Turks = 55% Greek

[ButlerKing]

http://racialcompositionineurope.illyria.net/

Turkey=

35% Dinaricized Mediterraneans ( Greek colonists)

20% Mediterraneans ( Aegean coast, greek colonists)

25% Irano-Afghans ( eastern Turkey, Kurds )

20% Turanids ( original semi-oriental Turkics, inhabits continental parts of central Anatolia one of them being region around Konya )

20% East Mediterranean or Pontid subrace (Black Sea coast of Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria; Aegean coasts of Greece and Turkey)


Only 20% of Turkish are closer to Turanid ( or diluted Turanid from Central Asia) while 55% are related with Greek colonist. 55% are closer to Greeks, 25% closer to Kurds, 20% closer to slavic/east European


Let us hope that the Byzantine and Anatolia unite

http://crusadinghistory.wikispaces.com/file/view/Byzantine_Empire_1000-1100.jpg/166501839/Byzantine_Empire_1000-1100.jpg

[portusaus]

No thanks, let's keep Turks well away from Balkanites and everyone else.

[Mehmet]

Moron,

Prove that even there are properly dolychocephal/mesocephals in Turkey.
In Turkey Meds are more scarce than in Northern Balkans.

All Byzantine/Arab chronicles from the 11th century refer to a 'mass immigration' from Central Asia to Anatolia.
Natives have been taken over 8 to 1 or so.

You are how Greeks/Armenians were some 5-10 years ago on the internet.
When they spotted a blonde Bosnian from Turkey, they were shouting "he's Greek/Armenian" :)

Beside, Dinarics in Turkey are mostly Albanians.
And that's minority as well, tiny minority.


The Greek (Med) and Armenian (Armenoid) elements have been driven out from Turkey, some 100 years.

When total population was around 12 million:

1915: 1,5 million Armenians have been resettled to Syria/Lebanon.
1926: 2,2 million Anatolian natives (having Greek identity/religion) have been exchanged with Turks (and other Muslims such as Albanians or Slavs) from Greece.

That's how the native element disappeared.
Kurds are also immigrants from North-West Iran.

[ButlerKing]

Moron,

Prove that even there are properly dolychocephal/mesocephals in Turkey.
In Turkey Meds are more scarce than in Northern Balkans.

All Byzantine/Arab chronicles from the 11th century refer to a 'mass immigration' from Central Asia to Anatolia.
Natives have been taken over 8 to 1 or so.

You are how Greeks/Armenians were some 5-10 years ago on the internet.
When they spotted a blonde Bosnian from Turkey, they were shouting "he's Greek/Armenian" :)

Beside, Dinarics in Turkey are mostly Albanians.
And that's minority as well, tiny minority.

That's very strange considering that if you combine all of central Asian Turks population they won't even make up 1/2 of modern Turkish population and you're telling me they were outnumbered 10 to 1 :picard2:

Natives were Turkified in Turkey just like in Central Asia before. If they were outnumbered it simply was because almost all of them were Turkified anatolian people which explains the Arab sources. DNA shows Turkish are only 9-30% related with Central Asians.

[albosomething]

Beside, Dinarics in Turkey are mostly Albanians.
And that's minority as well, tiny minority.

.

are you sure they are tiny minority? or 4-5 millions who don't like to admit their ancestry?

[Rattata]

are you sure they are tiny minority? or 4-5 millions who don't like to admit their ancestry?

Stop pulling statistic out of your ass, ************.

[ButlerKing]

That's how the native element disappeared.





Turkmen ancestry

20% Aralid/Turanid ( closer to Mongoloid )

80% Pamirid/Turanid ( closer to Caucasoid )


Would you rather embrace your fake origin?

http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/turktezel/382107_263683967091725_1456831070_n.jpg





There is NO MONGOLIAN DNA in Turkmen.


There is only Siberian Mongoloid type DNA in Turkmen that is also found in many modern Mongoloid Siberian Turks such as haplogroup N and Q

[orangepulp]

Moron,

Prove that even there are properly dolychocephal/mesocephals in Turkey.
In Turkey Meds are more scarce than in Northern Balkans.

All Byzantine/Arab chronicles from the 11th century refer to a 'mass immigration' from Central Asia to Anatolia.
Natives have been taken over 8 to 1 or so.

You are how Greeks/Armenians were some 5-10 years ago on the internet.
When they spotted a blonde Bosnian from Turkey, they were shouting "he's Greek/Armenian" :)

Beside, Dinarics in Turkey are mostly Albanians.
And that's minority as well, tiny minority.


The Greek (Med) and Armenian (Armenoid) elements have been driven out from Turkey, some 100 years.

When total population was around 12 million:

1915: 1,5 million Armenians have been resettled to Syria/Lebanon.
1926: 2,2 million Anatolian natives (having Greek identity/religion) have been exchanged with Turks (and other Muslims such as Albanians or Slavs) from Greece.

That's how the native element disappeared.
Kurds are also immigrants from North-West Iran.
You are exaggerating too.

