Europeans, how "Mideast" are you?

[JQP4545]

People who are mostly European descent, how much do your "Middle-East" components add up to on the calculators? Doesn't matter which calculator. For me, from the Dodecad K12b:

Population
Gedrosia 7.83%
Northwest_African 0.94%
Atlantic_Med 35.44%
North_European 35.26%
South_Asian 0.18%
East_African 0.12%
Southwest_Asian 1.82%
East_Asian 0.35%
Caucasus 16.93%
Sub_Saharan 1.12%

I am 26.76% Mideast according to this; 2.18% African; 70.7% European, and .35% East Asian. Just want to know how this compares to other Euros.

[Oneeye]

Gedrosia 10.31%
Siberian 0.73%
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 37.35%
North_European 42.11%
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.60%
East_Asian -
Caucasus 7.89%
Sub_Saharan -


19.8% for me.

[Black Wolf]

My results. We should really be using the Eurogenes calculators though as they are more accurate. They do not suffer form the calculator effect. For whatever it's worth mine add up to 24.39%

Population
Gedrosia 8.42%
Siberian 2.46%
Northwest_African 0.47%
Southeast_Asian 0.64%
Atlantic_Med 29.83%
North_European 42.11%
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.84%
East_Asian -
Caucasus 12.13%
Sub_Saharan 0.10%

[JQP4545]

My results. We should really be using the Eurogenes calculators though as they are more accurate. They do not suffer form the calculator effect.

Population
Gedrosia 8.42%
Siberian 2.46%
Northwest_African 0.47%
Southeast_Asian 0.64%
Atlantic_Med 29.83%
North_European 42.11%
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.84%
East_Asian -
Caucasus 12.13%
Sub_Saharan 0.10%

I don't believe they have the Gedrosia component.

[Black Wolf]

I don't believe they have the Gedrosia component.

What is Gedrosia anyways exactly?

[JQP4545]

What is Gedrosia anyways exactly?

Well it comes from Northern India/Persia so it is an ancient Mideast component that is found in most Western Europeans' DNA.

[Black Wolf]

Well it comes from Northern India/Persia so it is an ancient Mideast component that is found in most Wester Europeans DNA.

True I know it is found in most European groups at varying degrees.

[orangepulp]

I'm not European but posting my Middle Eastern results anyway

Caucasus: 51.2%
Gedrosia: 17%
Atlantic_Med: 10.5%
Southwest_Asian: 9.2%
North_European: 6.3%
Siberian: 2.9%
East_Asian: 2.9%
Northwest_African: 0%
Southeast_Asian: 0%
South_Asian: 0%
East_African: 0%
Sub_Saharan: 0%

I'm 77.4% Middle Eastern
16.8% European
5.8% Asian

[xajapa]

Population
Gedrosia 9.08%
Siberian 0.67%
Northwest_African 1.31%
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 34.41%
North_European 40.44%
South_Asian 0.56%
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.48%
East_Asian -
Caucasus 11.07%
Sub_Saharan -
Total: 22.63%

By the way, heeding Jaxman's advice, here are my EU test results (Eurogenes):
Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 13.23%
EAST_EURO 11.25%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 23.19%
ATLANTIC 23.53%
WEST_MED 13.43%
EAST_MED 6.01%
WEST_ASIAN 7.63%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.95%
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.77%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

East Med, West Asian and Middle eastern are all good proxies for this exercise. Total: 14.59%

[JQP4545]

EUTest

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 10.45%
EAST_EURO 10.98%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 21.97%
ATLANTIC 22.67%
WEST_MED 14.54%
EAST_MED 10.29%
WEST_ASIAN 7.69%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.34%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.17%
WEST_AFRICAN 0.90%

Total: 18.32%

[JQP4545]

Btw the Eurogenes tests aren't good for detecting African admixture. Its always a few points too low for me.

[MfA_]

Well it comes from Northern India/Persia so it is an ancient Mideast component that is found in most Western Europeans' DNA.

That's a relic of ancient mammoth hunter-gatherers..

[orangepulp]

My EU test

SOUTH_BALTIC 3.05%
EAST_EURO 2.42%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 3.77%
ATLANTIC 3.06%
WEST_MED 8.75%
EAST_MED 32.10%
WEST_ASIAN 33.82%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 6.18%
SOUTH_ASIAN 1.85%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.20%
EAST_ASIAN 1.14%
SIBERIAN 3.64%
WEST_AFRICAN -


72.1% Middle Eastern

[Graham]

Gedrosia is an interesting one, it is high in Brits/Irish. It comes from the Baloch People (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloch_people), Some ancient link.

