Kurdish Y-DNA

[Black Wolf]

I have always found the Kurds to be quite an interesting group of people. My interest in them has grown even more now that I see that many share the same Y-DNA haplogroup that I do. A blogger who I think may also be a member here has compiled all known Kurdish Y-DNA into one spot on the net which truly is awesome! From the looks of it haplogroups J2a, R1a1 and E1b1b are the three main Y-DNA haplogroups found among Kurds. Other haplogroups such as G2a, L and R1b are also found among Kurds among some others. Here is a link to the Kurdish DNA blog in case anyone else is interested. The Y-DNA haplogroup composition of Kurds makes sense given the area of the world that they come from.

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.ca/2013/10/kurdish-y-dna-part-x.html

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.ca/

[Anglojew]

Q's rare but present

[Black Wolf]

Q's rare but present

Same with C.

[MarkyMark]

There are definitely Lur, Gyspy, and Baloch elements among the Kurds. Connections between the Kurds and these people have been stated by Vladmir Minorsky(Russian), Al-Talibi(Arab), Sharaf Bidlisi(Kurd), and other Kurdish historians. Probably explains the great amount of variety.

[Black Wolf]

There are definitely Lur, Gyspy, and Baloch elements among the Kurds. Connections between the Kurds and these people have been stated by Vladmir Minorsky(Russian), Al-Talibi(Arab), Sharaf Bidlisi(Kurd), and other Kurdish historians. Probably explains the great amount of variety.

I can see Lur and Baloch for sure but I never really considered Gypsy but there is some H among the Kurds so yes I suppose it is a possibility.

[Anglojew]

One theory is Balochs are of Kurdish origin

[Hadouken]

I can see Lur and Baloch for sure but I never really considered Gypsy but there is some H among the Kurds so yes I suppose it is a possibility.

he doesnt like kurds so i would be careful to believe shit he says

[Black Wolf]

he doesnt like kurds so i would be careful to believe shit he says

Thanks for the heads up my friend. :)

[Black Wolf]

Be-Real you need to get your Y-DNA tested man! Which part of Kurdistan does your family come from?

[Hadouken]

Be-Real you need to get your Y-DNA tested man! Which part of Kurdistan does your family come from?

Dersim

[Black Wolf]

Dersim

Which tribe do you know?

[MarkyMark]

he doesnt like kurds so i would be careful to believe shit he says

Does Sharaf Bidlisi also hate Kurds?

[Hadouken]

Which tribe do you know?

tribe ?

[Black Wolf]

tribe ?

Don't most Kurds have tribes they belong to?

[Hadouken]

Don't most Kurds have tribes they belong to?

i am a little confused right now ....yes we do but i think i just mixed some things up in my head

i will research (ask family members) and tell you more

[orangepulp]

A blogger who I think may also be a member here [/url]

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.ca/
This blogger is Palisto from ABF but he was banned from ABF a long time back.

[Rambo07]

One theory is Balochs are of Kurdish origin

Actually they are Anglojew seperated by 1000-1200 years, linguistically.

[Black Wolf]

i am a little confused right now ....yes we do but i think i just mixed some things up in my head

i will research (ask family members) and tell you more

Cool thanks man I look forward to hearing about it. Here is a list of Kurdish tribes. These are what I am talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_tribes

[MarkyMark]

Actually they are Anglojew seperated by 1000-1200 years.

Meaning Balochs came about 200 years after the first sign of Kurds.

[StonyArabia]

Which tribe do you know?

Probably from the Zaza Kurds since they are Alevis mostly.

[Hadouken]

Probably from the Zaza Kurds since they are Alevis mostly.

I am 3/4 kurmanji and 1/4 zaza

[StonyArabia]

I am 3/4 kurmanji and 1/4 zaza

I see from what I know Alevism is mostly practiced but Zaza and most of the Kurmanji are Sunnis. The Soranis in Iraq are all Sunnis, but the Fayli Kurds are all 12er Shias.

[Black Wolf]

I am 3/4 kurmanji and 1/4 zaza

Is your paternal grandfather (father's father) Kurmanji or Zaza?

[Hadouken]

I see from what I know Alevism is mostly practiced but Zaza and most of the Kurmanji are Sunnis. The Soranis in Iraq are all Sunnis, but the Fayli Kurds are all 12er Shias.

didnt know that but all of my grandparents were alevis afaik


Is your paternal grandfather (father's father) Kurmanji or Zaza?

my paternal grandmom was zaza

[Black Wolf]

I also find it interesting how many Kurds were nomads in the not so distant past as well.

