Japan sets out defence strategy amid China tensions

[Loki]

Japan sets out defence strategy amid China tensions (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25411653)

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Japan's cabinet has approved a new national security strategy and increased defence spending in a move widely seen as aimed at China.

Over the next five years, Japan will buy hardware including drones, aircraft and amphibious vehicles.

The military will also build a new amphibious force capable of retaking islands.

The move comes with Tokyo embroiled in a bitter row with Beijing over East China Sea islands that both claim.

It reflects concern over China's growing assertiveness over its territorial claims and Beijing's mounting defence spending.

"China's stance toward other countries and military moves, coupled with a lack of transparency regarding its military and national security policies, represent a concern to Japan and the wider international community and require close watch," the national security draft said.

'Transparent'

Japan first increased defence spending in January, after a decade of cuts.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who was elected a year ago, has called for Japan to broaden the scope of activities performed by its military - something currently tightly controlled by the post-war constitution.

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He has also established a National Security Council that can oversee key issues.

Approving the national security strategy made Japan's foreign and security policy "clear and transparent - for both the Japanese people and all the world to see", he said.

The announcement comes weeks after China established an air defence identification zone (ADIZ) over a swathe of the East China Sea, including islands controlled by Japan.

It says all aircraft transiting the zone must obey certain rules, such as filing flight plans, or face "measures".

Japan, US and South Korea - which claims a rock that lies within China's declared zone - have strongly criticised the move, with the US calling it a unilateral attempt to change the status quo in the region.

China, meanwhile, says it is "closely watching Japan's security strategy and policy direction".

Mr Abe's government says the strategy is a measured and logical response to a real and increasing threat, reports the BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Tokyo.

But others point out that Japan's security is already guaranteed by the US, which has tens of thousands of troops in Japan.

Many on the left here think Mr Abe is using the threat from China to pursue his own nationalist dreams, our correspondent adds.

[Loki]

This is worrying, especially because of Japan's history of invading China and committing atrocities.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I somehow have a feeling they will get US support....(under the rug) considering how much China has been stepping on the US toes lately...

[alb0zfinest]

Are the limits that were placed on the military of Japan in the treaty in ww2 still active today? Because from what I remember I think yes.

[RMuller]

Japan should just go nuclear .The Japanese can defend themselves. The Japanese have always bitch slapped the Chinese and Koreans. The Japanese are superior to them [butlerking the Korean nationalist ] goes ape.

[Loki]

This time China will be ready for them.

[ficuscarica]

This is worrying, especially because of Japan's history of invading China and committing atrocities.

The Chinese aren´t angels, either. I think Japan should show some balls and not accept everything from China.

[Óttar]

All hail Amaterasu Omi-kami !

http://faculty.washington.edu/kendo/mishima.jpg

[Loki]

I think the next big war will be in Asia. Japan will probably go nuclear.

You should watch this gripping movie on how inhumane the Japanese are. They treated the Chinese like dogs:

http://viooz.co/movies/2089-ip-man-2008.html

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I think the next big war will be in Asia. Japan will probably go nuclear.

You should watch this gripping movie on how inhumane the Japanese are. They treated the Chinese like dogs:

http://viooz.co/movies/2089-ip-man-2008.html

Of course the US wants this as they are seeing China as a threat..
I have heard of the ruthlessness they perpetrated in both China and the Korean peninsula...Wed like to believe times have changed and people have evolved past doing such things but humanity is just another breed of animal in the end.

[Loki]

Watch this. Kung fu superior to 10 black belt Japanese.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9ZRjIiNzhM

[KidMulat]

Japan won't fight, the US would have to back them and another proposition of war anytime in the next decade that does not directly affect us would be futile.

This is a showing of arms and bravado; China is taking the place of Japan and until recently the Four Asian Tigers were barely holding on to their own economies and by no means a threat.

Hopefully in the next decade a globally aware and disgrunted intelligentsia/students and/or workers movement will come about in China to cause a series of events to cripple them internally enough to make them a nonviable global opponent.

[Loki]

Ip Man defeats Japanese general Miura:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2A0Tvo9WjI

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Watch this. Kung fu superior to 10 black belt Japanese.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9ZRjIiNzhM

Yeah I can completely see why that movie got such high reviews I am definitely watching that on Viooz right now! lol! It is the definition of Enthralling.

[alb0zfinest]

I think the next big war will be in Asia. Japan will probably go nuclear.

