Cluster analysis of West Eurasia: 13 clusters from 18 dimensions

[xajapa]

Latest blog from David Wesolowski, aka Polako:
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2013/12/cluster-analysis-of-west-eurasia-13.html.

Of interest to those of us who are a participant in the Eurogenes Project is his autosomal analysis based this latest analysis:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdFJaSktGWVJFdjJmeWgzX0pROXlCe kE&usp=sharing.

Jaxman are you CA1?

[Argang]

Some populations seem to be clear borderline cases between clusters.

-Orcadians and Norwegians are pretty much pure Northwest European, with Germans slipping between it and Central & East Euro and Swedes slipping between it and Finnish

-East Balkanites and Hungarians seem to be pure Central & East Euro, Austrians mostly

-Finns and Finlandswedes all fully in Finnish cluster

-Poles are between Central & East Euro and Balto-Slavic-Volga-Finnic cluster, Ukrainians a bit more into the latter, Belorussians more still

-Full Lithuanians, Estonians, Russians, North Russians, Erzya, Moksha and even the Udmurt and Komi all fit into the Balto-Slavic-Volga-Finnic cluster

-Chuvashes and Mari are totally in the Volga-Ural cluster

-Iberians are full South Euros, interestingly so are most South Italians while Tuscans and North Italians start slipping into the Central & East Euro cluster

[arcticwolf]

Karl is not gonna happy he got bundled up with savage Balto-Slavs. Be prepared for his wrath when he finds this travesty!

[xajapa]

Some populations seem to be clear borderline cases between clusters.

-Orcadians and Norwegians are pretty much pure Northwest European, with Germans slipping between it and Central & East Euro and Swedes slipping between it and Finnish

-East Balkanites and Hungarians seem to be pure Central & East Euro, Austrians mostly

-Finns and Finlandswedes all fully in Finnish cluster

-Poles are between Central & East Euro and Balto-Slavic-Volga-Finnic cluster, Ukrainians a bit more into the latter, Belorussians more still

-Full Lithuanians, Estonians, Russians, North Russians, Erzya, Moksha and even the Udmurt and Komi all fit into the Balto-Slavic-Volga-Finnic cluster

-Chuvashes and Mari are totally in the Volga-Ural cluster

-Iberians are full South Euros, interestingly so are most South Italians while Tuscans and North Italians start slipping into the Central & East Euro cluster
I am surprised by the results for the Tuscans. I thought more might have the central European ancestry. The Tuscan sample size is rather large too, and comes from academic studies, so I assume it must be considered accurate.

[Atlantic Islander]

I'm PT9.
Southern - 0.99977826
Central & Eastern - 0.00022174

[xajapa]

I'm PT9.

Do your results reconcile with other admix tools?

[Atlantic Islander]

Do your results reconcile with other admix tools?

How do you mean? This is a very different type of run. :)

[MfA_]

99.9989175% Near Eastern
0.00108% Arabian
0.000000903% North Caucasian

[xajapa]

How do you mean? This is a very different type of run. :)
True. I believe this shows probability regarding the assigned populations.

[MfA_]

I updated the entry with an Mclust analysis of West, Central and South Asia. The relevant table of results can be found here...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdE8xQ2N2VDBFUUQzS2RmRkhBVmNuZ Wc&usp=sharing
This one looks better

99.9968767% West_Asian
0.00312% Near_Eastern
0.00000582% Central_Asian

[Prince Carlo]

This one looks better

99.9968767% West_Asian
0.00312% Near_Eastern
0.00000582% Central_Asian

The west asian stuff is centered on Iranians and Kurds AFAIK.

[HellLander87]

Mine
Central East Euro 0.99998333
Jewish 0.0000117
Southern Euro 0.00000497

[xajapa]

Central_&_East_European 0.856664172
Northwest_European 0.143335828
Finnish_or_Fennoscandian 0.000000000000023

[Black Wolf]

Latest blog from David Wesolowski, aka Polako:
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2013/12/cluster-analysis-of-west-eurasia-13.html.

Of interest to those of us who are a participant in the Eurogenes Project is his autosomal analysis based this latest analysis:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdFJaSktGWVJFdjJmeWgzX0pROXlCe kE&usp=sharing.

Jaxman are you CA1?

Yes I am CA1.

[xajapa]

Yes I am CA1.

What do you think of this analysis?

[Black Wolf]

What do you think of this analysis?

Well it looks like I get like 99% in the Northwest European cluster which is not correct. Unless I am reading the spreadsheet wrong or this comp is messed up. I am on a laptop right now which is a lot different from my normal desk top.

