E-V13 in Spain and by proxy Latin Americans Origin

[Tropico]

Some theories:

- The discovery of E-V13 in Spain is unexpected on a number of different reasons: there is relatively little of it there now; it had previously been associated with the inland route of the spread of agriculture, as well as the spread of the Greeks to Sicily and Provence, or Roman soldiers at a much later date.
While this Neolithic E-V13 may well have come from the Balkans, and the common ancestor of the very uniform present-day Balkan cluster may have lived after this Spanish find, it is now certain that E-V13 was established in Europe long before the Bronze Age. This highlights the need to avoid Y-STR based calculations on modern populations for inferring patterns of ancient history, and not to conflate TMRCAs with "dates of arrival": "In short: a particular TMRCA is consistent with either the arrival of the lineage long before and long after the TMRCA in a particular geographical area."

Some results:

- The Ave07 haplotype was also compared with current Eb1b1a2 haplotypes previously published (10–14). It appeared identical at the seven markers tested to five Albanian, two Bosnian, one Greek, one Italian, one Sicilian, two Corsican, and two Provence French samples and are thus placed on the same node of the E1b1b1a1b-V13 network as eastern, central, and western Mediterranean haplotypes (Fig. S1).

Feel free to post and discuss actual Scientific Papers about the subject. Trolling, ignorance or conspiracy theories (some of you are nuts) will be reported and deleted.

[Tropico]

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[Carlito's Way]

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-V13.gif

[Tropico]

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-V13.gif

I really wanna know the Iberian origins of E-V13. If they are brought over primarily from the Roman expansion to Iberia or if its older than that.

[Carlito's Way]

I really wanna know the Iberian origins of E-V13. If they are brought over primarily from the Roman expansion to Iberia or if its older than that.

ill try to look and see what i can find about it

[Tropico]

ill try to look and see what i can find about it

If i could do a test to find out where my E-V13 is most similar too I would.

[Tropico]

I like how Iberians look at this thread and ignore its existence lol

[B01AB20]

I like how Iberians look at this thread and ignore its existence lol

http://es.dreamstime.com/cara-enojada-thumb3053593.jpg

I'm looking at this thread with all my atention, be aware with what you write caribbean boy.

questoymuloco yo.

and what the hell is this V-713?, the gen of balcanism?

[Tropico]

http://es.dreamstime.com/cara-enojada-thumb3053593.jpg

I'm looking at this thread with all my atention, be aware with what you write caribbean boy.

questoymuloco yo.

and what the hell is this V-713?, the gen of balcanism?

Any trolling or off topic will quickly be removed. So watch your step.

[Damião de Góis]

I like how Iberians look at this thread and ignore its existence lol

That's because there is not much to say about E-V13 from our point of view. It's a minority haplogroup like T or G2a.

[Tropico]

That's because there is not much to say about E-V13 from our point of view. It's a minority haplogroup like T or G2a.

You don't find it's origins (possible) interesting? It could be Neolithic, brought over by Roman colonization, etc. I find it very interesting. (I just want to be able to say I'm the direct male descendant of a Roman) lol

[Damião de Góis]

You don't find it's origins (possible) interesting? It could be Neolithic, brought over by Roman colonization, etc. I find it very interesting. (I just want to be able to say I'm the direct male descendant of a Roman) lol

I don't think so, it doesn't correlate with the roman empire:

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-V13.gif

It's probably the result of prehistoric migrations.

[Tropico]

I don't think so, it doesn't correlate with the roman empire:

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-V13.gif

It's probably the result of prehistoric migrations.

Correlate how? Didn't they set up colonies along the Southern Coast? And isn't that were the higher rates of E1b are found in Iberia?

[Longbowman]

I imagine it's older, like E1b1b throughout Europe.

[Tropico]

I imagine it's older, like E1b1b throughout Europe.

There go my hopes of being a direct male Roman descendant . Just Iberian... Lol

[Longbowman]

There go my hopes of being a direct male Roman descendant . Just Iberian... Lol

My words are not gospel truth, you know - although obviously I think I'm right. You could be the descendant of a Roman anyway. You almost certainly are, in fact, seeing as after the second century nearly all Romans were Roman citizens and Iberia (Hispania) was a Roman province.

[Tropico]

My words are not gospel truth, you know - although obviously I think I'm right. You could be the descendant of a Roman anyway. You almost certainly are, in fact, seeing as after the second century nearly all Romans were Roman citizens and Iberia (Hispania) was a Roman province.

Yeah but I wanted to be of a true Roman from the actual Roman Empire in Italy. Lol

[Longbowman]

Yeah but I wanted to be of a true Roman from the actual Roman Empire in Italy. Lol

Sorry buddy, probably not. What's wrong with Galicians?

[Tropico]

Sorry buddy, probably not. What's wrong with Galicians?

It's way cooler to say you're a descendant of the Roman Empire, way more than plain Iberians.

[cally]

Isn't it associated with Ancient Greek/Thracian expansion? e-v13 is native to the balkans

[Empecinado]

Doesn't correlate with the Roman expansion, because the north was barely Romanized. BTW, there were no Iberians in the north but Celts.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5EXoGZpIPgk/UVqQHAY1w2I/AAAAAAAAAdk/MmHPx_wli9E/s1600/mapa+hispania+prerromana.png

[Longbowman]

Isn't it associated with Ancient Greek/Thracian expansion? e-v13 is native to the balkans

Sure but its spread around Europe like the rest of E1b1b happened so long ago as to make it native, but rare, to many areas. R1b and R1a spread into Europe far later, so if E1b1b can't be considered Galician/German etc, neither can R1b (E1b1b is found throughout Europe, but yes, at far greater rates in the Balkans. Hitler, the Wright Brothers and Napoleon were all E1b1b though).

[Tropico]

Sure but its spread around Europe like the rest of E1b1b happened so long ago as to make it native, but rare, to many areas. R1b and R1a spread into Europe far later, so if E1b1b can't be considered Galician/German etc, neither can R1b (E1b1b is found throughout Europe, but yes, at far greater rates in the Balkans. Hitler, the Wright Brothers and Napoleon were all E1b1b though).

So E-V13 in Iberia came from where? The Balkan Pre-Roman expansion or directly from the Middle East in Neolithic times?

[Longbowman]

So E-V13 in Iberia came from where? The Balkan Pre-Roman expansion or directly from the Middle East in Neolithic times?

Both, eh? The Neolithic expansion happened via Anatolia and the Balkans and took around 2,000 years or perhaps more to get to Britain. So E1b1b entered the Balkans via the Bosphorous, then branched out (in smaller numbers) and colonised the entire European continent. Take pride for your ancestors brought civilization to Europe :)

[Tropico]

Both, eh? The Neolithic expansion happened via Anatolia and the Balkans and took around 2,000 years or perhaps more to get to Britain. So E1b1b entered the Balkans via the Bosphorous, then branched out (in smaller numbers) and colonised the entire European continent. Take pride for your ancestors brought civilization to Europe :)

Lol whatever I'd rather be the descender of Augustus. ;) haha

[Longbowman]

Lol whatever I'd rather be the descender of Augustus. ;) haha

Bro had 0 sons and 1 daughter who herself had no children, so no one is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_the_Elder

[Ouistreham]

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-V13.gif

Sounds to me like the compound result of several unrelated developments:
• Reclaiming of the Mediterranean shores after the last Ice age,
• Greek colonies founded between 300 and 100 BC,
• Eastern genes brought from the lower Danubian regions
— to Italy and Spain by the Goths,
— to Central Europe by the Huns and Avars

There are some similarities with this map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Voelkerwanderungkarte.png

[Tropico]

Bro had 0 sons and 1 daughter who herself had no children, so no one is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_the_Elder

Bummer. The maybe just a Greek god in general. Maybe Apollo, Dionysus, Poseidon, Eros? Lol

[Longbowman]

Sounds to me like the compound result of several unrelated developments:
• Reclaiming of the Mediterranean shores after the last Ice age,
• Greek colonies founded between 300 and 100 BC,
• Eastern genes brought from the lower Danubian regions
— to Italy and Spain by the Goths,
— to Central Europe by the Huns and Avars

There are some similarities with this map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Voelkerwanderungkarte.png

Except E traces to Africa and more recently the Middle East and more recently the Balkans, not Scythia, and the Hunnic invasions are far too late too account for its spread. It is neolithic in origin, pre-R in Europe. The Goths, too, would not have been the originators of E1b1b, though I'm sure some Goths had it.

[Artek]

The oldest EV-13 ever found was from Spain, it's just one of the farming haplogroups. Studies on EV-13 done so far are quite poor but I think that most subbranches of Iberian EV-13 are rather distinct.

[Lábaru]

Do not worry Tropico, I'm sure you have very little heritage from Iberia.

[Tropico]

Do not worry Tropico, I'm sure you have very little heritage from Iberia.

Most of my heritage is from Iberia, a good chunk is. Its just its way more interesting to have a Direct male ancestor from Rome. But whatever. Ill just look up some rings about Iberia that'll make me proud of having a Iberian forefather instead.

[Tropico]

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[Kastrioti1443]

Isn't it associated with Ancient Greek/Thracian expansion? e-v13 is native to the balkans

Wrong! Ev-13 is nothing more, nothing less than just an Albanian haplogroup.

[Artek]

Wrong! Ev-13 is nothing more, nothing less than just an Albanian haplogroup.
http://makesmyheadspin.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/funny-gifs-haha-good-one.gif

[Kastrioti1443]

http://makesmyheadspin.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/funny-gifs-haha-good-one.gif

I get your feeling my mongol friend.