Irish with Iberian/North African?

[JQP4545]

Any other Irish find that they have Iberian and North African on 23andMe? I've noticed that some of my matches who are Irish have 5-6% Southern European (generally Iberian) and North African. Where does this come from as 23andMe is accurate for modern populations (rather than prehistoric migrations)?

[Gaita]

Any other Irish find that they have Iberian and North African on 23andMe? I've noticed that some of my matches who are Irish have 5-6% Southern European (generally Iberian) and North African. Where does this come from as 23andMe is accurate for modern populations (rather than prehistoric migrations)?

Aren't you partially west African?

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Ireland and Iberia are very much genetically linked along with the rest of the british isles. Eskal Herria the Basque land anyhow...

[JQP4545]

Aren't you partially west African?

Right, but this comes from America. I'm talking about DNARelatives who are fully Irish, from Ireland.

[JQP4545]

Ireland and Iberia are very much genetically linked along with the rest of the british isles. Eskal Herria the Basque land anyhow...

But are they linked in terms of modern population movements?

[Gaita]

Right, but this comes from America. I'm talking about DNARelatives who are fully Irish, from Ireland.

Ah ok, so fully Irish people showing Iberian and NA?

[JQP4545]

Ah ok, so fully Irish people showing Iberian and NA?

Exactly, on 23andMe which is supposed to be based on modern populations.

[Lábaru]

what %?

Ah 5-6%, no, that's too high.

[The King, I am]

how many %?

[Graham]

You mean from the AC? I share with 6 Irish and 5 of them have 0% South European. The other 1 has like 5% & that majority is Italian. There's no trend in it.

[JQP4545]

One person 10%, another 1.6%, 8%, 1%, 2.1%, .3%, 4.2%

[JQP4545]

Some of my ancestors are from close to Spanish Point, County Clare so maybe its the Armada.

[Gaita]

Exactly, on 23andMe which is supposed to be based on modern populations.

Well, it supposedly traces back as far as 500 years, but, I'm assuming it goes further back if that's the case.

[JQP4545]

Well, it supposedly traces back as far as 500 years, but, I'm assuming it goes further back if that's the case.
That means before the era of modern travel, so basically modern populations before mass migrations and colonizations.

[Gaita]

One person 10%, another 1.6%, 8%, 1%, 2.1%, .3%, 4.2%

What are those percentages of, Iberian or NA?

[Lábaru]

Some of my ancestors are from close to Spanish Point, County Clare so maybe its the Armada.

yes, the Spaniards did never lose the sexual mood, even With the English army behind us, a chick is a chick.

[JQP4545]

What are those percentages of, Iberian or NA?
Iberian, North African, and Non-Specific Southern Euro

[Gaita]

Iberian, North African, and Non-Specific Southern Euro

Iberian or southern euro I could see, But NA?, no way.

I'm fully Iberian and I only score 0.1% NA.

[Graham]

Actually that 5%, I said. She might not be Irish, I don't know. She's the wife of an Irishman I shared with.

Here are the Irish results on Standard, that I share with. Including a poster from here called Jack B.

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[JQP4545]

96.8%
European

Northern European
74.1%
British & Irish
2.9%
French & German
0.3%
Scandinavian
8.5%
Nonspecific Northern European

Southern European
3.3%
Iberian
1.1%
Italian
3.4%
Nonspecific Southern European
0.3%
Ashkenazi
3.0%
Nonspecific European
2.7%
Middle Eastern & North African
2.3%
North African
0.3%
Nonspecific Middle Eastern & North African
0.1%
East Asian & Native American
0.1%
Native American
< 0.1%
Sub-Saharan African
< 0.1%
West African
0.3%
Unassigned

[JQP4545]

100%
European

Northern European
92.7%
British & Irish
4.5%
Nonspecific Northern European

Southern European
2.1%
Nonspecific Southern European
0.6%
Nonspecific European
< 0.1%
East Asian & Native American
< 0.1%
Nonspecific East Asian & Native American
< 0.1%
Unassigned

[JQP4545]

99.9%
European

Northern European
28.3%
French & German
27.3%
British & Irish
29.8%
Nonspecific Northern European

Southern European
2.6%
Iberian
4.9%
Nonspecific Southern European
0.7%
Eastern European
6.3%
Nonspecific European
0.1%
East Asian & Native American

East Asian
0.1%
Nonspecific East Asian
< 0.1%
Middle Eastern & North African
< 0.1%
North African
< 0.1%
Unassigned

[Dombra]

Atlantic fuckade :D

[Gaita]

JQP, from the results you posted, I honestly don't think any of them are of fully Irish people.

They look more like the results of mixed Americans.

[JQP4545]

JQP, from the results you posted, I honestly don't think any of them are of fully Irish people.

They look more like the results of mixed Americans.

So you think maybe they have some Spanish?

[Graham]

JQP, from the results you posted, I honestly don't think any of them are of fully Irish people.

They look more like the results of mixed Americans.

I think the second one is Irish or British.

Btw I score 2.2% South European on Spec. and 96.1% North.

[Gaita]

So you think maybe they have some Spanish?

No, I just think they are white North Americans of mixed ancestry.

[Gaston]

Irish people are such a small population and so monolithic that it's impossible for some of them to get these scores unless they mixed with foreigners in the last couple of centuries.

[Proctor]

Some of my ancestors are from close to Spanish Point, County Clare so maybe its the Armada.

Wut...

[Lábaru]

Wut...

we conquered America--->we fuck with Americans girls///we lost in British lands---->we fuck British girls, the result is always the same.

[Bloody]

Northern Iberia/Western france/Ireland and the UK, well the atlantid peoples and its derivates nothing new.

