Which woman represent the proto-Semites the best?

[StonyArabia]

Assyrian

http://s27.postimg.org/by5im7dw3/Assyrian1.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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Bedouin

http://s28.postimg.org/nm9oazfod/shammari3.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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[Harkonnen]

urh, don't they look just about the same?

[Cleitus]

mhhhh

[Arcadefire]

That first one has over dosed on botox. Not sure why they find that type attractive in the middle east. The one in the bottom looks a lot better IMHO.

[StonyArabia]

urh, don't they look just about the same?

Not really.

The Bedouin

http://s22.postimg.org/odrhsivkh/Shammari.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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The Assyrian

http://s28.postimg.org/ejuuetbml/Assyrian2.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
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[Arcadefire]

Yo that first girl could pass in Afghanistan, Pakistan and North India. She is really good looking.

[Harkonnen]

^the lower woman has that tyoical southern nose with that weird protruding middle part down under.

[StonyArabia]

I believe the proto-Semites were very similar to the Bedouin woman rather than to the Assyrian. Since it seems that they have the most proto-Semitic lineage especially Ethnic Bedouins of Arabia. The Assyrians seem to be a Semitized population rather and hence can not be the ones that are proto-Semitic. The proto-Semites came from Arabia, not the North. This can even be supported by linguistics.

[Equilibrium]

^the lower woman has that tyoical southern nose with that weird protruding middle part down under.

Now that you say it, it does look really weird.

[YeshAtid]

Likely the Assyrian

[WOOHP]

Most likely the Assyrian. They are the closest to proto Semitics.

[Dombra]

They look too good

[StonyArabia]

Most likely the Assyrian. They are the closest to proto Semitics.

Not at all, the closest to proto-Semites are the Bedouins not Assyrians. As the proto-Semitic component is quite high among them unlike that of Assyrians.

[WOOHP]

Not at all, the closest to proto-Semites are the Bedouins not Assyrians. As the proto-Semitic component is quite high among them unlike that of Assyrians.
SW Asian? Or what component are you talking about?

[StonyArabia]

SW Asian? Or what component are you talking about?

Yes the SW Asian peaks in the Bedouins and is said to be the proto-Semitic one.

[Roy]

How proto-Semites looked like?

[WOOHP]

Yes the SW Asian peaks in the Bedouins and is said to be the proto-Semitic one.

What makes you think that proto Semitcs had a special component? Maybe they were a mix of different components.

[StonyArabia]

How proto-Semites looked like?

Similar to Yemenite highlanders/Jews and Ethnic Saudi Bedouins. The Semitic homeland has always been often believed to be Arabia the land that is between Syria and Yemen ie the Arabian Desert.


What makes you think that proto Semitcs had a special component? Maybe they were a mix of different components.

The proto-Semitic component is believed to be the SW Asian, the main reason why is because all Semitic ethnic groups have an amount of it, but it peaks highly in the Bedouins more so than any other people.

[Sikeliot]

The Assyrian woman looks more Armenian, and not Semitic.

[LightHouse89]

the Assyrian girl is pretty hot. [well the first one and third one you posted].

[LightHouse89]

The Assyrian woman looks more Armenian, and not Semitic.

I think she looks more like a Levantine than an Armenian.

[Rambo07]

Marsh Arabs and Bedouins

[Sikeliot]

I think she looks more like a Levantine than an Armenian.

Maybe. Actually she isn't that far off from this Sicilian woman I posted earlier:

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1441181_559704114106410_205183918_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1385894_533487766728045_1877168465_n.jpg

[Shah-Jehan]

Personally, I would say Arab Yemenites from Hadramuth...

[Rambo07]

I always thought the original proto Semitic people were from Yemen and logically it does make sense, considering its proximity to the Horn of Africa, where other Afro Asiatic languages were said to have originated.

[Rambo07]

Maybe. Actually she isn't that far off from this Sicilian woman I posted earlier:

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1441181_559704114106410_205183918_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1385894_533487766728045_1877168465_n.jpg

She looks very Syrian lol and she could fit in Levant, Turkey, Northern Iraq, North Iran.

[LightHouse89]

true they look similar.

[StonyArabia]

They look too good

Their both Iraqis, but one belongs to the Bedouin population which is now the majority and the other belongs to the Assyrian ethnic group. That said, I do believe the Bedouin is more representative of the proto-Semite.

[Roy]

None of them look ''stereotypically Semitic''.

[Methusalem]

Bedouin of course. I think Ofra Haza looks like a pure Semite.

[Smeagol]

The Bedouins mostly represent the pure Semites, but a few of them have other influences.

[Yuffayur]

Bedouin of course, Assyrian one should have some Iranian blood, even the bedouin one isn't too rapresentative she looks just a dark levantine.

[Tim O'Brien]

Bedouin with no doubt!

[StonyArabia]

Bedouin of course, Assyrian one should have some Iranian blood, even the bedouin one isn't too rapresentative she looks just a dark levantine.

No she does not, she looks like a Shammari Arab which she is.

