If I told you Miss Greece was Latina, what would you classify her as?

[Sikeliot]

I decided to redo this.

If I said she was Mexican, how would you classify her? Pretend you DO NOT know she is Greek.


http://beautypageantnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Miss-Universe-Greece-2013-Anastasia-Sidiropoulou.jpg
http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd442/GothicMadAngel/291960_2112447973896_2034417513_n.jpg
http://beautycontestupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Miss-greece-2012-Anastasia-Sidiropoulou.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q81/s720x720/10311_378643908936002_1777472610_n.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Europe/01_AnastasiaHeadshot_2187.jpg~original
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Europe/web-35-greecejpg.jpg~original

[StonyArabia]

Yes I would think Mexican and Latino, and probably Turkish. Greeks, Bulgarians often look very swarthy, funny two swarthy Bulgarians keep talking about brown people despite themselves being only shade lighter.

[Black Wolf]

She could easily just be part of the normal variation that exists in Greece.

[Tooting Carmen]

She looks "Latina" in a vague sort of way, though looking at these photos again I'd say Cuban or Puerto Rican before Mexican.

[Mortimer]

harnizo. because of pigmentation and high cheekbones mainly. i dont see clear amerindian features though she is alpine-med with probably a slight turanid

[Sikeliot]

She looks "Latina" in a vague sort of way, though looking at these photos again I'd say Cuban or Puerto Rican before Mexican.

She could be an "offwhite" type from anywhere in Latin America I think. But in terms of racially, what would you guess had I not told you, of the poll choices?

[MissProvocateur]

People would claim she has amerindian influences because she would be Latina. Those saying they wouldn't are usually lying.

[Tooting Carmen]

But in terms of racially, what would you guess had I not told you, of the poll choices?

Castiza nay dark White.

[StonyArabia]

Greeks did assimilate Christian Turkic groups.

[Sikeliot]

Greeks did assimilate Christian Turkic groups.

Might explain Greeks on 23andme scoring very minor Amerindian, Yakut, Mongolian, and Japanese percentages (less than 1% but still).

[Tim O'Brien]

Greeks did assimilate Christian Turkic groups.
I heard that some Christian Turkic group still exist in Balkan, like Gagauz

[blogen]

She is clear Caucasoid. The majority of the Caucasoids are Swarthy, for example the Mediterranids. This Greek girl are basically and Indid (med subtype):

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3873/n8tk.jpg
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3577/bzb6.jpg

But this is not suprise, all Mediterranids origin from Southwest Asia. And there were lot of migration wave since the Neolithic times.

[Black Wolf]

Might explain Greeks on 23andme scoring very minor Amerindian, Yakut, Mongolian, and Japanese percentages (less than 1% but still).

Those very minor percentages could easily be noise ie. not real.

[Sikeliot]

She's nowhere near Indid. She has high Asiatic cheekbones.

[Black Wolf]

I heard that some Christian Turkic group still exist in Balkan, like Gagauz

Yes that is true. Genetically though they are most similar to native Balkan peoples.

[blogen]

She's nowhere near Indid. She has high Asiatic cheekbones.

No, she has rounded cheekbone. Not the wide cheekbone is the Mongoloid form, but the flat.

[StonyArabia]

I heard that some Christian Turkic group still exist in Balkan, like Gagauz

Gaguaz are one indeed, but other Turkic groups like Avars, Cumans, Pecheng.

[Tim O'Brien]

Gaguaz are one indeed, but other Turkic groups like Avars, Cumans, Pecheng.
Avars? Is that Avars from Caucasian moutains (Kavkaz)?

[Trun]

Yes I would think Mexican and Latino, and probably Turkish. Greeks, Bulgarians often look very swarthy, funny two swarthy Bulgarians keep talking about brown people despite themselves being only shade lighter.

You're exactly a textbook midget mongrel so go suck some balls, you can do it even standing :laugh:

[StonyArabia]

Avars? Is that Avars from Caucasian moutains (Kavkaz)?

