Tribute to AK 47

[Yaroslav]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvrG4T2K4sE

My favorite tool.

[Harkonnen]

The standard weapon in Finnish army rk 62 is a far superior weapon to ak-47 at least in absolute shooting accuracy and overall quality. However ak has it's qualities too, it is lighter and smaller and gives you mobility, which I like and somehow just feels good and natural in your hands. Also at least in Finland ak's usually came with a folding stock whereas in rk's such marvels were far in between and when you were able to get one in your hands it was a sight to oggle and coolest thing ever.

[Rojava]

I say RIP Comrade Mikhail Kalashnikov

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25497013

[TJames]

Yeah i heard last night that Mikhail Kalashnikov died at the grand age of 94, he had been in hospital for about a month they said so i guess he wasn't to well.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/mikhail-kalashnikov-dead-at-94-ak47-inventor-had-been-in-hospital-for-a-month-9022861.html

TJ

[Szegedist]

Kalashnikov did NOT invent or design this weapon. He was a young punk, in 1947 (27). During the War he was not studying or designing weapons or anything, but was a tank driver. A mere two years later he "designs" this super advanced (for the time) weapon. Out of thin air. All by himself..without an enginering degree….He did not invent anything BEFORE, nor AFTER(!), and that should be a massive red flag in itself. The weapons designing crowd of history were not one trick ponies like this guy is.

The REAL inventor was a German SLAVE in the Soviet Union, captured in 1945 and shipped there in 1946 named: Hugo Schmeisser. He was in Izhevsk in the southern Ural Mountains, where a center of Russian firearms development was located.
He was let go back to E. Germany in 1952; a year later he was dead. It would not surprise me, if it would come out eventually, that he died (killed) so he could not tell that Kalashnikov was just a young punk know-nothing helper in the design dept, working under Schmeisser.

For propaganda purposes, Kalashnikov was credited with the design; probably he was a good little suck-up communist, who could be trusted.

[Yaroslav]

Kalashnikov did NOT invent or design this weapon. He was a young punk, in 1947 (27). During the War he was not studying or designing weapons or anything, but was a tank driver. A mere two years later he "designs" this super advanced (for the time) weapon. Out of thin air. All by himself..without an enginering degree….He did not invent anything BEFORE, nor AFTER(!), and that should be a massive red flag in itself. The weapons designing crowd of history were not one trick ponies like this guy is.

The REAL inventor was a German SLAVE in the Soviet Union, captured in 1945 and shipped there in 1946 named: Hugo Schmeisser. He was in Izhevsk in the southern Ural Mountains, where a center of Russian firearms development was located.
He was let go back to E. Germany in 1952; a year later he was dead. It would not surprise me, if it would come out eventually, that he died (killed) so he could not tell that Kalashnikov was just a young punk know-nothing helper in the design dept, working under Schmeisser.

For propaganda purposes, Kalashnikov was credited with the design; probably he was a good little suck-up communist, who could be trusted.

Can you back any of the above statements with any credible facts? I thought not.

[Szegedist]

Can you back any of the above statements with any credible facts? I thought not.

On 3 April 1945 American troops began to occupy the city of Suhl. Weapons manufacturing was completely prohibited during this time. Hugo Schmeisser and his brother Hans were interrogated for weeks by weapon expert teams of the American and British secret services. At the end of June 1945, American troops evacuated Suhl and all of Thuringia. One month later, the Red Army assumed control over the area, starting a civilian works project to manufacture weapons for the Soviet Union. By August 1945, the Red Army had created 50 StG44s from existing assembly parts, and had begun inspecting their design. 10,785 sheets of technical designs were confiscated by the Soviets as part of their research. In October 1945, Schmeisser was forced to work for the Red Army and instructed to continue development of new weapons.

Schmeisser's brilliance continued to impress the Red Army, and he, along with other weapons designers and their families, was relocated to the USSR. On 24 October 1946 the German specialists rode a train to Izhevsk in the southern Ural Mountains, where a center of Russian firearms development was located.