[aherne]

None. They look East Mediterranean with Semitic influence. This one is a much better proposal:
http://photos.posh24.com/p/990429/z/scandal_celebrity/amy_winehouse_candy.jpg
http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/W/Amy-Winehouse-244469-2-402(2).jpg
http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/winehouse-barnets/amy-winehouse-barnet-02.jpg

[Yuffayur]

No she does not, she looks like a Shammari Arab which she is.

Actually northern bedouins have significant foreign influence, especially Northern Saudis, Iraqis, Kuwaitis and Bahrainis, they have significative Iranian imputs, and some Circassian imputs.
Recent studies proved that Bahrainis are closer to Iranian than to other Bedouin.

Background: The genetic differentiation of Bahrain natives is unclear because of the absence of adequate genetic studies. Aim: Eight Alu insertion polymorphisms have been analysed in Bahrainis and southern Iranians to examine the origins of Bahrainis and to determine their genetic position among wider Middle East populations. Subjects and methods: Two representative samples of 97 Bahrainis and 65 southern Iranians have been determined. Genetic relationships among populations have been estimated by a principal component plot based on the R-matrix software. Mantel tests have been used to check the statistical significance of correlation between genetic and geographic distances. Results: The results show that Bahrainis are in an intermediate genetic position between Emiratis and Southern Iranians. Although a general significant correlation between genetic and geographic distances was found between the 16 populations included in the analysis, a lack of this correlation may occur in some particular situations such as the case of populations from southern Iran, United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Bahrain, separated by the Persian Gulf. Conclusion: The results support the idea that Bahrainis ancestors were mainly emigrants from Arabia and Iran. In addition the results show that the Iranian component may reach 69.2% of the current genetic pool of Bahrainis.

[StonyArabia]

Actually northern bedouins have significant foreign influence, especially Northern Saudis, Iraqis, Kuwaitis and Bahrainis, they have significative Iranian imputs, and some Circassian imputs.
Recent studies proved that Bahrainis are closer to Iranian than to other Bedouin.

This not true at all. If you speak of people from the Nafud, Al Jawf, and Nejd they don't have any Iranian or Circasisan influence. They are very SouthWest Asians. However Hejazis are different story altogether. As for Iraqis it depends, I know an Iraqi Shia Bedouin who is pure Arabian and has no Iranian influence. As for Kuwaitis it's ethnically diverse nation. In fact it has ethnic Bedouins, Bedoons often mistaken as such, Sunni Persians, and Ajamis. The same is true of Bahrainis it depends on the ethnic group. Bahrainis are made up of four different ethnic groups Bahraini Sunni Arabs who originate in Nejd, Shia Arabs Baharna from Eastern Arabia, Sunni Persians and Ajam or Shia Persian. Each group keeps it's distinct culture and tradition and intermarriage between them is seldom.


Background: The genetic differentiation of Bahrain natives is unclear because of the absence of adequate genetic studies. Aim: Eight Alu insertion polymorphisms have been analysed in Bahrainis and southern Iranians to examine the origins of Bahrainis and to determine their genetic position among wider Middle East populations. Subjects and methods: Two representative samples of 97 Bahrainis and 65 southern Iranians have been determined. Genetic relationships among populations have been estimated by a principal component plot based on the R-matrix software. Mantel tests have been used to check the statistical significance of correlation between genetic and geographic distances. Results: The results show that Bahrainis are in an intermediate genetic position between Emiratis and Southern Iranians. Although a general significant correlation between genetic and geographic distances was found between the 16 populations included in the analysis, a lack of this correlation may occur in some particular situations such as the case of populations from southern Iran, United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Bahrain, separated by the Persian Gulf. Conclusion: The results support the idea that Bahrainis ancestors were mainly emigrants from Arabia and Iran. In addition the results show that the Iranian component may reach 69.2% of the current genetic pool of Bahrainis.

Four different ethnic groups being tested does not indicate anything. They need to divide the samples based on ethnic origins and we will see a different story, it's the Sunni Persian and Ajam community are making the Bahrainis being Iranian shifted.

[StonyArabia]

Bump

[spanish catalan]

assyrian = anatolian-caucasian
bedouin = afro asiatic

both can be

[supermixedguy]

I think none of them really represent proto semites but dont get me wrong in terms of genitic component the bedouins of course , but not in phenotype
since semites came from arabia and arabia was not a desert area and then it became desertified so I guess that proto semitic phenotype wasnt desert adapted like arabid I guess that the semi arid adapted broader formed arabid called syrid that was found among fertile cresent farmers is the best to represent proto semites but geneticially the bedouins are the carriers of purest semitic lineages just their looks is different
just an opinion

[Thunder_shock]

Both are quite unrepresentative but i would lean towards a northern Middle Eastern sooner than i would to a Yemeni Bedouin. This is because people from the Arabian peninsula are mixed with darker indigenous dravidian looking race - they are also mixed to a greater extent with Sub saharan Africans which is far more foreign than the Ancient Eurasian admixture which the Northern Middle Easterners have.