Montenegrin vs.Samurai

[Vukodav]

Montenegrin warrior defeated Samurai in a sword duel.

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Stories of legendary katana and great samurai swordsmen are widely known. However, this is a true story of a warrior from Montenegro who won in sword duel against samurai. His name is Alexander Lekso Sajčić
Alexander Lekso Sajčić was a Vasojević hero, born in the village of Vinicka in Berane. from an young age he showed remarkable characteristics: agility, speed, movement skills and alertness which were later crowned with great courage.
Lekso Saičić was captain of the Montenegrin army, and remembered by the incredible art of handling a sword.
He finished High school in Dubrovnik than moved to Belgrade where he attended Infantry NCO school. After the NCO school he went back three years in Montenegro, where he was appointed as adjutant of Vasojević brigade. As a soldier with the desire for further improvement he goes to Istanbul where he joins Turkish army as a captain of the imperial Guard where he serves for three years. From Istanbul he moved to Manchuria and joined the Russian army, where he was promoted to the rank of lieutenant. during his service in 1905 a major war between Russia and Japan occured.
In Vladivostok, where the troops of the two great empires gathered before the great battle, he encounters a squad of volunteers from his Vasojevići clan who had just arrived . Rejoiced to see them he joins them, and with them performs the final preparations before the battle. The commander of the Russian army (who is admiral of the fleet) Roženstvenko lined up the army and announced that Japanese emperor looking for a hero of the Russian army to go to the Japanese samurai duel (at that time, the refusal of such a request meant admitting defeat). Anyone who feels able to go to the contest, please report to me, said the commander.
Among the first who volunteered was Lekso Saičić who asked permission from Russian commander that he goes on duel with Japanese hero. When Lekso was ready to go, he greeted the commander and thanked him for the opportunity. Armies of two great empires with the greatest interest watched heroes, who will share the duel in front of them .
The surreal setting, the heroes are approaching each other. with breakneck speed they are clashing their swords dozens of times
It was a clash of two traditions and two methods of warfare. One swing of the samurai katana grazed Saičić's forehead. Japanese warrior,who saw the blood on Montenegrin was determined to end the duel. In that moment Lekso Saičić with his lightning speed waved the sword and behead a Japanese hero. As soon as he fell to the ground, samurai horse ran off back Japanese army. By this victory Saičić applied a heavy moral defeat the Japanese army, which has caused disappointment, but joy and happiness to the Russian army .
moving back from the duel ground, Lekso as a true knight, paid tribute to deceased Japanese soldier. As he approached the Russian army, lined up in his honor, he gave a command: QUIET!
Military music was playing military march. The commander of the Russian army generals, met the winner of the duel. Lekso greeted the commander and reported to him that he had performed his task. The commander greeted him back and congratulated him the victory, as well as the other generals. Then they treated him with highest military honors.
Admiral of the Russian Fleet Rodzenstvenko and the Japanese Fleet Admiral Togo also congratulated him. The Russian government has set his paycheck on forty napoleons in gold per year for life. In Manchuria, he was promoted to the rank of captain and by the end of the war he commanded the cavalry squadron Amur dragon regiment. His sabre, with which he defeated samurai is now kept at the Military Museum in Moscow.
He carried the following medals: St. Anne and St. Stanislaw of II class with swords, St. Vladimir of III class with Swords, St. Anne and St. Stanislaw III Class with Swords, Russian Medal of Wounded in Wars, Medal of the Italian Crown of IV class. Montenegrin medals he got were Medal of Danilo First of IV class and Silver Medal for Bravery.
In battles he was wounded three times, he never took a break to heal the wounds, but he continued to fight.
His death was a result of a jump from the second floor of the King's Palace in Cetinje during the fire in his thirty-eighth year, while he was trying to save the rare books that were kept there. He was buried with highest military honors.


text in Serbian http://borilacki-klub.com/borilacka-prica/crnogorski-ratnik-u-dvoboju-macevima-pobedio-samuraja/

[Kamal900]

Afro Samurai eat your heart out! we have a badass from Montenegro. And who said that the Ketanas makes the person powerful?

[Vukodav]

Afro Samurai eat your heart out! we have a badass from Montenegro. And who said that the Ketanas makes the person powerful?

lol
well, samurai had to earn the right to carry the katana :)

[KrashNick]

Maybe he was slavicized albanian :D

[Kamal900]

lol
well, samurai had to earn the right to carry the katana :)

The guy even looks epic. Have you noticed that most badass swordsmen have mustaches?

[Kamal900]

Maybe he was slavicized albanian :D

Not really, there are ethnic Montenegrins looks like him.

