Is J2a-L210 Jewish?

[dhunter93]

Is J2a-L210 Jewish?

Also is J-L210 now J2a-L210 or J2a4b3 ?

[Black Wolf]

I believe some subclades of M67 are found among Jews in high amounts. Not sure about this one though.

[Anglojew]

Is that J2a1b3?

[dhunter93]

Is that J2a1b3?


I think it's J2a4b3

[Anglojew]

Then yes. If its you, is it from your German side?

[dhunter93]

Then yes. If its you, is it from your German side?


Yes it's me, the results are from National Geographic and they read J-L210 I came up with the other codes searching the internet; However this would be from my Russian Grandfather who was not Jewish.

[Anglojew]

Yes it's me, the results are from National Geographic and they read read J-L210 I came up with the other codes searching the internet; However this would be from my Russian Grandfather who was not Jewish.


It probably means that your paternal line was Jewish 300 years ago. Same haplogroup as the Rothschilds;

http://jewsoffrankfurt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Bacharach-Rothschild-2pg.png

I think it means you're descended from King David (like me). Congrats (Mazel Tov).

[Black Wolf]

It probably means that your paternal line was Jewish 300 years ago. Same haplogroup as the Rothschilds;

http://jewsoffrankfurt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Bacharach-Rothschild-2pg.png

I think it means you're descended from King David (like me). Congrats (Mazel Tov).

I had seen the results of some Rothschilds before but I was not sure if the J2a results found among them actually were related to the famous family or not?

[dhunter93]

It probably means that your paternal line was Jewish 300 years ago. Same haplogroup as the Rothschilds;

http://jewsoffrankfurt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Bacharach-Rothschild-2pg.png

I think it means you're descended from King David (like me). Congrats (Mazel Tov).



Unless King David came from the Caucus mountains I don't think that's possible. The origins of J-L210 (hot spot) is smack in the middle of the Caucasus.

[Black Wolf]

Unless King David came from the Caucus mountains I don't think that's possible. The origins of J-L210 (hot spot) is smack in the middle of the Caucasus.

You may be thinking of the upstream SNP M67 that is found in massive percentages in the North Caucasus.

[dhunter93]

You may be thinking of the upstream SNP M67 that is found in massive percentages in the North Caucasus.

I notice you are also J2a is there Jewish background in your family? Also do you have a hot spot map for J2a?

[Black Wolf]

I notice you are also J2a is there Jewish background in your family? Also do you have a hot spot map for J2a?

Yes indeed I am. :)...No my paternal line is not Jewish. My paternal line comes from the Calabria region of Italy. Before that it seems like there is a chance my paternal line ancestor was Armenian based on a number of Y-STR matches I have with Armenians.

[dhunter93]

Yes indeed I am. :)...No my paternal line is not Jewish. My paternal line comes from the Calabria region of Italy. Before that it seems like there is a chance my paternal line ancestor was Armenian based on a number of Y-STR matches I have with Armenians.

I am a little confused, so is J-L210 , J2a? or is L210 just a mutation of J2a? Also is this another case of a non middle eastern people who are Turkic and now associated with the Ashkenazi ?

[Black Wolf]

I am a little confused, so is J-L210 , J2a? or is L210 just a mutation of J2a? Also is this another case of a non middle eastern people who are Turkic and now associated with the Ashkenazi ?


J-L210 is a subclade of J2a-M410 that is downstream from the M67 mutation. It is called J2a4b3 if you are going by some older nomenclature which many still do. Here is some info on J2a.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M172

[dhunter93]

J-L210 is a subclade of J2a-M410 that is downstream from the M67 mutation. It is called J2a4b3 if you are going by some older nomenclature which many still do. Here is some info on J2a.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M172



Ok, so are we Jewish or not?

[Anglojew]

Unless King David came from the Caucus mountains I don't think that's possible. The origins of J-L210 (hot spot) is smack in the middle of the Caucasus.

I think it is probably from proto-Israelites e.g. the migration of Abraham from there to Canaan. Similar to my Q haplogroup (found in Assyrians today).

[Anglojew]

J-M410 is found in Georgia, North Ossetia, this could also be the source?

[Black Wolf]

Ok, so are we Jewish or not?

To be totally honest with you I don't know. I know there are some Jews who are J2a L210 but I am not sure if most people who are part of that subclade are or are not though. You should do some research if you are interested. Send a few emails out to the administrators of the haplogroup J Project and ask.

[dhunter93]

I think it is probably from proto-Israelites e.g. the migration of Abraham from there to Canaan. Similar to my Q haplogroup (found in Assyrians today).

It is interesting that so much of Ashkenazism comes from Caucasus Mt region.

[Anglojew]

It is interesting that so much of Ashkenazism comes from Caucasus Mt region.

I think it's more that today's Caucasus region represents what the Ancient Near East was like ethnically before various migrations, occupations, Slavery etc brought in other genes. They survive much more purely there because of it's geographic isolation in a similar way to Sardinia representing European DNA prior to the Indo-European migration.

[Anglojew]

http://www.ancient.eu.com/uploads/images/171.png

Jews migrated from the part labelled Assur to Canaan.