You should watch this gripping movie on how inhumane the Japanese are. They treated the Chinese like dogs:

http://viooz.co/movies/2089-ip-man-2008.html

Damn lol you're obsessed with this movie. You have linked it many times.
Though I did see it yesterday, great movie. I was about to start to cry because I thought he was nevermind don't want to spoil it for anyone.

[Kiyant]

I think the next big war will be in Asia. Japan will probably go nuclear.

You should watch this gripping movie on how inhumane the Japanese are. They treated the Chinese like dogs:

http://viooz.co/movies/2089-ip-man-2008.html

Because Tibetans/Uyghurs make love songs for the nice Chinese and their also friendly ally North Korea......

[Óttar]

This is worrying, especially because of Japan's history of invading China and committing atrocities.
Yeah, Nanjing is going to happen again. :rolleyes2:

[Xenomorph]

This isn't the 1930s; even a fully armed Japan wouldn't be a threat to anyone, as it's surrounded by modern, advanced countires that could fight it off. A re-armed Japan could actually help to facilitate a better power balance in the region.

[ALSh]

New arm race in the region?
Anyway these convensional weapons that Japan plans to buy are worthless compared to a nuclear China. If a war erupts, China will not hesitate to use nukes.

[ALSh]

http://rt.com/news/iskander-missile-deployment-russia-317/

[BeerBaron]

Japanese nationalism has been on the rise, and Washington has been pushing them to re arm to help the dwindling American navy to keep the Chinese out of the south china sea, and help keep them from expanding and ensure American rule.

But it wont happen, Beijing is arming, and the people are fresh and hungry, and are copying British imperial policy.

Look at all the deep water ports being built by china around the indian ocean, they are in the business of empire now. they are building aircraft carriers and stealth fighters that are all a geopolitical power play.

[Loki]

Yeah, Nanjing is going to happen again. :rolleyes2:

The Chinese won't allow it to happen again.

[ALSh]

The Chinese won't allow it to happen again.

Things won't go so far. These threats propably will remain just that, threats.

[Óttar]

The Chinese won't allow it to happen again.
Then why are you acting as if it's going to happen again?

[Balmung]

Japanese are the Germans of Asia though. China may have quantity but Japan produces quality. Why? well have you seen China's labour conditions and the sort of people who fill it? Whenever I decide to buy a PS4 I will make sure its one made in Japan. Been through too many broken 360's made in China to ever buy China electronics again :lol:

Pretty confident if Japan does start spending more on defense whatever they produce will be top tier.

[alb0zfinest]

Japanese are the Germans of Asia though. China may have quantity but Japan produces quality. Why? well have you seen China's labour conditions and the sort of people who fill it? Whenever I decide to buy a PS4 I will make sure its one made in Japan. Been through too many broken 360's made in China to ever buy China electronics again :lol:

Pretty confident if Japan does start spending more on defense whatever they produce will be top tier.

Japan also has the financial means. Japans's GDP was even higher then China's until recently when China surpassed Japan. But even with that your average Japanese person lives 10 times better then your average Chinese person.

Of course the backing of the west as well.

[Loki]

Then why are you acting as if it's going to happen again?

It's the Japanese's wet dream. They will try.

[Sippola]

I think the next big war will be in Asia. Japan will probably go nuclear.

You should watch this gripping movie on how inhumane the Japanese are. They treated the Chinese like dogs:

http://viooz.co/movies/2089-ip-man-2008.html

I have not seen the movie yet, but I spent some time in Papua New Guinea, where the locals told horrible stories about the Japs. This was back in the early '70's, when some of the older folks still remembered vividly the atrocities.

[alb0zfinest]

It's the Japanese's wet dream. They will try.
Japan doesn't want another Japanese empire so it isn't a wet dream of theirs. Before they were unable to get anywhere because they had no natural resources, but now they can take care of themselves without having to take things from other countries. so they don't need and don't care about China anymore in terms of getting what they have. They are just worried whether they are able to defend themselves from China.

[Loki]

Ip Man was the master of Bruce Lee.

Awesome fighting scene from Enter the Dragon:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKIFlaV03s0

[Proctor]

Chinese would pwn Japan.

[alb0zfinest]

Chinese would pwn Japan.

If China doesn't use nuclear weapons and hadn't stolen so many technological ideas from the U.S, then China would be no match for Japan.

[Loki]

If China doesn't use nuclear weapons and hadn't stolen so many technological ideas from the U.S, then China would be no match for Japan.

China has a very large conventional army - in fact the largest army in the world. They also have an aircraft carrier now.

China is currently developing 5th generation fighter aircraft.

[Loki]

Japan also has the financial means. Japans's GDP was even higher then China's until recently when China surpassed Japan. But even with that your average Japanese person lives 10 times better then your average Chinese person.

Of course the backing of the west as well.

The financial means? China has more cash than the US. The Japanese economy has stagnated.

[alb0zfinest]

China has a very large conventional army - in fact the largest army in the world. They also have an aircraft carrier now.

China is currently developing 5th generation fighter aircraft.

Until recently that is all they had. Numbers.
But this recent economic boom, plus like i said stealing military technological ideas from the U.S has made China a force to be feared. Though China still has alot, and I mean alot before it reaches U.S military capabilities.

[alb0zfinest]

The financial means? China has more cash than the US. The Japanese economy has stagnated.

More cash then the U.S? lol China's GDP is half of what the U.S has (16trillion vs 8 trillion). And even if they were to have a bigger GDP total, they still lag behind by 5-6 times in terms of GDP per capita.

The Japanese economy is fine. They experienced a little slow down because of the world economic recession, but now that the recession is ending things will go back to how they were before.

[Loki]

Until recently that is all they had. Numbers.
But this recent economic boom, plus like i said stealing military technological ideas from the U.S has made China a force to be feared. Though China still has alot, and I mean alot before it reaches U.S military capabilities.

The thing with China, is that it will continue to grow economically for decades to come. China is going to own us all in the future ..

[alb0zfinest]

The thing with China, is that it will continue to grow economically for decades to come. China is going to own us all in the future ..

And as I said previously now that the recession is ending the U.S will grow too. Besides majority of the factories in China are owned by foreigners, usually westerners, hypothetically speaking China becomes in the level of Croatia lets say. Once that happens the people will want higher wages, and the factories will want to move out since there is no cheap labor available. So once China looses the majority of its factories then what? what happens to this economic boom?

China won't own anyone.

[Óttar]

The Japanese economy is fine. They experienced a little slow down because of the world economic recession, but now that the recession is ending things will go back to how they were before.
Unfortunately, their population is much smaller than China's, their resources and land mass are less, and their population is dying out. Haven't you heard how they are barely even having sex anymore?

[alb0zfinest]

Unfortunately, their population is much smaller than China's, their resources and land mass are less, and their population is dying out. Haven't you heard how they are barely even having sex anymore?

And that's why this topic is a bit weird. We are comparing a nation with 1.3+ billion people and a land that is the 4th biggest in the world with a nation of 130million that inhabit a very small landmass.
If you want a real comparison compare the U.S to China or other bg countries to China.

[Loki]

alb0zfinest, there is a 2013 movie of Ip Man, very high quality:

http://viooz.co/movies/16565-the-grandmaster-2013.html

[SilverKnight]

Japan should just go nuclear .The Japanese can defend themselves. The Japanese have always bitch slapped the Chinese and Koreans. The Japanese are superior to them [butlerking the Korean nationalist ] goes ape.


agree!

But the U.S will always need to help Japan to some extent, without it would have been a Chinese-made and North Korean nuclear wasteland long ago.

[alb0zfinest]

alb0zfinest, there is a 2013 movie of Ip Man, very high quality:

http://viooz.co/movies/16565-the-grandmaster-2013.html

Have you seen Fearless (2006) with Jet li? The movie is great. I think maybe even better then ip man. You should see it.
It also has to do with Kong fu. Very emotional film, so I would not recommend seeing it around someone who will call you a girl for crying :D

[BeerBaron]

agree!

But the U.S will always need to help Japan to some extent, without it would have been a Chinese-made and North Korean nuclear wasteland long ago.

Japan after ww2 was put under pacificcom, and has demonstrated the ability to build and deliver nuclear warheads, but since it has been under the pacificcom theatre it has never needed to.

after ww2 the US created an umbrella, and agreed to provide protection to countries in exchange for their cooperation.

[Óttar]

And that's why this topic is a bit weird. We are comparing a nation with 1.3+ billion people and a land that is the 4th biggest in the world with a nation of 130million that inhabit a very small landmass.
If you want a real comparison compare the U.S to China or other bg countries to China.
Methinks this thread was just an opportunity for Loki to be an alarmist and Chinese chauvinist.

[BeerBaron]

China is seriously scaring the shit out of everyone in the region with its arming. Thousands of US Marines were moved to the north in Australia because the Chinese are scaring the shit out of them.

[Loki]

The Chinese were wealthy before the Japanese invaded, but divided. The Japanese then caused poverty in China and just rationed them with rice.