No Caucasian Avars are not related to the Avars who were in the Balkans. The Avars in the Balkans were Oghur Turks who invaded in the 4th century A.D. They came from the Volga region. Well the Avars from the Kavkaz are more related to other NorthEast Caucasians.

[Tim O'Brien]

No Caucasian Avars are not related to the Avars who were in the Balkans. The Avars in the Balkans were Oghur Turks who invaded in the 4th century A.D. They came from the Volga region. Well the Avars from the Kavkaz are more related to other NorthEast Caucasians.
So the Avars that invaded Balkans were central Asians and Avars from the Kavkaz are more related to NorthEast Caucasians like Chechen. Lezgins...etc? I got it

[blogen]

So the Avars that invaded Balkans were central Asians and Avars from the Kavkaz are more related to NorthEast Caucasians like Chechen. Lezgins...etc? I got it

Only their name is similar accidentally.

[StonyArabia]

So the Avars that invaded Balkans were central Asians and Avars from the Kavkaz are more related to NorthEast Caucasians like Chechen. Lezgins...etc? I got it

Yes indeed. The Avars are Nakh-Dagestani people who had no relationship with the Turkic Avars.

[Yuffayur]

People would claim she has amerindian influences because she would be Latina. Those saying they wouldn't are usually lying.

The fact is TE people don't stop telling shits i've posted my pictures, i said classify my spanish friend all people said Atlanto-med even one said Atlanto-med + some borebby influences , some month later i posted my pictures and i asked them to classify me, all people said berberid, then i've understood that TEforumist are :loco:

[blogen]

The fact is TE people don't stop telling shits i've posted my pictures, i said classify my spanish friend all people said Atlanto-med even one said Atlanto-med + some borebby influences , some month later i posted my pictures and i asked them to classify me, all people said berberid, then i've understood that TEforumist are :loco:

Oh, this is usual here. Everytime the stranger swarthy is the more swarthy. Maybe I wait for three months and I post this girl as a Boollywood actress:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Europe/web-35-greecejpg.jpg~original

[Tooting Carmen]

Oh, this is usual here. Everytime the stranger swarthy is the more swarthy. Maybe I wait for three months and I post this girl as a Bollywood actress:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Europe/web-35-greecejpg.jpg~original

Indeed

[Sikeliot]

Well she could pass anywhere that people are dark and slightly racially ambiguous.

[Smeagol]

She is clearly a pure Caucasoid.

[Yuffayur]

Oh, this is usual here. Everytime the stranger swarthy is the more swarthy. Maybe I wait for three months and I post this girl as a Boollywood actress:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Europe/web-35-greecejpg.jpg~original

Yeah you have to try this :thumb001:

[Trun]

What I've learnt from my 2 year stay in Apricity is: Southern Europeans look either Western/Central/Eastern European or West Asian/North African. Euro-Med looks are minority among Southern Europeans.

[Mehmet]

Greeks did assimilate Christian Turkic groups.

There's nothing Turk or Turkic about that woman.
She's a Med, with her big round eyes, with some high cheeks and that's all.

Telling 'Castizo' or 'Harnizo' look Turk is also bs and an insult.
These people are Amerindid-Med mixed race people.

Turks don't have either Med or Amerindid in them.

In terms of global 'look' it's possible. But that doesn't mean anything.
There are Castizos having light brown hair and relatively lighter skin who could 'pass' in Central Europe.
So what?

[Faklon]

Some pictures without that much make-up.

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[Sikeliot]

Definitely more normal looking now for a European standard, but still slightly off.

[Faklon]

Kinda but you can look up better pictures before you get Atlantids/Meds wih bleached hair classified as Nordics,Arabids with surgery as Alpines and things like that unless this thing has more to do with appearances no matter how modified.

[Faklon]

Greeks did assimilate Christian Turkic groups.

Proof?And specifically for Greece(land)?

Even the Ottoman rulers were natives and Albanians afaik.

[adamw781]

It's interesting - often South East Europeans and Mestizos have a phenotypic overlap. I put Harnizo.

[Faklon]

It's interesting - often South East Europeans and Mestizos have a phenotypic overlap. I put Harnizo.

