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Loki
12-05-2013, 05:37 PM
Based on my observations, the new era is going to be China's era. It will be a very fine hour for them. They will be a lot more wealthy on average than people from elsewhere in the world. In fact, they will own most of it.

Ideas?

VAARON
12-05-2013, 05:40 PM
Ideas? china will not give you free money and will not give u freedom :picard1: that my idea of how things gonna roll

noman.rasheed
12-05-2013, 05:41 PM
Not only China, India, Brazil, Russia, Arab states and many countries would be highly developed too.

Loki
12-05-2013, 05:42 PM
Not only China, India, Brazil, Russia, Arab states and many countries would be highly developed too.

True, but China a lot more than everyone else.

Unome
12-05-2013, 05:43 PM
Chinese have to support a billion humans. If the standard-of-living goes up then it will bankrupt them very quickly. So they must keep the poor people oppressed. This has the potential to shatter Chinese unity. So they will become more socialistic, more oppressive, cruel, and communistic.

Plus if more uncensored material filters through the internet "Great Firewall of China" then the poor Chinese will realize the truth. And they may revolt, due to hackers and cyberwarfare.

Regardless of what happens, US should lead the way of freeing all nations, bringing internet, technology, and Freedom! to the unliberated nations. We should connect the whole world to the internet, to unify everybody together. And then everybody should have Free Speech, to express themselves and voice opinions. That is true liberty and prosperity.

So the main drawback of China is its hundreds of millions of poor, peasant farmers. They will not be able to afford the "middle-class" Western lifestyle. That will consume too much resources.

Plus China needs an environmental revolution. Their pollution is killer, sick, and diseased. It goes against human rights, and all of Earth, to pollute like that. At least USA has innovative, creative techniques and the "Green Movement" to protect the environment. USA also has many environmental laws, despite the corporations.

VAARON
12-05-2013, 05:45 PM
socialists cant live without oppresion :picard1: they just butthurt losers that hate america and another 100 years will hate china because it will be cpitalist winner

Proctor
12-05-2013, 05:47 PM
As long as they leave the US and Europe alone, I don't really care much, they can do whatever they want in their own countries.

Loki
12-05-2013, 05:52 PM
socialists cant live without oppresion :picard1: they just butthurt losers that hate america and another 100 years will hate china because it will be cpitalist winner

What are you on about? This is not only about capitalism/socialism, but this specifically about China.

As for on this topic, the Chinese Communist Party changed their economic model to be effectively 'state capitalist'. And from that year on, the country started to enjoy rapid economic growth.

It would be interesting to see how they will manage all this unprecedented growth.

Loki
12-05-2013, 05:53 PM
If the standard-of-living goes up then it will bankrupt them very quickly. So they must keep the poor people oppressed. This has the potential to shatter Chinese unity. So they will become more socialistic, more oppressive, cruel, and communistic.


Why?

Unome
12-05-2013, 06:05 PM
Why?
A middle-class lifestyle becomes very expensive. The poor people will get a taste of: secure income, disposable income, amenities, a warm house, clean water, clean air and environment, healthy food, higher education, more technology, freedom, mobility, etc. All of these cost more money. In a capitalistic environment, the rich will separate further from the poor. But China is unique; because they have hundreds of millions of people competing to acquire the middle class lifestyle.

This competition is dangerous for them. It can fracture the society very easy. Because people are willing to compete against each-other to raise their own standard-of-living SOL.

All of this will cause the overall Chinese government to become more communistic and socialistic, to counter-balance the surge in capitalism. If capitalism wins-over then I don't see how China will avoid internal conflicts, without explicitly censoring and brainwashing their population. So they will have Capitalism without true freedom, which is to immerse themselves in the world cultures.

How can capitalism thrive without a free society? Chinese are very isolationist, introverted, and suspicious of outsiders. It's not like other first world nations, in this regard. But China is changing very quickly; millions of Chinese are learning English. So this will change the world within 50 years.

For example how many Chinese people come to TA? Not many, yet TA has posters and readers from everywhere else around the world. The East Asians are still isolated and not 'contributing' to the world community, still largely separated from the rest of the world.

That comes from a lack of imperial history. The East Asian empires mostly revolved around the Mongolian spread of the Kahnate. It was a land-based empire, not one that crossed the oceans, like the Britons.

Loki
12-05-2013, 06:17 PM
A middle-class lifestyle becomes very expensive. The poor people will get a taste of: secure income, disposable income, amenities, a warm house, clean water, clean air and environment, healthy food, higher education, more technology, freedom, mobility, etc. All of these cost more money. In a capitalistic environment, the rich will separate further from the poor. But China is unique; because they have hundreds of millions of people competing to acquire the middle class lifestyle.


China is truly unique, yes. And living standards of all Chinese people are rapidly surging. It can only be a good thing, and cause all Chinese people to have hope for the future, and a better life.

Life will become more expensive yes, but the richer Chinese will be able to afford it.



This competition is dangerous for them. It can fracture the society very easy. Because people are willing to compete against each-other to raise their own standard-of-living SOL.

