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Psychonaut
11-06-2009, 06:01 PM
Chinese Challenge to ‘Out of Africa’ Theory
Phil McKenna, New Scientist, November 3, 2009

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Jin Changzhu and colleagues of the Institute of Vertebrate Palaeontology and Palaeoanthropology in Beijing, announced to Chinese media last week that they have uncovered a 110,000-year-old putative Homo sapiens jawbone from a cave in southern China’s Guangxi province.

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If confirmed, the finding would lend support to the “multiregional hypothesis”. This says that modern humans descend from Homo sapiens coming out of Africa who then interbred with more primitive humans on other continents. In contrast, the prevailing “out of Africa” hypothesis holds that modern humans are the direct descendants of people who spread out of Africa to other continents around 100,000 years ago.

The study will appear in Chinese Science Bulletin later this month.

Out of China?

“[This paper] acts to reject the theory that modern humans are of uniquely African origin and supports the notion that emerging African populations mixed with natives they encountered,” says Milford Wolpoff, a proponent of the multiregional hypothesis at the University of Michigan.

Others disagreed. Erik Trinkaus, an anthropologist at Washington University in St Louis, Missouri, questioned whether the find was a true Homo sapiens.

“You need to keep in mind that ‘Homo sapiens’ for most Chinese scholars is not limited to anatomically modern humans,” he says. “For many of them, it is all ‘post Homo erectus,’ humans.”

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Source (http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/11/chinese_challen.php)

Grey
11-10-2009, 05:41 PM
Alright, time to classify this jawbone ;)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2492/dn180931500.jpg

Cato
11-10-2009, 05:51 PM
Interesting, but how can such conclusions be drawn from an incomplete jawbone?

Lutiferre
11-10-2009, 05:59 PM
If confirmed, the finding would lend support to the “multiregional hypothesis”. This says that modern humans descend from Homo sapiens coming out of Africa who then interbred with more primitive humans on other continents.
I thought it said that we were predominantly descended from isolated proto-humans in the respective continents, with perhaps a low level of geneflow between them, simply converging in somewhat similar evolutionary directions to create modern humans?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Multiregionaltheory.gif

Lahtari
11-10-2009, 09:04 PM
Alright, time to classify this jawbone ;)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2492/dn180931500.jpg

Looks primitive. I wouldn't put my money on that it's Sapiens.

Sapiens:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Human_jawbone_front.jpg/783px-Human_jawbone_front.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Human_jawbone_top.jpg/576px-Human_jawbone_top.jpg

Antecessor:

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00021/jawbone_21380s.jpg

Thulsa Doom
11-10-2009, 09:55 PM
In my opinion there is something fishy about the Out-of-Africa theory that doesn´t add up. According to the theory humanoids has evolved in Africa under the last 4-5 million years. And each 400-500 thousand years or so a new human species has spread over the world from Africa and supposedly been quite successful in doing that e g homo habilis, erectus etc. Now from a evolutionary standpoint it doesn´t make sense. The evolutionary pressure should have been greater on the "emigrants" then on the people that stayed in Africa. But according to the OoA theory each time the rest of the world population of humanoid has been wiped out.

The second strange thing is that if the homo sapiens were fully developed 100000 years ago what were they doing? I mean it doesn´t take that long to develop a civilization from scratch, look at Eastern Island for an example. I´m not denying that humans primarily left Africa ca 60000 years ago, but there is some pieces of the puzzle still missing.

Lutiferre
11-10-2009, 09:59 PM
The second strange thing is that if the homo sapiens were fully developed 100000 years ago what were they doing? I mean it doesn´t take that long to develop a civilization from scratch, look at Eastern Island for an example. I´m not denying that humans primarily left Africa ca 60000 years ago, but there is some pieces of the puzzle still missing.
There is also an aspect of sociocultural evolution which is important.

In an analogy, you can have a computer with very good hardware, but without the right software, it doesn't benefit much.

Otherwise, I agree with you. Multiregional hypothesis seems more feasible in general.

Lahtari
11-10-2009, 10:13 PM
The second strange thing is that if the homo sapiens were fully developed 100000 years ago

Maybe they weren't? (http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-evolution11dec11,1,3366709.story) ;)


The pace of human evolution has been increasing at a stunning rate since our ancestors began spreading through Europe, Asia and Africa 40,000 years ago, quickening to 100 times historical levels after agriculture became widespread, according to a study published today.


Most of the genetic changes the researchers identified were found in only one geographic group or another.


They found that the more the population grew, the faster human genes evolved. That's because more people created more opportunities for a beneficial mutation to arise, Hawks said.

In the last 5,000 to 10,000 years, as agriculture was able to support increasingly large societies, the rate of evolutionary change rose to more than 100 times historical levels, the study concluded.


Among the fastest-evolving genes were those related to brain development, but the researchers aren't sure what made them so desirable, Hawks said.

Well, at least some of us have definitely evolved since then.. :D

Thulsa Doom
11-10-2009, 10:25 PM
Maybe they weren't? (http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-evolution11dec11,1,3366709.story) ;)


Well, at least some of us have definitely evolved since then.. :D

Yes a figure like 10-15 thousand years makes more sense actually, at least if you talk about the civilized man.:rolleyes: