Incest: How common do you think it is?

[Loki]

Because of the universal taboo, I think it goes widely unreported, and only surfaces when one party (usually a child) objects.

It could be even more common in societies where sexuality is suppressed, as in Muslim countries. Easier to 'get laid' in the home than outside.

Your thoughts?

[Longbowman]

Don't look at me, I had three brothers and a cat.

[armenianbodyhair]

Loki where's that map...

[Mehmet]

It's common in Russia from what I know and in former Communist countries.
Less common elsewhere in the Western World.

Muslims have, of course, much lower rates of this desease than the rest of the world.
Just as they have the lowest rates of HIV, alcoholism etc..

[Longbowman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#Prevalence_and_statistics

[Longbowman]

It's common in Russia from what I know and in former Communist countries.
Less common elsewhere in the Western World.

Muslims have, of course, much lower rates of this desease than the rest of the world.
Just as they have the lowest rates of HIV, alcoholism etc..

Actually the British territory of St Helena has the lowest rate of HIV, at 0%. Muslim countries like Malaysia have fairly high rates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate

As you can see, Russia has a far higher HIV rate than the West, but Muslim Somalia, Sudan etc. also have far higher HIV rates.

I'll give you alcoholism. I admire Muslims for that. But of course Russia has the highest levels of it; after the fall of the USSR their life expectancy dropped a decade due to it.

[Loki]

It's common in Russia from what I know and in former Communist countries.
Less common elsewhere in the Western World.

Muslims have, of course, much lower rates of this desease than the rest of the world.
Just as they have the lowest rates of HIV, alcoholism etc..

Muslims are among the most inbred people on earth. That should tell you something ... despite your taqqiya propaganda.

[Mehmet]

I think there could also be correlation between beeing 'keener' to incest and being Atheists.

Atheists seem to give the green light to incest.

See Lawrence Krauss:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A-whKKYaK8


So the more Secular, the more incest?
Obviously.

[Longbowman]

UK: 0.3% HIV prevalence

Some Muslim countries:

Tajikistan, Libya, Indonesia, Bahrain: 0.3
Malaysia, Kyrgyzstan, Sudan: 0.4
Eritrea 0.6
Senegal, Somalia 0.7
Niger 0.8
Mali, Mauritania 1.1
Djibouti, 1.4
Cote d'Ivoire, 3.0
Chad, 3.1
Togo 3.4
Nigeria 3.7
Central African Republic 4.6

[Longbowman]

http://www.pri.org/stories/2012-04-18/pakistani-children-face-high-rates-incest-receive-little-support-family-state

Over here, Pakistani Muslims are the ones who commit the incest, Mehmet, and they commit it so often a lot of them are developing some really horrible conditions caused by heterozygous mutations (which are due to incest).

[Kazimiera]

I know how YOU feel about it, Loki. ;)

[Loki]

I know how YOU feel about it, Loki. ;)

Shut up, cousin :p

[Mehmet]

UK: 0.3% HIV prevalence

Some Muslim countries:

Tajikistan, Libya, Indonesia, Bahrain: 0.3
Malaysia, Kyrgyzstan, Sudan: 0.4
Eritrea 0.6
Senegal, Somalia 0.7
Niger 0.8
Mali, Mauritania 1.1
Djibouti, 1.4
Cote d'Ivoire, 3.0
Chad, 3.1
Togo 3.4
Nigeria 3.7
Central African Republic 4.6

Why do you quote from SS Africa?
When people discuss the Western, Christian civilization; do you also come up with stats from Angola, Congo etc?

Why not Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc?

[Caismeachd]

I don't think its all that common. It's not a beneficial or productive natural survival mechanism for humans physiologically. If it were ok to do it wouldn't create so many genetic problems.

[Also]

I am not much bothered by incest.

[Caismeachd]

I wonder if groups with higher genetic varience/mutation (Africans) have less ill effects if they inbreed. I wouldn't doubt that is the case.

[Kazimiera]

Shut up, cousin :p

:nicetongue

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Muslims are among the most inbred people on earth. That should tell you something ... despite your taqqiya propaganda.

non-marriage incest is also common. It is halal to be with a naked family member and touch her breasts because of jail house lawyering that goes on with islam. So in reality ultimately muslims bone their aunt or married sister whenever they are horny, if they don't have a wife already (and are not gay).

[Maleficent]

UK: 0.3% HIV prevalence

Some Muslim countries:

Tajikistan, Libya, Indonesia, Bahrain: 0.3
Malaysia, Kyrgyzstan, Sudan: 0.4
Eritrea 0.6
Senegal, Somalia 0.7
Niger 0.8
Mali, Mauritania 1.1
Djibouti, 1.4
Cote d'Ivoire, 3.0
Chad, 3.1
Togo 3.4
Nigeria 3.7
Central African Republic 4.6

The majority of the list is SSA countries. That begs the question: Is the high incest there the result of their Islamicized culture, or their native SSA culture?!

[Weedman]

in all honesty, from my own personal experience I can tell you that SOME Muslims practice a type of incest. Its not like it sounds exactly but it has more to do with keeping family fortunes or heirs, well.........in the family, LOL

I have some Muslims friends and I know one lady who says her sister in law is also her 5th cousin and stuff like her mother's aunt was also distantly related to her mother in another way.

