Why does Iran deny the Holocaust?

[Behrouz]

Thanks to our new president Rouhani this is not the case anymore. But we, as people of Iran, are still against using the Holocaust to justify the behaviour of Israel in the region. This has nothing to do with Yahoods and cannot be interpreted as anti–semitic. To understand our real stance toward issue of the Holocaust, it is worth reading this post.

Three questions about the Holocaust:

1) In the Second World War, over 60 million people (at least 50 million civilians) lost their lifes. They were all human beings. Why is it that only Yahoods have become so prominent and important?

2) If Holocaust happened, and if it is a historical evant, then we should allow everyone to research and study it. The more research and studies are done, the more we can become aware of the realities that happened. We still leave open to further studies absolute knowledge of science or math. Historical events are always subject to revisions, and reviews and studies… Why is it that those who ask questions are persecuted? Why is every word so sensitivity or such prohibition on further studies on the subject? Where as we can openly question Allah, the prophet, concepts such as freedom and democracy? :confused:

3) If this happened, where did it happen? Did the Palestinians have anything to do with it? Why should the Palestinians pay for it now? Five million displaced Palestinians is what Im talking about. Over 60 years of living under threat. Losing the lives of thousands of dear ones. And homes that are destroyed on a daily basis over people’s heads. You might argue that the Jews have the right to have a state. We’re not against that. But where? At a place where their people were — Not at the cost of displacing the Palestinian nation. And occupying the whole territory.




Let me remind you that Yahoods, like other minorities are living peacefully in Iran.They are protected in the Iranian constitution and a seat is reserved for a Yahood in our Majlis (Irans Parliament). Iran hosts the largest Jewish population of any Muslim-majority country. And it is home to the second-largest Yahood population in the Middle East.

[Shah-Jehan]

This sums it up:D
http://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/holocaust_remembrance_day_by_latuff21.jpg

[Also]

I believe you are quoting these questions from an interview Ahmadinejad gave some years ago. I don't deny the holocaust but I don't support the state of Israel either.

[Behrouz]

I believe you are quoting these questions from an interview Ahmadinejad gave some years ago. I don't deny the holocaust but I don't support the state of Israel either.

Yes my thread is based on Ahmedinejad's interview.

[Smaug]

Jews were not killed as a direct consequence of the war itself, they were exterminated, that's what's ugly about the WWII: a group of human beings sent to death in a process that had the size and the complexity only seen in industrial scale. People die in war, that's sad, but is natural, but genocide? No thanks. War is disgusting, genocide is even more.

[Kiyant]

They were systematically killed because they were simply Jewish and in an industrial and disgusting way.
They werent victims of war they were victims simply because they were disliked by a psychopath.

[Agron]

As far as I remember this interview, Ahmadinejad only said that if the Holocaust happened then why do the Palestinians have to pay for something someone else did.

[YeshAtid]

As far as I remember this interview, Ahmadinejad only said that if the Holocaust happened then why do the Palestinians have to pay for something someone else did.

The Holocaust had nothing to do with the rebirth of Israel. The Jews had already made a lot of concessions already. Ben Gurion, the first Israeli PM was right about the Palestinians but he was too cautious to act upon his convictions.

[Agron]

The Holocaust had nothing to do with the rebirth of Israel. The Jews had already made a lot of concessions already. Ben Gurion, the first Israeli PM was right about the Palestinians but he was too cautious to act upon his convictions.
Sure...

http://fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/four-panel-map.jpg

[Coldy Valdir]

Behrouz who else to better tell you then a fellow juda himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3TveySBlkQ

[Rudel]

Jews were not killed as a direct consequence of the war itself, they were exterminated, that's what's ugly about the WWII: a group of human beings sent to death in a process that had the size and the complexity only seen in industrial scale. People die in war, that's sad, but is natural, but genocide? No thanks. War is disgusting, genocide is even more.
The extermination of the European Jews partially happened during the same time-frame as WWII but is not a part of WWII.

[YeshAtid]

Sure...

http://fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/four-panel-map.jpg

http://forward.com/workspace/assets/images/articles/w-jewishloss-1013131.jpg

[MelinusMargos]

Because they're not ideologically corrupted and because they're against israel.

[Sblast]

You are aware of the fact you actually didn't answer the question regarding the truth of the matter? I refereed months ago by POQ to an article (https://webfiles.uci.edu/phditto/peterditto/Publications/Liu%20%26%20Ditto%202012.pdf?uniq=-5wjp1a) in psycology on people 'morals' overriding their facts. The mechanics of Human stupidity and maliciousness never ceases to amaze.


Sure...

http://fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/four-panel-map.jpg

"Sure..." what does the green represent exactly? Do you know? Can you tell me?
Did you include malaria, swamps, empty grounds and/or the British/Ottoman rule and a non-nonexistent map that was invented recently?

[MelinusMargos]

http://forward.com/workspace/assets/images/articles/w-jewishloss-1013131.jpg

Why don't you talk about Philistine land?

[Smaug]

The extermination of the European Jews partially happened during the same time-frame as WWII but is not a part of WWII.

I know that, what I meant is that there was really industry to kill them, while other while other Europeans such as Brits or French died of direct consequences of the conflict, like bombings for example, what is terrible as well, don't get me wrong.

[YeshAtid]

Why don't you talk about Philistine land?

Palestinians are also of Jewish descent.

[Agron]

Why do we always talk about the poor jews when we talk about the holocaust? Are the others that were executed not worth mentioning? I mean there were Gipsies, gays and handicapped people who were executed, but I don't hear them crying all the time about it.

[MelinusMargos]

Palestinians are also of Jewish descent.

Uhm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines

[YeshAtid]

Why do we always talk about the poor jews when we talk about the holocaust? Are the others that were executed not worth mentioning? I mean there were Gipsies, gays and handicapped people who were executed, but I don't hear them crying all the time about it.
In England there's a greater emphasis on the disabled and gays than on the Jews.

[Agron]

http://forward.com/workspace/assets/images/articles/w-jewishloss-1013131.jpg
LOL
How can that be jewish land if jews weren't the majority until recently? It's the same as if Italians would say half europe is theirs, or albanians say that all the western Balkans is theirs.

[YeshAtid]

Uhm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines

The phillistines assimilated into the Jewry

[YeshAtid]

LOL
How can that be jewish land if jews weren't the majority until recently? It's the same as if Italians would say half europe is theirs, or albanians say that all the western Balkans is theirs.

Palestinians are Jewish, therefore it's Jewish land.

[Agron]

In England there's a greater emphasis on the disabled and gays than on the Jews.

Maybe but in Switzerland, Germany and so on, they act like only the jews were executed..

[Sblast]

Why don't you talk about Philistine land?

Are you actually aware of what you're talking about?