[xajapa]

Well it looks like I get like 99% in the Northwest European cluster which is not correct. Unless I am reading the spreadsheet wrong or this comp is messed up. I am on a laptop right now which is a lot different from my normal desk top.

You are reading correctly. This doesn't really correlate with your ancestry. Mine seems accurate. I am surprised by your results.

[Sikeliot]

Weird.. some Greeks come up almost 100% "Southern", while others almost 100% "Central and East European". Might be a mainland vs islands distinction.

[Damião de Góis]

I score 100% Southern European. I should be somewhere inside the red circle:

http://oi44.tinypic.com/1z4zqdk.jpg

[xajapa]

Weird.. some Greeks come up almost 100% "Southern", while others almost 100% "Central and East European". Might be a mainland vs islands distinction.

If I understand this tool, it is not an admixture, but a cluster tool. I believe it represents the region you are most likely to belong, or that with highest probability. If so, the one benefit of this tool is you can see where individual's deep ancestry lies. My guess is, those Greeks with a high Central& Eastern Euro reading are likely to have some sort of ancient Slavic, or Illyrian ancestry. The same with some of the Germans. Some have mostly (or all) northwestern European, some have mostly or all central & eastern European readings.

[Black Wolf]

You are reading correctly. This doesn't really correlate with your ancestry. Mine seems accurate. I am surprised by your results.

Ya does not seem correct for me.

[Jackson]

I'm UK42, this one has me at about 96.3% NW and 3.7% Central & eastern, and 0.000000000000038 Finnish or Fennoscandian, which just seems unimportant.

It does pick up my pull away from the NW cluster, but it looks like it's not sure what it is and lumps it in with the next nearest cluster in that direction. Either that or it is actually from Central Europe.

[Sikeliot]

Why do Iberians get 100% Southern like southern Italians and some Greeks are? Makes no sense when they do not cluster near them normally.

[Argang]

This clustering tool manages to separate South Italians and Jews much better than admixture tools.

Iberians would at some point get a cluster separate from South Italians and Greeks, if there's more than just 13 clusters in the run.

[Sikeliot]

This clustering tool manages to separate South Italians and Jews much better than admixture tools.

Iberians would at some point get a cluster separate from South Italians and Greeks, if there's more than just 13 clusters in the run.

Some Greeks go into the "Central and East European" cluster which I suspect are those who have higher than average Balkan and/or Slavic.

[MfA_]

Some Greeks go into the "Central and East European" cluster which I suspect are those who have higher than average Balkan and/or Slavic.

Balkan cluster itself is in the Central & Eastern European cluster..

[Sikeliot]

Balkan cluster itself is in the Central & Eastern European cluster..

Then that explains it. There is a division amongst Greeks with some going into the "Southern" cluster and others in with other Balkan people.

[Argang]

There was a 49-cluster run for the same West Eurasian samples.

V1 = Cuban/Spanish Murcia/Canary Islands
V2 = North African Jews
V3 = Georgian/Abkhasian
V4 = North Ossetian/Balkar/Adyei
V5 = Armenian/Turkish
V6 = Ashkenazi Jews
V7 = Iraqi/Iranian/Assyrian
V8 = Lebanese/Cyprian/Syrian
V9 = French
V10 = Hungarian/German/Austrian
V11 = Iranian/Kurdish
V12 = South Italian/Greek
V13 = Lezgin/Kumyk
V14 = French Basque
V15 = Bedouin
V16 = Saudi
V17 = Saudi/Bedouin/Syrian/Yemeni
V18 = Egyptian/Bedouin/Yemeni
V19 = Jordanian/Palestinian/Bedouin
V20 = German
V21 = Polish/West Ukrainian
V22 = Russian/Belorussian/Northeast Ukrainian
V23 = Lithuanian
V24 = Romanian/Bulgarian/Balkans
V25 = Irish/Scottish/West English/Orcadian
V26 = Kind of a NW European/American cluster
V27 = SE English/British/American
V28 = Swedish/Norwegian
V29 = Chechen
V30 = Chuvash
V31 = Druze
V32 = A few more Druze
V33 = East Finnish/Finnish
V34 = Southwest Finnish/Finnish
V35 = Kargopol Russian/Erzya/Moksha
V36 = Estonian
V37 = Southwest Finnish/Finland Swedish
V38 = Spanish/Portuguese
V39 = Spanish Basque (Pais Vasco)
V40 = Tuscan/North Italian
V41 = Turkish
V42 = Tuscan
V43 = Mari
V44 = North African/Moroccan
V45 = Mozabite Berber
V46 = Nogay
V47 = Palestinian
V48 = Sardinian
V49 = Yemenite Jewish

https://docs.google.com/viewer?pid=explorer&srcid=0B9o3EYTdM8lQUFp6LUdHYm5vN1E&docid=55c5c7780c4a6e4dd164d8455ac2fb59|296b2e3db4c 2a6e62dc21eccb946a121&chan=EwAAAB/TBRT9r3zk9mAMvcEZcCAnLS/q75ARoJGqDaGx6i0t&a=v&rel=zip;z1;West_Eurasia_MDS16.txt


Iberians got their own cluster. Spanish and Portuguese are both in a generic Iberian cluster (except two Murcians who cluster with Canary Islanders and Cubans), while French and Spanish Basques each got their own cluster.