[Vukodav]

he is kinda textbook Dinarid from what i see. mustaches are good for balance ;)
he was ethnic Serb to the core actually.

[Vojnik]

That's awesome.

He doesn't look Albanian. He looks Serb/south Slavic.

[Vukodav]

That's awesome.

He doesn't look Albanian. He looks Serb/south Slavic.
yeah, but I a not really concerned about his phenotype :)
I posted this to brag about my clan and Monteniggaz TBH :D

[Apis]

Maybe he was slavicized albanian :D

If he had any Albanian in him, he'd have probably given up his arms and converted to Shinto. :D

[Vukodav]

If he had any Albanian in him, he'd have probably given up his arms and converted to Shinto. :D
ahahahaha kralju :D plačem od smijeha :rotfl:

[KrashNick]

If he had any Albanian in him, he'd have probably given up his arms and converted to Shinto. :D

Hahaha good one :D .

[Szegedist]

Interesting, thanks for posting.

[Vojnik]

yeah, but I a not really concerned about his phenotype :)
I posted this to brag about my clan and Monteniggaz TBH :D

Serb Spartans. :cool:

[i__w]

hmmm this can be a nice screenplay for a possible Chuck Norris movie...

[i__w]

If he had any Albanian in him, he'd have probably given up his arms and converted to Shinto. :D

but with this guy case, we can't deny that Montenegrins and Albanians have something in common, they can become famous worldwide by giving their services of fight for all sort of countries around the world, but not for their own countries...

[Vukodav]

but with this guy case, we can't deny that Montenegrins and Albanians have something in common, they can become famous worldwide by giving their services of fight for all sort of countries around the world, but not for their own countries...
Montenegrins who fought on Russian side in Russian-Japanese war were fighting for the honour of our country. All other wars our people fought were fought for liberation of Serbian lands(Montenegro included) and common Slavic cause. Fighting for our people has the same value as fighting for a peace of land we call "our country". I hope you can grasp the idea of it.

[Arianiti]

Interesting myth. ;)


They say Japan was made by a sword ..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdLBpcguoDM

[i__w]

Montenegrins who fought on Russian side in Russian-Japanese war were fighting for the honour of our country. All other wars our people fought were fought for liberation of Serbian lands(Montenegro included) and common Slavic cause. Fighting for our people has the same value as fighting for a peace of land we call "our country". I hope you can grasp the idea of it.

I do...but you my montegrin neighbor still don't...but one day I hope you'll live for urself not for serbia, nor for cremated slavic cause...
I wish the best for you indeed...

[Vukodav]

Interesting myth. ;)


They say Japan was made by a sword ..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdLBpcguoDM
It is a true story bro :)
anyway, more detailed text, but badly translated from russian