[StonyArabia]

I also find it interesting how many Kurds were nomads in the not so distant past as well.

They always had combo some were nomadic and some were settled. They also have created several empires and emirates in the region. The most famous empire they have created was that of the Ayyubids founded by Saladin himself a Kurd from what is now Tikrit.

[Black Wolf]

They always had combo some were nomadic and some were settled. They also have created several empires and emirates in the region. The most famous empire they have created was that of the Ayyubids founded by Saladin himself a Kurd from what is now Tikrit.

Yes that is correct Saladin indeed was a Kurd.

[StonyArabia]

Yes that is correct Saladin indeed was a Kurd.

Yes he was, and highly respected by Kurds and all Muslims, and even by his foes.

[Black Wolf]

Yes he was, and highly respected by Kurds and all Muslims, and even by his foes.

He was a great warrior indeed.

[Black Wolf]

didnt know that but all of my grandparents were alevis afaik



my paternal grandmom was zaza

Did you manage to find out which tribe you are part of yet buddy?

[Germaniac]

Saladin from Tikrit? That's Saddam Hussein's town.

[Rojava]

Saladin from Tikrit? That's Saddam Hussein's town.

Yes but his ancestral origins were from a city called Dvin which is in modern day Armenia. His father migrated after his tribe was attacked by Turks.

Saladin was a Kurd, but I don't think he cared. He was a Muslim first and foremost.

[Demhat]

Yes but his ancestral origins were from a city called Dvin which is in modern day Armenia. His father migrated after his tribe was attacked by Turks.

Saladin was a Kurd, but I don't think he cared. He was a Muslim first and foremost.

His tribe was a famous Kurdish group in South Caucasus and Iranian/Eastern Kurdistan.


Rawwadids conquered the lands of the Musafirid ruler Ibrahim I ibn Marzuban I, in Azarbaijan in 979. Wahsudan bin Mamlan is the best known Rawwadid ruler, and he is mentioned by Ibn Athir. The regions of Tabriz, Maragheh and the strongholds of Sahand mountain were in his possession. In 1029, he helped the Hadhbani Kurds in Maragheh to defeat the invading Oghuz Turkish tribes.

Saladins tribe moved to help the Hadhbani Kurds in Adiabene (which derives it's name from Hadhbani) to push back the invading Oghuz tribes. This was one of the main reasons why the Seljuks pretty much detoured Southern Kurdistan and took the Malazgirt route. And this is how the ancestors of Saladin ended up in Tikrit which was during that time ethnically mixed (allot of Kurds there). However later the Hadhbani Kurds got into alliance with the Seljuks.

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Turan Shah ,Tuğtekin and Börü are interesting names for being Kurd Saladin's brothers.
So are Muzafferüddin Gökböri and Tokuş ..as relatives

[Demhat]

Turan Shah ,Tuğtekin and Börü are interesting names for being Kurd Saladin's brothers.
So are Muzafferüddin Gökböri and Tokuş ..as relatives

So is Osman, Mehmed for Turk Ottoman rulers. I know personally a Yezidi Kurd who is named Turan.
Another of Saladins famous brothers is Asad ad-Dīn Sherkoh

Asad ad-Dīn Shīrkūh bin Shādhī (in Arabic: أسد الدين شيركوه بن شاذي‎), also known as Shirkuh, Shêrkoh, or Shêrko (meaning "lion of the mountains" in Kurdish)



al-Malik al-Afdal Najm ad-Din Ayyub ibn Shadhi ibn Marwan (Arabic: الملك ألأفضل نجم الدين أيوب بن شاﺬي بن مروان)) (died August 9, 1173) was a Kurdish soldier and politician from Dvin,[1] and the father of Saladin.[2] He is eponymous ancestor of the Ayyubid dynasty.

His fathers name Marwan is oldschool Kurdish and derives from the Kurdish city of Mariwan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marivan




Also while I have never heard of börü or Tugtekin, Shah is definitely an Iranian title. Also as I wrote Saladins tribe stood in close contact to the Oghuz tribes.