[xajapa]

Gedrosia is an interesting one, it is high in Brits/Irish. It comes from the Baloch People (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloch_people), Some ancient link.

I would say related to R1b, at least through the y-dna.

[xajapa]

Mine is a little higher using Eurogenes K13:
Population
North_Atlantic 41.33%
Baltic 23.88%
West_Med 14.92%
West_Asian 8.86%
East_Med 6.04%
Red_Sea 1.78%
South_Asian 1.61%
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.07%
Amerindian 0.36%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.15%
Sub-Saharan -

Total: 16.68%

[JQP4545]

Eurogenes K13:
Population
North_Atlantic 37.81%
Baltic 21.65%
West_Med 15.88%
West_Asian 7.58%
East_Med 13.80%
South_Asian 1.69%
Siberian 0.35%
Oceanian 0.25%
Northeast_African 0.62%
Sub-Saharan 0.36%

Total: 21.38%

[Graham]

13.92% MidEast -- K12B Dodecad
05.73% MidEast -- EUtest Eurogenes
08.14% MidEast -- K13 Eurogenes

[xajapa]

Eurogenes K13:
Population
North_Atlantic 37.81%
Baltic 21.65%
West_Med 15.88%
West_Asian 7.58%
East_Med 13.80%
South_Asian 1.69%
Siberian 0.35%
Oceanian 0.25%
Northeast_African 0.62%
Sub-Saharan 0.36%

Total: 21.38%

I imagine your East Med is through your Hellenic ancestry?

[JQP4545]

^^^ Most likely. Greece is practically Middle East genetically.

[Sikeliot]

Dodecad Globe13:

SW Asian: 11.4
West Asian: 12.5
Total: 23.9%

[Anglojew]

Interesting results. I wondered about this.

[JQP4545]

Interesting results. I wondered about this.
Can you elaborate? Which results are interesting/why?

[Anglojew]

Can you elaborate? Which results are interesting/why?

I just wondered about how "ME" West Europeans were.

[Black Wolf]

That's a relic of ancient mammoth hunter-gatherers..

I thought the North European component is the main relic of the mammoth steppe hunter-gatherers?

[MfA_]

I thought the North European component is the main relic of the mammoth steppe hunter-gatherers?

NE is only one of the pillars.. Mal'ta boy was ancestral for both of the NE, ANI and Siberian/Amerindian components..

[Black Wolf]

NE is only one of the pillars.. Mal'ta boy was ancestral both for NE, ANI and Siberian/Amerindian

Right right. I ahve a feeling that the North European has more mammoth steppe/hyperborean hunter-gatherer alleles in it though than the Gedrosia or Caucasus type components though on the whole.

[Black Wolf]

Eurogenes results for moi.

K13

Population
North_Atlantic 37.20%
Baltic 27.20%
West_Med 11.37%
West_Asian 7.31%
East_Med 9.84%
Red_Sea 1.40%
South_Asian 1.31%
East_Asian 0.40%
Siberian 1.53%
Amerindian 1.17%
Oceanian 1.15%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.11%

EUtest:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 12.16%
EAST_EURO 17.21%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 23.61%
ATLANTIC 17.74%
WEST_MED 10.52%
EAST_MED 10.16%
WEST_ASIAN 5.54%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.01%
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.16%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.23%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 1.66%
WEST_AFRICAN -

[MfA_]

Right right. I ahve a feeling that the North European has more mammoth steppe/hyperborean hunter-gatherer alleles in it though than the Gedrosia or Caucasus type components though on the whole.

I'm not sure of that, although it is sligthly Mal'ta had more South Asian like ancestry than North European (37% vs 34%).. Caucasus is more a recent thing, it is pred neolitic West Asian with composite of minor ANI and NE influences, so it is out of window..

[Black Wolf]

I'm not sure of that, although it is sligthly Mal'ta had more South Asian like ancestry than North European (37% vs 34%).. Caucasus is more a recent thing, it is pred neolitic West Asian with composite of minor ANI and NE influences, so it is out of window..

Polako thinks that both the North Euro and West Asian/Caucasus components have quite a bit of hyperborean hunter-gatherer alleles in them with the North Euro component having the most.

