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noman.rasheed
11-22-2013, 11:11 AM
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Special EU envoys Aleksander Kwasniewski (L) and Pat Cox react after voting in the parliament in Kiev on November 21, 2013. (AFP Photo /Sergei Supinsky)

The EU is utterly disappointed by Ukraine’s decision to align itself closer to Russia and halt its preparations for signing a European trade and political agreement, effectively killing the country’s chances to eventually join the bloc.

“This is a disappointment not just for the EU but, we believe, for the people of Ukraine,” EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said in a statement, claiming that “the most ambitious” pact ever offered to a partner by the EU would have helped the country’s economy.

The decree signed by Prime Minister Mykola Azarov's government on Thursday orders the “halt of the process of preparing the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the European Union.”

The decision was taken to “ensure the national security of Ukraine” and “restore lost trade volumes with the Russian Federation” after considering the effects on trade relations with Moscow, legislators said.

The announcement follows the Ukraine parliament's earlier refusal to pass a bill that would see jailed former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko allowed to travel abroad for treatment - a key EU deal condition for the summit that was scheduled in Vilnius, Lithuania, next week.

The EU envoy at the negotiations, Polish politician Aleksander Kwasniewski confirmed that the deal would not go ahead saying the “mission is over… The accord will not be signed in Vilnius.”

Many European politicians as well as Ukraine’s own opposition have already slammed Kiev’s decision.

Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt critcized Ukraine's decision, saying the “Ukraine government suddenly bows deeply to the Kremlin” due to the Russian “politics of brutal pressure.”

A “deep disappointment at the unilateral decision” was also voiced in a statement by EU envoys Aleksander Kwasniewski and Pat Cox, who highlighted what they call a “dramatically increased pressure from Russia in recent weeks.”

British Foreign Secretary William Hague in the meantime called the decision a “missed opportunity.”

Not all European countries however have adopted such a critical approach. It was Ukraine's “sovereign right to make a decision which path she wants to follow,” German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said.

Call to impeach
Arseniy Yatsenyuk Ukrainian opposition leader and a former Minister of Economy called for President Viktor Yanukovych to step down.

"If Yanukovych is refusing to sign the agreement, then it is not only state treason but also grounds for the impeachment of the president and the dismissal of the government," he said in parliament.

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Protesters hold Ukrainian and European Union flags during a rally to support euro integration in central Kiev November 21, 2013.(Reuters / Gleb Garanich)

People have begun flocking to Kiev’s main Square and home of 2004 Orange revolution. More than 1500 protesters with banners gathered in the Maidan Square to voice their opposition to the government’s decision, local media reports. A number of MPs have also joined the protests, more are planned for this Sunday.

Police have cordoned off the presidential administration building as more security vans arrive at the scene.

EU integration roadblock

After the cabinet's decision, EU Enlargement Commissioner Stefan Fuele canceled his Friday trip to Kiev. President Yanukovych, however said that despite “difficulties” his country would continue towards European integration.

Russia welcomed Ukraine's decision to actively develop ties with Moscow, while President Putin said he wasn't completely against Ukraine's association with EU. But trilateral trade talks should take place before Ukraine signs an agreement with the EU.

“We favor this, but only before decisions are made,” Putin said.“How can we hold negotiations on issues that have already been agreed upon and endorsed?”

EU’s ‘ridiculous’ plan to help Ukraine

The European Union has actually done nothing to convince Ukrainian leaders that association with the EU would actually solve its economic crisis, Polish MEP Pawel Zalewski stated earlier this week.

As compared to hundreds of billions of euros channeled into Greek, Spanish and Portuguese economies, he said, one billion offered to Ukraine was inadequate and "ridiculous."

"It's a ridiculous amount compared to the resources allocated to rescue Southern Europe from bankruptcy," Zalewski said as cited by PR Newswire.

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Reuters / Gleb Garanich

In the meantime Russia has the “means and willingness” to offer Ukraine what the EU lacks, which is money, Eric Kraus, Managing Director of Anyatta Capital told RT, adding that Ukraine is a “vital part” of the European Russian speaking space.

“The European Union offers a lot of words,” Kraus said, implying that nothing tangible would have come out of the deal. “What they don’t offer is what Ukraine needs – and that’s money.”

“Ukraine is not vital to the EU,” Kraus explained. “It is a part of a geopolitical chess game and they’d like to take that piece. They are not going to spend a lot of money for it. They can’t, they’ve got Portugal, they’ve got Greece. Pretty soon they’ve got France.”

The financial analyst also explained the economic problems that Ukraine is facing.

“The problem is that Ukraine is in dire economic strains. Ukraine is 2-6 months from default. They cannot raise money in markets. They are running a deficit. They are having a lot of trouble keeping the currency stable.”

