Turkey and Albanians - We should stop being their partner ?

[Beratt]

In my opinion we shouldnt be more focused in relations with turks than the west itself. They are main factor that Albanians have lost so much. I think its time discontinue the relations with them. They are so dirty.

[alb0zfinest]

Edit.

[Shah-Jehan]

Posting what I said before


Turks worked their asses off to liberate Kosovo, regular Turks were very angry at the Serbian oppression of Albanians...Sad that many perceive Turks as dirty, evil and subhuman but, it is your opinion and choice but, at least think of the feelings in the hearts of these people when they hear this...

[Hurrem sultana]

LOL saythat when they open your schools ,send money,invest

[alb0zfinest]

LOL saythat when they open your schools ,send money,invest

They invest in Mosques, and on a few other things they would like their name and the Turkish flag in........

[Anatolian Eagle]

I'm missing some point here, which I've noticed for the second time stated by an Albanian (perhaps both of you were the same user). Turkey herself is an ally of the West whether politically or militarily like Albania particularly under NATO, so partnership with Turkey or with the West it's the very same thing. So your "opinion" doesn't make any sense, but it's obviously stated for trolling purposes anyways.

[Hayalet]

I kinda agree with the OP. The Turkish foreign policy has always been indiscriminately pro-Muslim, especially in the Balkans. Turkey should rather support only the Turkish minorities by default, others are a matter of diplomacy.

[Gjergj Dukagjini]

I think the relations between Albanians and Turks are fairly asymmetric. While in Kosova, Turks who hardly comprise 0.01% of whole populations have rights beyond their numbers (schools, parties, parliamentary seats etc), Albanians in Turkey are a sizable ethnic groups whose numbers reach millions. Albanians in Turkey are deprived of every right, have no schools in their native language, no cultural centers, no political representation, etc. It would not be amiss to draw a parallel between Albanians in Greece and those of Turkey. Both of them are forcibly assimilated. So if turks are sincere in their dedication for having true relations with us, then they should improve the status of Albanians within Turkey!

[Eckhart]

I think the relations between Albanians and Turks are fairly asymmetric. While in Kosova, Turks who hardly comprise 0.01% of whole populations have rights beyond their numbers (schools, parties, parliamentary seats etc), Albanians in Turkey are a sizable ethnic groups whose numbers reach millions. Albanians in Turkey are deprived of every right, have no schools in their native language, no cultural centers, no political representation, etc. It would not be amiss to draw a parallel between Albanians in Greece and those of Turkey. Both of them are forcibly assimilated. So if turks are sincere in their dedication for having true relations with us, then they should improve the status of Albanians within Turkey!

+1

[HellLander87]

I kinda agree with the OP. The Turkish foreign policy has always been indiscriminately pro-Muslim, especially in the Balkans. Turkey should rather support only the Turkish minorities by default, others are a matter of diplomacy.
Probably Turks consider Albanians a Turkish minority in the Balkans.

[cally]

In my opinion we shouldnt be more focused in relations with turks than the west itself. They are main factor that Albanians have lost so much. I think its time discontinue the relations with them. They are so dirty.

What a stupid post

[KrashNick]

Probably Turks consider Albanians a Turkish minority in the Balkans.

Probably Turks consider Greeks a Gypsy minority in the Balkan :) .

[RandoBloom]

Probably Turks consider Greeks a Gypsy minority in the Balkan :) .

You are correct.
All Turks dont want to mix with Greeks because they consider Greeks and Gypsies one and the same.

[KrashNick]

You are correct.
All Turks dont want to mix with Greeks because they consider Greeks and Gypsies one and the same.

lol

It's funny how Greeks use "Turks" as insult while Turkey can destroy their country for 1 week .

[KrashNick]

Look what we got here " The Malaka fag " .

[Turkophagos]

Look what we got here " The Malaka fag " .

sup Turko

[KrashNick]

sup Turko

sup Gypo :D

[Krampus]

Probably Turks consider Albanians a Turkish minority in the Balkans.

In the rest of Europe you Greeks are known as Orthodox Turks.

[StonyArabia]

I honestly thin Albanians are better without them.

[Krampus]

I fucking hate neo-Ottoman Turks. I also fucking hate Turkey in general.

[Turkophagos]

I honestly thin Albanians are better without them.

Without fat Albanians?

[StonyArabia]

Without fat Albanians?

It's typo my Hellenic friend.

[Turkophagos]

It's typo my Hellenic friend.