But what is for sure is Saladins origin. His tribal origin is well documented. He belonged to the Shafi'i school of thouhgts. Turks were always Hanafis while the majority of Kurds Shafi'i. It was actually Saladin who made the Shafi'i school of thouhgts in Eastern Egypt and Iraq prominent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafi%27i#mediaviewer/File:Madhhab_Map2.png



depictions of Saladin show him clearly in traditional Kurdish costumes/headgear
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Saladin2.jpg/220px-Saladin2.jpg
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/saladin--al-ayyubid-the-kurd-adam-asar.jpg

traditional Kurds.
http://i.radikal.com.tr/644x385/2012/05/25/fft5_mf988784.Jpeghttp://www.saradistribution.com/foto3/pesmergen125salbere.jpghttp://www.saradistribution.com/foto2/AmadeoPreziosi1816_1882.jpghttp://www.saradistribution.com/foto3/kurdenQefqazekevin12232653.jpghttp://www.saradistribution.com/foto3/kurdman_1780_engravings.jpg


The whole world has accepted Saladins Kurdish heritage. Don't you think it's kinda silly to still doubt it even though his tribal roots are well documented?

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Osman Mehmed etc are Islamic names ,any multi cultural empire citizen can be a Osman or Mehmed regardless of ethnicity.
Turan Shah ,Tuğtekin , Börü , Gökböri and Tokuş pure ethnic Türk names , no other person would name his children with those if he has no Türk etnicity . .
Useless debate.
this whole world (!) is trying to give you at least one national hero ..so they borrow from us.It is not the first time they try to change realities on table.

By the way he shared his country among his sons before his death just like any Khan according to Turkic customs.

[Demhat]

Osman Mehmed etc are Islamic names ,any multi cultural empire citizen can be a Osman or Mehmed regardless of ethnicity.
Turan Shah ,Tuğtekin , Börü , Gökböri and Tokuş pure ethnic Türk names , no other person would name his children with those if he has no Türk etnicity . .
Useless debate.
this whole world (!) is trying to give you at least one national hero ..so they borrow from us.It is not the first time they try to change realities on table.

By the way he shared his country among his sons before his death just like any Khan according to Turkic customs.


Sharing the country between his sons is a world given tradition. But how could you know about that :rolleyes:
Maybe European Kings were also Turks?
Explain to me why his tribe went to Adiabene and fought successfully the Oghuz Turks in support of the Hadbhani Kurds?:coffee:

Now trying to find some excuses. Since when is Shah a Islamic title? So why are Turks using Shah :bored:
nowadays Mehmed and Osman are Islamic names but back than they were simply Arabic.
Also you didn't even try to refute any of my other arguments. Saladin was Shafii Muslim Turks are all Hanefis but Kurds are Shafii. Saladins brothers name was Sherko and his fathers was Marwan. But you are simply too " intelligent" to get that through your brain. Thats why you ignore these names. Saladins wife might have been Turkmen, but you are simply one dumb troll because denying academing standards is considered trolling.

Did you even know that Turanshah was not really his name but a title given after a city in Western Iran/Kurdistan where no Turk set ever foot in. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan_Shah,_Iran
His real name was Shams ad-Din. Of course you don't know :bored:

Also prove me that he had brothers called Gökbörü and Tokus. Not a single source could I find. :coffee:

A lesson in Kurdish history for you.

The Zand Dynasty which brought an end to Afshar rule in Iran was Kurdish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zand_dynasty

The Ayyubid Dynasty which brought an end to crusader control of the holy lands and compromised lands from Egypt, Yemen, the Levant all the way into Anatolia and Mesopotamia was Kurdish with an Kurdish Elite, with Saladin as the leader. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayyubid_dynasty


Simko Shikak brought the Iranian-Qajar army to it's feets by defeating them on several battlefields with a force not even a sixth of the size of the Iranian military until he was tricked and poisened to death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simko_Shikak

The Safavid Dynasty was started with the Kurdish Safaviyya order which was the Kurdish Elite of the Safavid Dynasty. Shah Ismail leader of Safavids belonged to this Elite order and was as well of Kurdish origin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safaviyya

The Medes and their successor the Parthians who controlled allmost all of West Asia and South_Central Asia are the ancestors of the Kurds.

Now get back into the dark whole where you crawl out. At the end of the day You won't change the reality and academicly accepted facts.

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Don't worry I am not very much fond of this tri-blooded Saladin ( He has Arabic roots too) .
You can keep him .Enjoy your Turko Kurdish fabricated hero .We have plenty already

[random]

So is Osman, Mehmed for Turk Ottoman rulers. I know personally a Yezidi Kurd who is named Turan.
Another of Saladins famous brothers is Asad ad-Dīn Sherkoh


His fathers name Marwan is oldschool Kurdish and derives from the Kurdish city of Mariwan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marivan




Also while I have never heard of börü or Tugtekin, Shah is definitely an Iranian title. Also as I wrote Saladins tribe stood in close contact to the Oghuz tribes.



But what is for sure is Saladins origin. His tribal origin is well documented. He belonged to the Shafi'i school of thouhgts. Turks were always Hanafis while the majority of Kurds Shafi'i. It was actually Saladin who made the Shafi'i school of thouhgts in Eastern Egypt and Iraq prominent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafi%27i#mediaviewer/File:Madhhab_Map2.png



depictions of Saladin show him clearly in traditional Kurdish costumes/headgear
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Saladin2.jpg/220px-Saladin2.jpg
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/saladin--al-ayyubid-the-kurd-adam-asar.jpg

traditional Kurds.
http://i.radikal.com.tr/644x385/2012/05/25/fft5_mf988784.Jpeghttp://www.saradistribution.com/foto3/pesmergen125salbere.jpghttp://www.saradistribution.com/foto2/AmadeoPreziosi1816_1882.jpghttp://www.saradistribution.com/foto3/kurdenQefqazekevin12232653.jpghttp://www.saradistribution.com/foto3/kurdman_1780_engravings.jpg


The whole world has accepted Saladins Kurdish heritage. Don't you think it's kinda silly to still doubt it even though his tribal roots are well documented?

Marwan is an Arab name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwan_I

[Hubal]

Yep, marwan means solid like a rock // Marw-aan "like quartz"

[Eusocial]

Sort of OT. The Yezidi/Kurdish story of Malek Taus is pretty interesting. Sounds like a poetic story about a real person.

Like the Druze story about Yitro, or the Armenian Hayk. Were these just symbolic, or were they real people a long time ago? Not exactly part of the Biblical religions, but connected to them.

[random]

Did Kurds even exist as a single unique ethnicity at the times of Saladin?

[Demhat]

Did Kurds even exist as a single unique ethnicity at the times of Saladin?
They are mentioned in Arabic scripts as Akrad (whcih means Kurd in Arabic) quite a few centuries earlier when the Arab hordes first came into contact with them. During Saladins times the remnants of the local Parthians(Medes) had already formed into Kurds as a single ethnicity.

[Demhat]

Yep, marwan means solid like a rock // Marw-aan "like quartz"

I couldn't find any source indicating an Arbaic origin for Marwan. There are quite allot of words in Arabic of Greek and Iranic origin.

However having Arabic names, especialy of famous Muslim individuals was quite normal in the Muslim world. Saladin, Nur adin, Osman, Mehmed are also of Arabic origin. Even today almost 1/3 of names in the Muslim world are of Arabic origin. probably 1/3 of Turks/Kurds/Persians/Muslim Balkanians/Caucasians use Arabic names.

Only Sherko and likely Turan Shah are Kurdish names. Turan Shah beeing a city in Kurdish Kermanshah from which he came and Sherko (Saladins uncle) meaning "Lion of the mountains" in Kurdish.

[Hubal]

I couldn't find any source indicating an Arbaic origin for Marwan. There are quite allot of words in Arabic of Greek and Iranic origin.

However having Arabic names, especialy of famous Muslim individuals was quite normal in the Muslim world. Saladin, Nur adin, Osman, Mehmed are also of Arabic origin. Only Sherko and likely Turan Shah are Kurdish names. Turan Shah beeing a city in Kurdish Kermanshah and Sherko (Saladins uncle) meaning "Lion of the mountains.

Marwan is purely arabic, like i said earlier it's from Marw which means quartz in arabic.
and yes Akrad is arabic for Kurds, just like Atrak for Turks, Aqbat for Copts ...

[Demhat]

Marwan is purely arabic, like i said earlier it's from Marw which means quartz in arabic.
and yes Akrad is arabic for Kurds, just like Atrak for Turks, Aqbat for Copts ...



Well thanks than I seem to have been wrong or did confuse Marwan with Mariwan which is a Kurdish city.