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Eurasian Union:

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Baluarte
11-22-2013, 02:56 PM
Soundtrack to accompany this article:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLhC2eTkVCM

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:lol: Pitiful people.

rob211080
11-26-2013, 05:30 PM
Any bad news for the EU is good news for me...

Acquisitor
11-26-2013, 05:32 PM
Any bad news for the EU is good news for me...

this is not bad news for the EU at all.

Permafrost
11-26-2013, 05:53 PM
this is not bad news for the EU at all.

The way you speak about the EU, you make it sound as if it was a charity organization run by naive semi-imbeciles. Nothing could be further from the truth, if the leaders of the European Union expressed disappointment over Ukraine's decision, it's most certainly not because they are deeply troubled by the sad economic state of the country.

Take Greece for example, beyond the complete economic fiasco the country is also insolvent, however it would be naive to think that Germans won't reap the rewards of the Greek's indebtedness, albeit on a delayed schedule.

Unome
11-26-2013, 07:57 PM
EU just wants more lackeys and victims to pay for Greece's debts, ha!

Acquisitor
11-27-2013, 04:53 AM
The way you speak about the EU, you make it sound as if it was a charity organization run by naive semi-imbeciles. Nothing could be further from the truth, if the leaders of the European Union expressed disappointment over Ukraine's decision, it's most certainly not because they are deeply troubled by the sad economic state of the country.

Take Greece for example, beyond the complete economic fiasco the country is also insolvent, however it would be naive to think that Germans won't reap the rewards of the Greek's indebtedness, albeit on a delayed schedule.

Ukrainian membership would cost me money. while some old guy in Brussels gets a larger playground = so no thanks

that's my point.

alb0zfinest
11-27-2013, 05:00 AM
EU just wants more lackeys and victims to pay for Greece's debts, ha!

Ukraine can't pay its own debts, let alone the debts of Greece. Ukraine is dirt poor.

rashka
11-27-2013, 05:05 AM
I am happy for the path they chose to follow. If they joined EU the average to poor person will not see any wealth. I don't think the protestors really understand the situation.

Loki
11-27-2013, 05:08 AM
I am happy for the path they chose to follow. If they joined EU the average to poor person will not see any wealth. I don't think the protestors really understand the situation.

Exactly. The EU just wanted to take advantage of cheap Ukrainian labour.

A victory for Ukraine, and a victory for Russia!

Swearengen
11-27-2013, 05:10 AM
I'm glad. EU is not a solution.

alb0zfinest
11-27-2013, 05:13 AM
Exactly. The EU just wanted to take advantage of cheap Ukrainian labour.

A victory for Ukraine, and a victory for Russia!


Now the E.U probably expected some sort of benefit from this but Ukrainian labour isn't that benefit.
1) because joining the e.u for Ukraine would take another 20+ years. Its really behind. Even more behind that pretty much all balkan countries, and if its going to take Albania another 10 years to join the e.u and Albania not only started the talks in 2004, but if you calculate the 10 more years thats 17 years. And Albania is even ahead. you can only imagine for Ukraine. that's too long to wait for labor.
2)If they really wanted cheap labor there are plenty of sources where they could get that
3)Ukrainians aren't even that hard working. Even if they were expecting cheap labor they won't get too much of it from Ukraine.

Loki
11-27-2013, 05:16 AM
Now the E.U probably expected some sort of benefit from this but Ukrainian labour isn't that benefit.
1) because joining the e.u for Ukraine would take another 20+ years. Its really behind. Even more behind that pretty much all balkan countries, and if its going to take Albania another 10 years to join the e.u and Albania not only started the talks in 2004, but if you calculate the 10 more years thats 17 years. And Albania is even ahead. you can only imagine for Ukraine. that's too long to wait for labor.
2)If they really wanted cheap labor there are plenty of sources where they could get that
3)Ukrainians aren't even that hard working. Even if they were expecting cheap labor they won't get too much of it from Ukraine.

Alright, so everybody is happy now, right? :)

alb0zfinest
11-27-2013, 05:20 AM
Alright, so everybody is happy now, right? :)

Joining Russia isn't going to help Ukraine become any wealthier, so I guess the citizens of Ukraine aren't happy.
And you could point out to the corruption of the e.u, but the e.u also gives alot of money to countries to develop. Just like it did for Croatia as soon as it joined millions of dollars were given to Croatia to improve its infrastructure and other things.

Zmey Gorynych
11-27-2013, 05:22 AM
It was bound to happen, ukrainians were always an undecided bunch. In a couple of years they'll change their orientation once more.

Loki
11-27-2013, 05:24 AM
Joining Russia isn't going to help Ukraine become any wealthier, so I guess the citizens of Ukraine aren't happy.
And you could point out to the corruption of the e.u, but the e.u also gives alot of money to countries to develop. Just like it did for Croatia as soon as it joined millions of dollars were given to Croatia to improve its infrastructure and other things.