No shit! ;)

[Krampus]

Without fat Albanians?

I just don't understand. Why are you making fun of your cousins? You and Turkey are similar in every way.

[Kiyant]

Makes sense. Blame me for some gay-ass Muslim radicals being Pro-Ottoman. What did you expect? These radicals are hated among society.

"EVERY ALBANIAN WHO DISAGREES WITH MY OPINION ABOUT TURKEY IS A RADICAL ISLAMIST AND IS GAY" geez man

[Krampus]

Don't worry Greeks, you don't have yourself to blame for your ancestors having amnesia and letting in Turks who bred modern day Greeks.

[Krampus]

"EVERY ALBANIAN WHO DISAGREES WITH MY OPINION ABOUT TURKEY IS A RADICAL ISLAMIST AND IS GAY" geez man

It's true. They fucked us over for 500 years. No Albanian who is Muslim likes them, unless they are an Islamist.

[Kiyant]

It's true. They fucked us over for 500 years. No Albanian who is Muslim likes them, unless they are an Islamist.

Not true they know what happened but today they are more friendly to us or do you guys still live in the past?

[Krampus]

Not true they know what happened but today they are more friendly to us or do you guys still live in the past?

Albanians don't let go of things in the matter of 102 years.

[Kiyant]

Albanians don't let go of things in the matter of 102 years.

You sound like a serb when you write like that........

[Krampus]

You sound like a serb when you write like that........

I am Serbian.

[HellLander87]

You are correct.
All Turks dont want to mix with Greeks because they consider Greeks and Gypsies one and the same.
Glup, the turks bought some of your ancestors for a cheap price 500 years ago you don't have to still lick their ass.
If you have a hereditary trait to sell yourselves, sell me your sister.
So funny to see you copying epirot's style.It suits you,you are both dumb as fuck.

[HellLander87]

Probably Turks consider Greeks a Gypsy minority in the Balkan :) .
No gypsies here siptare,lots of turkogypsies in albania though.Being muslims for so many years you intermarried with lots of turks so I understand your support for the nation of some of your ancestors.

[KrashNick]

No gypsies here siptare,lots of turkogypsies in albania though.Being muslims for so many years you intermarried with lots of turks so I understand your support for the nation of some of your ancestors.

Why so mad malaka and the funny thing is is that your DNA is E-V13 , check the E-V13 map if you know what i mean :) . Oh the irony

[HellLander87]

Why so mad malaka and the funny thing is is that your DNA is E-V13 , check the E-V13 map if you know what i mean :) . Oh the irony
The irony is that genetically at least both autosomally and haplogroup wise you are not different from most Greeks(what you called gypsy minority:laugh:).
On the other hand we were never muzzies,no isolated turkish ancestors in our family trees here.

[KrashNick]

The irony is that genetically at least both autosomally and haplogroup wise you are not different from most Greeks(what you called gypsy minority:laugh:).
On the other hand we were never muzzies,no isolated turkish ancestors in our family trees here.

I feel more insulted calling me Greek than Gypsy :laugh:

Should I remind you which people mostly mixed with Ottomans :rolleyes:

[La Misse]

We should keep being partners, im not saying that Albanians should forget all Ottomans have done to us. No, we should always remember that they forced many of us to change the religion and in the whole balkans they created problems. But in the modern history we should be friends. This is a good example that two different nations one in Europe and the other in Asia, one with many religions and the other with Islam, that once used to be enemies now are partners on trying to build a better future.
I think this is simply beautiful.

[HellLander87]

I feel more insulted calling me Greek than Gypsy :laugh:

Should I remind you which people mostly mixed with Ottomans :rolleyes:
Albos and Bosniaks.
The only turkish blood Balkan Christians had was that on their clothes after slaughtering Turks.

[KrashNick]

Albos and Bosniaks.
The only turkish blood Balkan Christians had was that on their clothes after slaughtering Turks.

Yeah especially Greeks that's why Aravanites helped you because your people are "warriors" .

btw your gypo brother thumbed your comment , its nice to see that :D .