[Rojava]

The name of the tribe doesn't really matter. There were many Kurdish tribes with Arabic names because of Islam. Talking of tribes. I just found my tribe on wiki. It seems we have Northern Kurdish origins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balak_tribe

The naming of Balak tribe came from the area that they inhabit.[3] The oldest source that mentions the name of Balak Tribe is (The book of مسالك الأبصار في ممالك الأمصار, Masalik al-absar fi mamalik al-amsar) "the name Balak derives from Balakan Village"[4] in Northern Kurdistan which currently is under Turkeys occupation. Balakan means home place of Balak's. Also the Ottoman Sharif Pasha mentions in his report that some clans of Balak tribe reside in Zooka and Mashkan regions in Northern Kurdistan. and the name of Balak Tribe was Mentioned in Seyahatname by Evliya Çelebi.[5]

Balak Tribe are neighbors with Mangoor and Mamash tribes in North, Bradost Tribe in West, Khoshnaw Tribe in south and Ako tribe in East. and had good relations with those tribes. Balak was one of the main Tribe members in the union of Billbas Federation. and they took part of many wars and battles against Ottoman and Safavid Empires.

[StonyArabia]

Iraqi Arabs are Hanafi Sunnis, we'll Kurds are Shafi, southern Iraqi Arabs who are Sunni and nomadic are Malaki Sunnis. It's true that Saladin changed Egypt from Ismail Shiaism to Sunnism, this also continued under the Mamlukes who preferred Sunnism.

[Demhat]

Iraqi Arabs are Hanafi Sunnis, we'll Kurds are Shafi, southern Iraqi Arabs who are Sunni and nomadic are Malaki Sunnis. It's true that Saladin changed Egypt from Ismail Shiaism to Sunnism, this also continued under the Mamlukes who preferred Sunnism.



Exactly the only Shafi Muslims in that area are Kurds. The reason why Egypt today is Shafi'i(the East) and Hanefi(the West) mixed, is because of Saladin (shafi'i) and the Mamluks(Hanefi).

@Karker
As I said having Arabic names or even connecting themselves to Muhammeds tribe was quite a common thing in the Muslim world. Many people even still claim to be descend of Muhammed despite Muhammed never came in contact with these areas.

[Ice]

Saladin is overrated. I can understand why crusaders love/respect him, he was nice to them. Nureddin Zengi is the real hero.

About his origin: he was a Kurd.

[Demhat]

Saladin is overrated. I can understand why crusaders love/respect him, he was nice to them. Nureddin Zengi is the real hero.

About his origin: he was a Kurd.

While Crusaders killed the prisoners, Saladin gave them a chance to get free and even freed thousand of old people and Children by himself. There is a reason why Saladin is respected in the Western world. During Saladins time, the Muslim world was at it's best stage, because Saladin was the Islamic leader who gave science allot of attention. After his reign the Muslim world fell more and more into fanatism.

Almost all Islamic contribution to science came during his rule.

[Ice]

He's more a traitor to me. The way he revolted against Zengi is not right. He also took his wife to humiliate him.

Molla Gurani or Idris-i Bitlisi (both kurds) are more important than Saladin.

[Demhat]

He's more a traitor to me. The way he revolted against Zengi is not right. He also took his wife to humiliate him.

Molla Gurani or Idris-i Bitlisi (both kurds) are more important than Saladin.


I heard allot of Molla Gurani. Wasn't this the Guy who was something like a teacher to some Ottoman Sultans. He was from the Gurani tribe who came originally from South Kurdistan.

Taking the widow of the former Sultan was nothing unusual. Also Zengi and Saladin were competitors. he didn't like Zengi's way of ruling. If Saladin didn't take over his position it is unlikely that the Muslims would have united against the Crusaders.

[Ice]

Yes, he was the teacher of Mehmet II ("the Conqueror").

[MarkyMark]

His tribe was a famous Kurdish group in South Caucasus and Iranian/Eastern Kurdistan.



Saladins tribe moved to help the Hadhbani Kurds in Adiabene (which derives it's name from Hadhbani) to push back the invading Oghuz tribes. This was one of the main reasons why the Seljuks pretty much detoured Southern Kurdistan and took the Malazgirt route. And this is how the ancestors of Saladin ended up in Tikrit which was during that time ethnically mixed (allot of Kurds there). However later the Hadhbani Kurds got into alliance with the Seljuks.

I call bullshit.