Schmeisser was one of 16 Germans for which a special department (no. 58) was created at factory number 74, later known as Izmash. Schmeisser was appointed as one of the five designers of the group, together with Kurt Horn and Werner Gruner (both from Grossfuss) and Oscar Schink (from Gustloff), under the formal leadership of Karl Barnitske (also from Gustloff). There is some evidence that Schmeisser was uncooperative with the Soviets because he received the most negative review by his Soviet handlers in this group of five German designers. In these Soviet reviews, Schmeisser was described as a "practical man", who invoked his lack of formal training whenever he was presented with any design problems.[1] Initially Schmeisser was given a salary of 5,000 rubles per month, but this was cut after two just months to 3,500 rubles, and a month later to 2,500 rubles. These official Soviet reports match the memoirs of Yevgeny Dragunov, who described Schmeisser as afflicted by chronic lung disease and not engaging in much activity, unlike Gruner, whom Dragunov described as brilliant man, who had contributed considerably.[2]

Schmeisser worked in Izhevsk until 1952 when he and other German specialists returned home to Germany. With short notice, his stay in the Soviet Union was extended beyond that of the other weapon specialists by a half year. He finally returned home on 9 June 1952. Schmeisser died on 12 September 1953, and was buried in Suhl.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Schmeisser#After_World_War_II

[Pankration]

^interesting theory, I've never heard of that before

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The M16 was shown to be a superior weapon to the AK47. The AK47 lacks accuracy. The difference between life and death is accuracy. I'm a Lt. Col. and so I know what I speak of.

[Furnace]

The M16 was shown to be a superior weapon to the AK47. The AK47 lacks accuracy. The difference between life and death is accuracy. I'm a Lt. Col. and so I know what I speak of.

The rifles have a bit different usage, the calibres are very different, so the AK47 can essentially deal far more damage at close range.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/7.62x51_5.56x45.JPG/569px-7.62x51_5.56x45.JPG
7.62x51(AK47) vs 5.56x45(M16)

But you are right, M16 is superior when it comes to medium range and beyond.
The M16 is closer to a rifle, while the AK47 is closer to a machine gun.

M16 vs AK47 test:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stqV32wsvbc

[Yaroslav]

The M16 was shown to be a superior weapon to the AK47. The AK47 lacks accuracy. The difference between life and death is accuracy. I'm a Lt. Col. and so I know what I speak of.

LOL! Vietnam War proves AK 47 is superior.

[Celto-Slav]

The standard weapon in Finnish army rk 62 is a far superior weapon to ak-47 at least in absolute shooting accuracy and overall quality. However ak has it's qualities too, it is lighter and smaller and gives you mobility, which I like and somehow just feels good and natural in your hands. Also at least in Finland ak's usually came with a folding stock whereas in rk's such marvels were far in between and when you were able to get one in your hands it was a sight to oggle and coolest thing ever.

the Finnish rifle is a machined receiver ak with a few modification, they are the same family of guns, the soviets in the 60's allowed Finland to buy a license for it

[Fractal]

Not sure if this is accurate, but the Kalashnikov design was based around the German Sturmgewehr 44.

http://i54.tinypic.com/30xabe1.jpg

[Harkonnen]

the Finnish rifle is a machined receiver ak with a few modification, they are the same family of guns, the soviets in the 60's allowed Finland to buy a license for it

Blah blah, all gunz are basically same shit but if you tried those and compared you'd understand they are completely different weapons.

[Laberia]

Blah blah, all gunz are basically same shit but if you tried those and compared you'd understand they are completely different weapons.

I am not informed about this finnish gun, but i can tell you that AK can be dismantled with only three movements. More simple and deadly at the same time weapon, hard to find.

[Laberia]

^interesting theory, I've never heard of that before
Yes it's true, stolen from the Germans.

[Laberia]

If i am not wrong, there is an African country who have AK-47 in his national flag.

[Faklon]

Laberia is the master of AK-47, listen to him.

I also heard that he wears a shoe size 47 when he wildly shoots with it.