[HellLander87]

Yeah especially Greeks that's why Aravanites helped you because your people are "warriors" .

btw your gypo brother thumbed your comment , its nice to see that :D .
Arvanites joined the slaughter-a-muslim fest together with all Christians of the region.I will remind you that most muslims slaughtered during their unfortunate service in the ottoman army were muslim albanians aka Turkalbanoi back then.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Why so mad malaka and the funny thing is is that your DNA is E-V13 , check the E-V13 map if you know what i mean :) . Oh the irony

According to ydna.eu

E1b1b in Europe by country/region:


Kossovo: 47.5%
Central Greece: 29.5%
Albania: 27.5%
Montenegro: 27%
South Greece:27%
Bulgaria:23.5%
Bosnian Serbs:22.5%
Aegean Islands:22%
Galicia:22%
Makedonishtan:21.5%
Greece:21%
North Greece:20.5%
Ile de France:20.5%
Sicily:20.5%
Cyprus:20%
South Italy:18.5%
Extremadura:18.5%
Serbia:18%
Castille & Leon:16%
Romania:15%

e.t.c. e.t.c.

[KrashNick]

According to ydna.eu

E1b1b in Europe by country/region:

You mean this ?

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1388/26/1388265139957.png

[Petros Houhoulis]

You mean this ?

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1388/26/1388265139957.png

The above is wrong because it doesn't show the E1b1b in Italy, Albania, Spain, Turkey and much of the Balkans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#Distribution


So far, three individuals who are in E-V68 but not E-M78 have been reported in Sardinia, by Trombetta et al. (2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFTrombettaCrucianiSellittoScozzari2010)) , when announcing the discovery of V68.E-M78 is widely distributed in North Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa), Horn of Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_of_Africa), West Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Asia) (stretching as far as Southern Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Asia)), and Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#cite_note-Cruciani2007-1)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#cite_note-Cruciani2006-5)
The most basal and rare E-M78* paragroup has been found at its highest frequencies in Egyptians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptians) from the Gurna Oasis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurna) (5.88%), with lower frequencies also observed in Moroccan Arabs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco), Sardinians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinia), the Balkans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans), and Andalusians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andalusia) from Huelva (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huelva).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#cite_note-Cruciani2007-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#cite_note-Battaglia2008-2)[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#cite_note-Ambrosio2010-9)
The highest frequencies of all the defined E-M78 sub-clades is found amongst populations in the large area stretching from northern Kenya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya) (amongst the Borana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borana_Oromo_people) people) to Southern Egypt, and including all of the Horn of Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_of_Africa) and most of Sudan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#cite_note-Cruciani2004-4)
Outside of the areas where it is most common in Africa (North Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa) and the Horn of Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_of_Africa)), E-V68 is also observed in other parts of Africa, in lower frequencies, for example in Guinea-Bissau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea-Bissau), where its presence has been tentatively attributed to trans-Saharan movements of people from North Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa).[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#cite_note-Rosa-10)
The European distribution, dominated by E-V13 except in Iberia, has a frequency peak centered in parts of the Balkans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans) (approximately 20% in southern areas; up to almost 50% is some particular places and populations[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#cite_note-Semino2004-11)[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#cite_note-Pericic2005-12)) and Italy and declining frequencies evident toward western, central, and northeastern Europe. This is discussed in more detail below.



Region
Population
n
E-M78
E-M78*
E-V12*
E-V13
E-V22
E-V32
E-V65
Study


Europe
    Kosovar Albanians
114
45.60
1.75

43.85



Peričic et al. (2005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFPeri.C4.8Dic_et_al.2005))


Europe
    Makedonishtani Arumanians
57
29.82


29.82



Peričic et al. (2005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFPeri.C4.8Dic_et_al.2005))


Europe
    Serbians
113
20.35
1.77

18.58



Peričic et al. (2005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFPeri.C4.8Dic_et_al.2005))


Europe
    Croatians
108
5.60


5.60



Peričic et al. (2005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFPeri.C4.8Dic_et_al.2005))


Europe
    Crete
193
6.7


6.7



King et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFKing_et_al.2008))


Europe
    Greeks from Nea Nikomedeia
57
15.8
1.8

14.0



King et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFKing_et_al.2008))


Europe
    Greeks from Sesklo/Dimini
57
38.6
3.5

35.1



King et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFKing_et_al.2008))


Europe
    Greeks from Lerna/Franchthi
57
35.1


35.1



King et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFKing_et_al.2008))


Europe
    Sicilians
236
11.43

1.27
5.93
3.81

0.42
Di Gaetano et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFDi_Gaetano_et_al.2008))


Europe
    Huelva Andalusians
167
6.59

1.20
4.19

0.60
0.60
Ambrosio et al. (2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFAmbrosio_et_al.2010))


