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Anglojew
01-07-2014, 10:07 PM
Study focused on DNA differences across globe with the A111T mutation

Those who had mutation also shared traces of an ancestral genetic code

This indicates that all instances of mutation originate from same person

The mutated segment of DNA was itself created from a combination of two other mutations commonly found in East Asians


Light skin in Europeans stems from a gene mutation from a single person who lived 10,000 years ago.

This is according to a new U.S. study that claims the colour is due to an ancient ancestor who lived somewhere between the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent.

Scientists made the discovery after identifying a key gene that contributes to lighter skin colour in Europeans.

In earlier research, Keith Cheng from Penn State College of Medicine reported that one amino acid difference in the gene SLC24A5 is a key contributor to the skin colour difference between Europeans and West Africans.

‘The mutation in SLC24A5 changes just one building block in the protein, and contributes about a third of the visually striking differences in skin tone between peoples of African and European ancestry,’ he said.

He added the lighter skin colour may have provided an advantage due to the better creation of vitamin D from sunlight in the dark northern latitudes.

Building on this research, Professor Victor Canfield worked with Professor Cheng to study DNA sequence differences across the globe.

They studied segments of genetic code that have a mutation and are located closely on the same chromosome and are often inherited together.

The a mutation, called A111T, is found in virtually every one of European ancestry.

A111T is also found in populations in the Middle East and Indian subcontinent, but not in high numbers in Africans.

Penn State College of Medicine's Keith Cheng identified a key gene that contributes to lighter skin colour in Europeans and differs from West Africans

They discovered that all individuals from the Middle East, North Africa, East Africa and South India who carry the A111T mutation share traces of the ancestral genetic code.

According to the researchers, this indicates that all existing instances of this mutation originate from the same person.

The pattern of people with this lighter skin colour mutation suggests that the A111T mutation occurred somewhere between the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent.

‘This means that Middle Easterners and South Indians, which includes most inhabitants of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, share significant ancestry,’ Professor Cheng said.

This mutated segment of DNA was itself created from a combination of two other mutated segments commonly found in Eastern Asians - traditionally defined as Chinese, Japanese and Korean.

‘The coincidence of this interesting form of evidence of shared ancestry of East Asians with Europeans, within this tiny chromosomal region, is exciting,’ said Professor Cheng.

‘The combining of segments occurred after the ancestors of East Asians and Europeans split geographically more than 50,000 years ago; the A111T mutation occurred afterward.’

Professor Cheng now plans to look at more genetic samples to better understand what genes play the most important role in East Asian skin colour.

Newly released genomes from around a dozen early inhabitants of Europe suggest that the continent was once a melting pot in which brown-eyed farmers encountered blue-eyed hunter-gatherers.

A report in Nature claims that present-day Europeans have ancestry from three groups in various combinations:

Hunter-gatherers, some of them blue-eyed, who came from Africa more than 40,000 years ago
Middle Eastern farmers who migrated west much more recently
A mysterious population whose range may have spanned northern Europe and Siberia

These three groups were identified from the genomes of 8,000-year-old hunter-gatherers - one man from Luxembourg and seven individuals from Sweden - as well as the genome of a 7,500-year-old woman from Germany. The study was led by the University of Tübingen in Germany.

The research suggests that the individuals from Luxembourg and Spain probably had dark-skin and blue eyes. The German woman, meanwhile, had brown eyes and lighter skin, and was related to Middle Eastern groups.


Both the Luxembourg hunter-gatherer and the German farmer had a gene that breaks down saliva - and a feature that may have came about due to agricultural life.


However, neither of them had the ability to digest the sugar lactose, found in milk. The trait originally emerged in the Middle East after the domestication of cattle and later spread to Europe.

Previous studies suggested that Europeans today largely descended from Middle Eastern farmers.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2535288/Light-skin-colour-Europeans-stems-ONE-ancestor-lived-India-Middle-East-10-000-years-ago.html#ixzz2pkyFQNyL

-I personally am skeptical because a 2008 study stated the same thing about blue-eyes;


People with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor, according to new research.

A team of scientists has tracked down a genetic mutation that leads to blue eyes. The mutation occurred between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago. Before then, there were no blue eyes.

"Originally, we all had brown eyes," said Hans Eiberg from the Department of Cellular and Molecular Medicine at the University of Copenhagen.

The mutation affected the so-called OCA2 gene, which is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives color to our hair, eyes and skin.

"A genetic mutation affecting the OCA2 gene in our chromosomes resulted in the creation of a 'switch,' which literally 'turned off' the ability to produce brown eyes," Eiberg said.

The genetic switch is located in the gene adjacent to OCA2 and rather than completely turning off the gene, the switch limits its action, which reduces the production of melanin in the iris. In effect, the turned-down switch diluted brown eyes to blue.

If the OCA2 gene had been completely shut down, our hair, eyes and skin would be melanin-less, a condition known as albinism.

"It's exactly what I sort of expected to see from what we know about selection around this area," said John Hawks of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, referring to the study results regarding the OCA2 gene. Hawks was not involved in the current study.

Baby blues

Eiberg and his team examined DNA from mitochondria, the cells' energy-making structures, of blue-eyed individuals in countries including Jordan, Denmark and Turkey. This genetic material comes from females, so it can trace maternal lineages.

They specifically looked at sequences of DNA on the OCA2 gene and the genetic mutation associated with turning down melanin production.

Over the course of several generations, segments of ancestral DNA get shuffled so that individuals have varying sequences. Some of these segments, however, that haven't been reshuffled are called haplotypes. If a group of individuals shares long haplotypes, that means the sequence arose relatively recently in our human ancestors. The DNA sequence didn't have enough time to get mixed up.

"What they were able to show is that the people who have blue eyes in Denmark, as far as Jordan, these people all have this same haplotype, they all have exactly the same gene changes that are all linked to this one mutation that makes eyes blue," Hawks said in a telephone interview.

Melanin switch

The mutation is what regulates the OCA2 switch for melanin production. And depending on the amount of melanin in the iris, a person can end up with eye color ranging from brown to green. Brown-eyed individuals have considerable individual variation in the area of their DNA that controls melanin production. But they found that blue-eyed individuals only have a small degree of variation in the amount of melanin in their eyes.

"Out of 800 persons we have only found one person which didn't fit — but his eye color was blue with a single brown spot," Eiberg told LiveScience, referring to the finding that blue-eyed individuals all had the same sequence of DNA linked with melanin production.

"From this we can conclude that all blue-eyed individuals are linked to the same ancestor," Eiberg said. "They have all inherited the same switch at exactly the same spot in their DNA." Eiberg and his colleagues detailed their study in the Jan. 3 online edition of the journal Human Genetics.

That genetic switch somehow spread throughout Europe and now other parts of the world.

"The question really is, 'Why did we go from having nobody on Earth with blue eyes 10,000 years ago to having 20 or 40 percent of Europeans having blue eyes now?" Hawks said. "This gene does something good for people. It makes them have more kids."


http://www.livescience.com/9578-common-ancestor-blue-eyes.html

However, this is contradicted now with claims Europe had a hunter-gatherer population with blue-eyes up to 40,000 years ago (eg in first article above).

StonyArabia
01-07-2014, 10:08 PM
Light skin originated in Kavkazia actually and so did blue eyes.

GrebluBro
01-07-2014, 10:09 PM
It is very-cold climate adaptation.
Some Kashmiris got white-skin mostly that is not influenced by European-skin related ancestors.
Even native Chilean got very-light skin I believe

Neanderthal
01-07-2014, 10:11 PM
Bullshit, Neanderthals had light skin.

Szegedist
01-07-2014, 10:13 PM
Bullshit, Neanderthals had light skin.

Agreed, its like these people never seen pictures of the Nihilist...

Smeagol
01-07-2014, 10:14 PM
Light skin originated in Kavkazia actually and so did blue eyes.

Blue eyes originated actually around Ukraine, and South Russia, north of the Black Sea, around the area of the proto-Indoeuropeans.

Prisoner Of Ice
01-07-2014, 10:17 PM
They said the same thing about blue eyes, except with an even younger age. Then they sequenced someone in europe 20k+ years old and found blue eyes. WHOOPS.

Molecular clock nonsense is wholly pulled out of thin air and means nothing. The origin points also mean nothing, it could have developed in africa or siberia for all we know, then rapidly expanded 50k years later.

It's funny to me because they look at neanderthal and say it's not the same version of red hair so that's not where we get it from. Then they look at different versions of stuff between blacks and whites and do some backsolving to decide how long this supposed mutation occurred (and it's always assumed that the european version is the mutation).

In short it's all BS, and I'd even go so far as to say it's an intentional deception with a political motive.

Anglojew
01-07-2014, 10:19 PM
They said the same thing about blue eyes, except with an even younger age. Then they sequenced someone in europe 20k+ years old and found blue eyes. WHOOPS.

Molecular clock nonsense is wholly pulled out of thin air and means nothing. The origin points also mean nothing, it could have developed in africa or siberia for all we know, then rapidly expanded 50k years later.

It's funny to me because they look at neanderthal and say it's not the same version of red hair so that's not where we get it from. Then they look at different versions of stuff between blacks and whites and do some backsolving to decide how long this supposed mutation occurred (and it's always assumed that the european version is the mutation).

In short it's all BS, and I'd even go so far as to say it's an intentional deception with a political motive.

I pointed that out in my post. I'm dubious for that exact reason as this study contradicts that one.

Pure ja
01-10-2014, 07:51 PM
Blue eyes originated actually around Ukraine, and South Russia, north of the Black Sea, around the area of the proto-Indoeuropeans.

The Ukrainian refugium was Uralic.

Äijä
01-10-2014, 09:09 PM
The Ukrainian refugium was Uralic.

Mixed Uralic and who ever turned IE is possible but no one can know for sure at this time.

Proto-Shaman
01-10-2014, 09:13 PM
Hunter-gatherers, some of them blue-eyed, who came from Africa more than 40,000 years ago
This would at least confirm the Paleolithic Continuity Paradigm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_Continuity_Theory), which claims, that Indo-Europeans originated in Paleolithic Africa 50.000 years ago.

Artek
01-11-2014, 11:51 AM
Light skin originated in Kavkazia actually and so did blue eyes.
Everything originated in Caucasus. Everything

Peyrol
01-11-2014, 12:07 PM
Light skin originated in Kavkazia actually and so did blue eyes.

And what about these, then?

http://i40.tinypic.com/6edf6u.png

http://www.lipstickalley.com/gallery/data/500/tumblr_ltq8a9JUyT1qkkv4to1_500.jpg

http://theheartthrills.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/black-girl-with-blue-eyes.jpg

lei.talk
01-11-2014, 12:56 PM
Tribuno (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?2274-Peyrol&tab=aboutme#aboutme) http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?109449&p=2283443#post2283443) And what about these, then?


schwarze mit blauen augen (http://i40.tinypic.com/6edf6u.png)

schwarze mit blauen augen (http://www.lipstickalley.com/gallery/data/500/tumblr_ltq8a9JUyT1qkkv4to1_500.jpg)

schwarze mit blauen augen (http://theheartthrills.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/black-girl-with-blue-eyes.jpg)

might be an independent development.

why do the scientists assume
these mutations occur only once

and are carried forward from that one point?

the frequency of those chemical transactions
are too numerous to count, but, it happened only once?

Loki
01-11-2014, 12:58 PM
Yet another sensationalist bollox claim with zero supporting evidence.

Peyrol
01-11-2014, 01:10 PM
Tribuno (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?2274-Peyrol&tab=aboutme#aboutme) http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?109449&p=2283443#post2283443) And what about these, then?


schwarze mit blauen augen (http://i40.tinypic.com/6edf6u.png)

schwarze mit blauen augen (http://www.lipstickalley.com/gallery/data/500/tumblr_ltq8a9JUyT1qkkv4to1_500.jpg)

schwarze mit blauen augen (http://theheartthrills.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/black-girl-with-blue-eyes.jpg)

might be an independent development.

why do the scientists assume
these mutations occur only once

and are carried forward from that one point?

the frequency of those chemical transactions
are too numerous to count, but, it happened only once?

What the hell...in your quote i've the nickname ''Tribuno'', that i had here in 2010-2011....how is this possible?

Sorry fo the OT, but this look like a bag...

Graham
01-11-2014, 01:12 PM
Light skin originated in Kavkazia actually and so did blue eyes.
What I've read and heard Is Turkey near the Black Sea . Sexual preferences & migration enhanced it through Europe.

The human eye color is a quantitative trait displaying multifactorial inheritance. Several studies have shown that the OCA2 locus is the major contributor to the human eye color variation. By linkage analysis of a large Danish family, we finemapped the blue eye color locus to a 166 Kbp region within the HERC2 gene. By association analyses, we identified two SNPs within this region that were perfectly associated with the blue and brown eye colors: rs12913832 and rs1129038. Of these, rs12913832 is located 21.152 bp upstream from the OCA2 promoter in a highly conserved sequence in intron 86 of HERC2. The brown eye color allele of rs12913832 is highly conserved throughout a number of species. As shown by a Luciferase assays in cell cultures, the element significantly reduces the activity of the OCA2 promoter and electrophoretic mobility shift assays demonstrate that the two alleles bind different subsets of nuclear extracts. One single haplotype, represented by six polymorphic SNPs covering half of the 3′ end of the HERC2 gene, was found in 155 blue-eyed individuals from Denmark, and in 5 and 2 blue-eyed individuals from Turkey and Jordan, respectively. Hence, our data suggest a common founder mutation in an OCA2 inhibiting regulatory element as the cause of blue eye color in humans. In addition, an LOD score of Z = 4.21 between hair color and D14S72 was obtained in the large family, indicating that RABGGTA is a candidate gene for hair color.

Pure ja
01-11-2014, 01:25 PM
This would at least confirm the Paleolithic Continuity Paradigm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_Continuity_Theory), which claims, that Indo-Europeans originated in Paleolithic Africa 50.000 years ago.

Ouch :D

Gaston
01-12-2014, 12:57 PM
Light skin originated in Kavkazia actually and so did blue eyes.

Maybe but what is sure is modern Caucasians are very different from ancient ones (more ANE and East Eurasian-admixed).

Jackson
01-12-2014, 01:16 PM
Study focused on DNA differences across globe with the A111T mutation

Those who had mutation also shared traces of an ancestral genetic code

This indicates that all instances of mutation originate from same person

The mutated segment of DNA was itself created from a combination of two other mutations commonly found in East Asians




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2535288/Light-skin-colour-Europeans-stems-ONE-ancestor-lived-India-Middle-East-10-000-years-ago.html#ixzz2pkyFQNyL

-I personally am skeptical because a 2008 study stated the same thing about blue-eyes;



http://www.livescience.com/9578-common-ancestor-blue-eyes.html

However, this is contradicted now with claims Europe had a hunter-gatherer population with blue-eyes up to 40,000 years ago (eg in first article above).

No he claims these hunter gatherers that entered Europe 40,000 years ago developed blue eyes, we know Lochasbour man and the other one from Iberia had blue eyes, but they are Mesolithic not Palaeolithic.

Graham
01-12-2014, 01:24 PM
Blue eyes is a genetic mutation that has probably happened over thousands of years. But the study focuses on the specific mutation that spread through Europe. An older family of blue eyed people could have died out. It's all about sexual preferences, adaption, evolution & migration.

Jackson
01-12-2014, 01:24 PM
They said the same thing about blue eyes, except with an even younger age. Then they sequenced someone in europe 20k+ years old and found blue eyes. WHOOPS.

Molecular clock nonsense is wholly pulled out of thin air and means nothing. The origin points also mean nothing, it could have developed in africa or siberia for all we know, then rapidly expanded 50k years later.

It's funny to me because they look at neanderthal and say it's not the same version of red hair so that's not where we get it from. Then they look at different versions of stuff between blacks and whites and do some backsolving to decide how long this supposed mutation occurred (and it's always assumed that the european version is the mutation).

In short it's all BS, and I'd even go so far as to say it's an intentional deception with a political motive.

Which one is that again?

Jackson
01-12-2014, 01:25 PM
Blue eyes is a genetic mutation that has probably happened over thousands of years. But the study focuses on the specific mutation that spread through Europe. An older family of blue eyed people could have died out. It's all about sexual preferences, adaption, evolution & migration.

Yeah that's an important point. People seem to think that if one group of people developed something, people living in the same area today must have got it directly from that. Which in many cases that's unlikely or incorrect. Like the whole red hair neanderthal thing.

Artek
01-12-2014, 03:28 PM
Yeah that's an important point. People seem to think that if one group of people developed something, people living in the same area today must have got it directly from that. Which in many cases that's unlikely or incorrect. Like the whole red hair neanderthal thing.
Scientists themselves often give an impression that they don't believe in the convergent evolution...and I also don't know why. In the name of what, Occam's razor?

There are albino people everywhere in the world, that would be totally retarded to make all of them related closely enough. There are albino rats(and other animals), does that imply an interbreeding between hominids and rodents?

Rochefaton
01-12-2014, 04:10 PM
Which one is that again?

I believe he is confusing the 24,000 year old Mal'ta Boy with La Brana 1. Mal'ta Boy's SNP's point to him being dark-skinned, dark-eyed and possibly freckled. Whereas La Brana 1 was likely blue-eyed, but was only 7,000 years old.

Jackson
01-12-2014, 04:21 PM
I believe he is confusing the 24,000 year old Mal'ta Boy with La Brana 1. Mal'ta Boy's SNP's point to him being dark-skinned, dark-eyed and possibly freckled. Whereas La Brana 1 was likely blue-eyed, but was only 7,000 years old.

Yeah could be, i couldn't find the 24,000 year old blue eyed guy he was talking about, nor do i remember it. La Brana and Lochabour are the ones afaik.