[Drawing-slim]

China will rule the world in the future. This much is certain.

The only good thing about this, even to this day Albanian movies from the communist era are held in high regards as morally superior and artistically so as well to all other European and USA movies inside china.
So when china rules the world, the gheg highlanders will prevail once and for all for we know they value our values even more than Europeans.

There's every reason to believe china will absolutely rule the world in the future, and not far distant future either.
They have plaid the best hand in history me thinks. Mastering maxsism/communism while opening doors to controlled capitalism to make money and wealth. Is the deadliest most unstoppable formula for china to rule the world, which they will.

[Loki]

Have you seen Fearless (2006) with Jet li? The movie is great. I think maybe even better then ip man. You should see it.
It also has to do with Kong fu. Very emotional film, so I would not recommend seeing it around someone who will call you a girl for crying :D

I have to see it. But doesn't Jet li die at the end?

[alb0zfinest]

I have to see it. But doesn't Jet li die at the end?

yes. the actual name of the movie is huo yuan jia. The chinese version with english subtitles is much better, but I can't find that version. The directors cut fearless is just stupid because the voices are so far off, and its terribly worded not even what they say.

[BeerBaron]

This is actually very serious, when the Chinese gain the ability to throw American battle groups out of the region and start expanding it will mark the end of thousands of years of European rule.

[rob211080]

Good news for japan there military is under strenght and needs building up.The chinese have committed atrocities in the past aswell and they have been aggressive in recent years towards the japs and koreans.

[Loki]

Good news for japan there military is under strenght and needs building up.The chinese have committed atrocities in the past aswell and they have been aggressive in recent years towards the japs and koreans.

The Chinese haven't committed atrocities towards the Japanese.

[VAARON]

This is worrying, especially because of Japan's history of invading China and committing atrocities.

i think this maybe opposite this time :rolleyes: japan no more socialist or post- socialist country

[BeerBaron]

The trouble as well is that it is setting up a regional conflict between the Chinese, the Japanese, and the northern border dispute between India and China, could erupt and drag the region into war.

The Japanese military is also very heavily funded and very well equipped. It's not, a shitty little army.

[Lurker]

Are the limits that were placed on the military of Japan in the treaty in ww2 still active today? Because from what I remember I think yes.

Those limits are self-imposed. The pacifist clause in the constitution was put by a faction of the Japanese government that regretted the events of WW2 a lot. Those limits aren't established in international treaties (Japan doesn't have a peace treaty with Russia/URSS, for example). After the end of WW2 the treaties Japan signed basically had to do with loss of colonial holdings (Taiwan, Korea, influence in Manchuria, etc), with the situation in some islands remaining dubious (those that China/Korea are fighting over with Japan), and with the establishment of a perpetual US naval base in Japanese territory (Okinawa). So Japan can disregard pacifism anytime she wants. Japan has refrained from constructing aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and nuclear weapons due to the pacificist clause in the constitution (everything else is fair game, however), but this could change with this Abe administration.

[Lurker]

The Chinese were wealthy before the Japanese invaded, but divided. The Japanese then caused poverty in China and just rationed them with rice.

China was not wealthy before Japanese invasion. In 1895 China was under the corrupt administration of the Manchu and already had the seeds of civil war (most of the military didn't answer the call from the central government when the war over Korea started, because the warlords were governments of their own basically), not to mention the after effects of the opium wars and the taiping rebellion. The boxer rebellion was basically a anti-western, anti-modernization rebellion, which proves that China was poor at that time and the Chinese were trying to remain poor (not industrialized, still retaining traditional beliefs, etc). Later China went through decades of civil war and then the failure of communism. China only got its shit together when Deng Xiaoping started opening up the country to capitalism in the late 1970s.

[ALSh]

The trouble as well is that it is setting up a regional conflict between the Chinese, the Japanese, and the northern border dispute between India and China, could erupt and drag the region into war.

The Japanese military is also very heavily funded and very well equipped. It's not, a shitty little army.
It is not a shitty at all but don't have nukes as China has. Anyway if a conflict happen, US would enter in war too to help Japan.

[BeerBaron]

It is not a shitty at all but don't have nukes as China has. Anyway if a conflict happen, US would enter in war too to help Japan.

Japan has been kept from nuclear weapons via an agreement under the US, it has demonstrated the ability to not only build them, but deliver them as well. But the agreement takes away their ability or need.

But its true, if the battle groups were allowed to open their guns up, it would tear China to shreds.