Europe
    Sicilians
153
13.07

0.65
7.19
4.58

0.65
Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Northern Portuguese
50
4


4



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Southern Portuguese
49
4.08


4.08



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Pasiegos from Cantabria
56







Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Asturians
90
10


5.56
4.44


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Southern Spaniards
62
3.23



3.23


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Spanish Basques
55







Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    French Basques
16
6.25

6.25




Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    French
225
4.44

0.44
4



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    English
28







Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Danish
35
2.86


2.86



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Germans
77
3.9


3.9



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Polish
40
2.5


2.5



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Czechs
268
4.85


4.85



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Slovaks
24
8.33


8.33



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Slovenians
104
2.88


2.88



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Northern Italians
94
7.45


5.32
2.13


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Central Italians
356
7.87

0.28
5.34
1.97

0.28
Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Southern Italians
141
10.64

0.71
8.51
1.42


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Sardinians
374
3.48
0.27
0.27
1.07
0.8

1.07
Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Estonians
74
4.05


4.05



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Belarusians
40







Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Northern Russians
82
3.66


3.66



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Southern Russians
92
2.17


2.17



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Ukrainians
11
9.09


9.09



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Moldovians
77
7.79


7.79



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Hungarians
106
9.43


9.43



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Rumanians
265
7.55


7.17
0.38


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Makedonishtanis
99
18.18


17.17
1.01


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Continental Greeks
147
19.05


17.69
0.68

0.68
Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Greeks from Crete
215
6.51

0.93
5.58



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Greeks from Aegean Islands
71
16.9


15.49
1.41


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Bulgarians
204
16.67

0.49
16.18



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Europe
    Albanians
96
32.29


32.29



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northwestern Africa
    Moroccan Arabs
55
40
3.64


7.27

29.09
Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northwestern Africa
    Asni Berbers
54
3.7



3.7


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northwestern Africa
    Bouhria Berbers
67
1.49


1.49



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northwestern Africa
    Moyen Atlas Berbers
69
10.14





10.14
Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northwestern Africa
    Marrakech Berbers
29
6.9

3.45

3.45


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northwestern Africa
    Moroccan Jews
50
12

2
2
8


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northwestern Africa
    Mozabite Berbers
20







Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northeastern Africa
    Libyan Jews
25
8


4


4
Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northeastern Africa
    Libyan Arabs
10
20





20
Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northeastern Africa
    Northern Egyptians (Delta)
72
23.61

5.56
1.39
13.89
2.78

Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northeastern Africa
    Egyptian Berbers
93
6.45

2.15



4.3
Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northeastern Africa
    Egyptians from Bahari
41
41.46

14.63
2.44
21.95

2.44
Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northeastern Africa
    Egyptians from Gurna Oasis
34
17.65
5.88
8.82


2.94

Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Northeastern Africa
    Southern Egyptians
79
50.63

44.3
1.27
3.8

1.27
Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Eastern Africa
    Dinka
26
15.38

3.85

11.54


Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Shilluk
15
13.33



13.33


Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Nuer
12
16.67

16.67




Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Borgu
26
15.38



3.85
11.54

Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Nuba
28
25
3.57
3.57

7.14
10.71

Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Masalit
32
71.88
3.13


15.63
53.13

Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Fur
32
59.38



18.75
40.63

Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Nubians
39
15.38

12.82


2.56

Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Fulani
26
34.62



30.77
3.85

Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Hausa
32
3.13




3.13

Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Copts
33
15.15

15.15




Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Beja
42
35.71

4.76


30.95

Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Gaalien
50
18.00

6.00

6.00
6.00

Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Meseria
28
14.29

3.57


10.71

Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Arakien
24
16.67

8.33

4.17
4.17

Hassan et al. (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFHassanUnderhillCavalli-SforzaIbrahim2008))


Eastern Africa
    Amhara
34
8.82




8.82

Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Eastern Africa
    Ethiopian Jews
22
9.09




9.09

Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Eastern Africa
    Mixed Ethiopians
12
33.33



25
8.33

Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Eastern Africa
    Borana/Oromo (Kenya/Ethiopia)
32
40.63




40.63

Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Eastern Africa
    Wolayta
12
16.67



8.33
8.33

Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Eastern Africa
    Somalia
23
52.17



4.35
47.83

Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Eastern Africa
    Nilotic from Kenya
18
11.11



11.11


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Eastern Africa
    Bantu from Kenya
28
3.57




3.57

Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Eastern Africa
    Western Africa
123
0.81

0.81




Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Eastern Africa
    Central Africa
150
0.67

