Where The Fuck Can They Pass?

[ZephyrousMandaru]

http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.6485245.1385218010!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Lebanon and Cyprus.

[Black Wolf]

I approve of the title of this thread lol!

[Smeagol]

Levant I guess.

[Krampus]

I would've told you, but this thread title isn't very appropriate and it felt like you were shouting at me, so Im gonna have to ask you to nicely calm down. We can solve our problems with peace here.

[JohnSmith]

Iraq

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Levant ,Cyprus and Italy

[rashka]

Turkey, Lebanon

[armenianbodyhair]

Levant

[Also]

Turkey

[madridi4verrr]

Where The Fuck Can They Pass?
LMFAO

Yes Mainly in the levant ...

[Sikeliot]

In the US they'd be taken for Italian or Jewish in the northeast, and Mexican anywhere else.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

In the US they'd be taken for Italian or Jewish in the northeast, and Mexican anywhere else.

I don't think so, the younger man looks more Arab than anything. The older man maybe, but even that's a stretch.

[Sikeliot]

I don't think so, the younger man looks more Arab than anything. The older man maybe, but even that's a stretch.

Everyone with dark hair, eyes, and a tan is mistaken for Mexican in most of the US.

[Wadaad]

Guy on the right: Iraq
Guy on the left: Levant, Iraq, Turkey

[daniboy]

Turkey

[MINARDOWICZ]

Levant, Anatolia, and maybe some of the Caucasus. Chechnya anyone?

http://historicmysteries.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/JosephStalin12.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02542/tamerlan-wife_2542511b.jpg

[MINARDOWICZ]

In the US they'd be taken for Italian or Jewish in the northeast, and Mexican anywhere else.

LOL because even I am Mexican where I live. ;).

[JohnSmith]

I do not think they look European at all. Look Middle Eastern.

[daniboy]

LOL because even I am Mexican where I live. ;).

Really ??? Are you considered Mexican in the US ??? :eek:
Then if I go I'd be considered a pure amerindian.....

[JohnSmith]

I think it is pretty easy to tell Mexicans in the USA. They tend to be short and pretty dark. They most certainly do not look like Italians or Puerto Ricans.

[daniboy]

I think it is pretty easy to tell Mexicans in the USA. They tend to be short and pretty dark. They most certainly do not look like Italians or Puerto Ricans.

there are some white mexicans as well, but some of them, even being white, have amerindian / mestizo features.

[Sikeliot]

I think it is pretty easy to tell Mexicans in the USA. They tend to be short and pretty dark. They most certainly do not look like Italians or Puerto Ricans.

I've seen more whitish Mexicans who can pass as Italian than I have Puerto Ricans, actually. However, most of the recent waves of Mexicans have been from the south of the country and heavily Amerindian, so obviously they stand out. They stand out in the northeast US too since we have few Mexicans and few pure Amerindians.

[Stormer99]

I've seen more whitish Mexicans who can pass as Italian than I have Puerto Ricans, actually. However, most of the recent waves of Mexicans have been from the south of the country and heavily Amerindian, so obviously they stand out. They stand out in the northeast US too since we have few Mexicans and few pure Amerindians.

The Mexicans I have seen in the USA tend to look similar to this:
http://sirenalopez.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/mexico.jpg

[Sikeliot]

The Mexicans I have seen in the USA tend to look similar to this:
http://sirenalopez.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/mexico.jpg

And the Puerto Ricans like this.. but the men in the opening post would be taken for Mexican in much of the US.

http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/1200-0/photos/1339522995-inside-the-2012-puerto-rican-day-parade-in-new-york-city_1269990.jpg

[MINARDOWICZ]

Really ??? Are you considered Mexican in the US ??? :eek:
Then if I go I'd be considered a pure amerindian.....

I know... people can't usually tell.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Levant, Anatolia, and maybe some of the Caucasus. Chechnya anyone?

http://historicmysteries.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/JosephStalin12.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02542/tamerlan-wife_2542511b.jpg

No way, Chechens have Northern European admixture, they stand out like a motherfucker. These two are outliers.

[StonyArabia]

Anatolia, Levant, Iraq, Cyprus, Armenia, and Iran. They honestly look Assyrian/North Iraqi to me.

[LightHouse89]

http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.6485245.1385218010!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpg

Scotland. Maybe as Picts?