[JQP4545]

IMO it doesn't matter how old the Gedrosia is it is still a Mid-East component.

[MfA_]

IMO it doesn't matter how old the Gedrosia is it is still a Mid-East component.

It is not European that's for sure, whether it is ''Middle Eastern'' or not is debatable..

[JQP4545]

It is not European that's for sure, whether it is ''Middle Eastern'' or not is debatable..

What else would it be?

[Damião de Góis]

On k12b i get:

Gedrosia 6.11%
Southwest_Asian 0.84%
Caucasus 13.81%

[Harkonnen]

NE is only one of the pillars.. Mal'ta boy was ancestral for both of the NE, ANI and Siberian/Amerindian components..

Indeed. Now let us close our left eye so we can see better or maybe squint a little.


Polako thinks that both the North Euro and West Asian/Caucasus components have quite a bit of hyperborean hunter-gatherer alleles in them with the North Euro component having the most.

blaablaa Polako thinks blaablaa Polako thinks

[Black Wolf]

Indeed. Now let us close our left eye so we can see better or maybe squint a little.



blaablaa Polako thinks blaablaa Polako thinks

You really are stupid aren't you?

[The King, I am]

0.05 i guess since my mun scored 0.1

[Jusarius]

My Middle Eastern scores:

Eurogenes K13: 1.55 %
Eurogenes EUtest 0.00 %
Dodecad K12b 6.42 %


No wonder I don't like sand.

[Mazik]

Dodecad k12b: 13.55%

[Atlantic Islander]

Which calculators?

[Mazik]

Which calculators?

Dodecad k12b.
And some people have also done it with Eurogenes k13 and EUTest.

[Atlantic Islander]

Dodecad k12b.
And some people have also done it with Eurogenes k13 and EUTest.

Thanks.

[Atlantic Islander]

Dodecad K12b:
Gedrosia 5.74%
Southwest_Asian 5.34%
Caucasus 9.87%

EUtest:
EAST_MED 11.05%
WEST_ASIAN 0.05%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 7.95%

EUtest V2:
West_Asian 1.21%
East_Med 12.34%
Red_Sea 3.37%

Eurogenes K13:
West_Asian 1.92%
East_Med 14.77%
Red_Sea 3.62%

[Smeagol]

I'm around 3% Southwest Asian. I don't consider Caucasus to be Middle Eastern.

[Jusarius]

Dodecad K12b:
Gedrosia 5.74%
Southwest_Asian 5.34%
Caucasus 9.87%


Some (including me) have included South Asian to their mideast score in Dodecad K12b. Or was it 0% for you?

[Insuperable]

I'm around 3% Southwest Asian. I don't consider Caucasus to be Middle Eastern.

You are non-white

[Smeagol]

You are non-white

But superior to South Europeans.

[Insuperable]

But superior to South Europeans.

Obviously

[Atlantic Islander]

Some (including me) have included South Asian to their mideast score in Dodecad K12b. Or was it 0% for you?

Wasn't certain if I should add the South Asian or not.

Dodecad K12b:
South_Asian 1.11%

EUtest:
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.46%

EUtest V2:
South_Asian -

Eurogenes K13:
South_Asian -

[sonofthedutch]

EU
EAST_MED 4.97%
WEST_ASIAN 4.26%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -

k12b
Gedrosia 7.69%
South_Asian -
Southwest_Asian 0.53%
Caucasus 9.27%

[Óttar]

My Y DNA is solidly Viking from the Norse who settled in Great Britain and Ireland ( I1 (A) called "Ultra Norse")

My maternal DNA is H which is the most commonly occurring mtDNA haplogroup in Europe, with 40% of Europeans having this genetic marker.

In my mtDNA there were a handful of Jews, both Ashkenazi and Sephardic, but at that point in history I would have had thousands upon thousands of predecessors and so that is no reason for me to start singing "Have a Nargila."

[Sehnsucht]

My mom and her sister seems to show high (but not stratospheric) percentages of Mideast on these calculators, more so than the average for their ancestry. We'll start out with my mom then I'll add her sister, her mother, and myself.