[YeshAtid]

Maybe but in Switzerland, Germany and so on, they act like only the jews were executed..

All the victims should be acknowledged.

[MelinusMargos]

The phillistines assimilated into the Jewry

And so, it's like Germany conquers France and assimilates every single french people. Does France become homeland of the germans? I don't think so.

[YeshAtid]

And so, it's like Germany conquers France and assimilates every single french people. Does France become homeland of the germans? I don't think so.

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/The-lost-Palestinian-Jews

[Agron]

Sblast
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_super/11/110677/2304795-good_good_let_the_butthurt_flow_through_you_1.jpg

[MelinusMargos]

Are you actually aware of what you're talking about?

Yes, I'm talking about the fact that that was the land of the philistines, Jews were just parasitic guests there.

[Virtuous]

How is it that we never hear about the systematic starvation of the Ukranian population repeatedly every year? Or the systematic bombing of approximately 100,000 Civilian Germans in Dresden? <----of which both evidence from these allied-soviet war crimes are also used as Holohoax proof.

[Kiyant]

How is it that we never hear about the systematic starvation of the Ukranian population repeatedly every year? Or the systematic bombing of approximately 100,000 Civilian Germans in Dresden? <----of which both evidence from these allied-soviet war crimes are also used as Holohoax proof.

If you dont believe it my grandfather had a nice stay in belzec which wasnt nice at all...........

[Agron]

All the victims should be acknowledged.

I agree with you, and I don't deny the holocaust. I only think that you stole the land of the palestinians.

[Sblast]

Why do we always talk about the poor jews when we talk about the holocaust? Are the others that were executed not worth mentioning? I mean there were Gipsies, gays and handicapped people who were executed, but I don't hear them crying all the time about it.

The fact Jews are mentioned does not make it exclusive nor devalue other crimes during WWII. But you don't care about either really - I doubt if you ever even picked up a book that you speak so mindlessly on the issue - You're just trying to trivialize something you don't like, and it's not a very original attempt at it.

[Agron]

The fact Jews are mentioned does not make it exclusive nor devalue other crimes during WWII. But you don't care about either really - I doubt if you ever even picked up a book that you speak you light minded on the issue - You're just trying to trivialize something you don't like, and it's not a very original attempt.
Yeah whatever, go on give me some more thumb downs.

[Sblast]

Yeah whatever, go on give me some more thumb downs.

Yes, indeed Dr. Watson. You post thoughtless shit verging on cynical thoughtless shit, and as a consequenceyou get a thumbs down.

[YeshAtid]

I agree with you, and I don't deny the holocaust. I only think that you stole the land of the palestinians.

The Arabs fought the Jews and lost. Israel 's been unwise in not acknowledging the Jewishness of most Palestinians.

[Agron]

Yes, indeed Dr. Watson. You post thoughtless shit verging on cynical thoughtless shit, and as a consequenceyou get a thumbs down.

No, it's more like, every one who says something against the jews gets a thumb down. Even if I was right (and I am always :D), you would give me a thumb down.

[Kastrioti1443]

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9991/jewjitsu.jpg

[Virtuous]

If you dont believe it my grandfather had a nice stay in belzec which wasnt nice at all...........

What about the gypsies and other ethnicities that were in German Concentration (Labour) camps? Are they lesser Human than the poor Jews? I'm pretty sure Stalin's gulags compared to Hitler's concentration camps, the latter were like 5 star hotels. It's absolutely pathetic that we demonize all of Germany's NationalSocialist History just because an overblown legend, a legend of systematically killed 6 million Jews, as if they would have been instead shot (like how the NKVD shot Polish officials) it wouldn't have been that of a tragedy. Oh and what about the Turkish-Armenian Genocide? Should we not also remember the poor Armenians that died under the EVIL (whatever your political system was) at the time?

World War II was not fought on a basis of morals or saving this and that, Britain and France owned 3/4ths of the World for that matter, and then they come saying that Hitler had megalomania - HAH! ----> go tell it to the international Judean businessmen that declared war on Germany in 1933.

[Agron]

The Arabs fought the Jews and lost. Israel 's been unwise in not acknowledging the Jewishness of most Palestinians.
In that case if someone will break into your house, and you're not able to win the fight against him (although he has some pretty bad ass friends who help him), then you lose your house?

[Kiyant]

What about the gypsies and other ethnicities that were in German Concentration (Labour) camps? Are they lesser Human than the poor Jews? I'm pretty sure Stalin's gulags compared to Hitler's concentration camps, the latter were like 5 star hotels. It's absolutely pathetic that we demonize all of Germany's NationalSocialist History just because an overblown legend, a legend of systematically killed 6 million Jews, as if they would have been instead shot (like how the NKVD shot Polish officials) it wouldn't have been that of a tragedy. Oh and what about the Turkish-Armenian Genocide? Should we not also remember the poor Armenians that died under the EVIL (whatever your political system was) at the time?

World War II was not fought on a basis of morals or saving this and that, Britain and France owned 3/4ths of the World for that matter, and then they come saying that Hitler had megalomania - HAH!

Stalin and so on didnt killed people because of their etnicy which the Nazis did i heard about the horros of belzec first hand and it is gruesome but atleast those nazi soldiers liked their rabbits in the concentration camp.

[YeshAtid]

In that case if someone will break into your house, and you're not able to win the fight against him (although he has some pretty bad ass friends who help him), then you lose your house?

5 Arab countries against 1. I already said Palestinians should come back and embrace their Jewish heritage

[Agron]

5 Arab countries against 1. I already said Palestinians should come back and embrace their Jewish heritage

5 Arab countries against Usrael...

[YeshAtid]

5 Arab countries against Usrael...

The Arabs were backed by the USSR.It seems you can't answer my 2nd point.

[PolishAmerican190]

They deny it because they are still living in the 16th century. In their eyes it has not happened yet.

[Agron]

The Arabs were backed by the USSR.It seems you can't answer my 2nd point.

which second point?

[YeshAtid]

which second point?

Palestinians are of Jewish ancestry and should return to Israel.

[Shah-Jehan]

The Arabs were backed by the USSR.It seems you can't answer my 2nd point.

USSR was the first country to recognize Israel...

[YeshAtid]

USSR was the first country to recognize Israel...

Because they saw it as a potential enemy of the West, then Stalin rebuked recognition

[Agron]

Palestinians are of Jewish ancestry and should return to Israel.

How do you mean that, they should return only if they convert to judaism?

[YeshAtid]

How do you mean that, they should return only if they convert to judaism?

Acknowledge their heritage and respect Judaism at the very least.

[Shah-Jehan]

Because they saw it as a potential enemy of the West, then Stalin rebuked recognition

both the US and the USSR helped train and provide weaponry Israelis in 1948 to fight against Arab nations which eventually led to the state's creation...