[JQP4545]

Irish people are such a small population and so monolithic that it's impossible for some of them to get these scores unless they mixed with foreigners in the last couple of centuries.

Lol, this is what I'm asking. Is there recent admixture from Iberia in some Irish people? Has there been enough movement of people from Spain to Ireland through trade and such that some Irish people have significant Iberian admixture? Particularly in the West.

[Gaita]

Lol, this is what I'm asking. Is there recent admixture from Iberia in some Irish people? Has there been enough movement of people from Spain to Ireland through trade and such that some Irish people have significant Iberian admixture? Particularly in the West.

No.....ok, maybe.....:shrug:

[Lábaru]

Lol, this is what I'm asking. Is there recent admixture from Iberia in some Irish people? Has there been enough movement of people from Spain to Ireland through trade and such that some Irish people have significant Iberian admixture? Particularly in the West.

jackson is English and If I remember correctly 9-13% Iberian I guess that's normal.

[Empecinado]

Lol, this is what I'm asking. Is there recent admixture from Iberia in some Irish people? Has there been enough movement of people from Spain to Ireland through trade and such that some Irish people have significant Iberian admixture? Particularly in the West.

There has been some movement in both directions. Ireland exported commodities to Spain and from 16th century up to 1818 there were always Irish in the Spanish army.

[Grace O'Malley]

Northern Iberia/Western france/Ireland and the UK, well the atlantid peoples and its derivates nothing new.

Haha. Not according to genetics. It would be nice if you were a bit more honest and objective.

[Grace O'Malley]

Any other Irish find that they have Iberian and North African on 23andMe? I've noticed that some of my matches who are Irish have 5-6% Southern European (generally Iberian) and North African. Where does this come from as 23andMe is accurate for modern populations (rather than prehistoric migrations)?

I haven't had my dna tested but maybe one day. I'm fully Irish so it would be interesting but I doubt there would be any surprises. Irish cluster with British and have very low diversity. They have less genetic diversity than English people being a bit more isolated. If they had North African dna they would cluster well away than where they do. I don't think the people you are talking about are from Ireland but most probably of mixed ancestry. It would be interesting if the Irish happened to be a bit unusual in their genetics but it doesn't appear to be the case.

[Smeagol]

There are a few Iberian, Atlanto-Mediterranid looking Irish, but the majority look like the English.

[Bloody]

Haha. Not according to genetics. It would be nice if you were a bit more honest and objective.


I'm talking about phenotypes. Its easy to tell apart Irish/Brits from other Northern europeans groups who look germanic/nordic.

[The King, I am]

North African admixture in Ireland is probably why you can find the "Black Irish"
Not that they are dark but if you put zidane next a random irishman, zidane who has redish skin will look way darker they are so pale

We had a Irish school visit ours in Denmark, Skin color-wise they were wayyyyy paler/white

[Gaston]

If they had North African dna they would cluster well away than where they do. I don't think the people you are talking about are from Ireland but most probably of mixed ancestry. It would be interesting if the Irish happened to be a bit unusual in their genetics but it doesn't appear to be the case.

Not just North Africa, even Iberian (or other kinds of non-British isles European ancestry) would make those Irish stand out and cluster far away from the tight cluster of native Irish people.


North African admixture in Ireland is probably why you can find the "Black Irish"
Not that they are dark but if you put zidane next a random irishman, zidane who has redish skin will look way darker they are so pale

We had a Irish school visit ours in Denmark, Skin color-wise they were wayyyyy paler/white

You really enjoy writing nonsense, don't you?

[LightHouse89]

Any other Irish find that they have Iberian and North African on 23andMe? I've noticed that some of my matches who are Irish have 5-6% Southern European (generally Iberian) and North African. Where does this come from as 23andMe is accurate for modern populations (rather than prehistoric migrations)?

your black :rolleyes: ehem part black or a protion black I mean :D

[JQP4545]

your black :rolleyes: ehem part black or a protion black I mean :D

???

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Any other Irish find that they have Iberian and North African on 23andMe? I've noticed that some of my matches who are Irish have 5-6% Southern European (generally Iberian) and North African. Where does this come from as 23andMe is accurate for modern populations (rather than prehistoric migrations)?

That is your greek and "french" ancestry.

[Atlantic Islander]

No, I just think they are white North Americans of mixed ancestry.

This.

Most Americans can't be 100% certain about their ancestry.

[Stanley]

I don't believe you.

From Cork, Kerry, and Mayo (speculative):

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee427/JH9020/Screenshot2014-01-20at104041PM_zpse52252d9.png


http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee427/JH9020/Screenshot2014-01-20at104202PM_zps08dce252.png


http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee427/JH9020/Screenshot2014-01-20at104119PM_zpsb43c4acd.png

[JQP4545]

That is your greek and "french" ancestry.

No my mom's side of the family does not have Greek and the French Canadians came from the North, I believe they cluster with the English. Also I'm finding people who match me on segments that say Southern Europe, but their ancestors came from Ireland. Ever heard of a book called, "When Scotland was Jewish"? Could be a Sephardic connection because many of the surnames are Scottish/English.

[Septentrion]

Any other Irish find that they have Iberian and North African on 23andMe? I've noticed that some of my matches who are Irish have 5-6% Southern European (generally Iberian) and North African. Where does this come from as 23andMe is accurate for modern populations (rather than prehistoric migrations)?

Northern Africa? No!
This is more accurate from the Genographic Project 2.0 Next Generation:
If you are a native of Ireland.
Irish population:
79% (Great Britain & Ireland)
11% (Scandinavian)
6% (Southern Europe)
4% (Western & Central Europe)