MY MOTHER

K12b Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 9.64%
Siberian 1.28%
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 35.50%
North_European 41.93%
South_Asian 0.18%
East_African 0.05%
Southwest_Asian 1.51%
East_Asian -
Caucasus 9.88%
Sub_Saharan -

Total 21.21%


EUTest


Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 14.01%
EAST_EURO 10.80%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.83%
ATLANTIC 24.13%
WEST_MED 10.83%
EAST_MED 5.16%
WEST_ASIAN 6.68%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.08%
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.76%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 0.72%
WEST_AFRICAN -

Total 11.92%

Eurogenes K13


Population
North_Atlantic 44.87%
Baltic 23.51%
West_Med 13.35%
West_Asian 8.69%
East_Med 5.63%
Red_Sea 1.06%
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.12%
Siberian 1.52%
Amerindian 0.24%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Total 15.38%

[Szegedist]

At least 80%

[Drawing-slim]

How is Caucasus considered ME? since when?! Or do I've to learn geography all over again!

[MfA_]

How is Caucasus considered ME? since when?! Or do I've to learn geography all over again!

Why not?
If you change from the colonial definition-Middle East to Western Asia.. They are closer to Iranians and Turks than they are closer to immediate European neighbours Russians and Ukranians.. Northern Caucasus's not considered European until last centuries..

[Sehnsucht]

Here is my aunt

Dodecad K12b


Population
Gedrosia 10.21%
Siberian 1.30%
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 37.50%
North_European 40.02%
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.47%
East_Asian -
Caucasus 9.50%
Sub_Saharan -

Total 21.12%

EUTest


Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 13.59%
EAST_EURO 9.00%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.27%
ATLANTIC 26.49%
WEST_MED 10.73%
EAST_MED 7.52%
WEST_ASIAN 6.06%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.40%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.19%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 0.74%
WEST_AFRICAN -

Total 13.58%

Eurogenes K13


Population
North_Atlantic 45.36%
Baltic 22.95%
West_Med 13.24%
West_Asian 8.89%
East_Med 5.31%
Red_Sea 1.49%
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.33%
Siberian 0.83%
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.59%
Sub-Saharan -

Total 15.69%

[Gaston]

It's unclear to everybody what "Middle Eastern" is. The expression itself is vague. Not to mention the components don't represent the same migrations/ancestry for all populations.

The least inaccurate way to define non-European ancestry is to only count North European components as European/non-Middle Eastern. West Asian should be counted as West Asian, not Middle Eastern (although West Asians are clearly Middle Eastern) because it has the same high East Eurasian admix as the North European component, that's why the fst distance between the two is usually the smallest.

[Sehnsucht]

And here is my grandmother



Dodecad K12b

Population
Gedrosia 10.88%
Siberian 0.09%
Northwest_African 0.42%
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 37.92%
North_European 41.21%
South_Asian 0.09%
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.55%
East_Asian -
Caucasus 7.84%
Sub_Saharan -

Total 20.27%


EUTest

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 13.54%
EAST_EURO 9.97%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 24.55%
ATLANTIC 28.09%
WEST_MED 9.84%
EAST_MED 7.79%
WEST_ASIAN 5.34%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.77%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.08%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

Total 13.13%

Eurogenes K13

Population
North_Atlantic 48.62%
Baltic 21.09%
West_Med 13.42%
West_Asian 10.29%
East_Med 2.82%
Red_Sea 1.11%
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.00%
Siberian 0.68%
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.50%
Sub-Saharan 0.46%

Total 14.22%

[Sikeliot]

"East Med" should not be considered Middle Eastern should it?

[MINARDOWICZ]

Gedrosia 10.31%
Siberian 0.73%
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 37.35%
North_European 42.11%
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.60%
East_Asian -
Caucasus 7.89%
Sub_Saharan -


19.8% for me.

Interesting, what is your ethnic makeup?

[Gaston]

"East Med" should not be considered Middle Eastern should it?

West Med and East Med are according to David very similar and mostly Neolithic. West Asian has a lot of "hyperborean" (East Eurasian admixed) influence in it but less than the North European (probably has other Asian in it too, like ASI or East Asian proper). Middle East proper is closest to East Med and West Med.

[Sehnsucht]

My question is, how "middle eastern" percentagewise can you be on these tests without actually being of middle eastern descent?

[MfA_]

My question is, how "middle eastern" percentagewise can you be on these tests without actually being of middle eastern descent?