I do accept that many of the locals Turkified due to acceptance of Islam. My maternal side seems to be one of them. North East of Turkey seems to be Turkified locals.
In some of the areas Turks mixed with locals, thats why some Turks are mixed.

[Mehmet]

Turkmen ancestry

20% Aralid/Turanid ( closer to Mongoloid )

80% Pamirid/Turanid ( closer to Caucasoid )


What you rather embrace your fake origin?

http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/turktezel/382107_263683967091725_1456831070_n.jpg

These kids are Mongoloid.
From 13th century Genghis Khan invasion.

2500 years ago, when Turks were in Mongolia/Siberia, didn't look that way either.

What you do is pretty much like showing Peruvians and telling they are Spaniards; speaking Spanish and being Catholic.

The Mongols turned Muslim and started to speak Turk.

[ButlerKing]

These kids are Mongoloid.
From 13th century Genghis Khan invasion.

2500 years ago, when Turks were in Mongolia/Siberia, didn't look that way either.

What you do is pretty much like showing Peruvians and telling they are Spaniards; speaking Spanish and being Catholic.

The Mongols turned Muslim and started to speak Turk.


If they were descendants of Genghis Khan invasion than they should have haplogroup C3 but Turkmen have 0% C3.

Iranian Turkmen have 42% Q and Afghan Turkmen 54% Q

http://i42.tinypic.com/984ms7.jpg

[Mehmet]

Haplogroups don't mean that much.
Greeks and Albanians should be looking Ethiopians (Eb1) but don't.

Focuse on bone structure / colors.
That's the material reality.

[ButlerKing]

Haplogroups don't mean that much.
Greeks and Albanians should be looking Ethiopians (Eb1) but don't.

Eb1 in Greeks and Albanians aren't related with East Africans. Ethiopians themselves have 70% Caucasoid Y-DNA and 50% Caucasoid maternal DNA they aren't pure blacks. In same The Kyrgyz have 35 - 67% Caucasoid Y-DNA and 27 - 42% Caucasoid maternal DNA but they aren't related to the original appearance of R1a

700,000 Turkmen were massacred. Even if you want to claim Mongol rape or mixed they would have disappeared so any Mongoloid Turkmen is clearly not from Mongol invasion.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

are you sure they are tiny minority? or 4-5 millions who don't like to admit their ancestry?

6.5 mil actually according to Hurriyet, unfortunately Turkey doesn't take census on ethnic or religious basis so its hard to know the real numbers for each ethnicity there.

[Rojava]

Kurds are also immigrants from North-West Iran.

Your mum is :)

[ButlerKing]

These kids are Mongoloid.
From 13th century Genghis Khan invasion.

2500 years ago, when Turks were in Mongolia/Siberia, didn't look that way either.

What you do is pretty much like showing Peruvians and telling they are Spaniards; speaking Spanish and being Catholic.

The Mongols turned Muslim and started to speak Turk.


Are you seriously claiming Siberian Turks who look like this is due to Mongol invasion?

Chelkans in SIBERIA are turkic ethnic group and they have 60% of haplogroup Q

http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/p13940.jpg

Tubalar in Siberia are turkic ethnic group in Northern altay they have 37% of haplogroup Q
http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/p16024.jpg


And Tuvans another Siberian Turkic group with 38% haplogroup Q

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tUrHLwNRX48/0.jpg

[Rojava]

The Mehmet guy is hilarious. He is basically ignoring all the facts that we show him and he replies with some Turanid bullshit. :lol:

[Mehmet]

The Mehmet guy is hilarious. He is basically ignoring all the facts that we show him and he replies with some Turanid bullshit. :lol:

Have a trip to North India, along with your Persian cousing Butlerking, then you will notice that both you won't look that tourist :)

Your ancestors come from the caves located at Zagros mountains, North-Western Iran.

Turks are rightful, by swords.
Kurds are trying to be rightful, through the wombs of their women.

That won't work. You will end up like Armenians or Greeks.
Driven out.

Kurds should settle America's.

You'd be "whites" there :) how about Brazil or Mexico?

[Mehmet]

Are you seriously claiming Siberian Turks who look like this is due to Mongol invasion?

Chelkans in SIBERIA are turkic ethnic group and they have 60% of haplogroup Q


Tubalar in Siberia are turkic ethnic group in Northern altay they have 37% of haplogroup Q


And Tuvans another Siberian Turkic group with 38% haplogroup Q


These people are almost Mongoloids (Tuvans, Altaians, Yakuts).

Rus archeologs keep digging Orkhon valley, capital city of Göktürks, and what they find is Turanid:
Caucasoid + Mongoloid.

Not only Mongoloids.

[Rattata]

BUTLERKING STOP MAKING THESE THREADS IF YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING;

TURKS WERE NEVER MONGLOID.

[Rojava]

Have a trip to North India, along with your Persian cousing Butlerking, then you will notice that both you won't look that tourist :)

Your ancestors come from the caves located at Zagros mountains, North-Western Iran.

Turks are rightful, by swords.
Kurds are trying to be rightful, through the wombs of their women.