[YeshAtid]

both the US and the USSR helped train and provide weaponry Israelis in 1948 to fight against Arab nations which eventually led to the state's creation...

It's called being Machiavellian, all clever leaders do it. The USSR practically bankrolled the Greater Arab Republic in 67

[Shah-Jehan]

It's called being Machiavellian, all clever leaders do it. The USSR practically bankrolled the Greater Arab Republic in 67

Not really...

[Agron]

Acknowledge their heritage and respect Judaism at the very least.

Well my family is from Christian ancestry, but if some Christians stole my land (and treat me like an untermensch) I wouldn't respect them either. It's the present that counts, not the past.

[YeshAtid]

Not really...

http://www.sixdaywar.org/content/soviets.asp

[Scandalf]

both the US and the USSR helped train and provide weaponry Israelis in 1948 to fight against Arab nations which eventually led to the state's creation...

Yep, but as soon as France, GB and Israel wanted to take control of Suez and beat the crap out of Egypt, USA and USSR gave an ultimatum to all of these nations...

[YeshAtid]

Well my family is from Christian ancestry, but if some Christians stole my land (and treat me like an untermensch) I wouldn't respect them either. It's the present that counts, not the past.

Which is why reconciliation is needed to foster good relations.

[Shah-Jehan]

Yep, but as soon as France, GB and Israel wanted to take control of Suez and beat the crap out of Egypt, USA and USSR gave an ultimatum to all of these nations...

that was way later then 1948...

[Black Wolf]

Jews were not killed as a direct consequence of the war itself, they were exterminated, that's what's ugly about the WWII: a group of human beings sent to death in a process that had the size and the complexity only seen in industrial scale. People die in war, that's sad, but is natural, but genocide? No thanks. War is disgusting, genocide is even more.

Very well said sir.

[Agron]

Which is why reconciliation is needed to foster good relations.

I wouldn't be able to reconciliate with someone who did such things to me.

[YeshAtid]

I wouldn't be able to reconciliate with someone who did such things to me.

The Mizrahim have, after Muslims kicked them out of their own countries.

[Scandalf]

that was way later then 1948...

8 years later.

[Sblast]

I wouldn't be able to reconciliate with someone who did such things to me.

I don't think a group of changing people are a "someone". Indeed, it's the present that counts - but not in the tortured way you present it. Other then that, history has a little it more to it than made up maps you post to exhibit your knowledge on the issue.

[portusaus]

I personally doubt that the scope, scale, and nature of the perceived Holocaust are as mainstream history claims. Much of the evidence was arranged or even created by the Soviets. I may not be German, and I may be British, but I still recognize that our country was among the aggressors in that war. The Holocaust, as it's called, was discovered after allies invaded; given the corruption of the allied states at that time I don't see it as an ignorant or radical view to support Holocaust Revision. Mahmoud Ahmedinejad's speech about this topic was very good (though I dislike him.

[Agron]

The Mizrahim have, after Muslims kicked them out of their own countries.

Don't know about that to be honest. Can you give some sources?

[YeshAtid]

Don't know about that to be honest. Can you give some sources?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTo0BLG9R8s

[Agron]

I don't think a group of changing people are a "someone". Indeed, it's the present that counts - but not in the tortured way you present it. Other then that, history has a little it more to it than made up maps you post to exhibit your knowledge on the issue.

Well if someone like Netanyahu is elected over and over again, I don't think that the people are changing.

[Sblast]

Well if someone like Netanyahu is elected over and over again, I don't think that the people are changing.

People are physically changing, replaced by other people. I'm assuming you know a lot about Netanyahu and his politics? And as side note disclaimer; I didn't vote for Netanyahu.

[Agron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTo0BLG9R8s

where's the part about forgiveness?

[Agron]

People are physically changing, replaced by other people. I'm assuming you know a lot about Netanyahu and his politics? And as side note disclaimer; I didn't vote for Netanyahu.

You didn't but the majority of Israelis did.
There must be a huge change in the mentalities of both people to even think about forgiving each other. I don't see that comming any time soon to be honest.

[Sblast]

You didn't but the majority of Israelis did.
There must be a huge change in the mentalities of both people to even think about forgiving each other. I don't see that comming any time soon to be honest.

Yeah, it was meant as a personal sidenote. Neither do I sadly. Tho I wouldn't be that pessimistic. It's viable in the long run.

[Anglojew]

1) In the Second World War, over 60 million people (at least 50 million civilians) lost their lifes. They were all human beings. Why is it that only Yahoods have become so prominent and important?

The reason is because ALL JEWS were murdered (with only a handful of famous exceptions eg German military of Jewish origin who were protected by prominant Nazis) regardless of age, sex, political beliefs or EVEN RELIGION. In otherwords a 5 year old was murdered for simply being Jewish. Also, one-third of Jews in the world were murdered and two-thirds of European Jews. Also, Jewish groups are prominant in remembering the genocides against Gypsies and Homosexuals too.


2) If Holocaust happened, and if it is a historical evant, then we should allow everyone to research and study it. The more research and studies are done, the more we can become aware of the realities that happened. We still leave open to further studies absolute knowledge of science or math. Historical events are always subject to revisions, and reviews and studies… Why is it that those who ask questions are persecuted? Why is every word so sensitivity or such prohibition on further studies on the subject? Where as we can openly question Allah, the prophet, concepts such as freedom and democracy? :confused:

The Holocaust is quite possibly the SINGLE MOST DOCUMENTED AND STUDIED episode in human history.

Iranians claim to be neutral but their Holocaust Conference was attented by all the major Holocaust deniers;

http://holocaustelective.wikispaces.com/file/view/participants_e.gif/63430072/participants_e.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_to_Review_the_Global_Visi on_of_the_Holocaust




3) If this happened, where did it happen? Did the Palestinians have anything to do with it? Why should the Palestinians pay for it now? Five million displaced Palestinians is what Im talking about. Over 60 years of living under threat. Losing the lives of thousands of dear ones. And homes that are destroyed on a daily basis over people’s heads. You might argue that the Jews have the right to have a state. We’re not against that. But where? At a place where their people were — Not at the cost of displacing the Palestinian nation. And occupying the whole territory.


