Am I White/European?

[JQP4545]

Similar to AngloJew's post, I am just wondering if you would consider me to be white/European based on my Dodecad V3 results:


Population
East_European 10.67%
West_European 42.61%
Mediterranean 28.52%
Neo_African 0.90%
West_Asian 13.14%
South_Asian 0.10%
Northeast_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.36%
Northwest_African 1.27%
Palaeo_African 0.41%

So about 18% of my DNA is not "White". I know for a fact that the African comes from an African American ancestor.


Pct. Calc. Option 1

1 French 72.93%
2 Lithuanian 11.81%
3 Georgians 9.93%
4 North_African 2.33%
5 Morocco_Jews 1.49%
6 YRI 0.90%
7 Bedouin 0.61%
8 Libya 0.00%
9 Morocco_S 0.00%
10 Algeria 0.00%

Would you consider me to be more of a mixed race person, or a white person?

[Insuperable]

To be white your non-European components need to be near zero (perhaps up to 2% of SWA at max or we would be eliminating a lot of Europeans of being white) and West Asian in specific between 5 and 10%. That is just my definition and all conditions need to be satisfied.

Exception to me are Finns who are white regardless of minor EEurasian admixture.

[JQP4545]

Here's my K12b:

Population
Gedrosia 7.83%
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.94%
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 35.44%
North_European 35.26%
South_Asian 0.18%
East_African 0.12%
Southwest_Asian 1.82%
East_Asian 0.35%
Caucasus 16.93%
Sub_Saharan 1.12%

Not sure if Caucasus is considered White.

[Anglojew]

West Asians are Europids, just geographically isolated from Europe.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TR8ox_MI6qI/AAAAAAAADIE/zEcyBpR0U8s/s1600/MDS1600.png

[Anglojew]

Here's my K12b:

Population
Gedrosia 7.83%
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.94%
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 35.44%
North_European 35.26%
South_Asian 0.18%
East_African 0.12%
Southwest_Asian 1.82%
East_Asian 0.35%
Caucasus 16.93%
Sub_Saharan 1.12%

Not sure if Caucasus is considered White.

Caucasus is literally the source of the term Caucasian. Some modern Caucasus groups have high non-white admiture from various historical migrations (Turkic etc) but the original Caucasians were Europids.

[blogen]

West Asians are Europids, just geographically isolated from Europe.

The Europeans are West Asians, but isolated from West Asia.

[JQP4545]

Caucasus is literally the source of the term Caucasian. Some modern Caucasus groups have high non-white admiture from various historical migrations (Turkic etc) but the original Caucasians were Europids.

Wouldn't Caucasus be considered Middle Eastern? I thought North African, Southwest Asian, and West Asian would be considered "Middle Eastern" components. Not quite the same as white/European.

[StonyArabia]

Wouldn't Caucasus be considered Middle Eastern? I thought North African, Southwest Asian, and West Asian would be considered "Middle Eastern" components. Not quite the same as white/European.

North African peaks in Mozabites, SouthWest Asian in ethnic Bedouin/Saudis, and West Asian in Georgians. That said the Caucasus is not Middle Eastern or European it's a region on it's own that connects the two groups together.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

PIcture ??

[Anglojew]

Wouldn't Caucasus be considered Middle Eastern? I thought North African, Southwest Asian, and West Asian would be considered "Middle Eastern" components. Not quite the same as white/European.

1. Europids aren't confined to Europe. They just better retained racial purity there due to geopgraphic isolation. Baker says;


"It is not intended to convey the idea that Europids are confined to Europe, or that those who happen to live there are more significant than other members of the same race whose ancestral home is elsewhere"

http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/John-R.-Baker-Race.pdf

He is primarily referring to Near Eastern/Caucasus groups.

