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MarcvSS
11-27-2009, 09:25 PM
Tattoos...
Some of us love 'm, some of us don't...

And some of us love 'm specially on chicks...

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/l_5cb81bf2f2a6570e5318f51f03843f0d.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/tattoos1.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/image-3608186.jpg

Björn
11-27-2009, 09:29 PM
I like tattoos, but my parents dont allow me to get one. And I respect my parents so I won't, as childish as it sounds...

but back on topic

girls+tattoos=awesome :)

Svipdag
11-27-2009, 09:33 PM
Hey, girls, haven't you ever heard of "gilding the lily" ?

MarcvSS
11-27-2009, 09:37 PM
Hey, girls, haven't you ever heard of "gilding the lily" ?
Haven't you ever heard about posting on topic?

Monolith
11-27-2009, 09:37 PM
Tattoos on girls are slutty IMO, especially larger ones.

Lars
11-27-2009, 09:39 PM
Those find those three examples absolutely distasteful. Sometimes I like subtle tattoo(s) on woman but I prefer the absence of them.

MarcvSS
11-27-2009, 09:44 PM
Those find those three examples absolutely distasteful. Sometimes I like subtle tattoo(s) on woman but I prefer the absence of them.
Sorry about that... Blaim google.

Type in tattoos on chicks or woman and this is the lather you get...

Lars
11-27-2009, 09:47 PM
Well, the word 'chick' is not used to described fine and honorable woman. :) But I've never liked fire red hair, tight leather/latex clothes or other attention seeking methods. I like a more conservative appearance or a nice casual one.

Edit: We can't judge art, beauty, virtues etc. and tell others what is good and what is not. But I find these examples more to my liking.
http://home.comcast.net/~djsund/images/ankletat.jpg
http://femininetattoos.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/flower-and-angel-tattoo-design.jpg
http://lower-back-tattoos.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/sexy-lower-back-tattoo1.jpg

MarcvSS
11-27-2009, 09:51 PM
Well, the word 'chick' are mot used to described fine and honorable woman. :)

Do they need to be?

Not from were I'm sitting...

And btw mister Lars. Do you share the same sentiment about the beautifull Eropean woman thread?
Were woman are also displayed?

Forgive me for not taking an interest in "barbie dolls". I like my women a bit spunkier...

Electronic God-Man
11-27-2009, 10:13 PM
http://lower-back-tattoos.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/sexy-lower-back-tattoo1.jpg

That is what we call a "Tramp Stamp". ;)

Germanicus
11-27-2009, 10:19 PM
Isobel Farley..........when is enough enough?

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n449/ruffusruffcut/isobel_farley_the_most_tattooed_wom.jpg

Frigga
11-27-2009, 10:34 PM
I'm a chick, and I like tattoos! :D I still have yet to get one though. I've been debating getting the Futhark as anklets with every rune in its power color, which would be really cool looking in my opinion. But I'm not too fond of the idea of getting sleeves, or completely covering the body, male or female.

Eldritch
11-27-2009, 10:35 PM
How odd that she hasn't had any done on her hands or her neck.

Sol Invictus
11-27-2009, 10:40 PM
Mmmm I love the pictures.. Minus the old chick.

http://i48.tinypic.com/n33fgw.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/2vcxp2d.jpg

MarcvSS
11-27-2009, 10:40 PM
I'm a chick, and I like tattoos! :D I still have yet to get one though. I've been debating getting the Futhark as anklets with every rune in its power color, which would be really cool looking in my opinion. But I'm not too fond of the idea of getting sleeves, or completely covering the body, male or female.You keep making it better... Beer, meat and tatts...


How odd that she hasn't had any done on her hands or her neck.Why do you think so?

MarcvSS
11-27-2009, 10:41 PM
Nice pics VA...

Germanicus
11-27-2009, 10:46 PM
Awesome tats.