That won't work. You will end up like Armenians or Greeks.
Driven out.

Kurds should settle America's.

You'd be "whites" there :) how about Brazil or Mexico?

lmao :picard1: defeat the PKK first, and then come talking like this :lol:. It's probably why Sultan Erdogan is crawling to us begging for peace.

[ButlerKing]

These people are almost Mongoloids (Tuvans, Altaians, Yakuts).

Rus archeologs keep digging Orkhon valley, capital city of Göktürks, and what they find is Turanid:
Caucasoid + Mongoloid.

Not only Mongoloids.

Show me your evidence.

These are the only Gokturk pictures by Russian anthropologist we have seen


http://i48.tinypic.com/2cz4nwz.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/kbpuf5.jpg

These two are from Mongolia

http://s018.radikal.ru/i507/1207/6a/7aff2dd0817b.jpg
http://s11.radikal.ru/i183/1207/1b/c13fc0deb0fb.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

These people are almost Mongoloids (Tuvans, Altaians, Yakuts).

Rus archeologs keep digging Orkhon valley, capital city of Göktürks, and what they find is Turanid:
Caucasoid + Mongoloid.

Not only Mongoloids.
Here is a good example of ancient eastern Türks, the Göktürks:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=42849&d=1388851352
This man is obviously composed of ~50% Caucasoid and ~50% Mongoloid genes.

Ancient western Türks, sharing the haplogroups R and Q, were mainly of Caucasoid Turanid type, which in turn is of course of Türkic origin, too (see: Sredny Stog culture, Yamna & Andronovo culture etc.).

[Mehmet]

Show me your evidence.

These are the only Gokturk pictures by Russian anthropologist we have seen



Google on Kypchaks (ancient people, speaking Turk, and living in the Kazhak-Siberian-West Mongol steppes) you will find out.
Have a check at the physical description of some of them; there were even light ones such as Rukneddin Baybars who became Sultan of Egypt, after being sold to Arabs by Mongols as slave.

Ancient Turks had both (Caucasoid and mongoloid).
Turks from Turkey still have both (10-15% Mongoloid autosomal DNA in Turkey).

[Proto-Shaman]

lmao :picard1: defeat the PKK first, and then come talking like this :lol:. It's probably why Sultan Erdogan is crawling to us begging for peace.
First of all my Kurdish friend, the PKK was defeated by Osman Pamukoglu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osman_Pamuko%C4%9Flu), two decades ago ;) Then Erdodog came and collaborated with the PKK.

[orangepulp]

Google on Kypchaks (ancient people, speaking Turk, and living in the Kazhak-Siberian-West Mongol steppes) you will find out.
Have a check at the physical description of some of them; there were even light ones such as Rukneddin Baybars who became Sultan of Egypt, after being sold to Arabs by Mongols as slave.

Ancient Turks had both (Caucasoid and mongoloid).
Turks from Turkey still have both (10-15% Mongoloid autosomal DNA in Turkey).
10-15% is the most. The average is 5% and it is even less for Turks in the East of Turkey.

Phenotype is unimportant, take a look at DNA studies, maps, admixture breakdowns and then decide upon ancestry.

[ButlerKing]

Here is a good example of ancient eastern Türks, the Göktürks:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=42849&d=1388851352
This man is obviously composed of ~50% Caucasoid and ~50% Mongoloid genes.

Ancient western Türks, sharing the haplogroups R and Q, were mainly of Caucasoid Turanid type, which in turn is of course of Türkic origin, too (see: Sredny Stog culture, Yamna & Andronovo culture etc.).

When was this statue made? he looks slightly more Mongoloid than a Caucasoid and could even be a Mongoloid at least in comparison to many Eurasians I've seen.

Statues are not always reliable sources sometimes

Here is a statue of Kul tegin the Gokturk general he looks 100% Mongoloid

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Kul_Tigin.jpg

[ButlerKing]

10-15% is the most. The average is 5% and it is even less for Turks in the East of Turkey.

Phenotype is unimportant, take a look at DNA studies, maps, admixture breakdowns and then decide upon ancestry.

There are a minority with 15 - 18.5% and a few with 20-22%.

[Mehmet]

10-15% is the most. The average is 5% and it is even less for Turks in the East of Turkey.

Phenotype is unimportant, take a look at DNA studies, maps, admixture breakdowns and then decide upon ancestry.

If phenotype (bone structure, colors, etc..) aren't important, then why DNA test results are being tried to be commented according to the classical "Mongoloid-Caucasoid-Negroid" triumvirat?

The bone structure is what matter most. Genetic studies (not haplogroups, but maybe autosomal searches) can give a rough idea.

Beside Turkey isn't 100% Turk.
50 million out of the 76 million citizens are Turks (13 million Kurds and 13 million others).

[orangepulp]

There are a minority with 15 - 18.5% and a few with 20-22%.

As you said it is minority. I have not yet seen a Turk scoring more than 15%.
It ranges from 0-15% Some Turks have not been influenced by the Turkic migration.

[ButlerKing]

Here is the Mongoloid DNA samples from Turkish regions. I believe the Turkish Turks that are considered Turanids must be in the 12 - 18% Mongoloid area

[Proto-Shaman]

When was this statue made? he looks slightly more Mongoloid than a Caucasoid and could even be a Mongoloid at least in comparison to many Eurasians I've seen.

Statues are not always reliable sources sometimes

Here is a statue of Kul tegin the Gokturk general he looks 100% Mongoloid

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Kul_Tigin.jpg

Here is a depiction of Göktürks, they don't look Mongoloid at all:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Tyurki.jpg

[ButlerKing]

As you said it is minority. I have not yet seen a Turk scoring more than 15%.
It ranges from 0-15% Some Turks have not been influenced by the Turkic migration.

Turkish Aydin

1 Sample 18.5% Mongoloid admixture
2 Sample 18% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 17% Mongoloid admixture
3 Sample 15% Mongoloid admixture


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1 Sample 13.7% Mongoloid admixture
2 Sample 13.5% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 12.5% Mongoloid admixture


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1 Sample 8% Mongoloid admixture
2 Sample 3.5% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 2.5% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 2% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 0% Mongoloid admixture


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rcdkNaYFICM/Tz1p4IcLlZI/AAAAAAAAEhs/En5H2fWIh68/s1600/ADMIXTURE+Turkish_Aydin_Ho_3.png





Turkish Instanbul



2 Samples have 15% Mongoloid admixture
1 Samples have 13% Mongoloid admixture
2 Samples have 12.5% Mongoloid admixture


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1 Sample 8% Mongoloid admixture
2 Samples 6.8% Mongoloid admixture
9 Samples 4.5 - 6% Mongoloid admixture


----------------------


1 sample 0.5%

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j0NtK9KR6EM/Tz1ptIUKZqI/AAAAAAAAEhc/_yfGoWABFhs/s1600/ADMIXTURE+Turkish_Istanbul_Ho_3.png

Turkish Kayseri



3 Samples 12 - 13%
5 Samples 6-7% Mongoloid
10 Samples 4-5% Mongoloid
5 Samples 3.5% Mongoloid

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QmgogpYSdKQ/Tz1pyfiiWAI/AAAAAAAAEhk/4EN13tRjIAw/s1600/ADMIXTURE+Turkish_Kayseri_Ho_3.png

[orangepulp]

If phenotype (bone structure, colors, etc..) aren't important, then why DNA test results are being tried to be commented according to the classical "Mongoloid-Caucasoid-Negroid" triumvirat?

The bone structure is what matter most. Genetic studies (not haplogroups, but maybe autosomal searches) can give a rough idea.

Those terms are not used due to phenotype. Those are the three main races.

The amount of Asian admixture in Turks is not that great to give a significant Asian appearance for most cases.

Anatolian Turks are genetically more West Asian than Central Asian.

[ButlerKing]

Here is a depiction of Göktürks, they don't look Mongoloid at all:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Tyurki.jpg

Actually they look Mongoloid if they were something like this. I'm not saying Gokturk were pure Mongoloid


http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/065/f/4/takeshi_kaneshiro_by_kot1ka-d3az1nw.png

[orangepulp]

Turkish Aydin

1 Sample 18.5% Mongoloid admixture
2 Sample 18% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 17% Mongoloid admixture
3 Sample 15% Mongoloid admixture


------------------------


1 Sample 13.7% Mongoloid admixture
2 Sample 13.5% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 12.5% Mongoloid admixture


-----------------------


1 Sample 8% Mongoloid admixture
2 Sample 3.5% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 2.5% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 2% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 0% Mongoloid admixture


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rcdkNaYFICM/Tz1p4IcLlZI/AAAAAAAAEhs/En5H2fWIh68/s1600/ADMIXTURE+Turkish_Aydin_Ho_3.png





Turkish Instanbul



2 Samples have 15% Mongoloid admixture
1 Samples have 13% Mongoloid admixture
2 Samples have 12.5% Mongoloid admixture


-----------------


1 Sample 8% Mongoloid admixture
2 Samples 6.8% Mongoloid admixture
9 Samples 4.5 - 6% Mongoloid admixture


----------------------


1 sample 0.5%

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j0NtK9KR6EM/Tz1ptIUKZqI/AAAAAAAAEhc/_yfGoWABFhs/s1600/ADMIXTURE+Turkish_Istanbul_Ho_3.png

Turkish Kayseri



3 Samples 12 - 13%
5 Samples 6-7% Mongoloid
10 Samples 4-5% Mongoloid
5 Samples 3.5% Mongoloid

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QmgogpYSdKQ/Tz1pyfiiWAI/AAAAAAAAEhk/4EN13tRjIAw/s1600/ADMIXTURE+Turkish_Kayseri_Ho_3.png

These are samples of Western and Central Turkey the most Turkic influenced areas.

[Proto-Shaman]

10-15% is the most. The average is 5% and it is even less for Turks in the East of Turkey.