Dodecad K12b
Caucasus+Gedrosia+Southwest Asia:

54.5 S_Italian_Sicilian_D
54.3 Ashkenazi_D
52.9 Sicilian_D
50.8 Greek_D
45.6 C_Italian_D
42.5 O_Italian_D
42.5 Tuscan
40.9 TSI30
39.8 Bulgarian_D
37.9 Bulgarians_Y
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqr2nbGXpVFndFpQT1FJV1BKYW9TMkFWQXRjQWdqb Xc&usp=drive_web#gid=5

Eurogenes K13
East Med+Red Sea+West Asian:

52.94 South_Italian
50.88 Ashkenazi
47.35 Greek
37.71 Tuscan
33.98 Bulgarian
31.46 Romanian
29.27 North_Italian
27.49 Serbian
23.51 Sardinian
21.31 Spanish_Extremadura

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqr2nbGXpVFndG1ra0p4UkI0b0d0b25YWTFHM0lHa mc&usp=drive_web#gid=9

[Sehnsucht]

Dodecad K12b
Caucasus+Gedrosia+Southwest Asia:

54.5 S_Italian_Sicilian_D
54.3 Ashkenazi_D
52.9 Sicilian_D
50.8 Greek_D
45.6 C_Italian_D
42.5 O_Italian_D
42.5 Tuscan
40.9 TSI30
39.8 Bulgarian_D
37.9 Bulgarians_Y
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqr2nbGXpVFndFpQT1FJV1BKYW9TMkFWQXRjQWdqb Xc&usp=drive_web#gid=5

Eurogenes K13
East Med+Red Sea+West Asian:

52.94 South_Italian
50.88 Ashkenazi
47.35 Greek
37.71 Tuscan
33.98 Bulgarian
31.46 Romanian
29.27 North_Italian
27.49 Serbian
23.51 Sardinian
21.31 Spanish_Extremadura

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqr2nbGXpVFndG1ra0p4UkI0b0d0b25YWTFHM0lHa mc&usp=drive_web#gid=9


I guess I'm not Middle Eastern after all. I thought my mother's percentages were high but at 15.38% East Med+Red Sea+West Asian on the Eurogenes K13 and 21.21% Caucasus+Gedrosia+Southwest Asia on Dodecad K12b, my mom still is quite far below the average for the Europeans who are the most Middle Eastern. She's even below the Austrian average! I would guess though, that it is still above the averages for most North-west Europeans.

[MfA_]

I guess I'm not Middle Eastern after all. I thought my mother's percentages were high but at 15.38% East Med+Red Sea+West Asian on the Eurogenes K13 and 21.21% Caucasus+Gedrosia+Southwest Asia on Dodecad K12b, my mom still is quite far below the average for the Europeans who are the most Middle Eastern. I would guess though, that it is still above the averages for most North-west Europeans.

You should compare your results with indigenous people though.. 50% doesn't mean a recent West Asian admix for a S.Italian but %25 could mean recent admixture for a British..

[Patches]

My West Asian peaks at 24.8% on MDLP World-22 on chromosome 22 and at 24.5% on chromosome 22 on Eurogenes K15 V2. It's 8.34% and 2.59% on the normal admixture proportion runs though.

K13:
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/23megen_zpsfcf96b23.png (http://s1154.photobucket.com/user/PureEvil91/media/23megen_zpsfcf96b23.png.html)

K15(v2):
http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p535/PureEvil91/177e808f-bc13-4711-846e-88c5a831c06e_zps4a0fafd0.jpg (http://s1154.photobucket.com/user/PureEvil91/media/177e808f-bc13-4711-846e-88c5a831c06e_zps4a0fafd0.jpg.html)

[Drawing-slim]

I do not consider Caucasus ME.
A Chechen vs a middle eastern It's like comparing Greeks with swedes.

[Toscano]

I what test? 23andme?

[Oneeye]

Interesting, what is your ethnic makeup?

I'm an Anglo American of English and German background, with some Dutch and Norwegian as well.

[Oneeye]

North_Atlantic 46.78%
Baltic 23.29%
West_Med 13.14%
West_Asian 7.82%
East_Med 5.64%
Red_Sea 0.48%
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.94%
Oceanian 0.87%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


13.94%

[Wulf Talented]

K12B

# Population Percent
1 North_European 45.52
2 Atlantic_Med 36.84
3 Gedrosia 9.38
4 Caucasus 6.82
5 Southwest_Asian 1.45

[JQP4545]

My mom (German, Irish, French Canadian):

Population
Gedrosia 9.46%
Atlantic_Med 38.97%
North_European 39.12%
South_Asian 0.52%
Southwest_Asian 0.71%
East_Asian 0.19%
Caucasus 10.97%

Total: 21.66%