Probably it's the Mestizos that are no Mestizos but Iberians,althought there may be some Dinaromorphs in Latin America that give this vibe,not in this case imo.

[Maleficent]

I think she passes as Castiza in Latína America.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I am not going to lie... I would assume she be some form of mestiza from the first pic. From the others though not as much.

[Faklon]

Facial structure of the guy on the right in post 32 4th picture looks closer to Native Americans than this girl(doesn't mean he's related to them or Mongoloids).

[Also]

I'd probably think she is part amerindian, and over 10%.


People would claim she has amerindian influences because she would be Latina. Those saying they wouldn't are usually lying.

This brazilian on front was classified as a mestizo by some people here. I mean, it is normal that exists exotic europeans, so there will also be exotic euro-latin americans who lack amerindian or black blood, and in this case it would be understandable to make the mistake of classifying someone wrongly. But the bias you see in these forums towards latin americans is just ridiculous.

http://msalx.claudia.abril.com.br/2012/08/03/1509/7FSxd/murilo-endres-atletas-bonitos-londres-2012.jpg?1344018224

[MissProvocateur]

I'd probably think she is part amerindian, and over 10%.



This brazilian on front was classified as a mestizo by some people here. I mean, it is normal that exists exotic europeans, so there will also be exotic euro-latin americans who lack amerindian or black blood, and in this case it would be understandable to make the mistake of classifying someone wrongly. But the bias you see in these forums towards latin americans is just ridiculous.

http://msalx.claudia.abril.com.br/2012/08/03/1509/7FSxd/murilo-endres-atletas-bonitos-londres-2012.jpg?1344018224


Hey, apparently we are all Amerindians in this forum if we are born in Latin America. :coffee:

I actually asked them to classify both my parents, without telling them where they were born, and they gave me prefectly white classifications. But had I told them they were born here, they would have called them "Mestizos!" in the blink of an eye. Because god forbid Latin Americans can be white.

[Carlito's Way]

i would guess her to be harniza, and barely making it on that range
she can pass for a mexican easily and in the southwest she would have no problem fitting in with the mexican population here

[SardiniaAtlantis]

What do you want to marry her?

[Shah-Jehan]

I agree with Blogen, a swarthy fully Caucasoid Greek...

[Carlito's Way]

What do you want to marry her?

who are you talking to?

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Lol you said she would have no problem fitting in with the population there... just makes me recall how people say that when they are going to marry somebody.

[Hellenas]

Greeks did assimilate Christian Turkic groups.

Nope never. Asia Minor Greeks were Greeks not "Turks".

THE DNA OF THE INHABITANTS OF GREECE
(by Aristotle University of Thessaloniki)

"The Greeks at a rate of 99.5% are Caucasians (white). The contribution to the genetic makeup of the Greeks from other groups (blacks or Mongolians) is of a minimal percentage (less than 0.5%)."

http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thread/44/updated-dna-inhabitants-greece


Greeks, Bulgarians often look very swarthy

http://static.myworld.gr/assets/media/Top/summer%202010%20b/90036.jpg

It's due to sun exposure as well.

[Carlito's Way]

Lol you said she would have no problem fitting in with the population there... just makes me recall how people say that when they are going to marry somebody.

LOL no i dont want to marry her, although shes not bad looking
would you marry her?

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Lol not at the moment.

[Gauthier]

I had a girlfriend who looked somewhat like her.
In some pics she looks Harniza in others Castizoid, either way, I would guess her to be a predominantly caucasoid Mestiza (euro-mestiza).

[Smaug]

She does look Mexican.

[blogen]

It's due to sun exposure as well.

The dark-brown hair and eyes? ;)

[Hellenas]

The dark-brown hair and eyes? ;)

When he says that Greeks and Bulgarians are often swarthy he mean skin color not hairs and eyes.

[blogen]

When he says that Greeks and Bulgarians are often swarthy he mean skin color not hairs and eyes.

She is light creole or olive skinned. So the skin color is suitable to the swarthiness and the hair and eye color are absolutely suitable.