[dhunter93]

http://www.ancient.eu.com/uploads/images/171.png

Jews migrated from the part labelled Assur to Canaan.



I suspect the migration is from the Caucus into the middle east and eastern Europe based on skin tone, appearance and dna markers based on the dispersal, as Turkic people look very different then the middle eastern populations.

[Black Wolf]

I think it's more that today's Caucasus region represents what the Ancient Near East was like ethnically before various migrations, occupations, Slavery etc brought in other genes. They survive much more purely there because of it's geographic isolation in a similar way to Sardinia representing European DNA prior to the Indo-European migration.

That indeed may be true.

[Armatus]

Seems to be most common among ashkenazi jews from russia, poland, italy and their periphery. Still, there are a few samples from Syria & Iran.

[Anglojew]

Seems to be most common among ashkenazi jews from russia, poland, italy and their periphery. Still, there are a few samples from Syria & Iran.

Do you think his paternal ancestor was Jewish?

[dhunter93]

I have been in contact with a J2a project, J2a-L210 is not middle eastern but from the Caucus region (west Asian). J2a-L210 is clustered with Ashkenazi Jewish population and non Jewish population, however do to the number of Ashkenazi jews who have been involved in DNA projects and the lack the samples from the region it's still a work in progress. There is no known Jewish heritage on my dad side of the family and all that is know is that they were from Moscow. Anythings possible..


This is what I was told
"Hi, if you look at what is positive (derived) from Z447 through Z492, for example one person who is Ashkenazi L210 has the following SNPs positive (+): Z447+, Z450+, Z451+, Z452+, Z453+, Z454+, Z455+, Z456+, Z457+, Z458+, Z461+, Z463+, Z465+, Z466+, Z467+, Z469+, Z470+, Z471+, Z472+, Z474+, Z475+, Z476+, Z482+, Z489+, Z492+. If you have all the same set of + SNPs then you are likely Ashkenazi, If you have more or less, then your ancestry is different.
Best,"

Results
"When I look at your data, you are Z482+ and Z492+ and negative for all SNPs between Z477 and Z495 apart from these two."

P.S. I think I can rule out being related to King David based on the West Asian Origin.

[Anglojew]

I have been in contact with a J2a project, J2a-L210 is not middle eastern but from the Caucus region (west Asian). J2a-L210 is clustered with Ashkenazi Jewish population and non Jewish population, however do to the number of Ashkenazi jews who have been involved in DNA projects and the lack the samples from the region it's still a work in progress. There is no known Jewish heritage on my dad side of the family and all that is know is that they were from Moscow. Anythings possible..


This is what I was told
"Hi, if you look at what is positive (derived) from Z447 through Z492, for example one person who is Ashkenazi L210 has the following SNPs positive (+): Z447+, Z450+, Z451+, Z452+, Z453+, Z454+, Z455+, Z456+, Z457+, Z458+, Z461+, Z463+, Z465+, Z466+, Z467+, Z469+, Z470+, Z471+, Z472+, Z474+, Z475+, Z476+, Z482+, Z489+, Z492+. If you have all the same set of + SNPs then you are likely Ashkenazi, If you have more or less, then your ancestry is different.
Best,"

Results
"When I look at your data, you are Z482+ and Z492+ and negative for all SNPs between Z477 and Z495 apart from these two."

P.S. I think I can rule out being related to King David based on the West Asian Origin.

No, Abraham came from northern Iraq. As mentioned, the Near East was a very unstable population during the last 1000 years due especially to the Mongols decimating Iraq etc. Today's Iraqis are often Arabian in origin. The former population was more similar to today's Caucasus population.

[dhunter93]

No, Abraham came from northern Iraq. As mentioned, the Near East was a very unstable population during the last 1000 years due especially to the Mongols decimating Iraq etc. Today's Iraqis are often Arabian in origin. The former population was more similar to today's Caucasus population.



Hi, I get that you are very invested in believing in the relationship between the Jewish people and the middle east but as for J2a-L210 it's from the west Asia and is Bronze age so max it's from 3,800 bc. That's not my opinion that's from the J2a project. That does not mean that jewish people don't carry it , it only mean it's not middle eastern in origin.

[Longbowman]

I think it means you're descended from King David (like me). Congrats (Mazel Tov).

There is no possible way you could know this for sure, if you mean 'direct descent.' If you just mean 'descent,' then the chances are nearly everyone in the world is in some way a descendant of King David, if he has any living descendants at all.

[Nurzat]

I am J-L210 (J2a1b3) as well. I don't know the exact subclade. is all J-L210 Jewish? I see it almost exclusively in Ukraine, Belarus, Russia etc, somehow around the Pale of Settlement so I wonder if it was brought here by Jews from elsewhere or could it be picked up here by the Jews from the locals that might have had it from a Caucasus source? as the hg initially did seem to appear in the Caucasus. anyway even if it'd be Jewish it's still so far back that I don't get any Ashkenazi signal on any autosomal run/calculator. still interesting to know, though. on Gedmatch matches I do get several American Jews, but on low overlap, 7cM segments

[Nurzat]

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y24492/

I might be under this clade by the Ukrainian location