Actually yes. The Palestinian leader (Mufti of Jerusalem) lived in Berlin from where he cheered the Holocaust on and conducted a Nazi propaganda campaign (radio etc) in Arabic.

http://serbianna.com/analysis/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Mufti-meets-Hitler.jpg

He also founded two Muslim SS divisions.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/06.jpg


The Mufti and other Arab Muslims visited concentration camps, accompanied by German officials. An associate of al-Husseini's, together with three associates of former Iraqi Prime Minister visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp as part of a German secret police "training course" in July 1942. At the time, the Sachsenhausen camp housed large numbers of Jews, but was only transformed into a death camp in the following year.[155] Their tour through the camp presented it as a re-educational institution, and they were shown the high quality of objects made by inmates, and happy Russian prisoners who, reformed to fight Bolshevism, were paraded, singing, in sprightly new uniforms. They left the camp very favourably impressed by its programme of educational indocrination.[156] Fritz Grobba wrote on 17 July 1942:

"I reported considerable concern ... about the participation of members of the entourage of Prime Minister Galiani [Rashid Ali] and of the Grand Mufti in SD [secret security police] courses and site visits to concentration camps ... The visit by three assistants of the prime minister [Galiani] and one of the Grand Mufti at concentration camp Oranienburg had already taken place. The visit lasted about two hours with very satisfying results ... the Jews aroused particular interest among the Arabs.... It all made a very favorable impression on the Arabs".


Grobba makes it clear that the Mufti visited the concentration camp at Oranienburg. Various sources have repeatedly alleged that he visited other concentration camps, and also the death camps of Auschwitz, Majdanek, Treblinka and Mauthausen, though there is little conclusive documentary evidence to substantiate these other visits.

Gilbert Achcar, referring to this meeting with Himmler, observes:


"The Mufti was well aware that the European Jews were being wiped out; he never claimed the contrary. Nor, unlike some of his present-day admirers, did he play the ignoble, perverse, and stupid game of Holocaust denial…. His armour-propre would not allow him to justify himself to the Jews….gloating that the Jews had paid a much higher price than the Germans… he cites… : ”Their losses in the Second World War represent more than thirty percent of the total number of their people …. Statements like this, from a man who was well placed to know what the Nazis had done … constitute a powerful argument against Holocaust deniers. Husseini reports that Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler … told him in summer 1943 that the Germans had ‘already exterminated more than three million’ Jews: “I was astonished by this figure, as I had known nothing about the matter until then.” …. Thus. in 1943, Husseini knew about the genocide…"


The memoir then continues:-


"Himmler asked me on the occasion:"How you you propose to settle the Jewish question in your country?' I replied:'All we want from them is that they return to their countries of origin." He (Himmler) replied:' We shall never authorize their return to Germany."Laurens 2002, p. 469.


By Husseini's admission therefore he was informed of the Nazi genocide of the Jews certainly by the summer of 1943. Wolfgang G. Schwanitz doubts the sincerity of his surprise since, he argues, Husseini had publicly declared that Muslims should follow the example Germans set for a "definitive solution to the Jewish problem".
The Mufti declared in November, 1943:

"It is the duty of Muhammadans in general and Arabs in particular to … drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countries….Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a definitive solution [endgültige Lösung] for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini


Furthermore, in 2008 the ORIGINAL BLUEPRINTS for Auschwitz were found in a Berlin Appartment (hidden in a wall). Guess who the apartment belonged to during the war?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef0128777cbc61970c-500wi

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Jews were not killed as a direct consequence of the war itself, they were exterminated, that's what's ugly about the WWII: a group of human beings sent to death in a process that had the size and the complexity only seen in industrial scale. People die in war, that's sad, but is natural, but genocide? No thanks. War is disgusting, genocide is even more.

Jews were not the only to perish in genocide though.

There were gays, mentally impaired & gypsies too.

The 20 million or so Russians mass murdered by Nazi Germany was in a certain genocide like nature for sure!

Of course

3 million Polish Catholics perished in the Holocaust including Catholic clergy!

You rarely hear about this though!

Quite the opposite you have Jews like Debbie Schlussel who like to blame Poland for the Holocaust!

Blaming Catholics for the Holocaust is extremely popular even if it is not popular to know that the oldest survivor of the Dachau concentration camp was a Polish Catholic Priest!

[SobieskisavedEurope]

And so, it's like Germany conquers France and assimilates every single french people. Does France become homeland of the germans? I don't think so.

Over time yes that does happen!

Berlin was originally Polabian Slavic!

The Germans about 1,000 years ago stole land from the Polabians in East / North Germany.

Now, how many remember the Polabians? Few!

Now, how many remember that Berlin is the capital of Germany!? Many!

[Also]

Jews also attended the Holocaust Conference held in Tehran.

http://ronpaulsupporters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/yisroel-dovid-weiss-ahmadinejad.jpg
http://ronpaulsupporters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Yisroel-Dovid-Weiss-iran.jpg
http://globalfire.tv/nj/graphs/holoconference_tehran_rabbis.jpg
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/01/15/nyregion/650_rabbi_2.jpg

[Sblast]

Jews also attended the Holocaust Conference held in Tehran.


What follows?

[Also]

What follows?

I think it is important to see the whole figure instead of pointing out David Duke and the likes.

[Sblast]

I think it is important to see the whole figure instead of pointing out David Duke and the likes.

Do you know who they are and what stands behind their actions? and I'll ask again, what follows?

[Windischer]

Why do we always talk about the poor jews when we talk about the holocaust? Are the others that were executed not worth mentioning? I mean there were Gipsies, gays and handicapped people who were executed, but I don't hear them crying all the time about it.

i dont know why exactly do you talk about jews when you talk about holocaust, but maybe its because the term holocaust refers to genocide of jews?


I mean there were Gipsies, gays and handicapped people who were executed, but I don't hear them crying all the time about it.

yea, you know, dead cant cry ;)

[Also]

Do you know who they are and what stands behind their actions? and I'll ask again, what follows?

I am only pointing out that jews also took part in the Conference. And as far as I know they weren't holocaust deniers.

[Sblast]

I am only pointing out that jews also took part in the Conference. And as far as I know they weren't holocaust deniers.

Good.

[Windischer]

How is it that we never hear about the systematic starvation of the Ukranian population repeatedly every year? Or the systematic bombing of approximately 100,000 Civilian Germans in Dresden? <----of which both evidence from these allied-soviet war crimes are also used as Holohoax proof.

its commemorated every year, but ignorant fuks like you cant possibly know, since you care about jews & your complexes much more

[Agron]

i dont know why exactly do you talk about jews when you talk about holocaust, but maybe its because the term holocaust refers to genocide of jews?





afaik the holocaust refers not only to the execution of the jews but also of the gipsies, etc. but I may be wrong.
Anyways you know what I wanted to say.



yea, you know, dead cant cry ;)



There are still gipsies alive, but no one cares about them, even though they were executed by the nazis, they still are discriminated nowadays..

[Windischer]

afaik the holocaust refers not only to the execution of the jews but also of the gipsies, etc. but I may be wrong.
Anyways you know what I wanted to say.

There are still gipsies alive, but no one cares about them, even though they were executed by the nazis, they still are discriminated nowadays..

:picard2:
you cant possibly believe what you have written

[Sblast]

afaik the holocaust refers not only to the execution of the jews but also of the gipsies, etc. but I may be wrong.
Anyways you know what I wanted to say.

There are still gipsies alive, but no one cares about them, even though they were executed by the nazis, they still are discriminated nowadays..

It sounds like you suffer from the "blame it on the Jew" syndrome.

[Agron]

:picard2:
you cant possibly believe what you have written

what's wrong with what I said?

[Agron]

It sounds like you suffer from the "blame it on the Jew" syndrome.

Yes that must be it :rolleyes:
I didn't say that jews are responsible for that, only that nowadays people only like to remember that the jews were executed, for the rest they don't care.

[Sblast]

Yes that must be it :rolleyes:
I didn't say that jews are responsible for that, only that nowadays people only like to remember that the jews were executed, for the rest they don't care.

If that's true, that's very tragic. As far as genocides go, I'm quite aware of most of what happened during WWII, not only to Jews. Your way of portraying as a contest with Jews or their experience and ordeals is is revolting.

[Agron]

If that's true, that's very tragic. As far as genocides go, I'm quite aware of most of what happened during WWII, not only to Jews. Your way of portraying as a contest with Jews or their experience and ordeals is is revolting.

I don't try to portray it as a contest, I only tell the truth. Ask some random Europeans which ethnicities were executed, the majority of them will only answer Jews.
Nowadays if someone criticized Israel then they are labeled as anti-semites, but if someone says somthing against gipsies no one cares.

[Sblast]

I don't try to portray it as a contest, I only tell the truth. Ask some random Europeans which ethnicities were executed, the majority of them will only answer Jews.
Nowadays if someone criticized Israel then they are labeled as anti-semites, but if someone says somthing against gipsies no one cares.

Thank you for sharing these trivialities with me, especially given your anti-Jewish overtones which will play a further obvious role in politics.
Who says no one cares? We had a few posts here on the forum from news headlines regarding gypsies and what the hell do both of them have to do?

[Agron]

Thank you for sharing these trivialities with me, especially given your anti-Jewish overtones which will play a further obvious role in politics.
Who says no one cares? We had a few posts here on the forum from news headlines regarding gypsies and what the hell do both of them have to do?

I say so. I have a question to you, do you live in Europe?
What do they have to do? Well they were also executed but no one bats an eye.
If someone dares to criticize Israel then it's a scandal in Europe, remember that poem of Günther Grass?

[Sblast]

I say so. I have a question to you, do you live in Europe?
What do they have to do? Well they were also executed but no one bats an eye.
If someone dares to criticize Israel then it's a scandal in Europe, remember that poem of Günther Grass?

No and I don't want to. Yeah, he writes like an idiot on the issue, but not every idiot is necessarily antisemitic.
And yes, the two generally mix very well and sometimes are hard to tell apart. It still doesn't follow that any one who criticizes Israeli policies is an antisemitic - but those who essentialize and demonize it as a Jewish state are in fact antisemitic by definition given that it is hostility and/or prejudice against Jews as Jews - which is no different than other forms of prejudice. You should read the working definition of anti-Jewish prejudice i.e. antisemitism by the EUMC for more details.

[Anglojew]

where's the part about forgiveness?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?72280-It-s-Time-Jews-Forgave-(Today-s)-Germans-For-The-Holocaust

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?78132-How-Times-Change-Israelis-View-Germany-As-Friendliest-Country-in-Europe&highlight=time+jews+forgave+germans

[Anglojew]

Jews also attended the Holocaust Conference held in Tehran.

http://ronpaulsupporters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/yisroel-dovid-weiss-ahmadinejad.jpg
http://ronpaulsupporters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Yisroel-Dovid-Weiss-iran.jpg
http://globalfire.tv/nj/graphs/holoconference_tehran_rabbis.jpg
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/01/15/nyregion/650_rabbi_2.jpg

They're an anti-zionist fringe group.

Iran trots them out to shield against accusations of Jew-hatred.

[Baluarte]

http://forward.com/workspace/assets/images/articles/w-jewishloss-1013131.jpg

1) Ancient Jewish Kingdom has no relevance at all in today's world other than maybe archeology. That area was occupied also by Assyrians and Persians prior to the Romans taking it.

2) "Jewish Homeland" is a hollow term (first time I read it) that had no practical translation whatsoever. The British Mandate of Palestine wasn't Jewish aimed, and the Balfour declaration never stated that "British Mandate = Palestine". Futhermore, the legitimacy of a statement by the damn Brits about the use of this area in the Levant means squat.


None of those has any relation to the contemporary State of Israel, which is much more accurately portrayed in the first map added by Agron.
It goes back to the basic Zionist principle: Maximize the amount of land under Jewish hands.

[Manifest Destiny]

Why do we always talk about the poor jews when we talk about the holocaust? Are the others that were executed not worth mentioning? I mean there were Gipsies, gays and handicapped people who were executed, but I don't hear them crying all the time about it.

You're right that people only seem to care about Jews when discussing the Holocaust, but you're wrong that other groups don't also bitch about being targeted for extermination.

[Baluarte]

You're right that people only seem to care about Jews when discussing the Holocaust, but you're wrong that other groups don't also bitch about being targeted for extermination.

Most whining gets ignored. Jewish whining can change the political agenda in certain countries, prompt offical State excuses, heavy financial reparations and motivate pro Israeli behaviour. Just look at what lobby organizations like AIPAC in the US or the CRIF in France do.

Perfect embodiement of Nahum Goldmann's old quote: Jewish life consists of two things, collecting money and protesting.

[Kiyant]

Most whining gets ignored. Jewish whining can change the political agenda in certain countries, prompt offical State excuses, heavy financial reparations and motivate pro Israeli behaviour. Just look at what lobby organizations like AIPAC in the US or the CRIF in France do.

Perfect embodiement of Nahum Goldmann's old quote: Jewish life consists of two things, collecting money and protesting.

Quite a good life dont you think?

[Anglojew]

1) Ancient Jewish Kingdom has no relevance at all in today's world other than maybe archeology. That area was occupied also by Assyrians and Persians prior to the Romans taking it.

2) "Jewish Homeland" is a hollow term (first time I read it) that had no practical translation whatsoever. The British Mandate of Palestine wasn't Jewish aimed, and the Balfour declaration never stated that "British Mandate = Palestine". Futhermore, the legitimacy of a statement by the damn Brits about the use of this area in the Levant means squat.


None of those has any relation to the contemporary State of Israel, which is much more accurately portrayed in the first map added by Agron.
It goes back to the basic Zionist principle: Maximize the amount of land under Jewish hands.

2 refers to the San Remo conference.

[Baluarte]

Quite a good life dont you think?