[Hellenas]

She is light creole or olive skinned.

http://mostcold.com/photos/2010/06/Creole1Queen_EP_Album-Cover_1000x1000.jpg
light creole

http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/590/draft_lens18489531module153142293photo_1315627852p enelope-cruz-1.jpg
olive skinned


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VsXDB_jvfY
White

[blogen]

The creole is a skin color too. All not white skin color of the Caucasoids is creole.

[Shah-Jehan]

She's nowhere near Indid. She has high Asiatic cheekbones.

No she doesn't. Sikeliot, I don't get it, whenever you see a peculiar looking Greek or one who's swarthy, you think they could pass as Mestiza or something and are partially of non-Greek origin, like the time you said the Golden dawn leader must have some non-Greek admixture. Are you trying to white-wash the Greeks further more? I saw you voting for Greece on the who is whiter thread between Greece and Bosnia BTW:rolleyes:

[blogen]

No she doesn't. Sikeliot, I don't get it, whenever you see a peculiar looking Greek or one who's swarthy, you think they could pass as Mestiza or something and are partially of non-Greek origin, like the time you said the Golden dawn leader must have some non-Greek admixture. Are you trying to white-wash the Greeks further more? I saw you voting for Greece on the who is whiter thread between Greece and Bosnia BTW:rolleyes:

We do not call this type for an Indid in Europe. But the character is identical. This does not mean it that he is strange. Maybe her ancestors come to Europe with the neolithic settlers, maybe with the Greek settlers, or the Phoenicians, or ... etc. But she is an Indid type mediterranid from Greece now. All mediterranids origin from Southwest Asia and all mediterranid character born in Southeast Asia, but some of them are partially depigmented in Europe.

[Sikeliot]

No she doesn't. Sikeliot, I don't get it, whenever you see a peculiar looking Greek or one who's swarthy, you think they could pass as Mestiza or something and are partially of non-Greek origin, like the time you said the Golden dawn leader must have some non-Greek admixture. Are you trying to white-wash the Greeks further more? I saw you voting for Greece on the who is whiter thread between Greece and Bosnia BTW:rolleyes:

I do the same thing when I see a mixed-race looking Italian or Spaniard. Swarthy is one thing -- looking mixed race is another! I happen to think this woman is not just swarthy but looks mestiza.

[Shah-Jehan]

I do the same thing when I see a mixed-race looking Italian or Spaniard. Swarthy is one thing -- looking mixed race is another! I happen to think this woman is not just swarthy but looks mestiza.

So, why did you vote for Greece in the poll again?:laugh:

[Trun]

So, why did you vote for Greece in the poll again?:laugh:

Who cares what he voted on a retarded poll. Both Bosnians and Greeks are white. But Greeks are more culturally European.

[Also]

Who cares what he voted on a retarded poll. Both Bosnians and Greeks are white. But Greeks are more culturally European.

It is not retarded. This topic approachs a very valid and real point, that race classifications on the internet are largely biased and fail to accurately describe people's origin, people guess what they guess because they already know or mistakenly believe to know the subject's ancestry.

[kabeiros]

Just an other alpine/med and quite beautiful indeed

http://a.media.gossip-tv.gr/items/cache/2d351b758683df170ee645232fac9b54_L.jpg

[Also]

Just an other alpine/med and quite beautiful indeed


Yeah on this pic. But compare to the ones Sikeliot posted.

[Hadouken]

She is clearly a pure Caucasoid.

this

she seems to be an alpinized eastmed to me

that simple

[Smeagol]

She is pure Caucasoid.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I would say, Fully Caucasoid/Criolla. because of I am not Ignorant who think "Latino" or "Hispanic" is a race and a "Latino" or "Hispanic" look... I would say she was Fully or Pred Euro(Criolla) if you said she was from Latin America, looks like a Alpine-East Med.

[Smeagol]

this

she seems to be an alpinized eastmed to me

that simple

Yes she is Alpinized Mediterranid.