Compared to the 13-cluster analysis there is four Northwest European clusters instead of one (apparently one is "American", Swedes and Norwegians share a cluster, as do Scots, Irish, West English and Orcadians) , five balto-slavic/volga finnic clusters instead of one (North Russians, Erzya/Moksha and Udmurt/Komi still in the same cluster) three Finnish clusters instead of one, one Greek cluster shared with South Italians, two clusters for Tuscans and North Italians.

[Jackson]

There was a 49-cluster run for the same West Eurasian samples.

V1 = Cuban/Spanish Murcia/Canary Islands
V2 = North African Jews
V3 = Georgian/Abkhasian
V4 = North Ossetian/Balkar/Adyei
V5 = Armenian/Turkish
V6 = Ashkenazi Jews
V7 = Iraqi/Iranian/Assyrian
V8 = Lebanese/Cyprian/Syrian
V9 = French
V10 = Hungarian/German/Austrian
V11 = Iranian/Kurdish
V12 = South Italian/Greek
V13 = Lezgin/Kumyk
V14 = French Basque
V15 = Bedouin
V16 = Saudi
V17 = Saudi/Bedouin/Syrian/Yemeni
V18 = Egyptian/Bedouin/Yemeni
V19 = Jordanian/Palestinian/Bedouin
V20 = German
V21 = Polish/West Ukrainian
V22 = Russian/Belorussian/Northeast Ukrainian
V23 = Lithuanian
V24 = Romanian/Bulgarian/Balkans
V25 = Irish/Scottish/West English/Orcadian
V26 = Kind of a NW European/American cluster
V27 = SE English/British/American
V28 = Swedish/Norwegian
V29 = Chechen
V30 = Chuvash
V31 = Druze
V32 = A few more Druze
V33 = East Finnish/Finnish
V34 = Southwest Finnish/Finnish
V35 = Kargopol Russian/Erzya/Moksha
V36 = Estonian
V37 = Southwest Finnish/Finland Swedish
V38 = Spanish/Portuguese
V39 = Spanish Basque (Pais Vasco)
V40 = Tuscan/North Italian
V41 = Turkish
V42 = Tuscan
V43 = Mari
V44 = North African/Moroccan
V45 = Mozabite Berber
V46 = Nogay
V47 = Palestinian
V48 = Sardinian
V49 = Yemenite Jewish

https://docs.google.com/viewer?pid=explorer&srcid=0B9o3EYTdM8lQUFp6LUdHYm5vN1E&docid=55c5c7780c4a6e4dd164d8455ac2fb59|296b2e3db4c 2a6e62dc21eccb946a121&chan=EwAAAB/TBRT9r3zk9mAMvcEZcCAnLS/q75ARoJGqDaGx6i0t&a=v&rel=zip;z1;West_Eurasia_MDS16.txt


Iberians got their own cluster. Spanish and Portuguese are both in a generic Iberian cluster (except two Murcians who cluster with Canary Islanders and Cubans), while French and Spanish Basques each got their own cluster.

Compared to the 13-cluster analysis there is four Northwest European clusters instead of one (apparently one is "American", Swedes and Norwegians share a cluster, as do Scots, Irish, West English and Orcadians) , five balto-slavic/volga finnic clusters instead of one (North Russians, Erzya/Moksha and Udmurt/Komi still in the same cluster) three Finnish clusters instead of one, one Greek cluster shared with South Italians, two clusters for Tuscans and North Italians.

Do you have a link?

[Argang]

Do you have a link?

The results of the run for Davidski's samples I linked. There's no blog entry but they talk a bit more about various Mclust runs in the ABF Eurogenes thread, apparently this 49-cluster (MDS16) run is the most informative of those he did.

[Jackson]

The results of the run for Davidski's samples I linked. There's no blog entry but they talk a bit more about various Mclust runs in the ABF Eurogenes thread, apparently this 49-cluster (MDS16) run is the most informative of those he did.

Ah sorry i didn't see the link at the bottom of the spoiler page, cheers.