Phenotype is unimportant, take a look at DNA studies, maps, admixture breakdowns and then decide upon ancestry.

Here is the Mongoloid DNA samples from Turkish regions. I believe the Turkish Turks that are considered Turanids must be in the 12 - 18% Mongoloid area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Turkish_people
"The contribution of Central Asian genes to the current Anatolian gene pool was quantified using three different methods, considering for comparison populations of Mediterranean Europe, and Turkic-speaking populations of Central Asia. The most reliable estimates suggest roughly 30% Central Asian admixture for both mitochondrial and Y-chromosome loci. That (admittedly approximate) figure is compatible both with a substantial immigration accompanying the arrival of the Turkmen armies (which is not historically documented), and with continuous gene flow from Asia into Anatolia, at a rate of 1% for 40 generations."

Source: Di Benedetto G et al. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11385601)

[Rojava]

First of all my Kurdish friend, the PKK was defeated by Osman Pamukoglu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osman_Pamuko%C4%9Flu), two decades ago ;) Then Erdodog came and collaborated with the PKK.

That's like saying Murat Karayılan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Karay%C4%B1lan]), raped the Turkish military.

[Mehmet]

Those terms are not used due to phenotype. Those are the three main races.

The amount of Asian admixture in Turks is not that great to give a significant Asian appearance for most cases.

Anatolian Turks are genetically more West Asian than Central Asian.

Compared to modern Central Asia.
Not compared to the Central Asia of 1000 years ago, when Turks left it behind.
Massively immigrating to Anatolia and taking over the natives by far.

The biggest proof that Turks haven't substantially mixed is the fact that ethnic Turks from Turkey are isolated.
See East Asian admixture map:

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

[ButlerKing]

Compared to modern Central Asia.
Not compared to the Central Asia of 1000 years ago, when Turks left it behind.
Massively immigrating to Anatolia and taking over the natives by far.

The biggest proof that Turks haven't substantially mixed is the fact that ethnic Turks from Turkey are isolated.
See East Asian admixture map:

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif


Taking over the natives? even your own Turkish scientist claim the maximum Central Asian genetic contribution to Turkish is about 30%.

[Proto-Shaman]

That's like saying Murat Karayılan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Karay%C4%B1lan]), raped the Turkish military.
lol, when and how?

[Rojava]

lol, when and how?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15363865

And that's just a recent example.

[Proto-Shaman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15363865

And that's just a recent example.
That's not even close to Pamukoğlu's operations in the 90's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxfpzmXC08

In 2 years Pamukoğlu decimated 3/4 of the PKK fighters, from ~20.000 to ~5000. Furthermore all PKK camps in nothern Irak were blasted away. He fought shoulder to shoulder with Turkish soldiers, that's why he is known as the legendary commander, the nightmare of the PKK.

[ButlerKing]

That's not even close to Pamukoğlu's operations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxfpzmXC08

In 2 years Pamukoğlu killed 3/4 of the PKK fighters, from ~20.000 to ~5000. Furthermore all PKK camps in nothern Irak were blasted away.

You know what? the Kurds were pretty strong in the past too

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/AyyubidGreatest.png

[RussiaPrussia]

Compared to modern Central Asia.
Not compared to the Central Asia of 1000 years ago, when Turks left it behind.
Massively immigrating to Anatolia and taking over the natives by far.

The biggest proof that Turks haven't substantially mixed is the fact that ethnic Turks from Turkey are isolated.
See East Asian admixture map:

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

so what and russia and has higher percentage of east asian admixture despite speaking slavic

[Mehmet]

so what and russia and has higher percentage of east asian admixture despite speaking slavic

In case of Turks it's good to have east asian admixture, the higher the percentage is, the better it is in the sense no important mixing occured with native people, or people of the area.

Russia seems to have a lot but I think the colored parts indicate the native people (tiny minority of the population).
Where it's purple, it's not inhabited by true (Slavic) Rus people.

True Russians have no East Asian.


For this reason, it's higher in Turks (from Turkey - Center, West and North parts of Anatolia) than in Russians.

[ButlerKing]

In case of Turks it's good to have east asian admixture, the higher the percentage is, the better it is in the sense no important mixing occured with native people, or people of the area.

Russia seems to have a lot but I think the colored parts indicate the native people (tiny minority of the population).
Where it's purple, it's not inhabited by true (Slavic) Rus people

True Russians have no East Asian.


For this reason, it's higher in Turks (from Turkey - Center, West and North parts of Anatolia) than in Russians.

Actually true Russians do have Mongoloid DNA. The Uralic people also make a portion of Russian people DNA, than there was Tatars, Turkics, Mongols who make up possibly very little DNA.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2b9ugn.jpg

[RussiaPrussia]

In case of Turks it's good to have east asian admixture, the higher the percentage is, the better it is in the sense no important mixing occured with native people, or people of the area.

Russia seems to have a lot but I think the colored parts indicate the native people (tiny minority of the population).
Where it's purple, it's not inhabited by true (Slavic) Rus people.

True Russians have no East Asian.