[kabeiros]

Let's see an other Greek ''Latina'', Maria Tsagaraki
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fU6gw6LZC40/TMbkiqCZFrI/AAAAAAAALhU/SYArmsItEMI/s1600/IMG_8683.jpg

I'm sure that Sikeliot will classify her as a mestiza, maybe even full Amerindian

But if I show him an other picture of her and tell him that she's Spanish or French
http://www.prevelakis.com/Gallery/MissWorld2012/Face_BW_U8E4112.jpg

he 'll probably call her atlanto-med

[Tropico]

To me she does look Latin American (Euro with minor Amerindian) in the first pics. But with the hair and makeup which is very stereotypical Latin American pageant form of course she could give off a Latina vibe. In the other pics people posted after she looks more East Med but she could pass maybe as a Euro with very minor Amerindian to anyone who's just glancing. IMO anyways.

[Sikeliot]

So, why did you vote for Greece in the poll again?:laugh:

Bosnians are Muslim and as such less culturally European than Greeks. Why the fuck you care what I voted on some thread anyway, mind your business.

[Shah-Jehan]

Bosnians are Muslim and as such less culturally European than Greeks. Why the fuck you care what I voted on some thread anyway, mind your business.

and you're suppose to be a helpful administrator, sure, that is exactly the reason, I will never ask you anything...

[Sikeliot]

and you're suppose to be a helpful administrator, sure, that is exactly the reason, I will never ask you anything...

How am I being unhelpful? You're harassing me, and I am not going to respond well to it.

[blogen]

The Alpinid's jaw are more characteristic, and Anastasia has almost perfect oval shape face with almond shape eyes. There are no Alpinids or Alpinid influenced form with this character of the face. She is an Alpino-Med for example:

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Maria+Valverde+Los+Abrazos+Rotos+Broken+Embraces+I _OBhyF62WRl.jpg

[Hellenas]

I do the same thing when I see a mixed-race looking Italian or Spaniard. Swarthy is one thing -- looking mixed race is another! I happen to think this woman is not just swarthy but looks mestiza.

Why only Italian or Spaniard. I have start thinking you are a Nordic troll. Else, why don't you do the same thing for central and northern Europeans?

[ficuscarica]

Proof that Greeks aren´t white.

[Sikeliot]

Why only Italian or Spaniard. I have start thinking you are a Nordic troll. Else, why don't you do the same thing for central and northern Europeans?

If I saw someone being posted as a full Brit who looked mixed I'd say so. Where have you been when I have tried to tell people that Victoria Beckham and Lily Allen look mixed?

[Trun]

If I saw someone being posted as a full Brit who looked mixed I'd say so. Where have you been when I have tried to tell people that Victoria Beckham and Lily Allen look mixed?

Lily Allen mixed? She looks quite typical Brit. Brunn probably.

Beckham is more atypical but still I don't see anything foreign in her.

[Tooting Carmen]

Lily Allen mixed? She looks quite typical Brit. Brunn probably.

Beckham is more atypical but still I don't see anything foreign in her.

Agreed.

[iNird]

She looks pred alpine/med. Could fit in southern europe and turkey. South Americans vary in phenotype and even race. I would not assume she was "latina" if I saw her.

[Hellenas]

If I saw someone being posted as a full Brit who looked mixed I'd say so. Where have you been when I have tried to tell people that Victoria Beckham and Lily Allen look mixed?

Why only about brunettes? Why don't you do that also for blond Germans and Swedes?

[Mehmet]

This white mania reaches foolish levels.

Whites are people who distinguish themselves from both Congoid and Mongoloid people with all their features.

White person:
Fully Caucasoid skull with thin straight nose, light hair (maximum light brown), light eyes (maximum light brown), pale white skin.
If all these conditions are met with light brown hair and light brown eyes; it's still questionnable (one should preferably be clearly colored).

All of these physical conditions need to be met in order to call someone white.
If you have hair color similar to China people (brown or more), or your skin color (olive), then you are not white.

Therefore Iberians, Southern French, Italy, Greeks + Balkans until most parts of Central Europe, non-typical Eastern Slavs aren't White people.
You just have few white minorities in these lands, at various rates. But much less than half.

Simple as that.

[Sargent Willdrillya]

mmhmm thats one hot greek woman