Could Don Draper Pass for Iberian?

[Fincher]

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[Proctor]

Yes imo

[Atlantic Islander]

In my bed.

[Roy]

He looks British.

[Atlantic Islander]

Seriously though, Jon Hamm could get it. That is an attractive man.

[Atlantic Islander]

Voted no btw. Strange nose.

[Smeagol]

He wouldn't be typical. I'm sure some Atlantic facaders will show up and claim otherwise, but he looks predominantly Nordatlantid with a minor Cromagnid influence, and fits mainly in the British Isles.

[oh-nahhh]

North Atlantid-CM

[Atlantic Islander]

He wouldn't be typical. I'm sure some Atlantic facaders will show up and claim otherwise, but he looks predominantly Nordatlantid with a minor Cromagnid influence, and fits mainly in the British Isles.

It's not because of his phenotype or pigmentation - it's the features, the way they are mushed together, he's " off " imo. Thomas Gibson (http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6500000/TG-in-Chicago-Hope-thomas-gibson-6552980-530-800.jpg) would be a better example of someone who could pass in terms of the way his features all fit together.

I only mean Portuguese btw, have no clue what the Spanish members think.

[Lemon Kush]

Looks like some North Atlantid/Paleo-Atlantid mix. So probably won't be the most typical.

[Lábaru]

In the bed of Atlantic Islander.

[Lábaru]

Now seriously, can this man(Don) pass in Spain because he has dark pigmentation? the answer is very simple, it depends. Can Gutiérrez pass as someone average in British Isles only because his des-pigmentation?

http://img.vavel.com/guti_722198073.jpg
http://www.goolfm.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/guti-09_983x900.jpg

for many people the answer is yes but, are you sure? as average? his face is very Iberian, he reesemble Ramos here.
http://www.deportesonline.com/imagenes/europapress/201201/20120110195056.jpg
more accurately the face of Ramos mixed with the face of Torres.

One thing is sure, he look more Spanish than Don Draper.
http://envezdelpsiquiatra.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/guti_y_arantxa_de_benito1.jpg

[Atlantic Islander]

Now seriously, can this man(Don) pass in Spain because he has dark pigmentation? the answer is very simple, it depends. Can Gutiérrez pass as someone average in British Isles only because his des-pigmentation?

http://img.vavel.com/guti_722198073.jpg
http://www.goolfm.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/guti-09_983x900.jpg

for many people the answer is yes but, are you sure? as average? his face is very Iberian, he reesemble Ramos here.
http://www.deportesonline.com/imagenes/europapress/201201/20120110195056.jpg
more accurately the face of Ramos mixed with the face of Torres.

One thing is sure, he look more Spanish than Don Draper.
http://envezdelpsiquiatra.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/guti_y_arantxa_de_benito1.jpg

A+

[Damião de Góis]

I'm still waiting for a "Can Peter Beardsley pass as Iberian?"

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/zapsportz/525c488bfbce7b020000000c_770.jpg

[just]

Can pass? - Yes.
He looks British anyway, but he'd pass as a Belgian/French/Iberian, for sure.

[gregorius]

Now seriously, can this man(Don) pass in Spain because he has dark pigmentation? the answer is very simple, it depends. Can Gutiérrez pass as someone average in British Isles only because his des-pigmentation?

http://img.vavel.com/guti_722198073.jpg
http://www.goolfm.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/guti-09_983x900.jpg

for many people the answer is yes but, are you sure? as average? his face is very Iberian, he reesemble Ramos here.
http://www.deportesonline.com/imagenes/europapress/201201/20120110195056.jpg
more accurately the face of Ramos mixed with the face of Torres.

One thing is sure, he look more Spanish than Don Draper.
http://envezdelpsiquiatra.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/guti_y_arantxa_de_benito1.jpg

he could pass as a frysian xD, he looks like one off my buds.

[B01AB20]

I'm still waiting for a "Can Peter Beardsley pass as Iberian?"

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/zapsportz/525c488bfbce7b020000000c_770.jpg

lineker!!!.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/12/article-0-03DCA2A7000005DC-813_468x361.jpghttp://www.nanduti.com.py/noticias/images/b0a7b3_gary.jpghttp://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/article80823.ece/ALTERNATES/gallery-large/Gary+Lineker+1990

Lineker, the british that could pass as iberian, why not? ;), but couldn't pass as british... one of the deep mysteries of the atlantic fuckade.

[Lábaru]

he could pass as a frysian xD, he looks like one off my buds.