For this reason, it's higher in Turks (from Turkey - Center, West and North parts of Anatolia) than in Russians.

https://downloader.disk.yandex.com/preview/8ddafbe1ef868352c214c07eba62a834/mpfs/5YPn0-ayNGhLOna4-kYF8JGxR-nTwQ44YakyugLs-xUBd3Gl4soBIC2C2sMnK6qIjyeJXMDmG7o5RqFH6MwzUg%3D%3 D?uid=0&filename=ADMIXTURE10png&disposition=inline&hash=&limit=0&content_type=image%2Fpng&size=XXL&crop=0

nope russians have more north east asian admixture than turks that means russians are closer to mongols and other churchkas than you

[Proto-Shaman]

You know what? the Kurds were pretty strong in the past too
Then they got overthrown by the Kypchak Mamluk Turks.
http://fanack.com/uploads/pics/lebanon_mamluk_map_01.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

https://downloader.disk.yandex.com/preview/8ddafbe1ef868352c214c07eba62a834/mpfs/5YPn0-ayNGhLOna4-kYF8JGxR-nTwQ44YakyugLs-xUBd3Gl4soBIC2C2sMnK6qIjyeJXMDmG7o5RqFH6MwzUg%3D%3 D?uid=0&filename=ADMIXTURE10png&disposition=inline&hash=&limit=0&content_type=image%2Fpng&size=XXL&crop=0

nope russians have more north east asian admixture than turks that means russians are closer to mongols and other churchkas than you
Q is higher in Turks due to the fact that Q is native to them. The very few Q in Slavs is a Turkic job.

[Ατομικιστής]

There are no Greeks in Turkey.

[tamilgangster]

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, a phenotype distrobution stateby state India

[Rojava]

That's not even close to Pamukoğlu's operations in the 90's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxfpzmXC08

In 2 years Pamukoğlu decimated 3/4 of the PKK fighters, from ~20.000 to ~5000. Furthermore all PKK camps in nothern Irak were blasted away. He fought shoulder to shoulder with Turkish soldiers, that's why he is known as the legendary commander, the nightmare of the PKK.

Wrong, because the only reason why the amount of PKK fighters decreased was when Ocalan was captured in 99. It must be propaganda. We Kurds have done the same with a Kurd we nicknamed "Mama Risha" that apparently killed 2000 Iraqi soldiers in a single battle. Nationalists like to change the numbers around. The number of the PKK guerrillas gradually started increasing and there are some sources which state that there are 50,000 Guerrillas now which can be found as far north as Ararat (but most of them have now withdrawn due to the peace process).

However if you look at the people loyal to the KCK (which is like some sort of Kurdish alliance), there are 50,000 fighters, in Syria (YPG), loyal to Ocalan alone.

[Wadaad]

You know what? the Kurds were pretty strong in the past too

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/AyyubidGreatest.png

:lol: Saying that this was a Kurdish empire would be equivalent to saying that America was a Kenyan empire from 2008-2016

[ButlerKing]

:lol: Saying that this was a Kurdish empire would be equivalent to saying that America was a Kenyan empire from 2008-2016

The founder of this empire was Kurdish

[ButlerKing]

:lol: Saying that this was a Kurdish empire would be equivalent to saying that America was a Kenyan empire from 2008-2016


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayyubid_dynasty

The Ayyubid dynasty (Kurdish: دەوڵەتی ئەییووبی Dewleta Eyûbiyan; Arabic: الأيوبيون‎ al-ʾAyyūbiyyūn) was a Muslim dynasty of Kurdish origin

[Wadaad]

The founder of this empire is Kurdish empire

It was an Arab empire whose founders happened to be Kurd


Once the Ayyubids were ensconced in power, some of them sponsored genealogies showing that they were not Kurds, but rather of noble Arab descent, stemming from the Morra b. ʿAwf—or even from the Banū Omayya: On one level, such genealogies are obviously fictions. However, Minorsky (Studies in Caucasian History, pp. 114-16, 123, 128-30) argues that the Rawādīya Kurds should perhaps be connected to the descendants of the Arab general Rawwād Azdī, who was governor of Tabrīz ca. 200/815. These men, having become Kurdicized, emerge in the late fourth/tenth century as the paramount clan among the powerful Haḏbānīya tribe in Azerbaijan, whence one branch moved to take up residence in the district of Dvin at some point in the eleventh century. If Minorsky’s speculations are sound, then the fictitious Arab genealogies of the Ayyubids not only contain a kernel of truth but preserve an authentic folk memory.

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/ayyubids

Unlikes the Mamelukes, which was a Turkish empire

[Mehmet]

Saladin betrayed Syrian Seljuks. Nureddin Zenghi sent him to Egypt, to destroy the Shia anti-Caliphe. Saladin was the commander of the Syrian Seljuk Army.

When Saladin reached Egypt, he cooperated with Shia Fatimids, waited the death of Zenghi and took his lands in Syria/Palestine.
He was soft to Crusaders.

He even suggested to Crusaders to destroy and invade Rum Seluk (Anatolian Turks) and not to touch his lands :)
Richard Lion Heart made him experience a shameful defeat.