This happened in 1905, in the Russian-Japanese war. Our shelves were in eastern Manchuria Sypingayskih positions. To them, the location of the Japanese rider made with a white flag. On behalf of his general, he offered to any of the Russian officers to go out and in the broad field of battle with the Japanese saber poedinschikom.
In the Russian camp began to look for someone to put up against a samurai.
Then, before the tent of the commander of a tall and very thin lieutenant. His name was Alexander Saichich, 32 years old, he was a Serb from Montenegro, of the tribe of Vasoevichey. By his own request, he went to war with the Japanese and served in the detachment of Montenegrin volunteers Jovan Lipovtsev. The award-winning and wounded, brave Lexo Saichich volunteered to hack to death samurai.
This Montenegrin was known for his martial art. He could ride a horse at full gallop, crawl under it during the race, and said, if one day at the fair, he jumped two oxen harnessed to the yoke from Rahl. Simple stick he knocked the sword out of the hands of an experienced fighter, but somehow come together in a duel with the Italian fencing master, disarmed him and forced to flee without looking back.
To the sound of the march Lieutenant Saichich left the Russian ranks in the middle of the field. Was moving to the rider with the Japanese curved sword, katana. Samurai wore a black fur and as he later recalled Montenegrin, like views of the evil eagle. The fear of God. Rallying the troops voice died down, when opponents jumped on one another and the earth reeled under the horses’ hooves.
Swords rang, and suddenly rolled to a glancing blow, when they cut his forehead, Lex said Saichich deadly attacks.There was a scream, and the horse Samurai already scurried off, dragging their feet stuck in the stirrups dead body. The corpse of a black fell a hundred meters in front of the first row of Japanese troops. Saichich reached the lying opponent, bowed, and went galloping back to her.
Russian troops welcomed Montenegro’s stretched out on command “Attention!” Then there was a thunderous applause. Admiral Rozhdestvensky made lieutenant Saichicha in his arms wide, and soon, with a special accompaniment arrived and Japanese Admiral Togo, a slight bow to congratulate the winners. For this fight Lexo Saichich got the troops nicknamed “Murom”.
Murometz new century – Aleksandar Lexo Saichich
It was a picture that took place only in the epic songs: to build a two armies, Russian and Japanese, the battlefield had to share two warriors. One of them was Lieutenant Aleksandar Lexo Saichich …
The rain poured down, it seemed the sky above Cetinje cry. ”Tears – say the chroniclers, – did not hide nor King Nikola, Queen Milena nor were damp and shawls princes and princesses, while the majority of the people wiping tears with his hands.” It was April 7, 1911. In Cetinje hospital “Danilo I” from the effects of falling from the top floor of the Royal Palace, died captain Aleksandar Lexo Saichich, a 38-year life. In the funeral procession, which two days later, while attending State Orchestra and the honorary squad moved to the cemetery, along with the palace and the diplomatic entourage, silently walked mass of people.
At the head of the procession, as a kind of document of the deceased, on several pillows lay orders and medals: Russian Orders of St. Vladimir, with swords and ribbon Grade II, St. Anne’s I and II, St. Stanislaus with swords and ribbon II and III, Russian medal for being wounded , Montenegrin medal for bravery and Danilov Order IV degree, the Italian cross … A curious collection and heraldry would say experts. They then take this opportunity to whisper recounted last year’s event, which cost the life of a man before whose samurai sword and concealed their tresses.And then what happened?
Muromets of the century, as it was named after the Battle of Russian Eun-ju-Ahn of their legendary hero Ilya, Aleksandar Lexo Saichich heard that the fire engulfed the first floor of the Royal Palace at Cetinje and domchalsya like without a soul. At the risk of being and the top floor, where there were many jewels especially valuable gifts Montenegrin court, and the king of the many rulers of Europe and the world. And while most sought through the fire to reach the top of the first floor, Lex took off his shirt, soaked it in the first pelvis with water, wrapped around the head and ran through the flames. From above he could, dropping down to people to save a lot of valuable things, without which modern numerous visitors of the Museum of King Nikola, would remain deprived of a holistic view of the history of these spaces. And when the fire began to threaten and to himself, and when it was impossible to escape down the stairs, he jumped on the stone-paved courtyard, and heavily damaged the two kidneys.
He had long been ill while under care and supervision of all, with frequent visits by the king and his family, but does not cure it. Man died in front of military prowess is clearly in front of the armies, and bowed Russian Admiral Rozhdestvensky and his Japanese counterpart in the order of Togo. Before the stories about the event itself, that is a battle with the samurai, fast marching step should go through life Saichicha. Aleksandar Lexo Saichich was born in a village near Berane Winitzki August 5, 1873 at the family estate worthy descendant of Vuk Brayoticha – a famous commander Vasa Saichicha, writes in his entertaining and detailed work, “Montenegrins in the Russian-Japanese war,” historian al Djuro Batrichevich. School and high school he attended at Cetinje, the pet of Prince Nikola. High school he went to Dubrovnik, where arrived in Belgrade, where he graduated from Infantry School junior officers and then as adjutant Vasoevichey Brigade, served in Montenegro 3 years. From this time and there is the story of his incredible skills. It was said that he could ride a horse at full gallop, crawl under it at the time of the race, jumping, turning back, his sword slicing through an imaginary opponent. And at fairs, when about all the people he could jump, and the largest horse. One day, as mentioned, he jumped two oxen harnessed to the yoke from Rahl. But in Mount Turia over to give birth, in the crotch and shepherds today show two stone border, which was once jumped Lexo Saichich. Than six meters.
About the ability with which he acted sword, the people were legendary. One says that to tease his brother’s uncle Mila Nizhnevasoevichskoy brigade commander, he threw himself on his sword cane and immediately knocked the gun from his hands. Then move that few of those present could see his sword, he threw his shirt button under the throat. Italian fencing teacher at Cetinje he humiliated in a duel when, after a few blows knocked the gun from his hand and forced him to flee without looking back, as proven weak mentor.
With the intention to improve as a warrior, he went to Istanbul and served three years, lieutenant Turkish guard.From there he went to Russia, where he, in the beginning of February 1904 broke the Russian-Japanese War. A real chance for a warrior, a lieutenant, to the knowledge and skill to be confirmed on the battlefield. He confirmed them so that in the course of a 2-year war in the far east of Russia received three severe wounds in three battles and chest hung a handful of medals and awards. This was not enough, and it is rooted in the folk song thanks to duel with samurai. But where and how an event that was recorded and Russian chroniclers, witnesses non-shiny actions of his army?
The two armies advanced towards each other. And then they stopped by Jung-Joo Ahn, in eastern Manchuria, near Vladivostok. Russian to Japanese, in the second year of the Russian-Japanese War (1904-1905). According to the classical set design, should lead the battle in the middle of the field. Wide, of course. And while the Russian strategists were looking for a better way, which would have led them to victory, after a series of failures, from the opposite camp stood out rider with a white flag. What does he want?
The commander of the Japanese troops, through his messenger with a white flag, and claimed the Russian colleagues to choose one warrior that before the battle will come to duel with their samurai. Russian staff officers were, to put it mildly, stunned. Gray heads with epaulettes could not believe that the Japanese in the early 20th century, stick to their old custom. The Council took a long time, if not send a duelist – a shame, but if they decide to take the Japanese challenge, then send someone to confront their skillful and experienced warrior. They knew that a victory in this duel is a psychological advantage for the coming struggle.
And the decision was made: to find a volunteer who will want and dare to confront the samurai. They found him at once, or should I say, he found them. As soon as the camp came a voice about finding a volunteer who has to protect the honor and glory of Russian weapons and martial arts, commander of the front of the tent, almost running rushed tall and thin lieutenant.
- Aleksandar Saichich of Bera, Montenegro – he saluted sharply. - A subject of Prince Nicholas, now in the service of His Imperial Majesty, I am ready to go to a duel with the hated enemy …
And while the officers looked incredulous 32-year-old volunteer, he stood rooted to the spot in front of them, patiently waiting for further orders. The senior officers for a long time whispering and then decided there was no choice but to give him a chance when he arrogantly asked him, and no one else tried.
Pet of Prince Nikola saluted by the rules and immediately went in search of a horse and a sword, which he would best approached. He quickly found his sword, from the range of horses selected only the third. The fact that the rider on the team could move from left to right, avoiding the attack of the enemy.
unreal to the environment, like our epic songs Saichich left in the middle of the field. Accompanied by the music of a military march. From the opposite camp, says the story, went a warrior dressed in black fur. The fear of God.Lexo said later that he napomnal him some evil Montenegrin eagle. Duel of life and death.
Voices of the troops subsided when duelists moved against each other. Loosen the earth under the hooves of horses. Then, after hitting a groan of steel on steel. Both continue in the saddle. Then again butt. Aimed hero to hero. The poet saw it this way: “One flew to the other / As Eagles hit / And waved their swords / To the Sun poured …” As a chorus of sighs antique troops, on the one and the other.
Then Saichich felt cruel pain and something warm spilled from his forehead into his eyes. Sleeve of his uniform, he had a moment to wipe the blood and saw the unfortunate cut on his head. In a moment, he bent down and swung his sword. Heard a cry against the ear, and then the majestic “long live” in Russian. Terrible whinny made ​​him turn: Samurai horse ran wildly, pulling host to his feet stuck in the spurs. He fell a hundred meters in front of the first row of Japanese troops.
Saichich reached the stationary body, bowed, and went galloping back to his own. His music is met and the command “attention”. Then, as they say, on the Russian army resounded loud applause. Among his first congratulated Russian Navy Admiral Rozhdestvensky, one of the ablest generals, and soon, with a special accompaniment arrived and the Japanese navy admiral Togo and easily bowed to the winner. Chivalry while it was still in the price.
However, this is a psychological advantage achieved victory in the duel, did not help Russian army under Eun-ju-anomie. Historians estimate that battle like no man, and Russian-Japanese war belongs to the military defeat of Russia, legalized in Portsmouth (USA), September 5, 1905.
After winning the duel, Aleksandar Lexo Saichich became a Knight of the Order of St. Anne, the highest Russian award, and the owner of many other differences. In addition, the Russian government has identified him a good amount of gold Napoleons 40 annually for life. In the distant Manchuria, he was promoted to the rank of captain until the end of the war he commanded a squadron of horse-Amur Dragoons. Sabre, which he defeated samurai, now kept at the Military Museum in Moscow.
Soon he ovenchanny deserved fame, returned to Cetinje, where Prince Nikola confirmed his rank of captain.However, most of the time he spent writing poetry and translating from Russian. Until the unfortunate jump from the top floor of the Royal Palace …
In the Russian-Japanese war as volunteers participated, many Montenegrins. Some of them out there and got the rank of general, for example, etc. Ante Gvozdenovic, Jovan Popovic Lipovac, Andrieu Bakic … Such a number of soldiers had long been the foundation of unverified stories that Montenegro then declared war on Japan and that has not signed a truce. Famous Montenegrin historian Novak Razhnatovich, among other things, explains:
“The history of a certain Montenegrin-Japanese war of the century – pure hoax. But despite the fact that the war between Russia and Japan was far from the important interests of Montenegro and of course all the sympathy Montenegrins were Russia’s side. At a certain commitment Montenegrins same faith and fraternal Orthodox Russia, likewise lasted for two centuries, moral, political and material support for Russia Montenegro. example, financial assistance for Montenegro from Russia in the early 20th century was the following: the full weaponry and uniforms of the Montenegrin army, including the costs of two battalions of the regular army, and almost the entire contents of a relatively expensive Montenegrin court, the cost of the Montenegrin Embassy in Istanbul, the content of the two middle schools – teachers Theological Institute and the Maiden, Russian church, the government and the people greatly helped Montenegrin Metropolitan clothing, clothes, books , funds for the construction and repair of churches. Separately, especially in the years of crop failure, Montenegro, Russia gave a considerable amount of grain almost every year … ”
Razhnatovich further emphasizes the following:
“Fallacy, which we are talking about here, made a coincidence that one of the old custom of monarchs. More Czar Alexander III gave the prince Nikola words” the only sincerely friend, “gave him the rank of Honorary Colonel, that is the honorary commander of a Russian regiment near Odessa. When in the early the war against Japan, this regiment went to the front, Prince Nikola, as an honorary commander, sent a telegram calling on God to help the victory of Russian arms, and his regiment to give effect to the heroic struggle for a better future and the glory of Russia. And it’s “participation” in the Montenegrin War. ”
In the Russian-Japanese War and participated Prince Arsen Karadjordjevic (1859-1938), the younger brother of King Peter and the tenth child of Prince Alexander and Princess Persia. As a colonel, he commanded the Cossack cavalry regiment in the army of General Reneklipra. In the famous Battle of Mukden, he showed exceptional bravery and was awarded the highest award of the Russian imperial – a golden sword. On this occasion, he was promoted to the rank of General, Chief of Cavalry Division.

[Stefan_Dusan]

It's funny, my father used to brag to me how my great-grandfather won many duals with a sword. He had many stories, but one which stuck in my mind is how sharp he kept his sword. In the villages, most people did not have ovens/stoves but rather had metal pot that hung from ceiling with 3 metal chains, over ground where they lit fire. According to my father, his sword was so sharp he could cut through all 3 metal chains in one swipe. It's funny because he looks a lot like the MonteNigga just blonder:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3695/10284183994_29e48d938a_o.jpg

This is him on the left, with his brother in WW1. He was in both Balkan wars, and WW1.

[Vukodav]

It's funny, my father used to brag to me how my great-grandfather won many duals with a sword. He had many stories, but one which stuck in my mind is how sharp he kept his sword. In the villages, most people did not have ovens/stoves but rather had metal pot that hung from ceiling with 3 metal chains, over ground where they lit fire. According to my father, his sword was so sharp he could cut through all 3 metal chains in one swipe. It's funny because he looks a lot like the MonteNigga just blonder:

yeah they look similar,Serb Dinarid Facade lol
my direct ancestor by whose nickname we got our surname was also into sword duels. According the family legend he killed his own uncle (ancestor of Vojvoda Petar Bojović) in a sword duel because Bojo wanted to take his land. Some time after that he heard that Ottoman pasha in Gusinje is terrorizing Serbs, he went there challenged him and killed the bastard :) He earned a nickname because of that, I will not say which one because of the privacy, it is my surname after all :)

In any case, those people had giant balls...

[Kamal900]

It's funny, my father used to brag to me how my great-grandfather won many duals with a sword. He had many stories, but one which stuck in my mind is how sharp he kept his sword. In the villages, most people did not have ovens/stoves but rather had metal pot that hung from ceiling with 3 metal chains, over ground where they lit fire. According to my father, his sword was so sharp he could cut through all 3 metal chains in one swipe. It's funny because he looks a lot like the MonteNigga just blonder:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3695/10284183994_29e48d938a_o.jpg

This is him on the left, with his brother in WW1. He was in both Balkan wars, and WW1.

I bet the ottoman turks were scared shitless when they first met you grand-father in action. Is it me or do all great swordsmen have epic mustaches? *sigh* the time when facial hair was cool

[Krampus]

I'm the most Montenegroid Monntenigger here.

[Stefan_Dusan]

yeah they look similar,Serb Dinarid Facade lol
my direct ancestor by whose nickname we got our surname was also into sword duels. According the family legend he killed his own uncle (ancestor of Vojvoda Petar Bojović) in a sword duel because Bojo wanted to take his land. Some time after that he heard that Ottoman pasha in Gusinje is terrorizing Serbs, he went there challenged him and killed the bastard :) He earned a nickname because of that, I will not say which one because of the privacy, it is my surname after all :)

In any case, those people had giant balls...

In my family tradition when a man kills another man, he takes the name "Vukosav" (all wolf) which is very similar to your name on the apricity :-)

One story my father told him about, unrelated to his duals but more to his mindset was he was born to rich landowning family. Namely his grandfather had lots of money. His father was always trying to get him to work but refused and his grandfather encouraged him. When he went to the military in the first Balkan war, his grandfather told him to not to let anyone disrespect him, and if so he could kill them and he would be bought out. So one night he sneaks out to meet lady mistress and when he returns the superior punishes him to clean all the lavatories. Next time during target practice, he makes "accident" and shoots the superior dead. He goes to military jail but never finishes trial. Instead he gets put back to front line, which is why you see him without awards as his brother has.

Another story is during WW1, people kept telling him "Are you crazy, duck" during artillery fire. And he made remark that lives as family saying "Fear is prison, I'm a free man." He didn't survive WW1, nor did his brother. But he had children. His second eldest son (my grandfather) would go on to fight in WW2. And my father would fight in our recent war.

I'm only man on my father's side not to fight to war. And beyond that, no male on my father side makes it to 50 age. They all die before, almost all violent death.

[Krampus]

In my family tradition when a man kills another man, he takes the name "Vukosav" (all wolf) which is very similar to your name on the apricity :-)

One story my father told him about, unrelated to his duals but more to his mindset was he was born to rich landowning family. Namely his grandfather had lots of money. His father was always trying to get him to work but refused and his grandfather encouraged him. When he went to the military in the first Balkan war, his grandfather told him to not to let anyone disrespect him, and if so he could kill them and he would be bought out. So one night he sneaks out to meet lady mistress and when he returns the superior punishes him to clean all the lavatories. Next time during target practice, he makes "accident" and shoots the superior dead. He goes to military jail but never finishes trial. Instead he gets put back to front line, which is why you see him without awards as his brother has.

Another story is during WW1, people kept telling him "Are you crazy, duck" during artillery fire. And he made remark that lives as family saying "Fear is prison, I'm a free man." He didn't survive WW1, nor did his brother. But he had children. His second eldest son (my grandfather) would go on to fight in WW2. And my father would fight in our recent war.

I'm only man on my father's side not to fight to war. And beyond that, no male on my father side makes it to 50 age. They all die before, almost all violent death.

I actually happen to be the first generation on my fathers side to not kill someone too.

[Stefan_Dusan]

I bet the ottoman turks were scared shitless when they first met you grand-father in action. Is it me or do all great swordsmen have epic mustaches? *sigh* the time when facial hair was cool

Another such story, more from Ottoman times was member of our family converted to Islam and took Muslim wife. She came with dowry, in form of expensive porcelain from China which was worth much money. During the wedding, either him or his father (I mix these stories up now) broke into the wedding, rode their horse on the table breaking all the porcelain and ruining the wedding. They did this in complete defiance of Ottoman authorities as if they did not control (then Kosovo). It was said that the man who converted to Islam later took different name and disappeared, but the family blood feuded for while due to such a insult.

But mustache was in style at time, sign of manhood. Notice the brother didn't have much of mustache because he was younger. 17 or 18 in the picture.

[Kamal900]

Another such story, more from Ottoman times was member of our family converted to Islam and took Muslim wife. She came with dowry, in form of expensive porcelain from China which was worth much money. During the wedding, either him or his father (I mix these stories up now) broke into the wedding, rode their horse on the table breaking all the porcelain and ruining the wedding. They did this in complete defiance of Ottoman authorities as if they did not control (then Kosovo). It was said that the man who converted to Islam later took different name and disappeared, but the family blood feuded for while due to such a insult.

But mustache was in style at time, sign of manhood. Notice the brother didn't have much of mustache because he was younger. 17 or 18 in the picture.

I guess that your family take very seriously in cultural integrity of your people?

Yeah, mustaches were pretty cool back then. Too bad that most women today prefer hairless men.

[Vukodav]

In my family tradition when a man kills another man, he takes the name "Vukosav" (all wolf) which is very similar to your name on the apricity :-)

One story my father told him about, unrelated to his duals but more to his mindset was he was born to rich landowning family. Namely his grandfather had lots of money. His father was always trying to get him to work but refused and his grandfather encouraged him. When he went to the military in the first Balkan war, his grandfather told him to not to let anyone disrespect him, and if so he could kill them and he would be bought out. So one night he sneaks out to meet lady mistress and when he returns the superior punishes him to clean all the lavatories. Next time during target practice, he makes "accident" and shoots the superior dead. He goes to military jail but never finishes trial. Instead he gets put back to front line, which is why you see him without awards as his brother has.

Another story is during WW1, people kept telling him "Are you crazy, duck" during artillery fire. And he made remark that lives as family saying "Fear is prison, I'm a free man." He didn't survive WW1, nor did his brother. But he had children. His second eldest son (my grandfather) would go on to fight in WW2. And my father would fight in our recent war.

I'm only man on my father's side not to fight to war. And beyond that, no male on my father side makes it to 50 age. They all die before, almost all violent death.
your great-grandfather was man of self respect, that is highly valued in our region. i think that is the reason there are no "bullying victims" or similar bs in our schools. Kids are raised to be tough.
btw, I think we talked once regarding the fact that we are all first generation which did not fight in any war yet... I really doubt that will be truth in next decades. Balkan is built on wars, they are single constant thing in this part of the world.

[Vukodav]

Another such story, more from Ottoman times was member of our family converted to Islam and took Muslim wife. She came with dowry, in form of expensive porcelain from China which was worth much money. During the wedding, either him or his father (I mix these stories up now) broke into the wedding, rode their horse on the table breaking all the porcelain and ruining the wedding. They did this in complete defiance of Ottoman authorities as if they did not control (then Kosovo). It was said that the man who converted to Islam later took different name and disappeared, but the family blood feuded for while due to such a insult.

But mustache was in style at time, sign of manhood. Notice the brother didn't have much of mustache because he was younger. 17 or 18 in the picture.

yet again, I have similar story in my family :). I young man from my brotherhood was working for some Ottoman aga in Pazar to earn a sack of corn so that his family can survive the winter. but he fell in love with aga's daughter. He was strong, handsome and blonde so the aga agreed that he can take his daughter as wife only if he converts to Islam. he agreed and after that aga sent invitation to a wedding and bunch of food, gold and jewelry to the boy's family.
His father sent all that back, rode to Pazar and killed a boy. there is a guslar song, I will send you the lyrics when I find the paper :)

[Stefan_Dusan]

I guess that your family take very seriously in cultural integrity of your people?

Yeah, mustaches were pretty cool back then. Too bad that most women today prefer hairless men.

Women prefer all sorts of things, some (probably most) clean shaven, but some like full beards. The best thing to do is not to pay attention to women, in reality they're not very picky anyway.

Because so much of my family died for Serbs, for being Serbian, we greatly value our culture and our identity. I try to help Serbs however I can which these days is mostly donating once a month. There is more that can be done though.

[epirot]

If he had any Albanian in him, he'd have probably given up his arms and converted to Shinto. :D

lol!!

[Lurker]

I think there's just one error in the text. There were no samurai in 1905. Samurai were outlawed as a class in 1868. They still rebelled afterwards (like in Satsuma), but by 1905 the Japanese army had adopted western tactics. They still used the katana instead of the sabre, but that was it. Most of the great Japanese swordsmen probably died of hunger after the abolition of the samurai class (most samurai became very poor after the government stopped paying their stipends in gold). I've noticed the article doesn't mention the name of the Japanese warrior that was beheaded. Who was him, what was his rank, etc? He also must have had an interesting life until that time.

[Vukodav]

I think there's just one error in the text. There were no samurai in 1905. Samurai were outlawed as a class in 1868. They still rebelled afterwards (like in Satsuma), but by 1905 the Japanese army had adopted western tactics. They still used the katana instead of the sabre, but that was it. Most of the great Japanese swordsmen probably died of hunger after the abolition of the samurai class (most samurai became very poor after the government stopped paying their stipends in gold). I've noticed the article doesn't mention the name of the Japanese warrior that was beheaded. Who was him, what was his rank, etc? He also must have had an interesting life until that time.
all Russian sources that I found mention that it was a samurai. even though they were outlawed before that period, there is a high possibility that some of them were still active in army, not as a class but as individual soldiers or officers with same fighting style as samurai. anyway, if he was not a samurai he was certainly best Japanese swordsman :) His name is unknown. I never learned Japanese, so I can't look up for Japanese sources...

In any case, Montenegrin folk song dedicated To Aleksandar Lekso Saičić
"Лексо бјеше по природи сила,
Па га лако школа научила.
Војну школу он је научио,
С мачевањем он је први био.
Бог га за то бјеше обдарио,
Цар Николи доста мио био.
У хиљаду и деветсто пете,
Кад се Јапан са Русијом срете,
Лексо ступи као добровољац,
као сваки стари Црногорац.
Руској флоти заповједник бјеше,
На Пацифик борбу започеше.
Но, пре борбе што је отпочела,
Русима је књига долетјела.
Од јапанског адмирала Тога,
Који пише ал’ не моли бога.
Са књигом се мегданџија тражи,
Па ти одмах свој армији кажи.
Роженственко књигу објављује,
На књигу се јунак осмјехује.
Па он чека ко ће да се јави,
И да види ко је јунак прави.
Он мислио да се Козак јави,
Адмирал се пуно изненади.
Он пред собом види српског змаја,
Од Берана јуначкога краја,
Храброг Лекса, коме нема равна."

[Lurker]

Still about outdated weapons in 20th century wars, is it true that in the Yugoslav Wars in 1991 there were militias that used crossbows to fight each other? I heard this happened because crossbows aren't considered illegal weapons to trade and they could bypass the blockade on arms dealing that humanitarian agencies created around Yugoslavia. It seemed so weird when I read that, people fighting with crossbows in 1991. And usually arms dealer are experts in smuggling guns wherever they're needed.

[Vukodav]

Still about outdated weapons in 20th century wars, is it true that in the Yugoslav Wars in 1991 there were militias that used crossbows to fight each other? I heard this happened because crossbows aren't considered illegal weapons to trade and they could bypass the blockade on arms dealing that humanitarian agencies created around Yugoslavia. It seemed so weird when I read that, people fighting with crossbows in 1991. And usually arms dealer are experts in smuggling guns wherever they're needed.
lol, soldiers did not used crossbows. but I know for sure that one of my cousins made a professional modern crossbow with a laser and optics for one officer who used it for fun (not shooting on people). It was probably a way for higher ranked officers to pass some time while resting.

[Sorab]

If he had any Albanian in him, he'd have probably given up his arms and converted to Shinto. :D
Ovo me je zapravo podsetilo (iako je kontekst drugačiji ) na jedan od ključnih dogadjaja zaslužnih za osnivanje Japanske pravoslavne Crkve i širenje Pravoslavlja u toj zemlji .

Radjanje Crkve

Posle sedam godina ucenja, sveti Nikolaj oseti da je spreman da zapocne preobracivanje Japanaca. Stao je da oprezno propoveda Evandjelje ljudima oko sebe. Desilo se da mu je najgorljiviji katihumen dosao sa macem u ruci i ubilackim mislima na umu. Takuma Savabe, samurajski sintoisticki svestenik i odani rodoljub, upade jedne noci kod oca Nikolaja i rece mu da svi stranci moraju da umru zato sto sire lazi i uhode po Japanu, te da ce on sam svrsiti sa Nikolajem ako ne prestane svoje propovedanje. Savabe je od Nikolaja zahtevao ili da smesta napusti Japan ili da umre. On ga je saslusao i zatim zapitao zasto osudjuje na smrt, a da nije prvo cuo o cemu se radi; Nikolaj je pristao da odmah umre, ako Savabe cuje njegovo ucenje i ono mu se bude ucinilo odvratnim. Savabe se iz uobicajene japanske uctivosti slozio da pre nego sto Nikolaja ubije prvo cuje sta on ima da kaze.

Sveti Nikolaj poce Savabeu da propoveda Evandjelje. Pricao mu je o Bogu, grehu, dusi i njenoj besmrtnosti, Hristovom dolasku. Savabe je pazljivo slusao, potom izvadio hartiju i stao da pravi pribeleske. Otada je stalno dolazio kod oca Nikolaja, nije vise mogao bez njegovih medotocivih pouka, i toliko se ispunio ljubavlju prema novostecenoj veri da je bio krsten i primio ime Pavle. Uskoro je Savabe poceo da svojim prijateljima prica o Pravoslavlju, posebno Sakaiju i Uranu. Oni su se takodje preobratili na Pravoslavlje i aprila 1868. primili krstenje i imena Jovan i Jakov. Tako u jednoj noci bese postavljen kamen temeljac za izgradnju Pravoslavlja u Japanu.
http://www.manastir-lepavina.htnet.hr/prosvetiteljjapana.html

[RenaRyuguu]

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[Decius]

Montenegrin warrior defeated Samurai in a sword duel.

http://borilacki-klub.com/wp-content/uploads/aleksandar_lekso_saicic.jpg

http://borilacki-klub.com/wp-content/uploads/15gl0.jpg


text in Serbian http://borilacki-klub.com/borilacka-prica/crnogorski-ratnik-u-dvoboju-macevima-pobedio-samuraja/

Badass. Fuck chinks. Montenegrin Serb Pride!