I hate money and I hate unnecessary whining that goes far beyond the limit of modesty and decency.

Even a life based on heroine and self mutilation is more honourable.

[Anglojew]

Perfect embodiement of Nahum Goldmann's old quote: Jewish life consists of two things, collecting money and protesting.

Colombian life consists of two things; Kidnapping and Cocaine.

[Baluarte]

Colombian life consists of two things; Kidnapping and Cocaine.

I'm still wondering why you think that insulting Colombia (quite ungrateful, considering the level of submission and friendliness that the country has towards Israel, NATO and the Us), is somehow an effective way to make me feel attacked.

[Anglojew]

I'm still wondering why you think that insulting Colombia (quite ungrateful, considering the level of submission and friendliness that the country has towards Israel, NATO and the Us), is somehow an effective way to make me feel attacked.

On the contrary. I love coke!

[Baluarte]

On the contrary. I love coke!

So?

How is that a reply to what I said?

[Anglojew]

So?

How is that a reply to what I said?

Sometimes you don't deserve a reply.

[Baluarte]

Sometimes you don't deserve a reply.

Yet you still came here in the first place and judged it necessary to post what you posted. The irony.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I guess I am split on the issue. I believe it happened but it seems clear some of the reports (especially coming from austrian ghetto jews) were a load of crap, and really we should expect that a victim that really hates someone will likely exaggerate. Not all but some are bound to. A lot of stuff that was probably propaganda got codified into reality.

The thing is, you can only hold people who actually did anything responsible, regardless of what happened. It's pretty childish to hold a whole race at blame forever for the past. In proportional numbers Irish got wiped out by English much more savagely and even sold into slavery or deported to penal colonies, and not just once. But you can't go and cut some english guy's throat over it for no other reason than that he's english.

[Anglojew]

Yet you still came here in the first place and judged it necessary to post what you posted. The irony.

It's coming into Friday night here and sometimes I just can't be fucked to be honest.

[Sblast]

Perfect embodiement of Nahum Goldmann's old quote: Jewish life consists of two things, collecting money and protesting.

If your'e going to be full of it you might as well add taking care of people like you :lol:.

[Anglojew]

If your'e going to be full of it you might as well add taking care of people like you :lol:.

Baluarte can't help his Jew obsession. His countryl/nationality is named after a Jew (Columbus);

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?85090-Was-Columbus-Jewish

and he worships a Jew as the "son of G-d."

I bet he hates his father or something really cliched and associates his father's identity; Catholic/Columbian with Jews.

[Virtuous]

its commemorated every year, but ignorant fuks like you cant possibly know, since you care about jews & your complexes much more

You can't possibly compare the Holohoax hype of constant promotion (it's good business for the Jews) through all sorts of media, public schools and cinema of constant falsified truths buried with a mountain of lies with on the other hand: a National commemoration that is simply celebrated every year by the particular ethnicity that suffered (HOW INDEED) it should be, you stupid fuckwit.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Thanks to our new president Rouhani this is not the case anymore. But we, as people of Iran, are still against using the Holocaust to justify the behaviour of Israel in the region. This has nothing to do with Yahoods and cannot be interpreted as anti–semitic. To understand our real stance toward issue of the Holocaust, it is worth reading this post.

Three questions about the Holocaust:

1) In the Second World War, over 60 million people (at least 50 million civilians) lost their lifes. They were all human beings. Why is it that only Yahoods have become so prominent and important?


Jews certainly have used the Holocaust to their advantage that much is obvious.

As Jew Norman Finkelstein states in his book the Holocaust industry!

About how the Jews have used the Holocaust to profit off of!

[Windischer]

You can't possibly compare the Holohoax hype of constant promotion (it's good business for the Jews) through all sorts of media, public schools and cinema of constant falsified truths buried with a mountain of lies with on the other hand: a National commemoration that is simply celebrated every year by the particular ethnicity that suffered (HOW INDEED) it should be, you stupid fuckwit.

maybe in your fantasy world ;)

[Fear Fiain]

why do jews deny Christ?

[Behrouz]

They're an anti-zionist fringe group.

Iran trots them out to shield against accusations of Jew-hatred.

See? We've got nothing against non-Zionist Jews. I feel sorry for them non-Zionist Jews actually. Because, unfortunately, they will end up sharing the same fate as Zionists. When people speak out against Zionism, Jews take it as a case of anti-Semitism but it has nothing to do with that. Zionism makes like its really defending Israel's right to exist which isn't the case at all because most of the time the Zionists are the aggressors and the other nations particularly the Palestinians are just defending themselves from the aggression. I can understand why Hitler hated the Jews so much, not that I think he was right, but he saw what trouble they caused in Russia and he didn't want same shit to happen in Germany, so his main goal was to stop the Communist threat against Germany which was being spearheaded by Zionist Jahoods.

[Kiyant]

See? We've got nothing against non-Zionist Jews. I feel sorry for them non-Zionist Jews actually. Because, unfortunately, they will end up sharing the same fate as Zionists. When people speak out against Zionism, Jews take it as a case of anti-Semitism but it has nothing to do with that. Zionism makes like its really defending Israel's right to exist which isn't the case at all because most of the time the Zionists are the aggressors and the other nations particularly the Palestinians are just defending themselves from the aggression. I can understand why Hitler hated the Jews so much, not that I think he was right, but he saw what trouble they caused in Russia and he didn't want same shit to happen in Germany, so his main goal was to stop the Communist threat against Germany which was being spearheaded by Zionist Jahoods.

Because Stalin was such a jew............

[Sblast]

See? We've got nothing against non-Zionist Jews. I feel sorry for them non-Zionist Jews actually. Because, unfortunately, they will end up sharing the same fate as Zionists. When people speak out against Zionism, Jews take it as a case of anti-Semitism but it has nothing to do with that. Zionism makes like its really defending Israel's right to exist which isn't the case at all because most of the time the Zionists are the aggressors and the other nations particularly the Palestinians are just defending themselves from the aggression. I can understand why Hitler hated the Jews so much, not that I think he was right, he saw what trouble they caused in Russia and he didn't want same shit to happen in Germany, so his main goal was to stop the Communist threat against Germany which was being spearheaded by Zionist Jahoods.

Are you mentally ill or just enjoy oral defecation? When is the last time you checked your signature and post content?
Actually "you" (we have no Iranian members here) share their fate - Neturei-Karta are a messianic theocratic group. Secondly, "you" enjoy a vast culture of blunt anti-Jewish sentiments from centuries in the past to the present day, from films and literature to conventions. The small Jewish community in Iran are a Zoo exhibit officially discriminated against, and besides that like everyone in Iran - they live in fear voicing their genuine opinions.


Because Stalin was such a jew............