1. Let me reiterate that Kurds first appeared in the Medieval period.
2. Adiabene was originally a district between the upper and lower Zab, i.e. the Assyrian heartland, way before the arrival of Kurds.
3. The people of Adiabene convert from the ancient Assyrian religion to Judaism.
4. The main two languages used were Syriac and Hebrew.

So you can't really claim that preposterous b.s.

[Demhat]

MarkyMark your live is bullshit. Go search for a wife and if you can't find one buy a Doll or maybe you are on your menstruation. :picard2:

Ah so you are an ASSyrian. No wonder you are such a key warrior. Why don't you go to Iraq and save your people from getting slaughtered.

There is obviously enough evidences and sources that Adiabene is named after the Kurdish tribe of Hadbhani which is local to that area.

[Myth]

Correct me if I'm wrong but in regards to the kurds, aren't they related to the Persians? Isn't part of the area they live, doesn't this belong to the Assyrians?

[MarkyMark]

MarkyMark your live is bullshit. Go search for a wife and if you can't find one buy a Doll or maybe you are on your menstruation. :picard2:

Ah so you are an ASSyrian. No wonder you are such a key warrior. Why don't you go to Iraq and save your people from getting slaughtered.

There is obviously enough evidences and sources that Adiabene is named after the Kurdish tribe of Hadbhani which is local to that area.

Hahahaha. Typical middle eastern temper. Have you thought to yourself for one second....Hmmm maybe the tribe adopted the name of the place after moving there to distinguish themselves from another tribe? You know, common sense like this takes people a long way. All it takes is a rough knowledge of middle eastern history and a google search to find this stuff out.

[MarkyMark]

Correct me if I'm wrong but in regards to the kurds, aren't they related to the Persians? Isn't part of the area they live, doesn't this belong to the Assyrians?

You're absolutely correct but since Middle eastern christians can't hold their populations up in comparison to Muslims, Kurds have come to control much of the region.

[Demhat]

Correct me if I'm wrong but in regards to the kurds, aren't they related to the Persians? Isn't part of the area they live, doesn't this belong to the Assyrians?

You are wrong. beeing related to persians what does that prove? ASSyrians are related to Saudis. So your point? ASSyrians (by the way which are different to modern people who claim to be Assyrians but in reality are just some branches of Aramaic speakers) did invade from the southern Levant. And immigrated earlier from Northeast Africa like all Afro Asiatic speakers.

[MarkyMark]

You are wrong. beeing related to persians what does that prove? ASSyrians are related to Saudis. So your point? ASSyrians (by the way which are different to modern people who claim to be Assyrians but in reality are just some branches of Aramaic speakers) did invade from the southern Levant. And immigrated earlier from Northeast Africa like all Afro Asiatic speakers.

http://media.giphy.com/media/PRe0BcXo6bcxa/giphy.gif

[Demhat]

Hahahaha. Typical middle eastern temper. Have you thought to yourself for one second....Hmmm maybe the tribe adopted the name of the place after moving there to distinguish themselves from another tribe? You know, common sense like this takes people a long way. All it takes is a rough knowledge of middle eastern history and a google search to find this stuff out.

Typicall Middle Eastern behaviour? So what are you? You must be the Scando Elias Alucard I have heard of ;)
Is that you?
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/264279_228521400510243_5854079_n.jpg


So just because you didn't have the guts to fight for your rights we Kurds are now fault and should have done like you and all fled and than talked big from the diaspora? I am serious if you need a girl look at some dating sites (there are enough on the net).




Hadhabani (also: Hadhbani) was a large medieval Kurdish tribe divided into several groups, centered at Arbil, Ushnu and Urmia in central and north-eastern Kurdistan. Their dominion included surrounding areas of Maragha and Urmia to the east, Salmas to the north and parts of Arbil and Mosul to the west.

About 10th century they gradually immigrated northward to the areas around lake Urmia with Ushnu as their summer capital. They ruled the area for a while but later split to a few branches who spread across Azerbaijan (at times Turks still had not invaded Azerbaijan), and Caucasus. Saladin the renowned Muslim ruler was descendant of one of Hadhabani branches.[1]


A question did you ever thought about that you guys are in reality not relates to ancient Assyrians and just called yourself this way to find some legitimation for your incredible nonsense?

