Are Jews Eastern European Genetically?

[JQP4545]

Are Jews from Eastern Europe genetically Eastern European?

[GrebluBro]

may be 1/3rd

[RussiaPrussia]

their culture in israel is very similar to countries like bulgaria or greece

[Acquisitor]

their culture in israel is very similar to countries like bulgaria or greece

not really, its much more productive.

[Sikeliot]

No. They are genetically similar to Sicilians and have very limited admixture from the north.

[YeshAtid]

No. They are genetically similar to Sicilians and have very limited admixture from the north.

I'm drawn to the conclusion that a lot of European Jewry are descended from Eastern Euro converts, however real Askhenazis are indeed similar to Sicilians.
Peggy Lipton, for example, could never pass in Sicily.

[Sikeliot]

Some photos she can:

http://www.meaus.com/96-peggy-lipton-book.JPEG

[Artek]

Some descend from converts, therefore few percent of lineages look totally European. However, their autosomal dna puts them around Sicily and other mediterranean regions, as Sikeliot says.

By the way, I think that Gypsies have bigger percentages of European lineages than Jews.

[YeshAtid]

Some photos she can:

http://www.meaus.com/96-peggy-lipton-book.JPEG

No she couldn't. She's east baltid.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3mbk2Rypk1roxioso1_500.jpg

[Prince Carlo]

Peggy Lipton is probably an adopted child or has recent admixture. The same for Bar Rafaeli.

[Cristiano viejo]

not really, its much more productive.

In what sense, killing Palestinians perhaps?
Israel is a fuckin desert, and always it will be.

[YeshAtid]

Peggy Lipton is probably an adopted child or has recent admixture. The same for Bar Rafaeli.

She doesn't look Jewish at all

[Prince Carlo]

Then what about the sicilian Sarah Calagero?

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.fashionmodeldirectory.com/images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/model/x000000065719-Sara_Calogero-modelprofileMainPicCropped.jpg.pagespeed.ic.J2SpcC unX7.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/Dampyr82/Girls/sarah%20calogero/sarah1.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S3wjRnPhJ98/UY4UmvnzdyI/AAAAAAAADMs/8IS3JNMfG1g/s1600/1847c096.jpg

[YeshAtid]

She couldn't pass as Jewish

[Acquisitor]

In what sense, killing Palestinians perhaps?
Israel is a fuckin desert, and always it will be.

Israel is one of the world's technological leaders amigo ;) and has a higher gdp per capita than "civilized" Spain

[Sikeliot]

Then what about the sicilian Sarah Calagero?

Atypical, since she not only is blue eyed and blonde but has Northern European features.
Where is she from specifically?

[Prince Carlo]

Atypical, since she not only is blue eyed and blonde but has Northern European features.
Where is she from specifically?

She is half german. I've posted her to tease barberis. xD

[Peikko]

What about Ruben Stiller, can he pass as Jewish?
http://static.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/stiller_etu270912STL_503_uu.jpg

[YeshAtid]

She is half german. I've posted her to tease barberis. xD

It said on wikipedia

[Sikeliot]

She is half german. I've posted her to tease barberis. xD

Oh ok, that would explain it. I've seen a fair number of blonde, blue eyed Sicilians but they, nine times out of ten, do not look authentically northern.

[YeshAtid]

Eastern European Jews have some Khazar influence as well

[Longbowman]

R1a is about 12% in Ashkenazis and most of my 23andme AJ contact have some Eastern European blood. Even the ones who are 95%+ AJ are always at least 0.1% Eastern European, presumably meaning East/West Slav or Baltic. Looking at an AJ friend's (4 grandparents, 90%+ AJ on 23andme with only 0.1% non-AJ (and that being Eastern European)) GEDmatch results, I would suggest 8-13% is probably accurate for those AJs that actually come from Eastern backgrounds - remember a lot come from Germany and France and the low countries, though this guy's family was from Lithuania.

Their culture, though, is incredibly Slavic and Eastern European. Yiddish was also heavily influenced by Slavic tongues.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Ashkenazi according to some calc./companies will be bracketed off as a unique population with its own specific genetic signature in order to detect Ashkenazi admixture. Ergo, someone with overly Eastern European and some Ashkenazi ancestry will have their Ashkenazi separated from their Eastern European.

That being said, some Ashkenazi will cluster with Slavs. Some. But average genotype of an Ashkenazi is indeed closest to southern Italians, Greeks and of course Sephardic Jews.

[Maleficent]

Are Jews from Eastern Europe genetically Eastern European?

No. Usually about 5 to 12 percent Eastern European component on DNA tests at most.

[Longbowman]

Ashkenazi according to some calc./companies will be bracketed off as a unique population with its own specific genetic signature in order to detect Ashkenazi admixture. Ergo, someone with overly Eastern European and some Ashkenazi ancestry will have their Ashkenazi separated from their Eastern European.

That being said, some Ashkenazi will cluster with Slavs. Some. But average genotype of an Ashkenazi is indeed closest to southern Italians, Greeks and of course Sephardic Jews.

Looking at the 23andme global similarity map it seems to be one or two plot in Northern Europe, and most plot in Eastern and Southern Europe plus the Middle East. What the Similarity Map means exactly I do not know.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Looking at the 23andme global similarity map it seems to be one or two plot in Northern Europe, and most plot in Eastern and Southern Europe plus the Middle East. What the Similarity Map means exactly I do not know.

That would seem about right. Ashkenazi actually could be thought of as a relatively endogamous group with some admixture here and there. Hence the slight differences between the Sephardic and Ashkenazi on the spreadsheets particularly concerning the differences between northern and southern Euro admixture.

[Longbowman]

That would seem about right. Ashkenazi actually could be thought of as a relatively endogamous group with some admixture here and there. Hence the slight differences between the Sephardic and Ashkenazi on the spreadsheets particularly concerning the differences between northern and southern Euro admixture.

Quite. Very few seem to actually plot in the countryboxes, normally they plot just outside, as if they're genetically similar to but not perfectly like the denizens of the locale in question.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/near-eastern-origin-of-r1a-in-ashkenazi.html

apparently not as much as you'd think.

[Mortimer]

Some descend from converts, therefore few percent of lineages look totally European. However, their autosomal dna puts them around Sicily and other mediterranean regions, as Sikeliot says.

By the way, I think that Gypsies have bigger percentages of European lineages than Jews.

i sincerly doubt that jews are double the time or three times the time span of gypsies in europe, also before in mideast they had contact to romans, greeks etc. also gypsies look very much indian i will never believe the studies who claim gypsies to be more then half european

[Mark]

R1a is about 12% in Ashkenazis and most of my 23andme AJ contact have some Eastern European blood.
Ironically, my R1a subclade (M458 L1029) is Slavic not the Levite R1a variant.
The founding populations were either Polabian Slavs or Sorbs.

[Longbowman]

Ironically, my R1a subclade (M458 L1029) is Slavic not the Levite R1a variant.

You are a hero and you are proving my point. +1 and my hat off to you you Slavic-British-Jewish Atlantid.

[Mark]

You are a hero and you are proving my point. +1 and my hat off to you you Slavic-British-Jewish Atlantid.

Although, according to Artek and the FTDNA databse, I am most probably an outlier because most Ashkenazi Jews that have R1a1a get it from a Leventine subclad.

[Myth]

I don't cluster with East Europeans, I mainly cluster with Southern Europe (Italy, Greece, etc.), my haplogroup also isn't European nor is my last name and our family was from Romania.

[Longbowman]

Although, according to Artek and the FTDNA databse, I am most probably an outlier because most Ashkenazi Jews that have R1a1a get it from a Leventine subclad.

Eh, even if R1a were somehow Middle Eastern it's still ~10% in AJs. R1B is pretty popular to, E1b1b as well, and G and J1 and J2 none of which are necessarily Levantine. Going by mtDNA a very European picture is painted.

[armenianbodyhair]

Probably at least somewhat.