Let alone our Goths, Gutiérrez is a very Spanish face, look, this guy(the bad man of the last film of Riddick is another Spanish) is unquestionably a not equal face, but belonging to the same ethnicity (Spanish) that Gutiérrez and at some point both guys share that similarity.
http://s0.uvnimg.com/cine/cine-fotos/photo/2013-09-05/jordi-molla_590x395.jpg
http://www.cinemascomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Jordi-Molla-en-Bad-Boys-2.png


but okay, I admit it of Frysian but Western Frysian, the Atlantic Facade version of Frysian, we have a deal?

[NORWORLD]

Now seriously, can this man(Don) pass in Spain because he has dark pigmentation? the answer is very simple, it depends. Can Gutiérrez pass as someone average in British Isles only because his des-pigmentation?

http://img.vavel.com/guti_722198073.jpg
http://www.goolfm.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/guti-09_983x900.jpg

for many people the answer is yes but, are you sure? as average? his face is very Iberian, he reesemble Ramos here.
http://www.deportesonline.com/imagenes/europapress/201201/20120110195056.jpg
more accurately the face of Ramos mixed with the face of Torres.

One thing is sure, he look more Spanish than Don Draper.
http://envezdelpsiquiatra.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/guti_y_arantxa_de_benito1.jpg



Gutierrez is not that depigmented if you take away his obviously fake, dyed blonde hair. BTW he reminds me a bit of Norwegian athlete Geir Moen, who also used to dye his hair blonde:

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/gm2_zps9f82d5f2.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/gm2_zps9f82d5f2.jpg.html)
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/gm4_zps67cd7607.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/gm4_zps67cd7607.jpg.html)

Here's a picture with his real hair:

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/gm3_zpsdf08df66.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/gm3_zpsdf08df66.jpg.html)

[Lábaru]

Gutiérrez is natural blonde.
http://www.realmadridfans.org/guti/28359yv0.jpg

[Atlantic Islander]

Gutiérrez is natural blonde.
http://www.realmadridfans.org/guti/28359yv0.jpg

Lolling forever at people who don't understand the fact that roots grow in darker, and eyebrows don't always match the lighter parts of the hair.

[Damião de Góis]

Actually, and being the football fan that i am, i remember when he first started playing for Real Madrid... and he wasn't blonde:

http://www.soccerblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/A%20young%20Guti-thumb-500x340-1391.jpg

Similar case with Beckham.

[Lábaru]

Lolling forever at people who don't understand the fact that roots grow in darker, and eyebrows don't always match.

Yes, and light enviroment makes him seem lighter or darker, but even if he sometimes uses tinted, the beard is still blonde, I doubt he too dyed his beard, people too often use dark dyes.

[Atlantic Islander]

Actually, and being the football fan that i am, i remember when he first started playing for Real Madrid... and he wasn't blonde:
Similar case with Beckham.

What I said still stands true. It's men that generally don't know this, unless they are hairdressers or something. Roots are darker and eyebrows don't always match the hair that's been exposed to the sun for a long period of time. Lighter hair in contrast to darker roots is a result of sun damage and general exposure to the elements.

[NORWORLD]

Gutiérrez is natural blonde.
http://www.realmadridfans.org/guti/28359yv0.jpg

Relax, I know that there are natural Spanish blondes. Gutierrez however is not one of them. It's as obvious as it was with Fernando Torres when he dyed his hair:

fake hair:
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/torres2_zps325f2fa4.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/torres2_zps325f2fa4.jpg.html)
real hair:
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/torres_zps48a55af3.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/torres_zps48a55af3.jpg.html)

[Atlantic Islander]

Relax, I know that there are natural Spanish blondes. Gutierrez however is not one of them. It's as obvious as it was with Fernando Torres when he dyed his hair:

fake hair:
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/torres2_zps325f2fa4.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/torres2_zps325f2fa4.jpg.html)
real hair:
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/torres_zps48a55af3.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/torres_zps48a55af3.jpg.html)

100% more attractive in the second photo (real hair) tbh.

[NORWORLD]

Lolling forever at people who don't understand the fact that roots grow in darker, and eyebrows don't always match the lighter parts of the hair.


LOL!!! Of course I know that eyebrows don't always match haircolor. He however is NOT a natural blonde. His fake butter yellow hair looks like Norwegian athlete Geir Moen who also used to dye his hair once:

fake:
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/gm2_zps9f82d5f2.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/gm2_zps9f82d5f2.jpg.html)

real:
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/gm3_zpsdf08df66.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/gm3_zpsdf08df66.jpg.html)

[Atlantic Islander]

LOL!!! Of course I know that eyebrows don't always match haircolor. He however is NOT a natural blonde. His fake butter yellow hair looks like Norwegian athlete Geir Moen who also used to dye his hair once:

fake:
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/gm2_zps9f82d5f2.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/gm2_zps9f82d5f2.jpg.html)

real:
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/gm3_zpsdf08df66.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/gm3_zpsdf08df66.jpg.html)

