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Rochefaton
01-04-2014, 12:53 AM
The paper can be found here (http://ac.els-cdn.com/S0305440313003324/1-s2.0-S0305440313003324-main.pdf?_tid=4f845974-74e1-11e3-99a6-00000aab0f01&acdnat=1388799860_d7cdd005b1100e5a933f5b9d3d47bc7a ).


The people of the Glauberg belong to typical modern-day
central European haplogroups (H, HV, I, K, U5) with H and K
constituting the largest proportion, while all others occurred only
once.

Not too surprising, I guess.


Although the multiplex approach targeting Y-chromosomal SNPs
was especially designed to match the requirements of degraded
ancient DNA (Haak et al., 2010), no sufficient Y-chromosomal
profiles could be reconstructed for any of the analysed individuals.
Therefore, conclusions about possible paternal relationships
among the individuals are impossible.

:(

Artek
01-05-2014, 01:27 PM
I can't see any mtDNA listed, those bastards protect everything. So how do you know that?

Graham
01-05-2014, 01:53 PM
Would be interesting to know what K subclade. Good chance it's in K1. Found more commonly in NW Europe & in Otzi. Good to see practicing Celts being tested anyway.

Graham
01-05-2014, 02:00 PM
http://files.myopera.com/Yulaan/albums/8902/Statue%20de%20Glauberg%20-%20clich%C3%A9%20pr%C3%A9sent%C3%A9%20en%20fevrier .jpghttp://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/a7e/743/a7e74361-2b59-4701-9927-36a3f2a70c06

Rochefaton
01-05-2014, 04:07 PM
I can't see any mtDNA listed, those bastards protect everything. So how do you know that?

I had access to the paper for a limited time. ;)

Harkonnen
01-05-2014, 04:14 PM
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/a7e/743/a7e74361-2b59-4701-9927-36a3f2a70c06

http://preston.lib.mn.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/GingerbreadMan.jpg

Rochefaton
01-05-2014, 04:15 PM
I can't see any mtDNA listed, those bastards protect everything. So how do you know that?

Now you have access too, my Y-DNA R brother!

http://speedy.sh/XAnVT/latene4.pdf

Artek
01-05-2014, 04:20 PM
Now you have access too, my Y-DNA R brother!

http://speedy.sh/XAnVT/latene4.pdf

Thanks a lot, my distant cousin !. That's so bad they haven't succeeded in extracting Y-DNA :(. I will study it later today.

Rochefaton
01-05-2014, 04:21 PM
Would be interesting to know what K subclade. Good chance it's in K1. Found more commonly in NW Europe & in Otzi. Good to see practicing Celts being tested anyway.

There was one K listed and one K1a.

Fire Haired
01-05-2014, 04:44 PM
Just go to Ancestral Joruneys (http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/) Jean Manco puts together tons of ancient DNA, she updated this stuff from La Tene culture almost a month ago.

Fire Haired
01-05-2014, 05:07 PM
The Celts were one of the most spread out mega ethnic groups in Europe's history and pre history(we don't know that much about pre history). There are people with many different views of what they were like based on their own biased opinions or based on what is known about them through archeology, ancient writings, modern DNA studies, etc. The whole feminim and neo-pagan thing honestly is retarded and probably the farthest off of what ancient Celts(there were many many different types) were like. I am pretty sure all that is known about Celtic religion is based on what Irish monks wrote around 1,000 years ago and Roman Gaul. So I guess experts have an idea of what many Celts religion was like but not very well.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=42918&d=1388944584
Painters reconstruction of an Iron age Briton Chief and his wife.

I think the most believed hypothesis is that proto Italo-Celtic and the ancestral languages to Germanic arrived from eastern(probably Balkans) Europe with y DNA R1b L11 ~5,000ybp in central Europe, Germans went north with subclade R1b S21 with some P312 and Nordic bronze age culture. Italo Celts went west with Unetice-Urnfield culture and subclade R1b P312. There were massive expansions of Celts in western Europe from 2,000-1,000BC and Italics went down into Italy around 1,000BC. The Celtic world during Hallstat and La Tene culture were documented by Roman(Italic), Greek, and I guess other ancient writers. A lot of what people think they know about the ancient Celts is based on what Romans and Greeks wrote about them. I think a lot of what they said was accurate since from what I have seen it is constant with what is found in Celts remains, but some could have been inaccurate because they didn't understand the culture of Celts or were hateful and prejudice towards them.

I think the spread of Germanic Italo Celts in west Europe totally changed the genetic makeup of many west Europeans. A big part I think is it raised European hunter gatherer ancestry. Farmers like the LBK girl studied in Laz 2013, Otzi, and Gok4 dominated modern day Germanic Italo Celtic areas in the Neolithic. Most of the Germanic Italo Celts ancestry I think came from far eastern Europe and there is some evidence in mtDNA from bell Beaker and Corded ware of that(click here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?106725-Evidence-in-Ancient-central-European-DNA-of-major-Genetic-changes-in-Europe-during-the-metal-ages)). Indo Europeans made similar effects in other parts of Europe and extra near eastern ancestry was brought to The Balkans(especially Greece) and Italy(especially southern) during the metal ages, and Scandinavia was almost completely resettled. So overall I think a lot changed in Europe during the metal ages.