All of this will cause the overall Chinese government to become more communistic and socialistic, to counter-balance the surge in capitalism. If capitalism wins-over then I don't see how China will avoid internal conflicts, without explicitly censoring and brainwashing their population. So they will have Capitalism without true freedom, which is to immerse themselves in the world cultures.



This is the benefit of having an authoritarian government: the government can introduce measures at will in which it will think will benefit the state/people most.

No other political parties are allowed in China. Hence, Chinese people don't even have to worry about elections and stuff. Isn't that great? I think the rest of the world's politicians are jealous.




How can capitalism thrive without a free society? Chinese are very isolationist, introverted, and suspicious of outsiders. It's not like other first world nations, in this regard. But China is changing very quickly; millions of Chinese are learning English. So this will change the world within 50 years.

For example how many Chinese people come to TA? Not many, yet TA has posters and readers from everywhere else around the world. The East Asians are still isolated and not 'contributing' to the world community, still largely separated from the rest of the world.



I think we will start seeing more Chinese around. Gradually. But, the Chinese have their own culture, their own civilization, language, writing, etc.

Tim O'Brien
12-06-2013, 04:23 PM
China have no chance for being a new power, they would simply worn down by wars and economic crisis :rolleyes:

Loki
12-06-2013, 08:31 PM
China have no chance for being a new power, they would simply worn down by wars and economic crisis :rolleyes:

How? What wars? And what economic crisis?

Loki
12-14-2013, 12:39 AM
Chinese civilization is superior. It developed independently from the Fertile Crescent.

Chinese writing is the oldest writing in use today. Some inscriptions in Chinese characters date from 6500BC.

Chinese writing is far superior to Western/Middle Eastern. Educated Chinese people know around 4,000 characters, but there are far more.

Chinese also have the highest IQ in the world, along with other East Asians. That, coupled with their numbers and homogeneity will ensure that China will far outpace Western civilization in decades to come.

Tropico
12-14-2013, 12:45 AM
Ill be dead by then. So fuck it.

Incal
12-14-2013, 12:45 AM
According to this critic, China's rise won't be peaceful because the US won't cede its supremacy just like that. So if China must rise, there will be unequivocally a war between those two:

http://faculty.maxwell.syr.edu/rdenever/IntlSecurity2008_docs/Mearsheimer_ChinaUnpeacefulRise.pdf

Trebal
12-14-2013, 01:05 AM
Chinese civilization is superior. It developed independently from the Fertile Crescent.

Chinese writing is the oldest writing in use today. Some inscriptions in Chinese characters date from 6500BC.

Chinese writing is far superior to Western/Middle Eastern. Educated Chinese people know around 4,000 characters, but there are far more.

Chinese also have the highest IQ in the world, along with other East Asians. That, coupled with their numbers and homogeneity will ensure that China will far outpace Western civilization in decades to come.

Yeah but they have no multiculturalism. Without multiculturalism Germany and white countries would have a higher IQ average than China and the other.

Szegedist
12-14-2013, 01:07 AM
Yeah but they have no multiculturalism. Without multiculturalism Germany and white countries would have a higher IQ average than China and the other.

Are you retarded?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China

Trebal
12-14-2013, 01:20 AM
Are you retarded?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China

How can you compare that with the situation in Germany and Europe? Are you really that stupid?

Szegedist
12-14-2013, 01:25 AM
How can you compare that with the situation in Germany and Europe? Are you really that stupid?

Why not?

Trebal
12-14-2013, 01:41 AM
Why not?

China has a far higher population than Germany.

I think Germany without multiculturalism and americanization would probably be on the same place or slightly higher than China.

Germans and Chinese are similar superior but Germany has some big problems at the moment China doesn't have.

Kastrioti1443
12-14-2013, 01:47 AM
China has a far higher population than Germany.

I think Germany without multiculturalism and americanization would probably be on the same place or slightly higher than China.

Germans and Chinese are similar superior but Germany has some big problems at the moment China doesn't have.

Such as?

Szegedist
12-14-2013, 02:16 AM
Such as?

China doesn't have pentaracial mongrels like Trebal,

Loki
12-14-2013, 02:53 AM
According to this critic, China's rise won't be peaceful because the US won't cede its supremacy just like that. So if China must rise, there will be unequivocally a war between those two:

http://faculty.maxwell.syr.edu/rdenever/IntlSecurity2008_docs/Mearsheimer_ChinaUnpeacefulRise.pdf

If so, the US will lose. Bear in mind that Russia will side with China, with all of its nukes.

Loki
12-14-2013, 02:54 AM
Are you retarded?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China

Yes, but the Han absolutely dominates numerically.

Loki
12-14-2013, 02:55 AM
China doesn't have pentaracial mongrels like Trebal,

Trebal is German.

Szegedist
12-14-2013, 02:58 AM
Trebal is German.

They aren't mutually exclusive.

Loki
12-14-2013, 03:03 AM
They aren't mutually exclusive.

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Loki
12-14-2013, 03:06 AM
I think Germany without multiculturalism and americanization would probably be on the same place or slightly higher than China.


No. China has 15x the population of Germany, also with a higher IQ. Chinese culture and civilization is superior.