Ukraine knows best what is best for them. They think towards the future. And Russia is becoming stronger by the day. They made the right decision.

Lemon Kush
11-27-2013, 05:29 AM
Good idea. Hail mother Russia!

alb0zfinest
11-27-2013, 05:31 AM
Ukraine knows best what is best for them. They think towards the future. And Russia is becoming stronger by the day. They made the right decision.

Why do I feel this was more the orientation of the politicians, rather then the actual people?
Russia is still far behind. Russia needs to help itself, and then worry about maintaining a union filled with third world countries. Russia nor the other countries don't have money to make this union actually beneficial. But even as Russia grows, this does not guarantee that Ukraine will grow. If anything Russia will end up exploiting Ukraine.
And even if I were to grant you that Russia could eventually become wealthy, this would take many years. While Russia is trying to grow it can't contribute anything so Ukraine won't get anything. Ukraine is not benefiting from this and it will not in the future. At best Ukraine will remain similar to what it is now, and at worst they will be exploited by Russia. There literally is no benefit to this decision Ukraine made.

inactive_member
11-27-2013, 05:32 AM
Ukraine wasn't offered entrance to EU. The country was offered association agreement by the EU. EU has such agreements with many states already which include the following countries.

EU Agreements with third states


Albania SAA (2009)[5]
Algeria EMAA (2005)[6]
Chile AA (2005)[7]
Egypt EMAA (2004)[8]
Iceland EEA (1994)[9]
Israel EMAA (2000)[10]
Jordan EMAA (2002)[11]
Lebanon EMAA (2006)[12]
Liechtenstein EEA (1994)[9]
Macedonia[13] SAA (2004)[14]
Montenegro SAA (2010)[15]
Morocco EMAA (2000)[16]
Norway EEA (1994)[9]
Serbia SAA (2013)[17]
South Africa ATDC (2004)[18]
Syria CA (1978)[19]
Tunisia EMAA (1998)[20]
Turkey AA (1964),[21] the framework for a CU (1995)
ACP PA (2003)[22]

Undergoing ratification



Bosnia and Herzegovina SAA (signed in 2008, interim agreement in force)[23]
Syria EMAA (initialed in 2008,[24] but ratification has been stalled by the EU due to concerns over the Syrian Civil War[25])
Ukraine AA including a DCFTA (initialed in 2012,[26][27][28] but ratification has been stalled by the EU due to concerns over the rule of law in Ukraine[29][30][31])
Central America AA (signed in 2012)[32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Association_Agreement


Ukrainians were led to believe EU is the solution for many of the country's problems, while ordinary citizens didn't know the terms of the agreement. The agreement may had been offered to keep Ukraine away from the Russian sphere of influence, while having more political and economic influence over the Ukrainian government.

I don't believe socio-economic conditions would have been improved quickly unless Ukraine sorts outs the problems itself.

Hercus Monte
11-27-2013, 06:37 AM
What a great pity this is, this might be the final blow to political pluralism in Ukraine.

also, Ukraine wasn't offered membership in the EU, they were offered an association agreement Basically to help their economy a little bit.
That country is far from being able to join the EU.

Prisoner Of Ice
11-27-2013, 06:41 AM
Now the E.U probably expected some sort of benefit from this but Ukrainian labour isn't that benefit.

Of course it is. It's huge benefit to richest dozen people in EU who get cheaper labor.

Even bigger benefit is to screw over russia as much as possible. Ukraine is not too keen on any of its neighbors and can't say I blame them for not trusting them.

Loki
11-27-2013, 06:59 AM
Why do I feel this was more the orientation of the politicians, rather then the actual people?
Russia is still far behind. Russia needs to help itself, and then worry about maintaining a union filled with third world countries. Russia nor the other countries don't have money to make this union actually beneficial. But even as Russia grows, this does not guarantee that Ukraine will grow. If anything Russia will end up exploiting Ukraine.
And even if I were to grant you that Russia could eventually become wealthy, this would take many years. While Russia is trying to grow it can't contribute anything so Ukraine won't get anything. Ukraine is not benefiting from this and it will not in the future. At best Ukraine will remain similar to what it is now, and at worst they will be exploited by Russia. There literally is no benefit to this decision Ukraine made.

Ukraine will benefit from a partnership with Russia economically. Putin is a fair man.

Also, I believe in the people of Ukraine. They have great untapped potential.

Drawing-slim
11-27-2013, 07:06 AM
Indeed a good thing. Now Ukrainian hookers will remain at eastern lower prices, and they're smoking hot I hear. God bless.

Loki
11-27-2013, 10:16 AM
Indeed a good thing. Now Ukrainian hookers will remain at eastern lower prices, and they're smoking hot I hear. God bless.

You should buy yourself a Ukrainian wife. Ubermensch Gothic genes.