[LightHouse89]

No way, Chechens have Northern European admixture, they stand out like a motherfucker. These two are outliers.

his wife doesn't count she is Anglo-Saxon.

[LightHouse89]

those two arab men are too light complected to be compared to these pictures. Puerto Ricans are usually darker from their native ancestry.

[LightHouse89]

one of those men looks like the guy that owns the gas station down the street from my house? That man is Lebanese maybe a tad bit older than the gentlemen in the left picture.

[The.Mask]

Egypt

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Scotland. Maybe as Picts?

http://troll.me/images/xzibit-yo-dawg/yo-dawg-i-herd-you-liketrollingso-im-trolling-your-trolling-right-now-u-mad.jpg

[Maleficent]

Where the fuck can they pass?
http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.6485245.1385218010!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpg
In my grandparents home village.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

In my grandparents home village.

I don't think so, they're not dark enough.

[Elms]

In the US they'd be taken for Italian or Jewish in the northeast, and Mexican anywhere else.

Surprisingly, most people where I live would actually not think they were Mexican. Probably Greek, Italian, or other darker European group.

[Maleficent]

I don't think so, they're not dark enough.

Oh they sure are.:laugh:

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Oh they sure are.:laugh:

No sense in denying it, Palestinians are of Bedouin extraction. The truth will set yo ass free.

[Maleficent]

No sense in denying it, Palestinians are of Bedouin extraction. The truth will set yo ass free.
No sense in denying it, Palestinians are a nationality made up of many ethnoreligious communities; including Christians, Armenians, Muslims, Druze, Bedouins, Samaritans, and Mizrahim. The local Bedouins of the area being overused and highly exaggerated as what the majority of Palestinians are culturally, ethnically, genetically, etc. So much irony and propaganda with them being such a tiny minority.

[Equilibrium]

Regarding Turkey, only the old man can pass. The younger one just doesn't look Turkish to me.
And lol at the people stating specifically Anatolia instead of Turkey to sound smart, when that's only western half of Turkey.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

No sense in denying it, Palestinians are a nationality made up of many ethnoreligious communities; including Christians, Armenians, Muslims, Druze, Bedouins, Samaritans, and Mizrahim. The local Bedouins of the area being overused and highly exaggerated as what the majority of Palestinians are culturally, ethnically, genetically, etc. So much irony and propaganda with them being such a tiny minority.

I'm already aware of this, thanks for reminding me once again. Christians aren't an ethno-religious community, they're just a religious community. Ethno-religious communities are Jews, Zoroastrians, Mandaeans, Druze, Yazidis and Samaritans. Muslims and Christians are just religious, not ethno-religious. Also, sorry, but the data doesn't lie.

http://abload.de/img/mfa_eurogenes_mdszzo3v.png

Do you hear that? It's the sound of you shutting up, and accepting the truth.

[Stormer99]

I'm already aware of this, thanks for reminding me once again. Christians aren't an ethno-religious community, they're just a religious community. Ethno-religious communities are Jews, Zoroastrians, Mandaeans, Druze, Yazidis and Samaritans. Muslims and Christians are just religious, not ethno-religious. Also, sorry, but the data doesn't lie.

http://abload.de/img/mfa_eurogenes_mdszzo3v.png

Do you hear that? It's the sound of you shutting up, and accepting the truth.

Someone's whiteness in the region depends more on class than it does on religion. Upper class people are typically whiter than the people without money.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Someone's whiteness in the region depends more on class than it does on religion. Upper class people are typically whiter than the people without money.

I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for someone who actually gives a fuck about your opinion.

[Stormer99]

I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for someone who actually gives a fuck about your opinion.

Why is it the Lebanese politicians look whiter than the football team? Upper class people tend to be whiter. You think countries in the Middle East are homogenous when in many cases they are anything but. Individual DNA matters more than group DNA.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Regarding Turkey, only the old man can pass. The younger one just doesn't look Turkish to me.
And lol at the people stating specifically Anatolia instead of Turkey to sound smart, when that's only western half of Turkey.

It actually includes part of Syria too..

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Why is it the Lebanese politicians look whiter than the football team? Upper class people tend to be whiter. You think countries in the Middle East are homogenous when in many cases they are anything but. Individual DNA matters more than group DNA.

Why is that you're an idiot? Intelligent people tend to understand that science trumps intuition and mental gymnastics. You think everything is as obvious as it appears to be? Scientific data matters more than your uneducated ramblings.

[Stormer99]

Why is that you're an idiot? Intelligent people tend to understand that science trumps intuition and mental gymnastics. You think everything is as obvious as it appears to be? Scientific data matters more than your uneducated ramblings.
And I'm quite sure in science there are people who have different genetic results. You need to understand that not everyone within a given country has the same DNA. If this is the case, why do they have different admix results and different results on the oracles? If Fairy is half Bedouin her father would cluster with them instead of the Druze.

[StonyArabia]

No sense in denying it, Palestinians are of Bedouin extraction. The truth will set yo ass free.

I honestly don't think so. Even if they were that does not negate them being native to the land. Based on ethnic identifications Bedouins usually don't identify as Palestinians and see themselves culturally different. I know a Copt who clusters with Bedouins, what is the rational behind this.

[LightHouse89]

not that god forsaken map again! finally though I can actually open it to see it. Before it didn't work for whatever reason.

[Maleficent]

I'm already aware of this, thanks for reminding me once again. Christians aren't an ethno-religious community, they're just a religious community. Ethno-religious communities are Jews, Zoroastrians, Mandaeans, Druze, Yazidis and Samaritans. Muslims and Christians are just religious, not ethno-religious. Also, sorry, but the data doesn't lie.

http://abload.de/img/mfa_eurogenes_mdszzo3v.png

Do you hear that? It's the sound of you shutting up, and accepting the truth.First of all, you know very well Palestinians overlapping with Bedouins and Saudis on that plot you posted are more likely to be Muslim whereas Palestinians overlapping with Druze/Syrian/Lebanese_Christian are more likely to be Christians. But we all know you're obsessed with trolling me about this.....tsk tsk.

Second of all.....

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15

Average Lebanese Christian:
47.37 East Med
20.2 West Asian
12.34 Red Sea
11.81 West Med
2.78 Atlantic
1.49 North Sea
1.14 Baltic
0.87 Northeast African
0.77 South Asian
0.71 Eastern Euro
0.23 Southeast Asian
0.13 Oceanian
0.08 Siberian
0.05 Sub Saharan
0.03 Amerindian

Average Lebanese Muslim:
39.85 East Med
22.26 West Asian
10.71 Red Sea
9.76 West Med
5.62 Atlantic
2.43 North Sea
2.33 Northeast African
2.10 South Asian
2.09 Baltic
1.22 Eastern Euro
0.83 Sub Saharan
0.54 Oceanian
0.12 Southeast Asian
0.09 Siberian
0.04 Amerindian

^^Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Aqr2nbGXpVFndEN4eEJfUWQxTHp3Snh4M0FGNVJhLW c&usp=drive_web

Now compare that with this:

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x473/Wesamfa/ScreenShot2013-11-17at60407PM.png

http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad102/FaerieQueene517/bcc6da65d1db0360ae8366a2ad5e7835_zps5d85dc46.jpg?t =1384066853

^^Can you guess which one is the Palestinian Christian results and which one is the Palestinian Muslim results?!

I don't know about you, but I think it's pretty obvious. And if you can't figure it out, then you're stupider than I thought.:laugh:

The point is Levantine Muslim results will be pretty much the same regardless of whether they are Lebanese, Palestinian, or Syrian.

And vice versa, Levantine Christian results will also be pretty much the exact same regardless of whether they are Lebanese, Palestinian, or Syrian.

Looks like you just got owned.:laugh:

[LightHouse89]

turks are close to Europeans next to European jews. but not as close as the euro jews. that's what the map projects as what I read. irish cluster with orcadians soo cool. I didn't see Icelanders but they would be close to irish/scots because they took our women as slaves in Viking times.

[Roy]

They can't pass anywhere in Europe.

[SilverKnight]

white Dominican

[Hadouken]

syria

[StonyArabia]

white Dominican

I think I would be considered White there and I am brown as sugar imao.

[The King, I am]

levant

[Dynamo]

Afghanistan for sure

[Hadouken]

I think I would be considered White there and I am brown as sugar imao.

dont steal my name

i am brown shuga :cool:

[StonyArabia]

Lebanese Muslim should be divided into Lebanese Sunni and Lebanese Shia, the latter is Iranian shifted.

[Equilibrium]

It actually includes part of Syria too..