That one too looks better as a brunette. :P

[Lábaru]

And Telmo Aldaz too dyed his hair?
http://www.20minutos.es/data/img/2007/09/19/678406.jpg
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/-OxysGOWJbw/hqdefault.jpg
http://images.eldiario.es/politica/Telmo-Aldaz-Quadra-Salcedo-vencer-prejuicios_EDIIMA20130822_0185_4.jpg

Vs
http://estaticos01.elmundo.es/elmundo/imagenes/2012/08/03/madrid/1344015847_0.jpg
http://p.twimg.com/Au8fZuyCAAA5sS-.jpg:large
http://ep01.epimg.net/diario/imagenes/2010/10/05/madrid/1286277866_850215_0000000000_sumario_normal.jpg
http://www.elnaturalista.com/img/cms/blog/People/el-naturalista-award_presen.png

or maybe dark blonde under Iberian sun, including light brown, can present different shades of color?

[gregorius]

Let alone our Goths, Gutiérrez is a very Spanish face, look, this guy(the bad man of the last film of Riddick is another Spanish) is unquestionably a not equal face, but belonging to the same ethnicity (Spanish) that Gutiérrez and at some point both guys share that similarity.
http://s0.uvnimg.com/cine/cine-fotos/photo/2013-09-05/jordi-molla_590x395.jpg
http://www.cinemascomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Jordi-Molla-en-Bad-Boys-2.png




but okay, I admit it of Frysian but Western Frysian, the Atlantic Facade version of Frysian, we have a deal?

Hardcore west frysian from harlingen, when he hears about the atlantic facade his hart bumps faster than the nihilist does in the members picture thread. Every month he needs to go to the dutch atlantic isles like texel to sniff some of the atlantic facade.

[Lábaru]

Anyway better stop, these discussions about hair color are ridiculous, my initial point is equally valid with light brown or blond hair.

[NORWORLD]

And Telmo Aldaz too dyed his hair?
http://www.20minutos.es/data/img/2007/09/19/678406.jpg
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/-OxysGOWJbw/hqdefault.jpg
http://images.eldiario.es/politica/Telmo-Aldaz-Quadra-Salcedo-vencer-prejuicios_EDIIMA20130822_0185_4.jpg

Vs
http://estaticos01.elmundo.es/elmundo/imagenes/2012/08/03/madrid/1344015847_0.jpg
http://p.twimg.com/Au8fZuyCAAA5sS-.jpg:large
http://ep01.epimg.net/diario/imagenes/2010/10/05/madrid/1286277866_850215_0000000000_sumario_normal.jpg
http://www.elnaturalista.com/img/cms/blog/People/el-naturalista-award_presen.png

or maybe dark blonde under Iberian sun, including light brown, can present different shades of color?



I'm not quite sure about him( looks natural), but it's obvious with Gutierrez. What does another persons hair have to do with Gutierrez being blonde or not? :rolleyes:

[Lábaru]

I'm not quite sure about him( looks natural), but it's obvious with Gutierrez. :

As I said, maybe, but regardless of that he can use at sometimes, for sure he is natural dark blond or light brown, in Iberia with our sun radiation that is the same in summer months(5-6 month of the year).


What does another persons hair have to do with Gutierrez being blonde or not? :rolleyes:

pretty simple, Aldaz also has noticeably blond hair or Dark hair in some photos.

[NORWORLD]

Actually, and being the football fan that i am, i remember when he first started playing for Real Madrid... and he wasn't blonde:

http://www.soccerblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/A%20young%20Guti-thumb-500x340-1391.jpg

Similar case with Beckham.


Exactly. Here are more pictures which prove that he is not naturally light blonde.

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/guti2_zps087117cd.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/guti2_zps087117cd.jpg.html)
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/guti3_zps831810e5.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/guti3_zps831810e5.jpg.html)

[gregorius]

Isis safe to say that guti hernandez dyed his hair at the age of 10 :laugh:, one can only assume that guti knew about apricity and tried to trick us!

Good thing our fellow apricians are experts in haircolours

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_N8hIzudxLHg/TEw3TXeJKSI/AAAAAAAAAnw/kGBgat9rW0U/s400/guti_206101.png

[NORWORLD]

Isis safe to say that guti hernandez dyed his hair at the age of 10 :laugh:, one can only assume that guti knew about apricity and tried to trick us!

Good thing our fellow apricians are experts in haircolours

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_N8hIzudxLHg/TEw3TXeJKSI/AAAAAAAAAnw/kGBgat9rW0U/s400/guti_206101.png



LOL. Are you ignorant about the fact that Europeans very often have lighter hair as children? BTW, even in that horribly lighted and immensely bad quality photo he does not have light blonde hair.