0.67




Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Eastern Africa
    Southern Afric
105







Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Istanbul Turkish
35
8.57


2.86
5.71


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Southwestern Turkish
40
2.5


2.5



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Northeastern Turkish
41







Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Southeastern Turkish
24
4.17


4.17



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Erzurum Turkish
25
4

4




Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Central Anatolian
61
6.56

1.64
4.92



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Turkish Cypriots
46
13.04


10.87
2.17


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Sephardi Turkish
19







Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Palestinians
29
10.34


3.45
6.9


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Druze Arabs
28
10.71


10.71



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Bedouin
28
3.57



3.57


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Syrians
100
2



2


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Kurds from Iraq
20







Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Arabs from United Arab Emirates
40
2.5



2.5


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Omanite
106
0.94



0.94


Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Adygei
18







Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


Western Asia
    Azeri
97
2.06


2.06



Cruciani et al. (2007 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68#CITEREFCrucianiLa_FrattaTrombettaSantolamazza2 007))


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/HgE1b1b1a2.png

The No 21 is an E1b1b Gheg, the No 25 is an R1b Tosk...
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2011/7/15/6b3ef9f1-9a53-4f28-a1bf-cd51e26186ce.jpeg

[Mehmet]

Arvanites joined the slaughter-a-muslim fest together with all Christians of the region.I will remind you that most muslims slaughtered during their unfortunate service in the ottoman army were muslim albanians aka Turkalbanoi back then.

And Muslims (Turks, Ottoman army to be more precise) offered themselves the Rum island of Chios.
It was violent.


The Chios Massacre refers to the slaughter of tens of thousands of Greeks on the island of Chios by Ottoman troops during the Greek War of Independence in 1822. Greeks from neighbouring islands arrived on Chios and encouraged the Chians to join the struggle for independence. In response, Ottoman troops landed on the island and slaughtered thousands. The massacre provoked international outrage, and led to an increasing support for the Greek cause worldwide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chios_Massacre

[HellLander87]

And Muslims (Turks, Ottoman army to be more precise) offered themselves the Rum island of Chios.
It was violent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chios_Massacre
[/I]

You are talking about this:
More about chios or how muslims came to be

In addition to setting fires, the troops were ordered to kill all infants under three years old, all males 12 years and older, and all females 40 and older, except those willing to convert to Islam.

These were you great great granddaddies and grannies you sick pussy idiot turk.

Now go offer yourself your father's dick in your ass and after that go fuck your mother, violently to be precise.

When you finish that go check the See also section at the page you posted. There is a section about Turks in hell.

[Kiyant]

Go offer yourself your father's dick in your ass and after that go fuck your mother violently.

You are greek so i think you would like it much more

[Kiyant]

Also since when was this Thread about Greeks?
Stay on topic

[HellLander87]

You are greek so i think you would like it much more

Go fuck yourself 3/4 Turk,1/8 Pontic Greek,1/8 Jew

[Kiyant]

Go fuck yourself 3/4 Turk,1/8 Pontic Greek,1/8 Jew

Since when did Türkmen became Turkish and since when did Karaims simply become jews?

[HellLander87]

Since when did Türkmen became Turkish and since when did Karaims simply become jews?
Better wonder why you thumbed up a post about the slaughtering of defenseless women and children.

[Arianiti]

The only turkish blood Balkan Christians had was that on their clothes after slaughtering Turks.

Tell us how many Turks, sorry Ottomans did you Greeks slaughter actually, if any? :p Give us an approximate figure at least.

P.S. and stop using term Turks for Ottoman period

[Krampus]

Tell us how many Turks, sorry Ottomans did you Greeks slaughter actually, if any? :p Give us an approximate figure at least.

P.S. and stop using term Turks for Ottoman period

Turks are Ottomans. Each Turk takes pride in being Ottoman presently, so fuck them.

[Kalimtari]

nese perfitojm prej tyne, pse me i ndalua marrveshjet? Kishim me ken idiota me punua kunder vetinteresit

[justme]

We cannot forget what the ottomans did... But we should be friends with modern Turkey, even best friends if we can. It's forgive but never forget. Better Turks then Greeks. And no it's not only the "Islamist" Albanians who are pro Turkish, every moderate Albanian with brains what to build better relationships with other countries for their own.

[InperatoreBT]

I've nothing against the Turks. I think it is okay to have them as your partner, they're helping you and all. They're yours strongest allies in Balkans. Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.