Hevo
01-05-2014, 05:24 PM
There was one K listed and one K1a.


Were there any subclades of HV?

Graham
01-05-2014, 05:31 PM
There was one K listed and one K1a.

Found in many Jewish people also. There are 4 subclades from K1 -- K1a, K1b, K1c and K1ö.

Ok. So from what I've found from Eupedia sources and the Otzi site. K1, K1ö and K1a has been listed in these places. For personal reasons take an interest in it. :)

http://imageshack.us/a/img541/6408/ub8r.jpg

Rochefaton
01-05-2014, 05:36 PM
Were there any subclades of HV?

HV+
T16311C! Was the only subclade.

Also:

H*

H

V

H14a

H11a2+
T16092C

Fire Haired
01-05-2014, 05:40 PM
Found in many Jewish people also. There are 4 subclades from K1 -- K1a, K1b, K1c and K1ö.

Ok. So from what I've found from Eupedia sources and the Otzi site. K1, K1ö and K1a has been listed in these places. For personal reasons take an interest in it. :)

http://imageshack.us/a/img541/6408/ub8r.jpg

K1 without almost any doubt originated in the near east came to Europe with farming, there is a lot more K1a from ancient mtDNA than that map shows. Ancient Eurasian DNA organized 2 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theapricity.com%2Fforum%2Fsho wthread.php%3F106283-Ancient-Eurasian-DNA-Organized-2&ei=kKbJUpjkB4z8yAH9toGADA&usg=AFQjCNGa68d7wLwNwroClVfWb2NFyTVyUg&sig2=gcio_NytsktqT6TI2jnFnA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.aWc) I haven't been able to update in about the last month from Ancestral Journey's. (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ancestraljourneys.org%2F&ei=3abJUvHoFoWIyAG_moCoAg&usg=AFQjCNGxFkyfmYfchqwhHCwxYf593URSWg&sig2=dMqJ2wlnZJSPa5Cw144e1Q&bvm=bv.58187178,d.aWc)It is pretty amazing what has been learned about the spread of farming in Europe through ancient DNA(click here (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1312.6639&ei=WqfJUvqQPMrCyQGI0oCQDQ&usg=AFQjCNFbSjXIYQjmvBql7U17H7B6Fzt_sw&sig2=NDp7GC_-sRmOsG5Q-HU-zA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.aWc)).

Graham
01-05-2014, 05:44 PM
K1 without almost any doubt originated in the near east came to Europe with farming, there is a lot more K1a from ancient mtDNA than that map shows. Ancient Eurasian DNA organized 2 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theapricity.com%2Fforum%2Fsho wthread.php%3F106283-Ancient-Eurasian-DNA-Organized-2&ei=kKbJUpjkB4z8yAH9toGADA&usg=AFQjCNGa68d7wLwNwroClVfWb2NFyTVyUg&sig2=gcio_NytsktqT6TI2jnFnA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.aWc) I haven't been able to update in about the last month from Ancestral Journey's. (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ancestraljourneys.org%2F&ei=3abJUvHoFoWIyAG_moCoAg&usg=AFQjCNGxFkyfmYfchqwhHCwxYf593URSWg&sig2=dMqJ2wlnZJSPa5Cw144e1Q&bvm=bv.58187178,d.aWc)It is pretty amazing what has been learned about the spread of farming in Europe through ancient DNA(click here (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1312.6639&ei=WqfJUvqQPMrCyQGI0oCQDQ&usg=AFQjCNFbSjXIYQjmvBql7U17H7B6Fzt_sw&sig2=NDp7GC_-sRmOsG5Q-HU-zA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.aWc)).

ok thanks for the link, I see loads more. I'll make a new map of K1. Cheers. :) If I have time. Might do some others.

Graham
01-05-2014, 07:13 PM
This is the La Tene found in Germany

K
I1a
H
V
K1a
H14a
H11a2+
HV +
U5a1

Fire Haired
01-05-2014, 08:43 PM
ok thanks for the link, I see loads more. I'll make a new map of K1. Cheers. :) If I have time. Might do some others.

I like those maps how do you make them?

Artek
01-05-2014, 08:56 PM
I like those maps how do you make them?
I want a template too!

Graham
01-05-2014, 11:05 PM
Made it off a Europe Template and took down the results.

Was giving my self a crash course on K mtdna movement & Neolithic. I got stumped at France, Catalonia & Basque part. lol ;) If the 2725BC came from the South or from Germany.

http://imageshack.us/a/img40/4055/6z6r.gif

Vesuvian Sky
01-05-2014, 11:07 PM
arrrgghhh!!!

I so wanted Halstatt Y-DNA!:(:mad::shakefist