[Demhat]

http://media.giphy.com/media/PRe0BcXo6bcxa/giphy.gif

Laugh about yourself beeing all lonely with 40 of age and an empty brain with no knowledge of history. So where did Afro Asiatic speakers evolve my ASSyrian warrior? Are ASSyrians related to Saudis or not?

[Demhat]

Currently ISIS is attacking ASSyrians and all Marky Keyboard warrior mark is doing, is fapping and talking big on the net against Kurds, the same Kurds who are saving your asses from getting raped by ISIS.

[MarkyMark]

Typicall Middle Eastern behaviour? So what are you? You must be the Scando Elias Alucard I have heard of ;)
Is that you?
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/264279_228521400510243_5854079_n.jpg


So just because you didn't have the guts to fight for your rights we Kurds are now fault and should have done like you and all fled and than talked big from the diaspora? I am serious if you need a girl look at some dating sites (there are enough on the net).




A question did you ever thought about that you guys are in reality not relates to ancient Assyrians and just called yourself this way to find some legitimation for your incredible nonsense?

Dude, I'm not Elias. Lol. I'm not Assyrian nor do I have family in Iraq. That pic you have there is fucking hilarious though.


Currently ISIS is attacking ASSyrians and all Marky Keyboard warrior mark is doing, is fapping and talking big on the net against Kurds, the same Kurds who are saving your asses from getting raped by ISIS.

That is true, the Kurds have been protecting them and have been pretty tolerant lately.

[Myth]

Well out of fairness for the Kurds I am going to avoid making judgement as I've never met a Kurd, what I do know is for some reason Israel seems to have a positive relationship with Kurds, the reason why, I have no idea.

What I know from what Assyrians have told me is that Kurds were work if against the assyrians and want Nineveh plain province. It doesn't appear Kurds are semitic but if they are related to the hurrians then I can understand them belonging to the area. My history in school doesn't teach anything about Kurds , the Assyrians lay claim that northern Iraq and Syria and parts of Iran belongs to them and many Assyrians seem to also acknowledge the Jews history there too. What is the Kurds history and where do they come from and why the conflict with Assyrians ? Not everyone in the middle east is Arabic and if I recall Assyrians and Chaldeans while having similar religious beliefs are two different peoples and I believe their Aramaic dialects are different as well.

[MarkyMark]

Well out of fairness for the Kurds I am going to avoid making judgement as I've never met a Kurd, what I do know is for some reason Israel seems to have a positive relationship with Kurds, the reason why, I have no idea.

What I know from what Assyrians have told me is that Kurds were work if against the assyrians and want Nineveh plain province. It doesn't appear Kurds are semitic but if they are related to the hurrians then I can understand them belonging to the area. My history in school doesn't teach anything about Kurds , the Assyrians lay claim that northern Iraq and Syria and parts of Iran belongs to them and many Assyrians seem to also acknowledge the Jews history there too. What is the Kurds history and where do they come from and why the conflict with Assyrians ? Not everyone in the middle east is Arabic and if I recall Assyrians and Chaldeans while having similar religious beliefs are two different peoples and I believe their Aramaic dialects are different as well.

Whoever told you they are related to Hurrians is using psuedo-science to connect the two. I've seen their arguments and they don't convince me at all.

[Myth]

Whoever told you they are related to Hurrians is using psuedo-science to connect the two. I've seen their arguments and they don't convince me at all.

Why did Saddam Hussein hate the Kurds?

[Demhat]

Well out of fairness for the Kurds I am going to avoid making judgement as I've never met a Kurd, what I do know is for some reason Israel seems to have a positive relationship with Kurds, the reason why, I have no idea.

What I know from what Assyrians have told me is that Kurds were work if against the assyrians and want Nineveh plain province. It doesn't appear Kurds are semitic but if they are related to the hurrians then I can understand them belonging to the area. My history in school doesn't teach anything about Kurds , the Assyrians lay claim that northern Iraq and Syria and parts of Iran belongs to them and many Assyrians seem to also acknowledge the Jews history there too. What is the Kurds history and where do they come from and why the conflict with Assyrians ? Not everyone in the middle east is Arabic and if I recall Assyrians and Chaldeans while having similar religious beliefs are two different peoples and I believe their Aramaic dialects are different as well.

