The Peopling of Europe from the First Venturers to the Vikings

[evon]

Very good and one of the first attempts at making a comprehensive DNA History of Europe and its periphery, i would advice anyone who had their DNA tested to get a copy:

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/

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Jean Manco who is the Author can be found on anthrogenica as a regular member there for those wanting to ask questions not covered by the book.

The most interesting part for me was the ideas associated with Diary farmers movement from Anatolia into Europe (Making a claim that Yoghurt and Cheese was first made there by these early neolithic peoples), and the PIE Links to DNA R1b and R1a especially, and the links between PIE and PU groups living in the European steppe, also ofcourse the U5 links to Mesolithic culture, which i already knew about from before...

[evon]

As a complimentary book for those interested in PIE on a cultural and linguistic basic, i would suggest Christopher Beckwiths book:
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I want to include it because it shows how Culture and Linguistic mesh together and create new cultures over time, from the PIE to modern day Eurasian societies..

[evon]

Just a tip for those wanting a copy right now, they do sell downloadable E-books of this via Amazon, dont know abut the book depository, maybe also Abe books?

[xajapa]

Do you know if one can find any reviews of the book evon?

[evon]

Do you know if one can find any reviews of the book evon?

Ive looked at Jstor.org ect, but it seems too new to have had an impact yet, my guess is you will see them in 2014..

[Vesuvian Sky]

Do you know if one can find any reviews of the book evon?

The first book got a few reviews on amazon. Only 2 though. One gave 5 stars the other a little less and was a bit more critical:


Boring, and its outdated DNA wise 30 seconds after it was released. Its a very dry read. It was recommend by the project manager of a DNA testing service.

some of the comments associated with this review were interesting as well. I think the Haak et al. 2013 study was very significant this year and didn't make it in the book naturally.

[evon]

Its certainly not outdated (that person must have a very limited grasp of how little of such "complete" history works are out there based on DNA), though i agree that the methodology part (second chapter, which can be skipped for those whom are familiar with DNA and the sciences behind it) is dry stuff, but what do you expect from an academic text, the rest though ive read so far is very interesting and have thought me allot..

[Vesuvian Sky]

Does Manco go into the diffusion of certain hair and eye color traits in this book and how it gets into Europe?

[evon]

Does Manco go into the diffusion of certain hair and eye color traits in this book and how it gets into Europe?

She mentions it (with regards to ancient finds), but her focus seem to be on Lactose SNP mutations associated with Indo-Europeans and such with regards to traits, and ofcourse YDNA/mtDNA/Autosomal and so on, but ive only read half of it, been so busy, but i hope to get two more chapters done today...

She also mentions Horse, Cattle, Sheep, also plant ect DNA also, which is very illuminating..

[Vesuvian Sky]

She mentions it (with regards to ancient finds), but her focus seem to be on Lactose SNP mutations associated with Indo-Europeans and such with regards to traits, and ofcourse YDNA/mtDNA/Autosomal and so on, but ive only read half of it, been so busy, but i hope to get two more chapters done today...

yeah, I think what's cited concerning this issue is a study that postulates a Neolithic origin for lite eyes and hair. However there is much debate about this alone and another study came out this year already showing results more compatible with a pre-neolithic occurrence for such traits.

[evon]

yeah, I think what's cited concerning this issue is a study that postulates a Neolithic origin for lite eyes and hair. However there is much debate about this alone and another study came out this year already showing results more compatible with a pre-neolithic occurrence for such traits.

You can ask her and see what she says, but if you remember the titles of the study i can check the bibliography?

Also, another complimentary book on the subject from a cultural/Linguistic side of PIE, but focusing on Iran, Central and South Asian more so then Europe:

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