Prisoner Of Ice
11-27-2013, 10:18 AM
You should buy yourself a Ukrainian wife. Ubermensch Gothic genes.

They have stronk neanderthal dna, too.

Drawing-slim
11-27-2013, 11:27 AM
You should buy yourself a Ukrainian wife. Ubermensch Gothic genes.

Dude, 5 years ago I was living in California in a small town and I was dating this Ukrainian girl that was raised in California. She was stuck living with her parents after just graduating collage in a big house nearby where I was living.
Anyway, we weren't even dating but seeing each other for a month every day and night almost.
I think lust is stronger and more dangerous than love because never in my life have I fucked anyone so much and never anybody has driven me insane like that. I mean is fucking scary.
In one day alone I swear as god is my witness and she, I fucked her 7 times, meaning ejaculating 7 times, having sex all day pretty much:laugh:
She was 23 and I was older than her.. She drove me nuts sexually. Nothing like that has ever drove so sick mentally literally. It is not normal how I became for the while month and something. Than sadly very fucking sadly I had to leave the state for something very important to help my family in a different state.
I never hated my family so deeply for causing me this colossal depressing inconvience in my life.
Not that I was in love and neither was she with me, but we had this silently understood good thing sort of relationship that could have lasted at least longer no matter what.

I swear I hope she reads this someday because she is a online user a lot, she was just the thing that I could not get out of my head for awhile after, and simply sex was all in my mind. She was something else, Jesus lord if this is some sin forgive me but is sincere!! God damn!:laugh:

Loki
11-27-2013, 11:36 AM
In one day alone I swear as god is my witness and she, I fucked her 7 times, meaning ejaculating 7 times, having sex all day pretty much:laugh:
She was 23 and I was older than her.. She drove me nuts sexually.

Wow, sounds awesome :lol:

Windischer
11-27-2013, 07:44 PM
Exactly. The EU just wanted to take advantage of cheap Ukrainian labour.


cheap labour doesnt need trade agreements to be cheap, you know. and, by the way, eu doesnt employ cheap labour, but companies that need a lot of manual workers do.





Eurasian Union:

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what an amazing group of wealthy and successful states! :D :D

Hercus Monte
12-01-2013, 05:35 PM
just to remind Ukrainians that's we still support them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UmvUy1LziE

gregorius
12-01-2013, 05:42 PM
cheap labour doesnt need trade agreements to be cheap, you know. and, by the way, eu doesnt employ cheap labour, but companies that need a lot of manual workers do.





what an amazing group of wealthy and successful states! :D :D


Commonwealth of Independent States ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_States

Windischer
12-01-2013, 11:20 PM
Commonwealth of Independent States ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_States

independent :laugh:
certainly ;)

Loki
12-01-2013, 11:25 PM
independent :laugh:
certainly ;)

Salute Putin, your future master :)

Windischer
12-01-2013, 11:51 PM
Salute Putin, your future master :)

:joker000:

LightHouse89
12-01-2013, 11:55 PM
LOL Russia wins again.

Aunt Hilda
12-02-2013, 01:54 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhdQY7QZNQ4

Virtuous
12-02-2013, 02:01 PM
I've seen some Ukranian say that to them, not being closer to the West means staying under the influence of "corrupt" control from Russia, to them it equates to stay trapped in the USSR legacy. Honestly idk what to say regards that, however for Ukraine to join a corrupt European Union that is all shiny on the outside but a sinking liberal dictatoriat on the inside wouldn't be beneficial for them either. The EU only wants Ukraine to join in hopes to prolong the lifetime of the EU, leech from Ukraine to balance the crises in Europe and gain more power of course.

Aunt Hilda
12-02-2013, 02:03 PM
I've seen some Ukranian say that to them, not being closer to the West means staying under the influence of "corrupt" control from Russia, to them it equates to stay trapped in the USSR legacy. Honestly idk what to say regards that, however for Ukraine to join a corrupt European Union that is all shiny on the outside but a sinking liberal dictatoriat on the inside wouldn't be beneficial for them either. The EU only wants Ukraine to join in hopes to prolong the lifetime of the EU, leech from Ukraine to balance the crises in Europe and gain more power of course.

joining the EU is not and was not ever on the table for Ukraine. this is simply about an association agreements (like the EU-Japan association agreement)

Virtuous
12-02-2013, 02:08 PM
joining the EU is not and was not ever on the table for Ukraine. this is simply about an association agreements (like the EU-Japan association agreement)

Economic agreement I see. But still, EU giving some loan money to "boost" Ukraine like it did with Greece? Nah...

Aunt Hilda
12-02-2013, 02:10 PM
Economic agreement I see. But still, EU giving some loan money to "boost" Ukraine like it did with Greece? Nah...
no, the EU was not going to do that with ukraine.