They will insinuate the idea that the hidden property of "Jewshness" is the common cause of all events to do with any Jew any time regardless of the detectable actions they have taken and ideas they actually possess.

[Acquisitor]

why do jews deny Christ?

why do non jews deny christ ? most europeans deny christ

how come ?

[Behrouz]

Because Stalin was such a jew............

Stop acting like mercenary, you disgust me. You don't even defend your own people as much as you defend Jews on apricity.

[Kiyant]

Stop acting like mercenary, you disgust me. You don't even defend your own people as much as you defend Jews on apricity.

Just because i showed you that you were wrong?
Also just to annoy you North Iran=Azeri Turk land

[Sblast]

Stop acting like mercenary, you disgust me. You don't even defend your own people as much as you defend Jews on apricity.

I think common decency is worth defending on the Apricity regardless of what people are the subject of the sadistic torture by the likes of you, who confuse their thinking organ for a fist and their mouth for an asshole.

[Acquisitor]

Stop acting like mercenary, you disgust me. You don't even defend your own people as much as you defend Jews on apricity.

you opened an aggressive troll topic

its natural that most people will be against it.

you know that.

[Behrouz]

The small Jewish community in Iran are a Zoo exhibit officially discriminated against, and besides that like everyone in Iran - they live in fear voicing their genuine opinions.

Ungrateful dogs. What do you know about Jews living in Iran? Ask a Jew in Iran if he feels persecuted in any way? Sixty percent of them live in our capital, Tehran. Their condition is 700.000 times better than the Palestinians under Zionist occupation.

[Acquisitor]

Ungrateful dogs. What do you know about Jews living in Iran? Ask a Jew in Iran if he feels persecuted in any way? Sixty percent of them live in our capital, Tehran. Their condition is 700.000 times better than the Palestinians under Zionist occupation.

Arabs in Israel have more rights than Iranians in Iran. They also have sex, and you don't.

now go play with your dolls friendo.

[Behrouz]

you opened an aggressive troll topic

its natural that most people will be against it.

you know that.

Enough. Every thing i say, i make is "trolling" to you, i have the right to express my opinions about any topic. Who the hell are you to judge and call me troll? Anglojew is a well known troll member, making 100 threads about Islam per day, yet i don't see anyone calling him troll. What makes you Jews untouchable? Poor crybabies.

[Kiyant]

Enough. Every thing i say, i make is "trolling" to you, i have the right to express my opinions about any topic. Who the hell are you to judge and call me troll? Anglojew is a well known troll member, making 100 threads about Islam per day, yet i don't see anyone calling him troll. What makes you Jews untouchable? Poor crybabies.

I already told Anglo what i think about his Threads but mostly he is at the moment not worth my time.
I just corrected you because what you said was wrong.

[Behrouz]

I'm laughing at confused Russian with Jewish roots who thanks everypost that insults me. The idea of having jewish blood in his veins must hurt so bad and encourage him to defend his Semitic blood brothers.

[Behrouz]

I already told Anglo what i think about his Threads but mostly he is at the moment not worth my time.
I just corrected you because what you said was wrong.

There was nothing wrong in my post. I didn't even claim that Stalin was Jewish, you are talking out of your donmeh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6nmeh) ass as always.

[Kiyant]

There was nothing wrong in my post. I didn't even claim that Stalin was Jewish, you are talking out of your donmeh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6nmeh) ass as always.

Dont come with this Donmeh crap also you said that the red revolution was jewish which infact it wasnt Lenin was only 1/4 jewish and every nazi/anti-semit makes it sound like he was fully jewish he mostly was Mongolian/Turkic.
Also Stalin killed many jews.

[Behrouz]

Dont come with this Donmeh crap also you said that the red revolution was jewish which infact it wasnt Lenin was only 1/4 jewish and every nazi/anti-semit makes it sound like he was fully jewish he mostly was Mongolian/Turkic.
Also Stalin killed many jews.

Even a single drop of Jewish blood is enough to make a man identify as Jewish and act so. It's like a cancer, an irreparable misfortune. That is why i make fun of you for being donmeh, you must have some of it.

[Kiyant]

Even a single drop of Jewish blood is enough to make a man identify as Jewish and act so. It's like a cancer, an irreparable misfortune.

WTF
No Jewish is a ethnicy
And being jewish is a religion

[Behrouz]

WTF
No Jewish is a ethnicy
And being jewish is a religion

See? There is no Jewish member left to cry and moan, you do the job for them, you are a cannon fodder mate. I pity you.

[Kiyant]

See? There is no Jewish member left to cry and moan, you do the job for them, you are a cannon fodder mate. I pity you.

LOL
You insult my relatives and i should agree with you?

[Behrouz]

LOL
You insult my relatives and i should agree with you?

So, jews are your relatives? Then do not be angry when i call you crypto jew.

[Windischer]

I'm laughing at confused Russian with Jewish roots who thanks everypost that insults me. The idea of having jewish blood in his veins must hurt so bad and encourage him to defend his Semitic blood brothers.

acquisitor isnt confused, unlike you.

[Behrouz]

acquisitor isnt confused, unlike you.

I was talking about you, not accqiiuizitor, you know it.

[Kiyant]

So, jews are your relatives? Then do not be angry when i call you crypto jew.

:picard1:
I have Turkic jewish relatives and you insult them.

[Behrouz]

:picard1:
I have Turkic jewish relatives and you insult them.

Turkic jews? Are they zionists? Because i've got nothing against non-Zionist Jews, as i've said billion times.

[Kiyant]

Turkic jews? Are they zionists? Because i've got nothing against non-Zionist Jews, as i've said billion times.

Some are most arent but they arent like you try to want them

[Windischer]

I was talking about you, not accqiiuizitor, you know it.

:1127: what made you think of me as a russian? :D
:rolleyes:

[Behrouz]

:1127: what made you think of me as a russian? :D
:rolleyes:

I thought "Rusnak" was something similar to Russian, whatever you are, you have the misfortune of having Yahood blood apparently. Poor you.

[Acquisitor]

Behrouz let me ask you this question.

do you think Israeli arabs will be delighted when the Palestinian state has been established ? I assume there will be land swaps such as Israeli settlements on the West Bank in exchange for Arab populated villages in Israel.

Do you think people living in these villages AND other Israeli Arabs will be glad to finally live in their own state ? Do you think Israeli Arabs will want to "help" Palestine by giving money to it or even by migrating ?

the clear answer is: while their words could be expressing delight and joy, in reality most of them or nearly all of them will do their best to stay in Israel.

Do you know why ? because Israeli Arabs have way more freedom than any other Arabs and Persians in the region. + of course they make much more money living in the "occupying" regime, and then there are "minor" things like having the best healthcare in the Middle East, the best education and so on.

this is the reality.

they live better than you (assuming you are not from the Iranian elite), way better.