No, it doesn't. Anatolia is the peninsula surrounded by the Black Sea in the north and the Mediterranean in the south.

[StonyArabia]

No, it doesn't. Anatolia is the peninsula surrounded by the Black Sea in the north and the Mediterranean in the south.

Northern Syria is traditionally Mesopotamia, and the Southern areas are extension of Arabia this has been since ancient times. Even today the population is divided like this genetically. Southern Syrians often shorter, darker skinned, less hairy, and are gracile look like Bedouins from Arabia basically what they are. Northern Syrians are taller, lighter, and more hairy.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

First of all, you know very well Palestinians overlapping with Bedouins and Saudis on that plot you posted are more likely to be Muslim whereas Palestinians overlapping with Druze/Syrian/Lebanese_Christian are more likely to be Christians. But we all know you're obsessed with trolling me about this.....tsk tsk.

This isn't the only plot Palestinians are clustering with Bedouins. You want more? I'll be happy to oblige.

http://imageshack.us/a/img802/934/7shl.jpg

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/nature1.jpg

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/zenphoto/cache/razib-new-2/z3_595.png

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1491/spasingle.png




Second of all.....

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15

Average Lebanese Christian:
47.37 East Med
20.2 West Asian
12.34 Red Sea
11.81 West Med
2.78 Atlantic
1.49 North Sea
1.14 Baltic
0.87 Northeast African
0.77 South Asian
0.71 Eastern Euro
0.23 Southeast Asian
0.13 Oceanian
0.08 Siberian
0.05 Sub Saharan
0.03 Amerindian

Average Lebanese Muslim:
39.85 East Med
22.26 West Asian
10.71 Red Sea
9.76 East Med
5.62 Atlantic
2.43 North Sea
2.33 Northeast African
2.10 South Asian
2.09 Baltic
1.22 Eastern Euro
0.83 Sub Saharan
0.54 Oceanian
0.12 Southeast Asian
0.09 Siberian
0.04 Amerindian

^^Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Aqr2nbGXpVFndEN4eEJfUWQxTHp3Snh4M0FGNVJhLW c&usp=drive_web

Now compare that with this:

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x473/Wesamfa/ScreenShot2013-11-17at60407PM.png

http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad102/FaerieQueene517/bcc6da65d1db0360ae8366a2ad5e7835_zps5d85dc46.jpg?t =1384066853

^^Can you guess which one is the Palestinian Christian results and which one is the Palestinian Muslim results?!

I don't know about you, but I think it's pretty obvious. And if you can't figure it out, then you're stupider than I thought.:laugh:

The point is Levantine Muslim results will be pretty much the same regardless of whether they are Lebanese, Palestinian, or Syrian.

And vice versa, Levantine Christian results will also be pretty much the exact same regardless of whether they are Lebanese, Palestinian, or Syrian.

Looks like you just got owned.:laugh:

I love your selective favoritism when it comes to the EUtest calculator, and we all know why that is. But just to be an asshole, I'm going to make you look like an even bigger idiot than you already are.

Harappa World ADMIXTURE Proportions for Lebanese-Christian and Lebanese-Muslim

Lebanese-Christian

S-Indian 0%
Baloch 10%
Caucasian 49%
NE Euro 0%
SE Asian 0%
Siberian 0%
NE Asian 0%
Papuan 1%
American 0%
Beringian 1%
Mediterranean 12%
SW Asian 23%
San 1%
E African 2%
Pygmy 0%
W African 0%

Lebanese-Muslim

S-Indian 1%
Baloch 11%
Caucasian 45%
NE Euro 2%
SE Asian 0%
Siberian 1%
NE Asian 0%
Papuan 1%
American 1%
Beringian 1%
Mediterranean 11%
SW Asian 21%
San 1%
E African 3%
Pygmy 1%
W African 1%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuW3R0Ys-P4HdDhib1M5OE1wWENNb2haUFFWZzNBMEE#gid=0

Look at these monumental differences, Jesus on a motherfuckin' Christ. They're so divergent, that they could be used indiscriminately as candidates for computing my Oracle-4 results. God damn, who would a thunk it?

[Dynamo]

Where are they from?

[Elms]

So what were they?

[TBZA]

I think it is pretty easy to tell Mexicans in the USA. They tend to be short and pretty dark. They most certainly do not look like Italians or Puerto Ricans.