This is his real color:
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/guti3_zps831810e5.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/guti3_zps831810e5.jpg.html)
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/guti2_zps087117cd.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/guti2_zps087117cd.jpg.html)

[Atlantic Islander]

Sun bleaching (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=29292) - it's a real thing.

A person can't know for sure without asking the person outright, light brown/dark blonde hair bleaches out easily in the sun.

[Lábaru]

Exactly. Here are more pictures which prove that he is not naturally light blonde.

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/guti2_zps087117cd.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/guti2_zps087117cd.jpg.html)
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz84/Narniaworld/guti3_zps831810e5.jpg (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/Narniaworld/media/guti3_zps831810e5.jpg.html)

You know there is a dark dye too, right?

[gregorius]

LOL. Are you ignorant about the fact that Europeans very often have lighter hair as children? BTW, even in that horribly lighted and immensely bad quality photo he does not have light blonde hair.

Lol he is aprox 10 years old in this picture. That phase is already passed by. He has medium todark blonde hair. Even in the ones where you psted him with wet and gelled hair which gives darker colour

[Lábaru]

Sun bleaching (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=29292) - it's a real thing.

A person can't know for sure without asking the person outright.

Sun bleaching, wet hair with gel, dark tint ect... but my initial point is still valid with a simple light brown!!!


I leave the discussion here xD xD xD

[NORWORLD]

You know there is a dark dye too, right?


His natural hair color is dark blonde/light brown. Why is it so important for you to claim him as being lighter than he really is? Relax, everyone knows that there are a fair share of natural blonde Spaniards. He is just not one of them.

[Atlantic Islander]

Sun bleaching, wet hair with gel, dark tint ect... but my initial point is still valid with a simple light brown!!!


I leave the discussion here xD xD xD

Sun bleaching is a natural occurrence, people with dark blonde/light brown hair end up with sun-bleached hair if they are outside all the time in the summer - it makes sense for a footballer to end up with bleached out hair. Anyone who tries to say that the hair is no longer natural is not that bright. :D

[NORWORLD]

Lol he is aprox 10 years old in this picture. That phase is already passed by. He has medium todark blonde hair. Even in the ones where you psted him with wet and gelled hair which gives darker colour

Not necessarily. I for instance didn't get my adult dark blonde color til I was 15. Anyway, my point is that he is not a natural LIGHT blonde, like in this picture:


http://envezdelpsiquiatra.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/guti_y_arantxa_de_benito1.jpg

This will be my last post in this thread

[Lábaru]

His natural hair color is dark blonde/light brown. Why is it so important for you to claim him as being lighter than he really is? Relax, everyone knows that there are a fair share of natural blonde Spaniards. He is just not one of them.

:picard1::picard1:

[NORWORLD]

Sun bleaching is a natural occurrence, people with dark blonde/light brown hair end up with sun-bleached hair if they are outside all the time in the summer - it makes sense for a footballer to end up with bleached out hair. Anyone who tries to say that the hair is no longer natural is not that bright. :D


Don't be ridiculous. I know all about this. But I was not speaking in general, I was addressing ONE PERSON.

[Atlantic Islander]

Don't be ridiculous. I know all about this. But I was not speaking in general, I was addressing ONE PERSON. Who has done exactly what Torres did.

The thing to me at least, is if the guy has not admitted to it, then it could very well just be sun bleaching.

One cannot just assume these things. :cool:

[NORWORLD]

:picard1::picard1:


Excuse me? You tried to claim him as being naturally light blonde.

[NORWORLD]

The thing to me at least, is if the guy has not admitted to it, then it could very well just be sun bleaching. One cannot just assume these things.

Actually, you can assume such things 90 percent of the time if you are decent at spotting artificial hair coloring. This is especially easy with bleaching or blonde people who color their hair very dark. I can also tell the difference between sun bleaching and artificial bleaching :)

[Atlantic Islander]

Actually, you can assume such things 90 percent of the time if you are decent at spotting artificial hair coloring. This is especially easy with bleaching or blonde people who color their hair very dark.

Ah, but hair bleached by the sun is natural. :p

[Smaug]

He passes better in Italy than Iberia regarding Southern Europe.

[Atlantic Islander]

He passes better in Italy than Iberia regarding Southern Europe.

Agreed.

[NORWORLD]

Ah, but hair bleached by the sun is natural. :p


I never said it wasn't. I just said I can tell the difference between artificial bleaching and sun bleaching :)

[Atlantic Islander]

I never said it wasn't. I just said I can tell the difference between artificial bleaching and sun bleaching :)

As can I. :cool:

[Geist]

North Atlantid-CM