Most diaspora ASSyrians are simply opportunist liars they lay claim on every part of the Near East which they feel they might get something out from: We didn't go to Niniveh plains until the ASSyrian refugees started fleeing into Kurdistan. Most of the ASSyrians now residing in Kurdistan originally came from Baghdad this is a fact. Than when ISIS came they asked for help from Peshmerga this is why we went to Tel Afar. If we didn't ISIS would have massacred them and gave them a good lesson. But instead beeing thankfull diaspora ASSyrians are spreading all that crap on the net. ASSyrians are invaders from South Levant They came as Akkadians into Hurrian and Summerian lands. Hurrians are believed to have been some Northeast Caucasian with Indo_Iranic elite. All modern West Iranic groups have significant Hurrian admixture. Modern Northeast Caucasians like Lezgins who are believed to be related to Hurrians and Urartains are genetically very close to Iranic speakers. ASSyrians on the other hand cluster with Levantines.

[Demhat]

Why did Saddam Hussein hate the Kurds?


Saddam was a baathist nationalist and racist. He hated everyone differen't than his own group and ASSyrians assisted him in his campaign against Kurds, Chaldeans and Shiites and now they claim to be victims.

[MarkyMark]

Most diaspora ASSyrians are simply opportunist liars they lay claim on every part of the Near East which they feel they might get something out from: We didn't go to Niniveh plains until the ASSyrian refugees started fleeing into Kurdistan. Most of the ASSyrians now residing in Kurdistan originally came from Baghdad this is a fact. Than when ISIS came they asked for help from Peshmerga this is why we went to Tel Afar. If we didn't ISIS would have massacred them and gave them a good lesson. But instead beeing thankfull diaspora ASSyrians are spreading all that crap on the net. ASSyrians are invaders from South Levant They came as Akkadians into Hurrian and Summerian lands. Hurrians are believed to have been some Northeast Caucasian with Indo_Iranic elite. All modern West Iranic groups have significant Hurrian admixture. Modern Northeast Caucasians like Lezgins who are believed to be related to Hurrians and Urartains are genetically very close to Iranic speakers. ASSyrians on the other hand cluster with Levantines.

Internet is way different than real life, dude. No one trash talks Kurds tbh. Except on internet. But I only trash when I see something I think is false.


Saddam was a baathist nationalist and racist. He hated everyone differen't than his own group and ASSyrians assisted him in his campaign against Kurds, Chaldeans and Shiites and now they claim to be victims.

All the Iraqi baathists were pretty brutal. A few Assyrians were baathist politicians but other than that they did not do anything.

[StonyArabia]

Exactly the only Shafi Muslims in that area are Kurds. The reason why Egypt today is Shafi'i(the East) and Hanefi(the West) mixed, is because of Saladin (shafi'i) and the Mamluks(Hanefi]

Yes this is true. It's funny how Saladin replaced the Shia Ismaili Egypt with Sunnism and a policy which continued under the Mamlukes. Yeah the Kurds are majority Shafi Muslims, well Iraqi Arabs are Hanafi, Malaki(nomadic Sunni Bedouins), and of course 12er Shia. That said the adoption of 12er Shiaism was very recent by the nomadic tribes who fulled it up during the 15th century. Although Iraq was always the center of Hanafi Sunnism, for a long time, and before transitioning to Shiaism in the 19th century. The Safavids failed in their attempt, but the Lebaneso-Persian clergy is the on that conducted missions, which saw large conversions of these people, those who decided to isolate themselves are Malaki to this day. They tried to do missions in Western Iraq but it failed quite miserably. Though even Iran could not have been transitioned to Shiaism without the Arab clergy from the Shia centers of Southern Lebanon and Eastern Arabia. A lot of Iranian clergy trace their origins to these Lebanese btw.

[Gryphon]

Assyrians should hate the Kurds, after all, it was the Medes who wiped them out from history. Kurds should hold no animosity against Modern Assyrians though, to be honest, from my experience I have never met an Assyrian that wasent gentle or kind, probably the most honest of all semites, along with the Ashkenazi. The real enemy of the Kurds will always be the barbarian tork.

[Longbowman]

Q's rare but present

Come on, a single example?

[Instinct]

http://i58.tinypic.com/v76rz8.jpg

[Anglojew]

Come on, a single example?

Yes, rare but present.


1x Q (Iraqi Kurds in Stenersen et al., 2004; based on Athey's Haplogroup predictor)

[Longbowman]

Yes, rare but present.

No, exactly, a single example.

[Anglojew]

No, exactly, a single example.

Rare, but present.

[EyeOfTheTiger]

R2 is common among Kurds