Those in the West Bank live according to the ME standards for Arabs, in fact they live better, they get free money from all over the world and from Israel, free resources and so on. They also have a guarantee that Syria like incidents (a bloody war) is not going to happen there.

[orkideh]

Arabs in Israel have more rights than Iranians in Iran. They also have sex, and you don't.

now go play with your dolls friendo.

Especially Palestinians. . .

[Arad Khodeto Bokun]

Can I have your gif? please :wink

No homo

[LightHouse89]

Thanks to our new president Rouhani this is not the case anymore. But we, as people of Iran, are still against using the Holocaust to justify the behaviour of Israel in the region. This has nothing to do with Yahoods and cannot be interpreted as anti–semitic. To understand our real stance toward issue of the Holocaust, it is worth reading this post.

Three questions about the Holocaust:

1) In the Second World War, over 60 million people (at least 50 million civilians) lost their lifes. They were all human beings. Why is it that only Yahoods have become so prominent and important?

2) If Holocaust happened, and if it is a historical evant, then we should allow everyone to research and study it. The more research and studies are done, the more we can become aware of the realities that happened. We still leave open to further studies absolute knowledge of science or math. Historical events are always subject to revisions, and reviews and studies… Why is it that those who ask questions are persecuted? Why is every word so sensitivity or such prohibition on further studies on the subject? Where as we can openly question Allah, the prophet, concepts such as freedom and democracy? :confused:

3) If this happened, where did it happen? Did the Palestinians have anything to do with it? Why should the Palestinians pay for it now? Five million displaced Palestinians is what Im talking about. Over 60 years of living under threat. Losing the lives of thousands of dear ones. And homes that are destroyed on a daily basis over people’s heads. You might argue that the Jews have the right to have a state. We’re not against that. But where? At a place where their people were — Not at the cost of displacing the Palestinian nation. And occupying the whole territory.




Let me remind you that Yahoods, like other minorities are living peacefully in Iran.They are protected in the Iranian constitution and a seat is reserved for a Yahood in our Majlis (Irans Parliament). Iran hosts the largest Jewish population of any Muslim-majority country. And it is home to the second-largest Yahood population in the Middle East.

Why are any group systematically murdered? Communism [invented by a Jew] murder millions of Europeans. But also supposed 'nationalists' in central Europe did the same thing. Both sides behaved like morons. Now today we see this in Syria happening. I had a positive view of Assad before this occurred. I still believe he is the better leader because I am anti religious fanaticism but I think maybe he should give his people more social mobility. If they are all Syrians they should have a political system that looks out for them not fuck them over [excuse my French]. I have a positive view of Iran though, they are interesting culturally and historically. I do not deny the holocaust necessarily, I have mixed feelings of it. I do believe millions of people died but where these deportation camps or extermination camps. I do not accept all forms of information about these events but believe over all Jews were target in. If anything the question should not be how many Jews died but why they died? What reason is justifiable? There is not a single justifiable answer? [from National Socialists]. Now I am against what Israel is doing today.

To me Israel should include Palestinians in their politics and also try to not create settlements within certain places. Now Orthodox jews would be outraged by this, but they can compensate people and maybe ask some Palestinians hey look I will give you X amount of money to live here so you can move somewhere else? If they say no then respect it. To me Palestinians are as Jewish as the Jewish [not religiously though]. Both terms are tribal nonsense to me but that is how people are. Its absurd that Israel kicks people out of their homes and treats them horribly. That in America is a violation of their natural given rights by God. I do not know why Jews want to build settlements? I generally view Earth as Gods Eden [call me an idealist] so no one area of land is less or more holy than the other. I wont get into religion. I honestly do not care how people interpret it or what they view as right or wrong in a religious sense.

I think I may be secular to a degree? Anyway I am against colonialism and or kicking people off their land. America was quilty of this here with Native Americans. Luckily they still exist today and have political power thanks to President Roosevelt [not ww2 president]. He had a respect for Natives and other people world wide so I generally have a very postive view of him, because he was also a Nationalist.

[LightHouse89]

probably because the Russian and Serbian flag look similar? IDK :picard1:

[LightHouse89]

Dont come with this Donmeh crap also you said that the red revolution was jewish which infact it wasnt Lenin was only 1/4 jewish and every nazi/anti-semit makes it sound like he was fully jewish he mostly was Mongolian/Turkic.
Also Stalin killed many jews.

Stalinism+Hitlerite Socialism= death of mankind.

[LightHouse89]

Baluarte can't help his Jew obsession. His countryl/nationality is named after a Jew (Columbus);

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?85090-Was-Columbus-Jewish

and he worships a Jew as the "son of G-d."

I bet he hates his father or something really cliched and associates his father's identity; Catholic/Columbian with Jews.

Christopher Columbus was a Jew? Have I been living under a Rock? I thought he was Italian? Excuse my ignorance! Anyway it doesn't matter my Viking ancestors discovered it first hahahahaha. He used their notes to find it :cool:

[Petros Houhoulis]

Thanks to our new president Rouhani this is not the case anymore. But we, as people of Iran, are still against using the Holocaust to justify the behaviour of Israel in the region. This has nothing to do with Yahoods and cannot be interpreted as anti–semitic. To understand our real stance toward issue of the Holocaust, it is worth reading this post.

Three questions about the Holocaust:

1) In the Second World War, over 60 million people (at least 50 million civilians) lost their lifes. They were all human beings. Why is it that only Yahoods have become so prominent and important?

2) If Holocaust happened, and if it is a historical evant, then we should allow everyone to research and study it. The more research and studies are done, the more we can become aware of the realities that happened. We still leave open to further studies absolute knowledge of science or math. Historical events are always subject to revisions, and reviews and studies… Why is it that those who ask questions are persecuted? Why is every word so sensitivity or such prohibition on further studies on the subject? Where as we can openly question Allah, the prophet, concepts such as freedom and democracy? :confused:

3) If this happened, where did it happen? Did the Palestinians have anything to do with it? Why should the Palestinians pay for it now? Five million displaced Palestinians is what Im talking about. Over 60 years of living under threat. Losing the lives of thousands of dear ones. And homes that are destroyed on a daily basis over people’s heads. You might argue that the Jews have the right to have a state. We’re not against that. But where? At a place where their people were — Not at the cost of displacing the Palestinian nation. And occupying the whole territory.




Let me remind you that Yahoods, like other minorities are living peacefully in Iran.They are protected in the Iranian constitution and a seat is reserved for a Yahood in our Majlis (Irans Parliament). Iran hosts the largest Jewish population of any Muslim-majority country. And it is home to the second-largest Yahood population in the Middle East.

There was a Holocaust but it was - and remains - irrelevant to Palestine.

Is this so difficult for Iran to accept?