They are neither short nor dark but im assuming you live in the East Coast because of your mention of Italians and Puerto Ricans. The mexicans in that area come from Puebla and Oaxaca, they tend to be of Native American background which is why majority of the mexicans in that area speak an indigenous language. Now of course they wont look like Puerto Ricans, the Puerto Ricans in that area are mostly mulattoes and tercerones, they have obvious negroid features. The mexicans in the Southwest are pred. European on average being on the harnizo range which is around 60% European.

My girlfriend wasn't even seen as a Latina in the East Coast yet out here shes always seen as a mexican, in the East Coast she passed for an Italian jajajajaja

[JohnSmith]

They are neither short nor dark but im assuming you live in the East Coast because of your mention of Italians and Puerto Ricans. The mexicans in that area come from Puebla and Oaxaca, they tend to be of Native American background which is why majority of the mexicans in that area speak an indigenous language. Now of course they wont look like Puerto Ricans, the Puerto Ricans in that area are mostly mulattoes and tercerones, they have obvious negroid features. The mexicans in the Southwest are pred. European on average being on the harnizo range which is around 60% European.

My girlfriend wasn't even seen as a Latina in the East Coast yet out here shes always seen as a mexican, in the East Coast she passed for an Italian jajajajaja
I guess but there is one main thing that is different from an italian and Latino is italians without a doubt have larger noses. Hard to mistake Eva longoria for an italian like Joy Behar and vice versa. Latinos look more french in my opinion which makes sense since Spain shares a border with France.

[Rambo07]

They look Levantine but can pass in Med countries.

[MINARDOWICZ]

No, it doesn't. Anatolia is the peninsula surrounded by the Black Sea in the north and the Mediterranean in the south.

Look it up... Historically, it is Anatolian.

[Peikko]

Iraq

[Equilibrium]

Look it up... Historically, it is Anatolian.

Nigga, please. :picard1:

This is the traditional definition of Anatolia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/AnatolieLimits.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia

[Chrissi]

The older man looks pretty Turkish to me. The younger one seems to have more european admixture. Could be jewish would fit in from (non arabic) Middle East to Southeastern europe(Balkan) or Greece. Maybe even parts of Italy.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Nigga, please. :picard1:

This is the traditional definition of Anatolia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/AnatolieLimits.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia


ANDDD ur using Wiki? If I was... I would jsut quote the part about Northern Syria. :p

[Gaston]

Older one seems more pan-MENA while the younger is strictly West Asian-looking.

[LightHouse89]

They can't pass anywhere in Europe.

really? my neighbor is turk and he doesn't look middle easterner at all. maybe he is descended from immigrants who moved there and then hey moved here? IDK.

[jmls]

The older one would easily pass in europe

[Azalea]

Regarding Turkey, only the old man can pass. The younger one just doesn't look Turkish to me.
And lol at the people stating specifically Anatolia instead of Turkey to sound smart, when that's only western half of Turkey.

The guy could pass in Turkey easily? Don't see anything exotic about him. There are far more exotic types in Southern and Southeastern Turkey, and even other parts of Turkey for that matter.

[Azalea]

really? my neighbor is turk and he doesn't look middle easterner at all. maybe he is descended from immigrants who moved there and then hey moved here? IDK.
Roys was referring to the guys in the OP I believe?

[Equilibrium]

ANDDD ur using Wiki? If I was... I would jsut quote the part about Northern Syria. :p

What did you provide again? Ah, nothing.
Your initial objection was pointless to begin with, since I had only defined the west-east expanse of Anatolia, the latitude. And not the north-south expanse, the longitude.



Peninsula forming the western extremity of Asia. It is bounded by the Black Sea to the north, the Mediterranean Sea to the south, and the Aegean Sea to the west. Its eastern boundary is generally marked by the southeastern Taurus Mountains.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anatolia

[Dynamo]

Seriously where are they from????

[JohnSmith]

Do not look European to me they have to be from the near east

[LightHouse89]

so basically western turks on the border to Greece would appear more European than turks living in eastern Turkey. Makes sense. Maybe that is where my neighbor is from? Never really asked him but will out of curiosity.

[JohnSmith]

so basically western turks on the border to Greece would appear more European than turks living in eastern Turkey. Makes sense. Maybe that is where my neighbor is from? Never really asked him but will out of curiosity.

I would think so some western turks are prob ethnic Greeks going back to Byzantine times.