2 generations later, Turkic Kypchak and Circassian guys overthrew the "regime" in Cairo, massacred the offspring of Saladin.
They founded THE powerful empire, the Mamluk.
They finished off the job with both Mongols and Crusaders.


Mamluks were led by Turk guys (Qutuz, Baibars, Aktay, ..) and spoke Turk.
The Egyptian folk used to speak Arabic; the Mamluks spoke Turk in the court, the army etc.

Later Circassians got stronger (around 15th century).
But later Ottomans came and finished off the job with them too.


When we look at the last 1000 years, from North Africa to India's, everywhere was ruled by Turks.
And Turks were considered a high class people, with noble blood.

To this day, in countries such as Algeria or Egypt, having Turkish ancestors is considered to be nobility.


Conclusion: logically in the future, Turks will rule again over these lands

[ButlerKing]

It was an Arab empire whose founders happened to be Kurd



http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/ayyubids

Unlikes the Mamelukes, which was a Turkish empire

Um it says Kurdicized which makes them Kurds otherwise nearly 1/2 modern Kurds aren't Kurds either.

Turkish people themselves were Turkified does that mean that Ottoman was not Turk?

Timurlane was from the Barlas tribe of Mongol who mixed with Turks of Uzbekistan does that mean he was a Mongol not Turk?

They fought for the people that they became it's simple as that.

[ButlerKing]

Saladin betrayed Syrian Seljuks. Nureddin Zenghi sent him to Egypt, to destroy the Shia anti-Caliphe. Saladin was the commander of the Syrian Seljuk Army.

When Saladin reached Egypt, he cooperated with Shia Fatimids, waited the death of Zenghi and took his lands in Syria/Palestine.
He was soft to Crusaders.

He even suggested to Crusaders to destroy and invade Rum Seluk (Anatolian Turks) and not to touch his lands :)
Richard Lion Heart made him experience a shameful defeat.

2 generations later, Turkic Kypchak and Circassian guys overthrew the "regime" in Cairo, massacred the offspring of Saladin.
They founded THE powerful empire, the Mamluk.
They finished off the job with both Mongols and Crusaders.


Mamluks were led by Turk guys (Qutuz, Baibars, Aktay, ..) and spoke Turk.
The Egyptian folk used to speak Arabic; the Mamluks spoke Turk in the court, the army etc.

Later Circassians got stronger (around 15th century).
But later Ottomans came and finished off the job with them too.


When we look at the last 1000 years, from North Africa to India's, everywhere was ruled by Turks.
And Turks were considered a high class people, with noble blood.

To this day, in countries such as Algeria or Egypt, having Turkish ancestors is considered to be nobility.


Conclusion: logically in the future, Turks will rule again over these lands


Turks were also ruled by Tibetan, Manchus

[MisterGaga]

When we look at the last 1000 years, from North Africa to India's, everywhere was ruled by Turks.
And Turks were considered a high class people, with noble blood.

To this day, in countries such as Algeria or Egypt, having Turkish ancestors is considered to be nobility.


Conclusion: logically in the future, Turks will rule again over these lands

My mother is Kouloughli descent actually (she is Algerian). Some Turkish love/fetish in todays Algeria is recent trend. When my uncle went to Turkey in 1950's , my grandmother used to say it to everyone yet many people wondered. Obviously when the Turks dominated , Turkish was considered the ruling class.

Besides this , Algeria was the most powerful state in the Mediterranean during the Ottoman era. Hell there was even an Algeria-United States war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars). It was important for some European powers , especially France , to take the control of that 'dangerous' Muslim state. :lol:

[Proto-Shaman]

Wrong, because the only reason why the amount of PKK fighters decreased was when Ocalan was captured in 99. It must be propaganda.
Could be indeed propaganda, however Turkish Wikipedia (http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osman_Pamuko%C4%9Flu#PKK.27ya_kar.C5.9F.C4.B1_m.C3 .BCcadele) at least gives following numbers for only the PKK-members: reduction of PKK fighters from 12.000 to 5.500-6.000 between 1993 and 1995. So, a loss of ~6.000 manpower. If we include other Kurdish guerilla organizations beyond the borders of Turkey (since Pamukoğlu operated in about 30 cross-border missions), then the previously mentioned numbers could be correct.


Nationalists like to change the numbers around. The number of the PKK guerrillas gradually started increasing and there are some sources which state that there are 50,000 Guerrillas now which can be found as far north as Ararat (but most of them have now withdrawn due to the peace process).

However if you look at the people loyal to the KCK (which is like some sort of Kurdish alliance), there are 50,000 fighters, in Syria (YPG), loyal to Ocalan alone.
They seem to be 60,000 to 70,000 part-time guerillas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish%E2%80%93Turkish_conflict).

[RandoBloom]

Why is it said that Turks are 55% Greek. Maybe Greeks are 55% Turks :)

[ButlerKing]

Why is it said that Turks are 55% Greek. Maybe Greeks are 55% Turks :)

Because everyone knows that Greeks were thousand years longer in Anatolia (a.k.a Turkey ) before the Turks came.