Its not like inbred shit in the first cousin sense but its not unusual for distant relatives to marry one another for the sake of the heirs and family fortunes and although I dont if this is true or not but I'd imagine it's probably more common or typical of upper class or even some middle upper class families

and I cant speak for all Muslim countries too. The people I know are only from Lebanon and Palestine.

[Stimpy]

It probably correlates with this.
http://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/inbreeding-gradient-europe7.png

[Smeagol]

The majority of the list is SSA countries. That begs the question: Is the high incest there the result of their Islamicized culture, or their native SSA culture?!

Native SSA obviously. What do you expect from those people?

[Weedman]

I know how YOU feel about it, Loki. ;)

I wish Kaz was my sister just so it would make my sexual fantasies about her even MORE kinky!

lol

[Caismeachd]

The majority of the list is SSA countries. That begs the question: Is the high incest there the result of their Islamicized culture, or their native SSA culture?!

It could be a physiological thing as well. Africans have a huge amount of genetic variation/mutation compared to anyone else so it could just be that physiologically/genetically there are just less detrimental affects for them if they inbreed.

[Longbowman]

Why do you quote from SS Africa?
When people discuss the Western, Christian civilization; do you also come up with stats from Angola, Congo etc?

Why not Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc?

Turkey and Saudi Arabia have 0.1. But so does Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Finland etc.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

in all honesty, from my own personal experience I can tell you that SOME Muslims practice a type of incest. Its not like it sounds exactly but it has more to do with keeping family fortunes or heirs, well.........in the family, LOL

I have some Muslims friends and I know one lady who says her sister in law is also her 5th cousin and stuff like her mother's aunt was also distantly related to her mother in another way.

Its not like inbred shit in the first cousin sense but its not unusual for distant relatives to marry one another for the sake of the heirs and family fortunes and although I dont if this is true or not but I'd imagine it's probably more common or typical of upper class or even some middle upper class families

and I cant speak for all Muslim countries too. The people I know are only from Lebanon and Palestine.

Those are the least messed up muslim countries. Marrying your niece is very common.

[Mehmet]

It probably correlates with this.
http://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/inbreeding-gradient-europe7.png

Marrying cousin isn't incest.
Pretending otherwise would be acting like prostitutes who tell that after all, all women have sex.

It's not Turks who post on porn sites their vids with their mom, sister, daughter etc..
It's Russians, it's Swedes, it's Czech.

[Kazimiera]

I wish Kaz was my sister just so it would make my sexual fantasies about her even MORE kinky!

lol

I feel the same way............................................... ...............................

Loki knows too............................................... ......................................

[Longbowman]

The majority of the list is SSA countries. That begs the question: Is the high incest there the result of their Islamicized culture, or their native SSA culture?!

Well, mostly no, because this is, in fact, a list of HIV prevalence.

Incest in Pakistan and Afghanistan is incredibly prevalent, as per the link I posted though. Explain the SSA influence there :rolleyes:

[Longbowman]

Marrying cousin isn't incest.
Pretending otherwise would be acting like prostitutes who tell that after all, all women have sex.

It's not Turks who post on porn sites their vids with their mom, sister, daughter etc..
It's Russians, it's Swedes, it's Czech.

A) marrying your cousin IS incest.
B) those porn films are not ACTUALLY mothers and sons, you fool :picard1:

[Eckhart]

It probably correlates with this.
http://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/inbreeding-gradient-europe7.png

that map is total bullshit, monarchies are inbred hellholes.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I wonder if groups with higher genetic varience/mutation (Africans) have less ill effects if they inbreed. I wouldn't doubt that is the case.

They have much lower number of mutations, there's almost no genes being selected on in africa.

They also are much more inbred/homogenous. They are all either in small tribes, or come from small tribes that expanded very fast.

The only way there can be said to be more variety is they have more mtdna groups, but most or maybe even all of them came from outside of africa.

[Maleficent]

Native SSA obviously. What do you expect from those people?
It was a general question; not a dumb question.

It could be a physiological thing as well. Africans have a huge amount of genetic variation/mutation compared to anyone else so it could just be that physiologically/genetically there are just less detrimental affects for them if they inbreed.
Makes sense.

Well, mostly no, because this is, in fact, a list of HIV prevalence.

Incest in Pakistan and Afghanistan is incredibly prevalent, as per the link I posted though. Explain the SSA influence there :rolleyes:
Oh my bad, I read it wrong. Well I honestly think Pakistanis are some of the craziest Muslims out there, so there ya go.....

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Marrying cousin isn't incest.


:lol:

The comedy never stops. And you wonder why you guys are all so ugly....

[Smeagol]

It was a general question; not a dumb question.

I know, but what do you expect from sub-saharans?, of course incest would be a part of their culture.

[Stimpy]

Marrying cousin isn't incest.
It's not Turks who post on porn sites their vids with their mom, sister, daughter etc..
It's Russians, it's Swedes, it's Czech.
It's still as disgusting and unhealthy. When you marry your cousin for several generations they become almost as closely related as siblings.
The people who post such videos are social outcasts who make up 0.001% of the population whereas inbreeding is pretty much the norm in most islamic states.

[Loki]

that map is total bullshit, monarchies are inbred hellholes.

Huh? Monarchies' families make up a very small percentage of the population. I think the map is legit.

[Loki]

Marrying cousin isn't incest.


Depends what cousin. First cousins - certainly. Remote cousins, no.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

It is far more common amongst siblings than people let on or admit.

[Kazimiera]

It is far more common amongst siblings than people let on or admit.

True. Loki and I would be doing it all the time then. ;)

We are 2nd cousins.

[TheBlondeSalad]

There are so many people in the world.....why a relative? ew

[Longbowman]

There are so many people in the world.....why a relative? ew lol

FOR 2 PRESERV tHe S?UPERIoR JEANS

[Loki]

True. Loki and I would be doing it all the time then. ;)

We are 2nd cousins.

God, that would have been ... fun.

[Kazimiera]

There are so many people in the world.....why a relative? ew lol

Because there is this extreme eroticism about doing it with literally yourself. It's like having sex with yourself. The ultimate act of narcissism to be able to fuck yourself, you enjoying it being done to you. It's more psychological than physical.

[VAARON]

lions dont have a problem with it and muslim dont either (http://www.archive2012.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/inbreeding-and-resulting-genetic-disorder-in-muslim-community-part-1/). i think it is a cultural gift it is a taboo in our countries .

[Caismeachd]

FOR 2 PRESERV tHe S?UPERIoR JEANS

There's no point in it because it is genetically harmful even in the short term. If it was genetically beneficial everyone would do it and it wouldn't be a taboo. A lot of our "ethics" just come from intrinsic gene survival mechanisms to preserve our genes in the best possible way.

[Longbowman]

There's no point in it because it is genetically harmful even in the short term. If it was genetically beneficial everyone would do it and it wouldn't be a taboo. A lot of our "ethics" just come from intrinsic gene survival mechanisms to preserve our genes in the best possible way.

Yes, obviously :)

That said we're programmed to date people close to us, but not too close. Studies on rats suggest rats are unwilling to date immediate family but prefer 3rd cousins above all; something that is mirrored in many human societies. Essentially we're narcissists, and we want our genes to continue, but we don't want to imperil our issue.

[Arianiti]

Marrying first and second cousins do you consider that incest too?

I do not know how in different countries in Europe is this really, but Muslim countries, yes they are allowed to marry their first cousins even By Kuran.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Because there is this extreme eroticism about doing it with literally yourself. It's like having sex with yourself. The ultimate act of narcissism to be able to fuck yourself, you enjoying it being done to you. It's more psychological than physical.

For some, taboo. Mostly they can't get anything else especially in repressed muslim world.

[Caismeachd]

There is a natural altruism to preserve/spread genes in the best possible way. That's why people have xenophobia as well as don't commit incest generally. I just wondered if incest was more common in Africans because they have so much genetic variation/mutation in the first place so incest would overall be less detrimental genetically to them. I'm thinking of it in metrics.

[cally]

I don't find it appealing to have sex with a family member.

[Arianiti]

in Kuran

33:50 O thou prophet! verily, we make lawful for thee thy wives to whom thou hast given their hire, and what thy right hand possesses out of the booty that God has granted thee, and the daughters of thy paternal uncle and the daughters of thy paternal aunts, and the daughters of thy maternal uncle and the daughters of thy maternal aunts,

[Longbowman]

Marrying first and second cousins do you consider that incest too?

I do not know how in different countries in Europe is this really, but Muslim countries, yes they are allowed to marry their first cousins even By Kuran.

Yes. That is incest. It's dangerous, too. You share 25% of your DNA with your first cousins. That's grim. And leads to illness and debilitation. It's legal, in most places, but disgusting.

[Longbowman]

in Kuran

33:50 O thou prophet! verily, we make lawful for thee thy wives to whom thou hast given their hire, and what thy right hand possesses out of the booty that God has granted thee, and the daughters of thy paternal uncle and the daughters of thy paternal aunts, and the daughters of thy maternal uncle and the daughters of thy maternal aunts,

Just because it's allowed doesn't mean it should be done. In fact, it shouldn't.

[cally]

in Kuran

33:50 O thou prophet! verily, we make lawful for thee thy wives to whom thou hast given their hire, and what thy right hand possesses out of the booty that God has granted thee, and the daughters of thy paternal uncle and the daughters of thy paternal aunts, and the daughters of thy maternal uncle and the daughters of thy maternal aunts,

Do you agree with that ??

[Arianiti]

I don't find it appealing to have sex with a family member.

Well Incest In Albanian Tradition is The Biggest Sin , and according to our code we are not allowed even to intermix up to 500 generations.

This is where religions have always failed.

[Arianiti]

Do you agree with that ??

Never/ That is bullshit

[Arianiti]

Just because it's allowed doesn't mean it should be done. In fact, it shouldn't.

Did I say that it should be done. NO

I was just confirming my previous post. This is typical in Arab countries I think.

[cally]

Never/ That is bullshit

Good :p

[Agron]

Well Incest In Albanian Tradition is The Biggest Sin , and according to our code we are not allowed even to intermix up to 500 generations.

This is where religions have always failed.

Lol 500 generations?? As far as i know it's more like 7 generations.

[Arianiti]

Lol 500 generations?? As far as i know it's more like 7 generations.

Me Kanun e ke deri 500 gjenerata

[Prisoner Of Ice]

in Kuran

33:50 O thou prophet! verily, we make lawful for thee thy wives to whom thou hast given their hire, and what thy right hand possesses out of the booty that God has granted thee, and the daughters of thy paternal uncle and the daughters of thy paternal aunts, and the daughters of thy maternal uncle and the daughters of thy maternal aunts,

Also known as incest :lol:

[Longbowman]

Well Incest In Albanian Tradition is The Biggest Sin , and according to our code we are not allowed even to intermix up to 500 generations.

This is where religions have always failed.

Yeah, well, 2 to the power of 500 is in the billions, and Albania has 3 million people, so you tell me how accurate that is.

Also after a certain amount of generations the relationship is basically zero.

[VAARON]

Well Incest In Albanian Tradition is The Biggest Sin , and according to our code we are not allowed even to intermix up to 500 generations.

This is where religions have always failed.

interesting and honorable .. this may explain how albanians are muslims but yet are not have natural tendency for violent and losing of the mind like normal muslims .

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Yes. That is incest. It's dangerous, too. You share 25% of your DNA with your first cousins. That's grim. And leads to illness and debilitation. It's legal, in most places, but disgusting.

It's over the generations this becomes scary. Charles V's ancestors kept marrying SECOND cousins and wound up with parents genetically closer to each other than brother and sister.

[1stLightHorse]

When i was in Egypt last, Incest was most common among Christians and almost every Muslim family i encountered were very opposed to it.

[Comte Arnau]

Who will know you better than your sister? :fplug:

:laugh:

[Agron]

Me Kanun e ke deri 500 gjenerata

Po të kishte mesatarisht një gjenerat 25 vjet, atehere duhet me dit 12500 vjet para teje prej kujt e ki preardhjen.

[cally]

British Pakistanis marry their first cousins (55%) and the kids are often born with birth defects (higher rate than national average in UK). IDK but this is what puts me off Islam and makes me aware of the differences between European and non-European Muslims. They are often forced by their parents. Lol If I ever said to my father I want to marry my cousin, I would be dead somewhere. (not that I would ever ask such a thing)

[Prisoner Of Ice]

When i was in Egypt last, Incest was most common among Christians and almost every Muslim family i encountered were very opposed to it.

Egypt used to have brother-sister unions as the norm. It was only roman empire that eventually stopped it.

[Agron]

Yeah, well, 2 to the power of 500 is in the billions, and Albania has 3 million people, so you tell me how accurate that is.

Also after a certain amount of generations the relationship is basically zero.

he must have confused something, because in the "Kanun of leke dukagjini" it's until 7 generations afaik.

[Longbowman]

Egypt used to have brother-sister unions as the norm. It was only roman empire that eventually stopped it.

Only in the upper classes, though (Cleopatra, Thutmoses' mother, etc)

[Longbowman]

he must have confused something, because in the "Kanun of leke dukagjini" it's until 7 generations afaik.

I know he has :)

7 generations seems like a better way of doing it.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

British Pakistanis marry their first cousins (55%) and the kids are often born with birth defects (higher rate than national average in UK). IDK but this is what puts me off Islam and makes me aware of the differences between European and non-European Muslims. They are often forced by their parents. Lol If I ever said to my father I want to marry my cousin, I would be dead somewhere. (not that I would ever ask such a thing)

And that's the real problem, women don't have any choice. They would never allow this in a normal society.

When their ability to select is taken away it leads to horrible genetics propagating. That's why asia has such small penises, the marriages have historically been arranged so long and women treated like cattle that it doesn't matter how gross a guy is he will still get married.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Only in the upper classes, though (Cleopatra, Thutmoses' mother, etc)

I am pretty sure it was not just the upper class, it was the norm in alexandria for a long time. I don't have any reference off the top of my head, though.

[Longbowman]

I am pretty sure it was not just the upper class, it was the norm in alexandria for a long time. I don't have any reference off the top of my head, though.

Seems unlikely, they'd have started to die pretty quickly. I'm not an expert on Egyptian martial practises of the middle and lower classes, though.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Seems unlikely, they'd have started to die pretty quickly. I'm not an expert on Egyptian martial practises of the middle and lower classes, though.

The damage most comes in first generations. After than people can maintain it indefinitely, but will be more messed up for sure.

[Caismeachd]

http://topnews.in/law/files/prince-charles_9.jpg

The affects can be seen well here in this case.

[Longbowman]

The damage most comes in first generations. After than people can maintain it indefinitely, but will be more messed up for sure.

No, if we're talking about a hypothetical population where everybody or nearly everybody always marries their sibling, the likelihood is heterozygous mutations would render the majority of the population dead or sterile like the Habsburgs within a couple of generations. Look at that family in Australia; two generations, and already most of them are deaf, disabled, retarded etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2522483/Children-Australian-incest-cult-living-deformed-mute-valley.html

So they'd die out quickly, thank the Lord.

[Longbowman]

http://topnews.in/law/files/prince-charles_9.jpg

The affects can be seen well here in this case.

Is in fact not very inbred.

[gregorius]

It probably correlates with this.
http://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/inbreeding-gradient-europe7.png

map is fake, in armenia people consider their 5th cousin as a sister and would be seen as scum if they got together

[MayDay]

No, if we're talking about a hypothetical population where everybody or nearly everybody always marries their sibling, the likelihood is heterozygous mutations would render the majority of the population dead or sterile like the Habsburgs within a couple of generations. Look at that family in Australia; two generations, and already most of them are deaf, disabled, retarded etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2522483/Children-Australian-incest-cult-living-deformed-mute-valley.html

So they'd die out quickly, thank the Lord.

That is an elitist way of thinking. I work with "retarded" - your word - children. They are a gift from the Almighty.

[Methusalem]

The majority of the list is SSA countries. That begs the question: Is the high incest there the result of their Islamicized culture, or their native SSA culture?!

The list is in regards of HIV infections not incest. Man you are really dumb as hell.

[Longbowman]

That is an elitist way of thinking. I work with "retarded" - your word - children. They are a gift from the Almighty.

Would you want people to be mentally and physically disabled? Is that desirable in a person? If I told you I could cure your children, would you not accept that?

Stupid people are gifts, too, but being stupid is a bad thing.

[Maleficent]

The list is in regards of HIV infections not incest. Man you are really dumb as hell.

I already backtracked and admitted that I made a mistake when I first read it, but you obviously missed that.

[MayDay]

Would you want people to be mentally and physically disabled? Is that desirable in a person? If I told you I could cure your children, would you not accept that?

Stupid people are gifts, too, but being stupid is a bad thing.

It's a slippery road from telling people to abort mentally and physically disabled fetuses to racism.

All people are God's children. If God wants you to be stupid - your word - then that is His will. The man who pumps my gas is from Pakistan. There are many ways a mentally and disabled handicap person can live a meaningful and productive life. We need people to paint houses, clean streets, and many other things.

[MayDay]

The list is in regards of HIV infections not incest. Man you are really dumb as hell.

No need to insult her or reference hell. Everyone makes mistakes.

[Longbowman]

It's a slippery road from telling people to abort mentally and physically disabled fetuses to racism.

All people are God's children. If God wants you to be stupid - your word - then that is His will. The man who pumps my gas is from Pakistan. There are many ways a mentally and disabled handicap person can live a meaningful and productive life. We need people to paint houses, clean streets, and many other things.

Very true. Regardless it's not a positive; if asked I'd want my children to be intelligent super-athletes. But of course I do not support their abortion.

[Sarmatian]

It's common in Russia from what I know and in former Communist countries.
Less common elsewhere in the Western World.

Muslims have, of course, much lower rates of this desease than the rest of the world.
Just as they have the lowest rates of HIV, alcoholism etc..

Incest in Russia? Are you even fucking serious? What the fuck do you know about Russia you retarded lying scum?

For centuries incest in Russia was considered one of the worst crimes one can commit and was punishable by death. You saying fucking a cousin is not an incest? How about Russian custom where screwing anyone related up to 7 generations back is an incest and will lead to your inevitable head chop.

Ironically it's some Muslim populations in Russia and former USSR that have some form of incest as a norm. Central Asian republics are most known for it. Being married to a cousin or niece is quite common over there. There are also some such occurrences among Muslims of Caucasus but they are rare.

[Celxon]

I don't find it appealing to have sex with a family member.

What a bold statement! You went out on a limb (off the family tree) with that one. (jk)

[Celxon]

No, if we're talking about a hypothetical population where everybody or nearly everybody always marries their sibling, the likelihood is heterozygous mutations would render the majority of the population dead or sterile like the Habsburgs within a couple of generations. Look at that family in Australia; two generations, and already most of them are deaf, disabled, retarded etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2522483/Children-Australian-incest-cult-living-deformed-mute-valley.html

That's one of the worst news stories that I've ever read! It sounds like the plot of a horror movie.

So they'd die out quickly, thank the Lord.

That story sounds like the plot of a horror movie! It's extremely disturbing, to say the least.

[Ultra]

non-marriage incest is also common. It is halal to be with a naked family member and touch her breasts because of jail house lawyering that goes on with islam. So in reality ultimately muslims bone their aunt or married sister whenever they are horny, if they don't have a wife already (and are not gay).
Now I understand why Muslim guys are so sensitive about someone looking at their sister. :lol:

[Prisoner Of Ice]

It's a slippery road from telling people to abort mentally and physically disabled fetuses to racism.

All people are God's children. If God wants you to be stupid - your word - then that is His will. The man who pumps my gas is from Pakistan. There are many ways a mentally and disabled handicap person can live a meaningful and productive life. We need people to paint houses, clean streets, and many other things.

God didn't force you to marry your cousin or niece. You did it and that caused the problem.

[Longbowman]

God didn't force you to marry your cousin or niece. You did it and that caused the problem.

Right, but don't take it out on the kids. Take it out on the incestuous people.

[LightHouse89]

Now I understand why Muslim guys are so sensitive about someone looking at their sister. :lol:

I often wonder why they wear pervert deflector armor?

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Certainly is a popular thread....

[Longbowman]

Certainly is a popular thread....

+1 good contribution hail Atlantis.

[MayDay]

non-marriage incest is also common. It is halal to be with a naked family member and touch her breasts because of jail house lawyering that goes on with islam. So in reality ultimately muslims bone their aunt or married sister whenever they are horny, if they don't have a wife already (and are not gay).

My neighbor is Muslim. His sister visits him often. When they hug goodbye they hold on too long and real tight. I don't see the wife when they touch like that. I'm glad I'm Christian.

[MayDay]

God didn't force you to marry your cousin or niece. You did it and that caused the problem.

It was the devil but a child was born from the union and every child is a child of God.

[Arianiti]

Yeah, well, 2 to the power of 500 is in the billions, and Albania has 3 million people, so you tell me how accurate that is.

Also after a certain amount of generations the relationship is basically zero.

Albanians are not 3,000,000, but around 8 million in Balkans only. I know that the figure given in Kanun is too big as you can never follow that line of blood, but the message behind it is that you are Never EVER allowed to marry people that you are linked with blood.

For example, there are some families that I am not allowed to marry and I do not even know how far we go with the blood line. So that is the meaning of that 500 generations mentioned in our Code.

I have also to mention that no one knows how old our Canon is. It is called Canon of Leka (Leka is short for Alexander in Albanian) Some say that it is from the B.C period, and from the time of Alexander the Great, and that it was amended in medieval times as we have a chapter on Church in it now.

[Arianiti]

he must have confused something, because in the "Kanun of leke dukagjini" it's until 7 generations afaik.

Pse bre fol palidhje kur nuk din. Nga je ti?

[Agron]

Pse bre fol palidhje kur nuk din. Nga je ti?

A un foli palidhje a ti? Hajt loçk tkam mos ma lodh trunin, se as matematik te lehte sdike me bo.

[Arianiti]

A un foli palidhje a ti? Hajt loçk tkam mos ma lodh trunin, se as matematik te lehte sdike me bo.

Ke e marton ti prej brezit te shtate a? Kallxo.

Lexo edhe nje here cka te thashe. Brezi i shtate brezi i leshit. Ti nuk e marton askend qe e di qe e ke kusheri, sado larg te jete. Llogariti brezat ne familjen tende deri ku e din e kqyre a martoni a jo. Ik mos fol palidhje.

Stergjyshi, Babegjyshi, Baba yt, Ti, femija yt, Femija e Femise tend etj..e prej ketu lejohet martesa te shqiptaret a?

Hajte locka jem hajt.

[Herbalist]

Incest is more common than most people think. As an adult, I was shocked to learn how many of my childhood friends were sexually abused by their parents. People I never would have suspected their parents would do that. It's horrible.

The majority of sexual assaults, rape, incest, molestation, are not reported, and even fewer even result in a charge.

I'm glad it's been getting more attention lately since Woody Allen has been in the news, he is an incestuous child molester and he never ever got charged.

I think victims of it never report it because it is so taboo, and there is so much shame associated with it, even if you are the victim. Also, I could imagine it'd be hard to dig up those bad memories to testify in court.

[Agron]

Ke e marton ti prej brezit te shtate a? Kallxo.

Lexo edhe nje here cka te thashe. Brezi i shtate brezi i leshit. Ti nuk e marton askend qe e di qe e ke kusheri, sado larg te jete. Llogariti brezat ne familjen tende deri ku e din e kqyre a martoni a jo. Ik mos fol palidhje.

Stergjyshi, Babegjyshi, Baba yt, Ti, femija yt, Femija e Femise tend etj..e prej ketu lejohet martesa te shqiptaret a?

Hajte locka jem hajt.

Po ta dij se e kam kusheri atehere smund me e martu, por beni hesap sa kusherinj ki pas 7 brezave, me mija njerëz, nuk mund me i njofte krejt..
Në qoftë se nji femën eshte i njejtit fis se un, atehere skam drejt me e martu.. Ama jo 500 breza, se tkishte kan ashtu atehere skishim me kan te martohemi.

[Balmung]

Don't look at me both my parents sides are from different continents!

[Longbowman]

Don't look at me both my parents sides are from different continents!

...but, do you have a sister?

[Agron]

...but, do you have a sister?

... or a brother?

[Fear Fiain]

I have a female friend who dated a first cousin. I think that in any society where looks matter more than morality and this is re-enforced by those in power, it becomes pretty common among the attractive-and-shallow demographic, especially during adolescent years where relationships are encouraged to be short term.
At least that's how I rationalize the fact that such an otherwise intelligent and respectable girl did such a thing.

[MayDay]

Incest is more common than most people think. As an adult, I was shocked to learn how many of my childhood friends were sexually abused by their parents. People I never would have suspected their parents would do that. It's horrible.

The majority of sexual assaults, rape, incest, molestation, are not reported, and even fewer even result in a charge.

I'm glad it's been getting more attention lately since Woody Allen has been in the news, he is an incestuous child molester and he never ever got charged.

I think victims of it never report it because it is so taboo, and there is so much shame associated with it, even if you are the victim. Also, I could imagine it'd be hard to dig up those bad memories to testify in court.

I'm not shocked. I worked at a diner. Most patrons were truck drivers. Most truck drives are men. Few truck drivers are women. They were rude and crude. One placed his penis on the counter and told me it was a tip. I quit. Everywhere I go I have to work with men and their dirty thoughts.

[gregorius]

I'm not shocked. I worked at a diner. Most patrons were truck drivers. Most truck drives are men. Few truck drivers are women. They were rude and crude. One placed his penis on the counter and told me it was a tip. I quit. Everywhere I go I have to work with men and their dirty thoughts.

And you didnt took the tip ? :eek:

[Celxon]

I have a female friend who dated a first cousin. I think that in any society where looks matter more than morality and this is re-enforced by those in power, it becomes pretty common among the attractive-and-shallow demographic, especially during adolescent years where relationships are encouraged to be short term.
At least that's how I rationalize the fact that such an otherwise intelligent and respectable girl did such a thing.

For real? I thought that kind of familial romance was a thing of the past in most parts of America. I assumed that your cousin and her boyfriend/cousin were from this country. Did she meet her consanguine beau at a family reunion?;)

[Fear Fiain]

For real? I thought that kind of familial romance was a thing of the past in most parts of America. I assumed that your cousin and her boyfriend/cousin were from this country. Did she meet her consanguine beau at a family reunion?;)

no, it wasn't a relative of mine, it was a friend of mine, and she met him when she went to visit her relatives, her parents are immigrant, this didn't happen in America. I really can't say any more for the sake of anonymity and protecting the reputation of my friend.

[Fear Fiain]

I'm not shocked. I worked at a diner. Most patrons were truck drivers. Most truck drives are men. Few truck drivers are women. They were rude and crude. One placed his penis on the counter and told me it was a tip. I quit. Everywhere I go I have to work with men and their dirty thoughts.

because women are never as crude as that, and all men have such bad manners. RIIIGHHHT.

[MayDay]

because women are never as crude as that, and all men have such bad manners. RIIIGHHHT.

Thank you for understanding.

[Fear Fiain]

Thank you for understanding.

with a name and attitude like that, you have got to be a communist troll. I was so obviously being sarcastic it's not even funny.
I know someone who has a husband and five boyfriends.
you're full of shit woman.

[MayDay]

with a name and attitude like that, you have got to be a communist troll. I was so obviously being sarcastic it's not even funny.
I know someone who has a husband and five boyfriends.
you're full of shit woman.

I didn't do anything to you. Please calm down or I will have to end this conversation abruptly.

[Fear Fiain]

I didn't do anything to you. Please calm down or I will have to end this conversation abruptly.

I am perfectly calm, I just think that your attitude makes you a danger to society.
and you did do something to me, you lumped me in with the types of guys who put their dick on the counter as a tip.
there is a big difference.
women remember those types of guys after meeting them once.

I could sit with someone in the same room once a day for half a year and they wouldn't remember my name.

your attitude in saying all men are like that, is typical of the kind of women who really prefer and commit that kind of behaviour.

[Celxon]

no, it wasn't a relative of mine, it was a friend of mine, and she met him when she went to visit her relatives, her parents are immigrant, this didn't happen in America. I really can't say any more for the sake of anonymity and protecting the reputation of my friend.

Sorry for the typo. It's a relief to hear that this didn't happen here. I'm sure that there are cases where cousins and siblings cross the line, but they're very rare (I hope). I respect *your* respect for your friend.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

For real? I thought that kind of familial romance was a thing of the past in most parts of America. I assumed that your cousin and her boyfriend/cousin were from this country. Did she meet her consanguine beau at a family reunion?;)

Never heard of such a thing. My cousins are uber hot and it gets harder and harder to find attractive women these days so I can understand the concept, but it just seems like it would be creepy.

[RussiaPrussia]

all i know its common among east asians so that means its a good thing if its kept in balance

[Insuperable]

all i know its common among east asians so that means its a good thing if its kept in balance

Suicides for failing exams and for being a bad students are also common there. If you are attending any University (or if you are about to) I suggest that you restore balance, master Jedi. I recommend Glock.

[Kastrioti1443]

The ones who commit the terrible crime of incest must be skinned alive and the off springs must be killed or raised as soldiers since 5 years old. These are the 2 only solutions.

[Farah]

Because of the universal taboo, I think it goes widely unreported, and only surfaces when one party (usually a child) objects.

It could be even more common in societies where sexuality is suppressed, as in Muslim countries. Easier to 'get laid' in the home than outside.

Your thoughts?

I don't think this is accurate Loki..Incest is a huge, huge taboo and sin in Islam. Homosexuality is a more 'acceptable' taboo than incest is.

[simple_guy]

if homosexuality and bestiality are tolerated, then so must be incest. There is not anything "wrong" with it, unless it leads to deformed children. Hence marrying your distant cousins is not bad at all

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I don't think this is accurate Loki..Incest is a huge, huge taboo and sin in Islam. Homosexuality is a more 'acceptable' taboo than incest is.

Except cousins and nieces don't count and there's 50 loopholes...what a load of crap.

[gregorius]

I don't think this is accurate Loki..Incest is a huge, huge taboo and sin in Islam. Homosexuality is a more 'acceptable' taboo than incest is.

But thats because in the Islam having intercourse with a cousin isnt count as incest,

[Longbowman]

But thats because in the Islam having intercourse with a cousin isnt count as incest,

I know this one Arab-Jewish girl whose parents are first cousins. Grim. Can you imagine your grandchildren marrying each other? That's what happened.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I know this one Arab-Jewish girl whose parents are first cousins. Grim. Can you imagine your grandchildren marrying each other? That's what happened.

Not just what happens, but the norm.

Niece-marriage is much more creepy, but even more common.

[gregorius]

I know this one Arab-Jewish girl whose parents are first cousins. Grim. Can you imagine your grandchildren marrying each other? That's what happened.

It's not of my bussines, if they want to fuck eachother than let them. Who are we to judge, if its normal in their culture.

[Longbowman]

It's not of my bussines, if they want to fuck eachother than let them. Who are we to judge, if its normal in their culture.

Their culture is gross. I can judge whoever I want. Incest is damaging, cruel and backwards.

[Farah]

Except cousins and nieces don't count and there's 50 loopholes...what a load of crap.

Cousin, yes admittedly, but that is more related to culture, preceding religion. Cousin marriages occur among Arab Christians. It's due to the endogamous culture. Ofcourse I am against cousin marriages but I was talking incest in the context of your sibling/parent/aunt/uncle. That's outright forbidden

Niece marriages? I'm sorry but that's a lie. It's absolutely immoral and banned . Which countries does this happen in?

[Aurora]

I know of a couple who are cousins... second cousins once removed.

[Celxon]

Never heard of such a thing. My cousins are uber hot and it gets harder and harder to find attractive women these days so I can understand the concept, but it just seems like it would be creepy.

"Creepy" is an understatement. I wonder where we draw the line in 2014 America. Do we draw it at half cousins or second cousins? You share just one set of great-grandparents in each case.

[simple_guy]

Their culture is gross. I can judge whoever I want. Incest is damaging, cruel and backwards.

but sadly you cannot do anything except for judging it.
You just don't have the balls

[Longbowman]

but sadly you cannot do anything except for judging it.
You just don't have the balls

I don't care enough to do anything. I'm not going to come to your third-world hovel and shout at you; I might catch something, and if I spend £1,000 on aeroplane tickets, I'm going somewhere nice. And again, I don't care how you or any other animal lives.

What I do is do my best to prevent the spread of the shitstain of Islam to these shores. When I join the armed services, which will be after university, I'll probably be fighting Islamic extremism at its heart.

[Dandelion]

Consensual incest is more common than you might think. It's even portrayed in fiction, most notably in the Game of Thrones. Personally I also frown upon it, but if people are happy with it I'd say let them. I just strongly advice against them procreating.

[Nehellenia]

If we are including cousins in the mix, a hell of a lot throughout the world.

[Nehellenia]

Equivalent of procreating with a first cousin, is that you share 50% of the same genes, so it should not be encouraged obviously.

[MayDay]

Cousin, yes admittedly, but that is more related to culture, preceding religion. Cousin marriages occur among Arab Christians. It's due to the endogamous culture. Ofcourse I am against cousin marriages but I was talking incest in the context of your sibling/parent/aunt/uncle. That's outright forbidden

Niece marriages? I'm sorry but that's a lie. It's absolutely immoral and banned . Which countries does this happen in?

Yes, it's cultural rather than religious. The patriarch of the McCoy family infamous for his feud with the Hatfields married his first cousin. It's common in many rural cultures. It's obviously detriment to their society. Too many genetic related deformities and IQ depression. But does not have long terms consequences if these families begin to marry out.

[Longbowman]

Equivalent of procreating with a first cousin, is that you share 50% of the same genes, so it should not be encouraged obviously.

~25%* but yes. 50% of the same recent ancestry.

[Nehellenia]

lol thanks for correcting me, it's 5am over here. But think of it like this, what if a persons parents were cousins, grandparents cousins, and so on, how limited would their gene pool be, it is simply not right scientifically and humanly to have no variation.

[Longbowman]

lol thanks for correcting me, it's 5am over here. But think of it like this, what if a persons parents were cousins, grandparents cousins, and so on, how limited would their gene pool be, it is simply not right scientifically and humanly to have no variation.

I agree. As I've said, the possibility of heterozygous mutations is incredibly high, even within one or two generations. You produce unhealthy and broken offspring (usually).

[Nehellenia]

Could explain some birth defects in a certain unnamed ethnic group who seems to have a lot of them in the media, not gods but defects. Poor children.

[Celxon]

It's common in many rural cultures.

It's not common in rural cultures in the First World. Before 1900, it was fairly common in most places around the world (Darwin, Rothschild, nobility, etc.).

[Prisoner Of Ice]

but sadly you cannot do anything except for judging it.
You just don't have the balls
Of course we can we are just too moral to do it unless it's really necessary. When it becomes necessary, don't think those swastikas won't fly again.

[MayDay]

Of course we can we are just too moral to do it unless it's really necessary. When it becomes necessary, don't think those swastikas won't fly again.

I'm confused. Why would a Nazi-like political/military machine go to India to stop inbreeding?

[Raikaswinþs]

Cuanto mas primo, mas me arrimo- Old Spanish saying...:D

[afrotaino]

My first time was with a cousin, she was hot and she was 18 and I was 13, that was amazing omg!

[Odin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbiN2itNNFc

[Odin]

https://i.imgur.com/J3nivie.jpg

[Tertius]

Marrying cousin isn't incest.
Pretending otherwise would be acting like prostitutes who tell that after all, all women have sex.

It's not Turks who post on porn sites their vids with their mom, sister, daughter etc..
It's Russians, it's Swedes, it's Czech.

Marrying your first cousin is definitely incest (if you plan to have sex with her).
If all your grandparents are first cousins, it's same as, if your parents were siblings from genetical perspective.

[El_Abominacion]

It’s essentially tradition in some parts of the world