2. There's always been West Asian components in Europeans (since ancient times) anyway.

3. Both the Indo-European and Semitic peoples (who most people now think were originally one group anyway) had their ethnogenesis near to the Caucasus;

Indo-Euros;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/IE_expansion.png/400px-IE_expansion.png

Semites (Proto-Semitic);

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/proto-semitic1.png?w=500&h=283
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/proto-semitic-dating-and-locating-it/


Some even think IE's had a similar origin;

http://www.biblemysteries.com/images/migration.jpg

The point is that they all once had similar origins but evolved due to geographic isolation, environmental factors etc.

[Ultra]

The point is that they all once had similar origins but evolved due to geographic isolation, environmental factors etc.
"Evolved" aka picked up on different amounts and sources of archaic Hominid admixture in the places that they spread to. xD :naughty2:

[JQP4545]

1. Europids aren't confined to Europe. They just better retained racial purity there due to geopgraphic isolation. Baker says;

He is primarily referring to Near Eastern/Caucasus groups.

2. There's always been West Asian components in Europeans (since ancient times) anyway.

3. Both the Indo-European and Semitic peoples (who most people now think were originally one group anyway) had their ethnogenesis near to the Caucasus;

Indo-Euros;

Semites (Proto-Semitic);



Some even think IE's had a similar origin;


The point is that they all once had similar origins but evolved due to geographic isolation, environmental factors etc.

Yes, if we go back far enough we are all related, but I am talking about modern day populations. Europeans are separated by Mideasterners by thousands of years...I don't think most would consider people from Saudi Arabia or Iran to be white people.

[Maleficent]

Similar to AngloJew's post, I am just wondering if you would consider me to be white/European based on my Dodecad V3 results:

Population
East_European 10.67%
West_European 42.61%
Mediterranean 28.52%
Neo_African 0.90%
West_Asian 13.14%
South_Asian 0.10%
Northeast_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.36%
Northwest_African 1.27%
Palaeo_African 0.41%

Would you consider me to be more of a mixed race person, or a white person?

West Asian, Southwest Asian, and Northwest African is Caucasoid(albeit non-European) and I guess it's up to the individual person if you want to consider those components 'White'. The Mediterranean component can also be considered Non-European Caucasoid by some people since it's closely related to the Southwest Asian component.

Anyway, by my standards I will just add up your Non-Caucasoid of South Asian, Neo African, and Palaeo African and tell you that you are 1.41% Non-White/Caucasoid. And I sure as hell don't think 1.41% is enough to be considered 'mixed-race', lol. But I get the feeling you don't want to be anyway. I'm counting South Asian as Non-Caucasoid because it is Caucasoid with heavy Australoid alleles. It has even more Australoid alleles than the Northwest African Caucasoid component has West African alleles and even more Australoid alleles than the Southwest Asian Caucasoid component has East African alleles.

Also, what is your previously known ethnic background before testing?! I will assume mostly French based on the Oracle-X you posted. Although the Oracle-X isn't always completely accurate either.

PS: I don't know why I'm even responding to this topic since I subconsciously think it's a troll thread.

[Anglojew]

"Evolved" aka picked up on different amounts and sources of archaic Hominid admixture in the places that they spread to. xD :naughty2:

I think that pigmentation evolved. Other factors are the result of natural selection etc too.

Near Easterners (mainly North Africans) have some CM input too).

[Anglojew]

West Asian, Southwest Asian, and Northwest African is Caucasoid(albeit non-European) and I guess it's up to the individual person if you want to consider those components 'White'. The Mediterranean component can also be considered Non-European Caucasoid by some people since it's closely related to the Southwest Asian component.

Anyway, by my standards I will just add up your Non-Caucasoid of South Asian, Neo African, and Palaeo African and tell you that you are 1.41% Non-White/Caucasoid. And I sure as hell don't think 1.41% is enough to be considered 'mixed-race', lol. But I get the feeling you don't want to be anyway. I'm counting South Asian as Non-Caucasoid because it is Caucasoid with heavy Australoid alleles. It has even more Australoid alleles than the Northwest African Caucasoid component has West African alleles and even more Australoid alleles than the Southwest Asian Caucasoid component has East African alleles.

Also, what is your previously known ethnic background before testing?! I will assume mostly French based on the Oracle-X you posted. Although the Oracle-X isn't always completely accurate either.

PS: I don't know why I'm even responding to this topic since I subconsciously think it's a troll thread.

I agree. 98%+ means he's white in my books.

I don't think it's a troll thread?

[Insuperable]

West Asian, Southwest Asian, and Northwest African is Caucasoid(albeit non-European) and I guess it's up to the individual person if you want to consider those components 'White'. The Mediterranean component can also be considered Non-European Caucasoid by some people since it's closely related to the Southwest Asian component.

PS: I don't know why I'm even responding to this topic since I subconsciously think it's a troll thread.

Pure West Asian is something worth discussing since by genetic distance it is the closest to Northern European, but the problem is that many of the Caucasus populations have other influence, even South Asian, so it is hard to say what would person with 100% West Asian score look like.

I am also wondering what would person with 100% SWA look like since Bedouins and Saudis besides it score various African, but if I am not mistaken it still seems to be somewhat African shifted by itself.

Mediterranean component seems to be distanced from Asian and African components the same as Northern European so lets not put it in the same basket as SWA.

Northwest African is out of question. North Africans are mulatto looking and some score 100% North African.

But in the end I think none of them (WA, SWA and NA) can be considered as "white" and they represent what they represent.

[Anglojew]

Yes, if we go back far enough we are all related, but I am talking about modern day populations. Europeans are separated by Mideasterners by thousands of years...I don't think most would consider people from Saudi Arabia or Iran to be white people.

Only because they have modern non-white admixure. Saudi Arabia has had massive African input from the Slave Trade and links to Africa (from memory it's upto 17% now). Iran has likewise had Turkic, Indid and other admixture but the original Persians were an Indo-European (white) people.

[Maleficent]

1. Europids aren't confined to Europe. They just better retained racial purity there due to geopgraphic isolation. Baker says;

http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/John-R.-Baker-Race.pdf

He is primarily referring to Near Eastern/Caucasus groups.

2. There's always been West Asian components in Europeans (since ancient times) anyway.

3. Both the Indo-European and Semitic peoples (who most people now think were originally one group anyway) had their ethnogenesis near to the Caucasus;

Indo-Euros;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/IE_expansion.png/400px-IE_expansion.png

Semites (Proto-Semitic);

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/proto-semitic1.png?w=500&h=283
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/proto-semitic-dating-and-locating-it/

Some even think IE's had a similar origin;

http://www.biblemysteries.com/images/migration.jpg
.
The point is that they all once had similar origins but evolved due to geographic isolation, environmental factors etc.
Yes I think it's ironic how he singled out WA, SWA, and NWA as 'Non-White' but not South Asian. Probably some Indo-European vs Semitic/Hamitic thing. Lol.

Pure West Asian is something worth discussing since by genetic distance it is the closest to Northern European, but the problem is that many of the Caucasus populations have other influence even South Asian so it is hard to say what would person with 100% West Asian score look like.

I am also wondering what would person with 100% SWA look like since Bedouins and Saudis have besides it have score various African.

Mediterranean component seems to be distanced from Asian and African components the same as Northern European so lets not put it in the same basket as SWA.

Northwest African is out of question. North Africans are mulatto looking and some score 100% North African.

But in the end I think none of them (WA, SWA and NA) can be considered as "white" and they represent what they represent.
Not even the West Asian?! I think at least that one out of all the three.

I agree. 98%+ means he's white in my books.
When I add up my scores from Dodecad V3 minus Neo African, South Asian, Northeast Asian, Southeast Asian, East African, and Palaeo African I get 95.79%. I didn't score any Mongoloid anyway though(Northeast and Southeast Asian), if that means anything.

I don't think it's a troll thread?
Yes I do. Reminds me of that Tomato Tom guy.

[JQP4545]

PS: I don't know why I'm even responding to this topic since I subconsciously think it's a troll thread.

Not a troll thread and actually I kind of like the idea of being a mutt. I always considered myself a white person and I'm just curious what I would be considered since there are some components of my DNA that are not really "White". This includes 1.2 percent Sub-Saharan African that comes from an African American ancestor which was recently discovered.

[Anglojew]

Not a troll thread and actually I kind of like the idea of being a mutt. I always considered myself a white person and I'm just curious what I would be considered since there are some components of my DNA that are not really "White". This includes 1.2 percent Sub-Saharan African that comes from an African American ancestor which was recently discovered.

I guess you're just a regular white American with some Italian? ancestry?

[Ultra]

Not a troll thread and actually I kind of like the idea of being a mutt. I always considered myself a white person and I'm just curious what I would be considered since there are some components of my DNA that are not really "White". This includes 1.2 percent Sub-Saharan African that comes from an African American ancestor which was recently discovered.
Maybe it's Iberian or Italian/Sicilian SSA.

[JQP4545]

Yes I think it's ironic how he singled out WA, SWA, and NWA as 'Non-White' but not South Asian. Probably some Indo-European vs Semitic/Hamitic thing. Lol.


Yes I do. Reminds me of that Tomato Tom guy.

No, I didn't list South Asian because I don't have South Asian! Not a Semitic thing, and not a troll, I just genuinely curious to know what I would be considered. If you call me a troll, then why not AngloJew? He posed the exact same question. I listed West Asia because West Asian is in Asia, not Europe!

[JQP4545]

Maybe it's Iberian or Italian/Sicilian SSA.

No it is not, its African American.

[Ultra]

No it is not, its African American.
You know through family lore you have an Afro-American ancestor?

[JQP4545]

You know through family lore you have an Afro-American ancestor?

I know through photographs of Great Grandparents, its pretty obvious.

[Ultra]

I know through photographs of Great Grandparents, its pretty obvious.
Ok. Sweden's useless Prime Minister is 3% SSA btw. 1/16 Mulatto he is.

http://media.bergsblogg.se/2013/04/Fredrik-Reinfeldt.jpg

[JQP4545]

Its not like that. If you saw you would agree.

[Maleficent]

Not a troll thread and actually I kind of like the idea of being a mutt. I always considered myself a white person and I'm just curious what I would be considered since there are some components of my DNA that are not really "White". This includes 1.2 percent Sub-Saharan African that comes from an African American ancestor which was recently discovered.

No, I didn't list South Asian because I don't have South Asian! Not a Semitic thing, and not a troll, I just genuinely curious to know what I would be considered. If you call me a troll, then why not AngloJew? He posed the exact same question. I listed West Asia because West Asian is in Asia, not Europe!

Lol, I'm confused. Are you a racist troll, or a libtard, or both, or in between, or what.

Yes, you have 0.10% South Asian. You should move to Australia pronto to live with the pure Aborigines.....LOL JK.

AngloJew is a well-known troll but he does it 'intelligently'. It looks weird and fishy when a new guy does it.

West Asia is Asia not Europe, correct. But 'West Asia' is a synonym for Caucasus, and Caucasian comes from Caucasus, and so many people call themselves 'Caucasian' so.....What's the problem?

[JQP4545]

Lol, I'm confused. Are you a racist troll, or a libtard, or both, or in between, or what.

Yes, you have 0.10% South Asian. You should move to Australia pronto to live with the pure Aborigines.....LOL JK.

AngloJew is a well-known troll but he does it 'intelligently'. It looks weird and fishy when a new guy does it.

West Asia is Asia not Europe, correct. But 'West Asia' is a synonym for Caucasus, and Caucasian comes from Caucasus, and so many people call themselves 'Caucasian' so.....What's the problem?

There's not really a problem and I'm pretty surprised with some of the responses it seems like a simple question. "Yes I would consider you white/European" or "because of such and such component I would say you are such and such..."

[Ultra]

Its not like that. If you saw you would agree.
I didn't mean it like that, I just mean, he has similiar amounts of SSA like you do. :)

[Anglojew]

Lol, I'm confused. Are you a racist troll, or a libtard, or both, or in between, or what.

Yes, you have 0.10% South Asian. You should move to Australia pronto to live with the pure Aborigines.....LOL JK.

AngloJew is a well-known troll but he does it 'intelligently'. It looks weird and fishy when a new guy does it.

West Asia is Asia not Europe, correct. But 'West Asia' is a synonym for Caucasus, and Caucasian comes from Caucasus, and so many people call themselves 'Caucasian' so.....What's the problem?

Lol

[Maleficent]

Lol
Don't be bashful.

[jmls]

Please post your picture!

[JQP4545]

Please post your picture!

No pictures, plus of course I look European, my DNA is mostly European. Perhaps this was a dumb question, I just looked at AngloJew's post and thought I would ask a similar question. Just want to know if you would consider me to be mixed of some sort.

[Anglojew]

No pictures, plus of course I look European, my DNA is mostly European. Perhaps this was a dumb question, I just looked at AngloJew's post and thought I would ask a similar question. Just want to know if you would consider me to be mixed of some sort.

Not a dumb question.

What is your ethnic background? I'm guessing half-Irish and half-Italian or something similar?

[JQP4545]

Scottish, Irish, Greek, German, French, African-American...as far as i know

[LightHouse89]

Were your ancestors slave owners or southerners? They have African and native American DNA. [not all but many].

[JQP4545]

I have an African-American ancestor who escaped on the Underground Railroad.

[LightHouse89]

The Europeans are West Asians, but isolated from West Asia.

Caucasian = Asian :cool: now would Huns be classified as 'west asian'?

[LightHouse89]

I have an African-American ancestor who escaped on the Underground Railroad.

are you a yankee? [i.e northerner then?]

[JQP4545]

are you a yankee? [i.e northerner then?]

Yes, why?

[LightHouse89]

Yes, if we go back far enough we are all related, but I am talking about modern day populations. Europeans are separated by Mideasterners by thousands of years...I don't think most would consider people from Saudi Arabia or Iran to be white people.

some Iranians but arabs? In America they are all considered Caucasians. I think tis is a way for them to eliminate job place competition and promotion.

[LightHouse89]

Yes, why?

just wondering. I am a yankee too. Massachusetts or Taxachusetts as I like to call it.

[Chieftain]

I am one of those guys that follows the one drop rule and as a general I consider white/european only those people with 100% European ancestry, maybe to some lower extent of 2-4% non-european ancestry, but when it surpasses 15%, like in your case I think it's totally out of proportions, and no--west asian is not a white component, it may be a caucasian one, but being caucasian is a thing whilst being white is another, the US has a pretty screwed definition of whiteness and links it to being caucasian, it's not the same thing, as if we would consider west asian european/white than we are to consider people of turkish/arabic/middle eastern descent white, and that is not true.

A picture would help a lot, you know?

[JQP4545]

^^^Thanks one of the only straightforward answers.:thumb001:

[Black Wolf]

I am one of those guys that follows the one drop rule and as a general I consider white/european only those people with 100% European ancestry, maybe to some lower extent of 2-4% non-european ancestry, but when it surpasses 15%, like in your case I think it's totally out of proportions, and no--west asian is not a white component, it may be a caucasian one, but being caucasian is a thing whilst being white is another, the US has a pretty screwed definition of whiteness and links it to being caucasian, it's not the same thing, as if we would consider west asian european/white than we are to consider people of turkish/arabic/middle eastern descent white, and that is not true.

A picture would help a lot, you know?

I would like to see how Albanians score in these GEDmatch calculators.