[RandoBloom]

Because everyone knows that Greeks were thousand years longer in Anatolia (a.k.a Turkey ) before the Turks came.

And then got inserted on the D. That exactly is the reason why it should be Greeks are 55% Turkish

[Insuperable]

Turkmen+Greek like people=a lot of modern Turks still depending on a region

[Proto-Shaman]

Because everyone knows that Greeks were thousand years longer in Anatolia (a.k.a Turkey ) before the Turks came.
Heey don't forget the Trojans and the Turcos! :cool:

[Dianatomia]

Because everyone knows that Greeks were thousand years longer in Anatolia (a.k.a Turkey ) before the Turks came.

And because Greeks have 0% mongoloid ancestry.

BTW Turks having mostly ancestry of pre-turkic Greek-like people, maybe. But 55% Greeks. Unlikely.

[aherne]

I would say 80% of ancestry in ethnic Turks comes from former Greek-speakers, but those were no more Greek by blood than Turks are Turanian by blood...

[Proto-Shaman]

And because Greeks have 0% mongoloid ancestry.

BTW Turks having mostly ancestry of pre-turkic Greek-like people, maybe. But 55% Greeks. Unlikely.
You forgot pre-Hellenic-like peoples, such as semi-nomadic Pelasgians and so called "agglutinative" Turanians.

[Kamal900]

Um, Turks originated from Turkmenistan and killed most of the indigenous greek speaking anatolians. Some anatolians survived(pontic greeks) the genocide. The reason why a lot of them have caucasian ancestry is because they mixed with Europeans and other caucasoid populations during the ottoman period.

[ButlerKing]

Um, Turks originated from Turkmenistan and killed most of the indigenous greek speaking anatolians. Some anatolians survived(pontic greeks) the genocide. The reason why a lot of them have caucasian ancestry is because they mixed with Europeans and other caucasoid populations during the ottoman period.

So where is the evidence of greek genocide?

[Hellenas]

Why is it said that Turks are 55% Greek. Maybe Greeks are 55% Turks :)

Turks are 15% Mongols and the average Turk is 7% a Mongol. Turks are a Med-Armenoid race mixed with Middle Eastern Inranids and Mongoloid Turanids. The Med admixture of the Turks is of turkified Aegean & Thracian origin, so Turks are mixed with Greeks who were once a great part of the populations of Anatolia. Turks genetically are half Europeans. Greeks from the other hand are 0% Mongoloids=non-mixed with Turks. Iranid & Armenoid types among Greeks are almost nonexistent. Greeks are Meds & Alpines with a Dinaric influence. Greeks have a west Asian admixture from Neolithics and same goes for Italians, but it is not from Turks. The lie that Greeks and Turks are the same people is a lie of the haters of Hellenism.

[PlanA]

Turkmen ancestry

20% Aralid/Turanid ( closer to Mongoloid )

80% Pamirid/Turanid ( closer to Caucasoid )


Would you rather embrace your fake origin?

http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/turktezel/382107_263683967091725_1456831070_n.jpg





There is NO MONGOLIAN DNA in Turkmen.


There is only Siberian Mongoloid type DNA in Turkmen that is also found in many modern Mongoloid Siberian Turks such as haplogroup N and Q


^^These kiddies look so cute :)

[Dorian]

This is an exaggerated statement, but the thing is that this 55% is not turkish and this is what really matters!

[HellLander87]

Turks=0.55% Greek. Turks have indeed some human ancestors.

[Dorian]

can anyone send some examples of dinaricized mediterranean turks?

[Kiyant]

Um, Turks originated from Turkmenistan and killed most of the indigenous greek speaking anatolians. Some anatolians survived(pontic greeks) the genocide. The reason why a lot of them have caucasian ancestry is because they mixed with Europeans and other caucasoid populations during the ottoman period.

Wrong Turks came from the Altai which is not in Türkmenistan genius

[Kamal900]

Wrong Turks came from the Altai which is not in Türkmenistan genius

pfft, whatever. I point is that they have no genetic relations with the ancient Anatolians.

[Equilibrium]

Um, Turks originated from Turkmenistan and killed most of the indigenous greek speaking anatolians. Some anatolians survived(pontic greeks) the genocide. The reason why a lot of them have caucasian ancestry is because they mixed with Europeans and other caucasoid populations during the ottoman period.


pfft, whatever. I point is that they have no genetic relations with the ancient Anatolians.

http://exile.ru/img/articles/retard-1.jpg

[Kiyant]

pfft, whatever. I point is that they have no genetic relations with the ancient Anatolians.

Actually most have

[Dianatomia]

Actually most have

I wonder, are Turks having a form of 'enlightenment' on this issue? Are educated people aware of their Anatolian origins, or do most still insist on the Kemalist interpretation, in that they are of Turkic origin, associated only with the Ottoman migrants?

[Equilibrium]

Turks are North-Eurasians, bro. :cool: