[SPLIT] more OT from Brainstorming thread

[Kadu]

Hello yes i know that White is a term for colonials but people understand what it means in Europe. :icon_yes: You know, for alien people Europe is the continent of the White people. I tell you there are black people in Germany who call themselfes Afro-Germans!! :eek: It is a big joke.

Or a Latvian-German, right? Oh yes you're 25% German, then lets use another example, say that a mulatto is 25% more German than you, right? Following your logic of course.

[Bari]

Or a Latvian-German, right? Oh yes you're 25% German, then lets use another example, say that a mulatto is 25% more German than you, right? Following your logic of course.

-Racially there is not much of a difference between Germans and Latvians compared to a German and a African, i think we all can agree upon that. Which makes it incomparable and you know it.

[Kadu]

Racially there is not much of a difference between Germans and Latvians compared to a German and a African, i think we all can agree upon that. Which makes it incomparable and you know it.

So does a blonde North African or Turk.

Let me correct your post


Culturally there is not much difference between Germans and Latvians as they are both European peoples compared to a German and a African, i think we all can agree upon that. Which makes it incomparable and you know it.

[Bari]

Individual cases with fair pigmentation outside Europe doesn't prove much. Since when did "Turk" become a race? One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know that there are many people of Balkanian and Caucasus ancestry in Turkey. Are Australian aboriginals(no not the Australians descending from Europe:rolleyes:) European because they have some blond individuals?

Ofcourse there are more of a difference between a German and a African culturally than with a German and Latvian. For fucks sake, i thought this was not something i had to remind people about.



Let me correct your post

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6531/stfuq.jpg

[Kadu]

Individual cases with fair pigmentation outside Europe doesn't prove much. Since when did "Turk" become a race?One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know that there are many people of Balkanian and Caucasus ancestry in Turkey. Are Australian aboriginals(no not the Australians descending from Europe:rolleyes:) European because they have some blond individuals?

I said a blonde Turk the same way i could have a said a blonde Spaniard or a blonde Frenchman.

By a blonde Turk i meant this

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/fotosdekivantatlitug.jpg

Not really this, which is caused by malnourishment.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/aborigines.jpg


Ofcourse there are more of a difference between a German and a African culturally than with a German and Latvian. For fucks sake, i thought this was not something i had to remind people about.

I thought the same until i stepped onto your post.



http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6531/stfuq.jpg

LOL, sure Mr. internet warrior.

[Inese]

Or a Latvian-German, right? Oh yes you're 25% German, then lets use another example, say that a mulatto is 25% more German than you, right? Following your logic of course.
I am Latvian-German but i am 100% European. But that does not count for mulatto people ---- they are mixed people with large and dominant parts of Non-European ancestry okay? Following my logic and common sense!! And i dont consider me as German: i dont use wrong feathers like other people :rolleyes:

[Kadu]

I am Latvian-German but i am 100% European.

And yet you were ranting against some Balkanic folks here, saying that they shouldn't be in Germany or Latvia.
You're an hypocrite enough said.

[Treffie]

I am Latvian-German but i am 100% European. But that does not count for mulatto people ---- they are mixed people with large and dominant parts of Non-European ancestry okay? Following my logic and common sense!! And i dont consider me as German: i dont use wrong feathers like other people :rolleyes:

http://lollinks.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/o-rly__ruserious.jpg

[Fred]

http://lollinks.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/o-rly__ruserious.jpg
http://exe.leet.googlepages.com/frorly.jpg/frorly-full.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

I am Latvian-German but i am 100% European. But that does not count for mulatto people ---- they are mixed people with large and dominant parts of Non-European ancestry okay? Following my logic and common sense!! And i dont consider me as German: i dont use wrong feathers like other people :rolleyes:
Still I believe that you should think about it. Why not go back to Latvia ? Latvia needs her Latvians before they become a minority in their own country. :)

Think about it:

What do you like better anyways?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Stahlwerk_Duisburg_Bruckhausen_bei_Nacht.jpg

Bloody Germany (Ruhr Area) ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Sabile_abava_2006_06.jpg

Or the peace and quiet of the Latvian countryside ?


I know what I would pick. ;)

[SwordoftheVistula]

And yet you were ranting against some Balkanic folks here, saying that they shouldn't be in Germany or Latvia.
You're an hypocrite enough said.

All ethnicities are not equidistant from eachother. A Swede for example would fit into Norway much better than someone from the Congo, or even someone from Italy, so it would be absurd to classify them as all equally 'foreign' to Norway.

So for a Latvian to go to Germany is not a problem, or vice versa, since all areas along the Baltic sea are pretty similar genetically, also culturally, especially since Germany for a time ruled Latvia, the Hanseatic League, Lutheran, etc.

The Balkans are an entirely different story, nothing in common with northern Europe other than being 'white'. Differences in genetics, culture, religion, etc.

[Poltergeist]

6. Is it possible at all to rely on new members signing up, saying they are "white", or should we insist on DNA sampling for proof?

"Whiteness" is hardly related to any kind of DNA testing.

[Falkata]

Being blonde doesn´t mean you have common genetics. Latvia is not close genetically talking with Scandinavia or Germany.

[Jamt]

Being blonde doesn´t mean you have common genetics. Latvia is not close genetically talking with Scandinavia or Germany.

Quite close they/we are.

[Beorn]

Quite close they are.


http://destroyerbeat.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/236915448_7a5946922e.jpg

[Ankoù]

French is a Romance language, Laurentian is a French speaker, hence she's Romance, period.

No one considers Africa as partially Romance and Germanic even if lot of people speak French, Spanish, Portuguese or English.


No, but it makes you Japonic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japonic_languages)

I think a japanese would laugh after reading this.

[Loki]

No one considers Africa as partially Romance and Germanic even if lot of people speak French, Spanish, Portuguese or English.


All of this is still off-topic to the discussion. We are not trying to determine who is white, in order to allow them to post on Apricity.

[Inese]

And yet you were ranting against some Balkanic folks here, saying that they shouldn't be in Germany or Latvia.
You're an hypocrite enough said.
The North European people are Baltics, Germanics Finnics and Celts! And yes all people of the group are different to all South European people with mentality and traits. Have Baltics problems with Germanics?? No! Have Germanics problems with Baltics? No! Have Celtics problems with Baltics?? No.
But we have all problems with some immigrants from the Balkan, you know?? :rolleyes: No i dont say all Balkan people are dangerous or bad but they have a other culture and mentality in general okay?

I tell you that Germanic people are west of us, only a little bit over the Baltic sea ---- Sweden. Finnic people are North of us. And Balkanoid people?? Hundred over hundred kilometers away! Their culture is different and they dont fit in our countrys. And we dont fit in their countrys!
And i had no choice to come to Germany or do you think i should leave my family with 14 and stay at home and my parents move to Germany? :coffee: Please you cant be serious!!

Still I believe that you should think about it. Why not go back to Latvia ? Latvia needs her Latvians before they become a minority in their own country. :)
Hm not every part of Germany looks like Ruhrgebiet!! :cool: But yes i want to return later but not now. You know, i need my family around me and i want to get a education degree before i return. You can understand it?? The main reason to leave Latvia was that my parents wanted that her daughter can grow up without the problems and experiences i had before and i am total thankful for it! And our extended German family of my grandfather helped us to find a residence. :icon_yes:My mum and my dad are working and dont abuse the German taxpayers like many stupid immigrants from the South or from Islam countrys. We are not seen as typical immigrants in Germany ---- only our Latvian accent shows that we are foreign :rolleyes:

[Osweo]

The North European people are Baltics, Germanics Finnics and Celts!
Aye. See the map:
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3685/yevropa00inese.jpg
:swl

[Inese]

Aye. See the map:
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3685/yevropa00inese.jpg
:swl
Latvia is not in the sea of ignorance but many russian parts --- good map lol!! :nicetongue

[kwp_wp]

Latvia is not in the sea of ignorance but many russian parts --- good map lol!! :nicetongue

hehe....very good map Osweo:thumb001:
Actually Latvia among other Baltic countries is on the island. The problem is what happend with other sunken countries and their people? have they been deported to South??

[Osweo]

hehe....very good map Osweo:thumb001:
Actually Latvia among other Baltic countries is on the island. The problem is what happend with other sunken countries and their people? have they been deported to South??

Hehe, you must be referring to the silly old disproven legends of the lost lands of Slavlantis! :rolleyes2: I don't believe such fantasies, but did hear that fishing boats in the region occasionally dredge up rude primitive tools in their nets. Very curious. Perhaps there is some truth to the theory that these legends draw on an ancient memory of semi-human broadfaced ape things that lived there. I heard that there's even a linguistic theory that nonBaltic substrata in Latvian might be from this source, such as words like 'solyanka', 'gopniki' and 'metrovagonmash'... Who knows! :shrug:

[Falkata]

Quite close they/we are.

Any data? :confused:

According with Y-DNA, if we check the N1c (uralo-finnic, call it what you want i dont wanna a discussion about it) , Latvia has 38%, Sweden 7% and Germany 1%. Checking the R1b frequencies, Germany has 44,5%, Sweden 21% and Latvia 12%. I can continue, but i think it´s enough to see that they are not close at all. Latvia is closer to Russia than Germany or Scandinavia.

[Falkata]

The North European people are Baltics, Germanics Finnics and Celts! And yes all people of the group are different to all South European people with mentality and traits. Have Baltics problems with Germanics?? No! Have Germanics problems with Baltics? No! Have Celtics problems with Baltics?? No.


Again, an irish is closer genetically to a french or an iberian than to a latvian or russian. Being fair or dark doesn´t mean you come from the same people. Greeks and iberians for example are not always easy to distinguish but if we make a DNA then is evident.
Ah, i dont see that problems that we have with "celtics" , germanics or baltics?¿

[Comte Arnau]

The North European people are Baltics, Germanics Finnics and Celts!


Oh Celts, yep.

But what about Northern Slavics? Are they Southern?

Do you manage to skip swarthy Poland to go from Germanic Germany to Baltic Latvia?

[Comte Arnau]

Again, an irish is closer genetically to a french or an iberian than to a latvian or russian.

You don't understand Inese. Celts are Northern. Before the coming of the Romans, Iberia was Northern.

Well, half-Northern. Only in its western part.

[Kadu]

No one considers Africa as partially Romance and Germanic even if lot of people speak French, Spanish, Portuguese or English.

I'm afraid that's what it means, you know, Romance languages, Germanic languages, Slavic Languages, etc...




I think a japanese would laugh after reading this.

So a Frenchman would laugh if i said that Senegal(could give other examples) is partiallly Francophone?



I tell you that Germanic people are west of us, only a little bit over the Baltic sea ---- Sweden. Finnic people are North of us. And Balkanoid people?? Hundred over hundred kilometers away!


Is this a joke? What does a Bavarian a WestPhalian or even a Pole from Wroclaw(Breslau) has more in common with you than with a Croatian or a Serbian?

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/Balkans-political-map-small.png



especially since Germany for a time ruled Latvia, the Hanseatic League, Lutheran, etc.


That's the only valid point really since there were some ethnic Germans in Latvia and in other Baltic countries during the times of the United Baltic Duchy.
As for Religion, Latvia and neither Germany are pred. Lutheran, they have different Languages which don't even belong to the same family, they have different geographical contexts and have different ethnogenesis. It's not like we are talking about Silesian Germans or something.

[Osweo]

Kadu - Baltologist... :rolleyes2:

[Kadu]

Kadu - Baltologist... :rolleyes2:

No i'm not, but if you want to learn a bit...

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10219

[Phlegethon]

Bloody Germany (Ruhr Area) ?

Looks like the Rhine to me.

[The Lawspeaker]

Looks like the Rhine to me.
Ah - we usually use "Roergebied" to denote that industrial zone between Moers, Wuppertal and Dortmund.

[Lulletje Rozewater]

Pa and Ma

http://i47.tinypic.com/264nqyp.jpg

off spring
http://i50.tinypic.com/eukk86.jpg
and
http://i47.tinypic.com/2rpxshl.jpg
and
http://i49.tinypic.com/35ku5mr.jpg
genetically modified


Grand child
http://i49.tinypic.com/25f7jq1.jpg

[Fred]

Latvia is nothing. Prussia is everything. ;)


Pa and Ma

http://i47.tinypic.com/264nqyp.jpg

off spring
http://i50.tinypic.com/eukk86.jpg
and
http://i47.tinypic.com/2rpxshl.jpg
and
http://i49.tinypic.com/35ku5mr.jpg
genetically modified


Grand child
http://i49.tinypic.com/25f7jq1.jpgtUwnOsTm96A

[Jamt]

Any data? :confused:

According with Y-DNA, if we check the N1c (uralo-finnic, call it what you want i dont wanna a discussion about it) , Latvia has 38%, Sweden 7% and Germany 1%. Checking the R1b frequencies, Germany has 44,5%, Sweden 21% and Latvia 12%. I can continue, but i think it´s enough to see that they are not close at all. Latvia is closer to Russia than Germany or Scandinavia.

That an Latvian and a Swede look alike but still differ in certain DNA segments must be because other DNA segments matters more I guess. The reason that an Latvian, Dutch, Englishman or maybe a German would not be perceived as very different in Scandinavia or vise versa is that we look about the same and we act in a similar way. The way we would cold talk at coffee brake at or the way we would react to something unexpected would not differ much. The character “thing” might be cultural or a climate thing or maybe a racial thing or something else but it manifest in people being more reserved, individualistic and maybe for an outsider a bit boring. Not that Southern or Eastern Europeans are totally strangers in the North and vise versa.

[Falkata]

That an Latvian and a Swede look alike but still differ in certain DNA segments must be because other DNA segments matters more I guess. The reason that an Latvian, Dutch, Englishman or maybe a German would not be perceived as very different in Scandinavia or vise versa is that we look about the same and we act in a similar way. The way we would cold talk at coffee brake at or the way we would react to something unexpected would not differ much. The character “thing” might be cultural or a climate thing or maybe a racial thing or something else but it manifest in people being more reserved, individualistic and maybe for an outsider a bit boring. Not that Southern or Eastern Europeans are totally strangers in the North and vise versa.

The thing that they look alike (this is very relative btw, an englishman and a latvian are usually easy to distinguish) doesnt mean they are close genetically. Some negroid groups are not very different in look compared with australoids,there are latin american mestizos who can pass as magrebians.. but genetically they are completely different. They dont come from the same people.
And about being indvidualistic, latin countries are much more individualistic than northern ones. If we had to pay the taxes here that you pay there, there would be a revolution or something

[Jamt]

Swedes basically pay taxes to be left alone. Individualists to the bone.

[Falkata]

Swedes basically pay taxes to be left alone. Individualists to the bone.

I dont know if i´m right, but i think you pay taxes for the TV, the radio in the car and stuff like that . And i think in other countries like Germany is the same. If some politician tried to do that in Spain or Italy ... damn! a new civil war coming soon :eek:

[Anthropos]

I dont know if i´m right, but i think you pay taxes for the TV, the radio in the car and stuff like that . And i think in other countries like Germany is the same. If some politician tried to do that in Spain or Italy ... damn! a new civil war coming soon :eek:

I find Southern people to be much more intelligent and reasonable this way. Swedes actually do not even think about what the hell they are paying for with all the bills, and if you tell them the truth, that the government forces you to buy its crap, like the state propaganda on TV for example, most will say (or think) that you are a lunatic, because as most people see it, this is a service, and it's a duty to pay for it. It's a sick mentality. Southerners complain about their governments, because at least they know something about it. Northerners aren't anywhere near aware of what the government is about. They're just busy kissing it somewhere.

[SwordoftheVistula]

I wonder why there is that difference between Sweden/Germany and the Anglo countries? The Anglo countries sound like what Falkata described. Celtic influence in the Anglo countries maybe?

[Osweo]

I wonder why there is that difference between Sweden/Germany and the Anglo countries? The Anglo countries sound like what Falkata described. Celtic influence in the Anglo countries maybe?
Nah, Uralic in the Easterlings... ;) They'd do well with their Asiatic friends in Red China! :p


Actually though, you overestimate your English kin. Most of us are pathetic doormats who accept whatever the Government throws at us. :(

[SwordoftheVistula]

But what about Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, USA, and Canada?