[LightHouse89]

I am one of those guys that follows the one drop rule and as a general I consider white/european only those people with 100% European ancestry, maybe to some lower extent of 2-4% non-european ancestry, but when it surpasses 15%, like in your case I think it's totally out of proportions, and no--west asian is not a white component, it may be a caucasian one, but being caucasian is a thing whilst being white is another, the US has a pretty screwed definition of whiteness and links it to being caucasian, it's not the same thing, as if we would consider west asian european/white than we are to consider people of turkish/arabic/middle eastern descent white, and that is not true.

A picture would help a lot, you know?

I do not understand this myself. I am Scotch Irish/ Northern English border Reiver ancestry. Along with some Breton French and Wendish/Silesian German. [maybe that part of me could have some asain but it would be very small] My ancestors did not mix as much as other Americans did. This is going back into he 1700s so I do not really consider myself German or French.

[Anglojew]

I am one of those guys that follows the one drop rule and as a general I consider white/european only those people with 100% European ancestry, maybe to some lower extent of 2-4% non-european ancestry, but when it surpasses 15%, like in your case I think it's totally out of proportions, and no--west asian is not a white component, it may be a caucasian one, but being caucasian is a thing whilst being white is another, the US has a pretty screwed definition of whiteness and links it to being caucasian, it's not the same thing, as if we would consider west asian european/white than we are to consider people of turkish/arabic/middle eastern descent white, and that is not true.

A picture would help a lot, you know?

Have you done a genetic test?

Your definition of white is pretty narrow.

[Insuperable]

I am one of those guys that follows the one drop rule and as a general I consider white/european only those people with 100% European ancestry, maybe to some lower extent of 2-4% non-european ancestry, but when it surpasses 15%, like in your case I think it's totally out of proportions, and no--west asian is not a white component, it may be a caucasian one, but being caucasian is a thing whilst being white is another, the US has a pretty screwed definition of whiteness and links it to being caucasian, it's not the same thing, as if we would consider west asian european/white than we are to consider people of turkish/arabic/middle eastern descent white, and that is not true.

A picture would help a lot, you know?

Where the fuck do you see 15%? It is common to score 5-10% of West Asian in northern Europe (now guess what about Balkans!) with minor other, usually non-existent components (but very much existent in higher proportions in other parts of Europe, not to mention Balkans) if that is what confuses you. As the guy said he has French, Greek, Scottish, English ancestry and distant SSA.

edit:
But seeing what you are writing on a chatbox let me inform you ahead: The results he posted are not proper 23andme results, but from the Gedmatch. On 23andme he is probably 98% and maybe 1-2% African judging by his ancestry.

[Chieftain]

Where the fuck do you see 15%? It is common to score 5-10% of West Asian in northern Europe (now guess what about Balkans!) with minor other, usually non-existent components (but very much existent in higher proportions in other parts of Europe, not to mention Balkans) if that is what confuses you. As the guy said he has French, Greek, Scottish, English ancestry and distant SSA.

But seeing what you are writing on a chatbox let me inform you ahead: The results he posted are not proper 23andme results, but from the Gedmatch. On 23andme he is probably 98% and maybe 1-2% African judging by his ancestry.

Alright than, it was my missunderstanding, I thought it was the 23andme results, therefore I withdraw my statement.

[Mortimer]

most of your components you made in bold are close to noise, the only real component is westasian. and westasian is part of many european ethnicities, if it is not higher then your european score and you dont cluster in westasia but in europe you are european. you are definitely white/caucasian, westasia is also white/caucasian race biologically/genetically

[LightHouse89]

Alright than, it was my missunderstanding, I thought it was the 23andme results, therefore I withdraw my statement.

what makes 23 and me results better? excuse my ignorance please. I have yet to take a DNA test but will plan on it some time.

[Black Wolf]

You are white.

[blogen]

Caucasian = Asian :cool: now would Huns be classified as 'west asian'?

Huns = East Asian or East Eurasian

[armenianbodyhair]

No you are Purple and you will always be purple, embrace your purpleness, it is beautiful.

[Prince Carlo]

Only an american could have opened this thread xD

Seriously I wouldn't worry too much. The admin of this forum got way more exotic results than yours and he is an hardcore nordicist. Gotta believe it.

BTW your South West Asian and West Asian scores are similar to the ones found among North Europeans. Your SSA isn't tough.

[Fire Haired]

I definitely conclude that your ancestors are from modern Europe that your 100% modern European. But what is European? it is very complicated all Europeans have a variety of sources of their ancestry. You can see through your results you have some middle eastern ancestry like all modern Europeans. It is very complicated to figure out the very mixed origin of different Europeans.

There is common ancestry that can be defined as European(click here (http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2013/09/more-on-east-baltic-as-refuge-for.html)). It can be simplified as North European like ancestry that we know through pre historic(Mesolithic and Neolithic) European hunter gather samples may have originated in Palaeolithic Europe. I am no expert at all in autosomal DNA I just look at the results and what the experts say and try to make my own conclusion. It seems there was a major trace of this north European like ancestry in 24,000 year old Mal'ta Siberian based on his K=9 results(click here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?102904-Palaeloithic-Siberians-full-DNA-results)) along with even higher south Asian like ancestry, good amount of native American like ancestry, with a little Oceania and possibly Siberian or Na Dene like ancestry.

If this is true that this north European like ancestry is really Mesloithic-Palaeoithic European hunter gatherer ancestry. That means that east Baltic's, Finnish, and Sami are the most European. This is just my opinion that since the North European like ancestry is close to the distribution of light hair and eyes in Europe so the palest Europeans. It would make sense that the majority of white skin in Europe originated in the uniquely European ancestry.

Later migrations probably with farming brought the next most major source of European ancestry. Autosomal DNA results of Neolithic European farmers defend this idea. They brought which you can simplify as Meditreaen like ancestry with small amount of west Asian and southwest Asian. It seems they mainly replaced the hunter gatherer maternal lineages. Which doesn't make sense since hunter gatherers still have very close modern relatives. It is all very complicated and will take years and years to figure out or come close to figuring out.

Yes you are definitely European. But that equals a mix of so many different tribes, unique cultures, and genetically different probably only west Eurasian people(aka Caucasian) who have migrated(mostly originally from the mid east) and conquered different areas of Europe over 10,000's of years starting with the first who came over 50,000 years ago. It is the same story for pretty much everyone in the world we are all total muts. There is almost no one who can say they are 100% one ethnic group that traces their culturally origin and identity over even 10,000 years. We are a mix of different tribes throughout history who hated, fought, and mixed with each other.

[Zmey Gorynych]

almost 20% non-euro and that 3 something % nigga ... ouch, my condolences

[Insuperable]

almost 20% non-euro and that 3 something % nigga ... ouch, my condolences

He is not 20% non-Euro. He is around 98% Euro according to 23andme. He is of Scottish, English, French, Greek and distant SSA ancestry. The results he posted minus African score might be typical Central European score.

[LightHouse89]

I always pictured the Huns as being west asain for some reason. the mongols are def east Asian!

[JQP4545]

He is not 20% non-Euro. He is around 98% Euro according to 23andme. He is of Scottish, English, French, Greek and distant SSA ancestry. The results he posted minus African score might be typical Central European score.

It depends if you mean European in the Geographic or Genetic sense. Greeks are at least partially Middle Eastern/North African genetically.

[Insuperable]

It depends if you mean European in the Geographic or Genetic sense. Greeks are at least partially Middle Eastern/North African genetically.

They are not partially North African since their African scores are very low/non-existent (no different than what other Europeans get). I mean in the Geographic sense, but it can also mean in Genetic sense (depends from which view we are looking at it).

[JQP4545]

They are not partially North African since their African scores are very low/non-existent (no different than what other Europeans get). I mean in the Geographic sense, but it can also mean in Genetic sense (depends from which view we are looking at it).

Just look at a Y-haplogroup map of Europe:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-d0K7nmzSQjA/TjCJSnEtZ8I/AAAAAAAAAEI/dDiMr4Y7mjM/s1600/Haplogroups+in+Europe%252C+pie+map.PNG

See all the E3b? That is a North African haplogroup.

[JQP4545]

Plus according to Dr. McDonald I'm 18% Mideastern and that all comes from Greek.

[SilverKnight]

Yes you are man, don't listen to the idiots who say otherwise.

[Maleficent]

Caucasian = Asian :cool:
Yes, of course.

now would Huns be classified as 'west asian'?
No, never.

[Insuperable]

Just look at a Y-haplogroup map of Europe:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-d0K7nmzSQjA/TjCJSnEtZ8I/AAAAAAAAAEI/dDiMr4Y7mjM/s1600/Haplogroups+in+Europe%252C+pie+map.PNG

See all the E3b? That is a North African haplogroup.

We are talking about autosomal dna, your actual admixture, not haplogroup markers.

[JQP4545]

I think you can kind of just tell by looking at pictures of Mediterranean people. Cretans:

40487

[Maleficent]

Plus according to Dr. McDonald I'm 18% Mideastern and that all comes from Greek.

Interesting. What percent Greek are you according to your family tree? And could you also post your full McDonald results? And tell us your haplogroups, please.

[LightHouse89]

Yes, of course.

No, never.

well Caucasian is west Asian with Indo-European admixture [probably in some areas more indo European].

[JQP4545]

Interesting. What percent Greek are you according to your family tree? And could you also post your full McDonald results? And tell us your haplogroups, please.

25%, I2a2b, and :

Most likely fit is 81.1% (+- 4.9%) Europe (various subcontinents)

and 18.9% (+- 4.9%) Mideast (various subcontinents)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

English= 0.860 Palestinia= 0.140 or

Germany= 0.837 Palestinia= 0.163 or

English= 0.805 Sephardic= 0.195 or

English= 0.781 Jewish= 0.219 or

Germany= 0.774 Sephardic= 0.226 or

English= 0.873 Bedouin_No= 0.127 or

Germany= 0.747 Jewish= 0.253 or

English= 0.851 Druze= 0.149 or

Germany= 0.851 Bedouin_No= 0.149 or

Irish= 0.727 Sephardic= 0.273

[Maleficent]

25%, I2a2b, and :

Most likely fit is 81.1% (+- 4.9%) Europe (various subcontinents)

and 18.9% (+- 4.9%) Mideast (various subcontinents)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

English= 0.860 Palestinia= 0.140 or

Germany= 0.837 Palestinia= 0.163 or

English= 0.805 Sephardic= 0.195 or

English= 0.781 Jewish= 0.219 or

Germany= 0.774 Sephardic= 0.226 or

English= 0.873 Bedouin_No= 0.127 or

Germany= 0.747 Jewish= 0.253 or

English= 0.851 Druze= 0.149 or

Germany= 0.851 Bedouin_No= 0.149 or

Irish= 0.727 Sephardic= 0.273

Yes, all that Mideastern you are getting such as 'Jewish' 'Palestinian' 'Sephardic' and 'Druze' is definitely most likely from your Greek side since a lot of Greeks are technically mixed Mideastern/European.

Do you know what part of Greece your grandparent is from? And what ethnicity is your I2a2b grandparent? And your mtdna?

[JQP4545]

Yes, all that Mideastern you are getting such as 'Jewish' 'Palestinian' 'Sephardic' and 'Druze' is definitely most likely from your Greek side since a lot of Greeks are technically mixed Mideastern/European.

Do you know what part of Greece your grandparent is from? And what ethnicity is your I2a2b grandparent? And your mtdna?

Lol idk about all that, also African just got lumped in with Mideast.