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n449/ruffusruffcut/Tattoo-1.jpg

Sol Invictus
11-27-2009, 10:48 PM
Damnit Germanicus you're ruining this for me..

http://i46.tinypic.com/9jltt2.jpg

Eldritch
11-27-2009, 10:50 PM
Why do you think so?

Well, she obviously loves tattoos. However I found this on her website:


I had always maintained a vee shape below the neck so that my tattoos were not visible when wearing normal clothes, as whilst working this was important.

EDIT:

I see in the second pic that she does have some pieces on her hands now. Maybe she's retired?

Germanicus
11-27-2009, 10:53 PM
Here is a chick tattoo.

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n449/ruffusruffcut/tattoos20women.gif

MarcvSS
11-27-2009, 10:58 PM
I see in the second pic that she does have some pieces on her hands now. Maybe she's retired?Well I believe shes now over 60 so that probably a good guess...

Sol Invictus
11-27-2009, 11:03 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/2zr1ehe.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/xe4e20.jpg

Mesrine
11-27-2009, 11:08 PM
Tattoos are barbarian, a genuine degradation of the body. On men, it's low class, on women, it's absolutely awful.

Sol Invictus
11-27-2009, 11:14 PM
I can't control myself.

http://i48.tinypic.com/vq2jyf.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/zo6ouq.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/143dogi.jpg

Wulfhere
11-27-2009, 11:16 PM
I know it's very trendy amongst women there days, but it's still really ugly.

Germanicus
11-27-2009, 11:21 PM
Jap tats are better...:)

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n449/ruffusruffcut/mistress.jpg

Trog
11-27-2009, 11:22 PM
I agree with the above view, though I find them acceptable on men, provided they're not overdone. But on women, there's something very proletariat about it. Ranks alongside tongue, nose and eyebrow piercings, loads of cheap gold chains, 'Hen' nights, Anne Summer parties and general chavette behaviours.

http://www.nsma.org.au/pics2007/chavgurl.jpg

Germanicus
11-27-2009, 11:25 PM
another Japanese tat....beautiful work?

The world is not ready for japanese nude tattoo art.....edited by order..:)

Eldritch
11-27-2009, 11:29 PM
another Japanese tat....beautiful work?

...

Please take this picture down, Germanicus.

Trog
11-27-2009, 11:32 PM
Surely a waste?

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/623/be8dscd.jpg

Besides, I'm sure it is a very unEuropean thing for women to do. Women in India etc do it and Pictish men did it, but I don't think the women did.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2041/2054739441_8ee29b5896.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_joSH_oKOwJQ/St6wgGgzD-I/AAAAAAAACKw/JD4drttmbMs/s400/body-henna.jpg

Eldritch
11-27-2009, 11:40 PM
The world is not ready for japanese nude tattoo art.....edited by order..:)

Don't know about the world, but I'm quite ready for nude Japanese tattoo art -- but not here. Remember that we have minors, and parents of minors, as members.

Next time post a link to an image gallery, with a description of what's behind the link.

Rusalka
11-27-2009, 11:49 PM
When I was a callow youth I always repeated to myself that I would get a tattoo, but the whole sentiment faded as I grew older. My best girl friend got her own initials tattoed on her ankle. I carry an ID card for that.

It's not tattoos that I find ugly, just the unimaginative designs that are now in fasion. Sit through a painful tatooing session to get a row of stars?

MarcvSS
11-27-2009, 11:53 PM
It's not tattoos that I find ugly, just the unimaginative designs that are now in fasion. Sit through a painful tatooing session to get a row of stars?This is truly the most non-argumentitive post I ever read...

Ever considered the fact that most tattooist can design you an unique piece?

Rusalka
11-27-2009, 11:59 PM
This is truly the most non-argumentitive post I ever read...

Ever considered the fact that most tattooist can design you an unique piece?

What's that got to do with the fact that I find the very much fashionable star design unimaginative?

Beorn
11-28-2009, 12:00 AM
Well, the word 'chick' is not used to described fine and honorable woman. :)

I suggest you never bring your partner to Britain. She will leave this island in tears and shame after the onslaught of being called Duck, Hen, Chick, Cock, etc...

The word 'chick' is a word of endearment. Only the most "honourable" of women get to be called it.


Tattoos are barbarian, a genuine degradation of the body. On men, it's low class, on women, it's absolutely awful.

You're just posh. It's all that degenerate Romantic blood in you. :swl


Besides, I'm sure it is a very unEuropean thing for women to do...(Picts) but I don't think the women did.

:confused: Are you calling our ancestors "unEuropean"? The women were just as heavily adorned with body art than the menfolk.

It was written by Isadore of Seville that: "The race of the Picts are so named from their bodies, because a craftsmen works on them with the point of a needle and the juice of a native wild grass, so that the scars are left as marks. Even those of noble birth are disfigured by painted limbs. Both sexes may display the custom, so that it is a mark of rank to cut off excess hair: among women especially."


http://www.arikiart.com/Images/Coutts/300/tribal-tattoos-pict-family.jpg
http://www.arikiart.com/Images/Coutts/300/tattoo-designs-pict-warriors.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/337/pictishwomanprint.jpg

MarcvSS
11-28-2009, 12:48 AM
What's that got to do with the fact that I find the very much fashionable star design unimaginative?You did not just talk about a (as in one) star design...

You stated
It's not tattoos that I find ugly, just the unimaginative designs that are now in fasion right?

Designs is more than one.

Mesrine
11-28-2009, 12:51 AM
You're just posh. It's all that degenerate Romantic blood in you. :swl

Nah, you're just low class. BTW, the last thing I am is "romantic". But perhaps you meant Romance? :D

Sol Invictus
11-28-2009, 01:31 AM
http://www.zimbio.com/Audrina+Patridge+Hair/articles/33/Audrina+Patridge+Sexy+Actress

Audrina Partridge has a nice a - I mean tattoo.

http://i46.tinypic.com/293ejd3.jpg

anonymaus
11-28-2009, 01:40 AM
Tattoos...
Some of us love 'm, some of us don't...

And some of us love 'm specially on chicks...

The thing about hot chicks with great tattoos is that people age, the tatt doesn't look great forever; treat them like a flower: pick it and enjoy it before it rots.

Maybe it isn't for everyone to enjoy, or for every woman to get, but some women just look great with tats. Better than they did without. :thumb001:

Osweo
11-28-2009, 01:48 AM
Sorry, but I don't see the attraction whatsoever. :shrug:

I'd bite my tongue and let you all carry on talking about your own tastes, but it just seems to be getting far too common these days. I doubt my post here will change any girl's mind, but those considering getting tattooed should at least be aware that there are men out there who find them incredibly off-putting if not downright repulsive. :(

I don't mean to come ruin a thread, but it's something I hate to see becoming almost obligatory for young women.

Svipdag
11-28-2009, 01:57 AM
Plaegh, just what the HELL is off-topic about my comment ? Anyone with a modicum of intelligence should be able to ascertain that I was saying that
the natural beauty of a woman's skin cannot be improved, only disfigured by tattoos.

Rusalka
11-28-2009, 02:05 AM
Designs is more than one.

Yes, and since they are not really that nice I don't understand why girls go for such choices. Why the tatooist's designing abilities entered the subject, I don't know.

This off-topic is over, anyway.

Lars
11-28-2009, 02:08 AM
Nah, you're just low class. BTW, the last thing I am is "romantic". But perhaps you meant Romance? :D

I guess you are low class/caste too.

Osweo
11-28-2009, 02:10 AM
Hey, girls, haven't you ever heard of "gilding the lily" ?

To be honest, I didn't get your reference myself, so here's the explanation if anyone else is wondering:


Gild the lily
Meaning

To apply unnecessary ornament - to over embellish.

Origin

From Shakespeare's King John, 1595:

SALISBURY:
Therefore, to be possess'd with double pomp,
To guard a title that was rich before,
To gild refined gold, to paint the lily,
To throw a perfume on the violet,
To smooth the ice, or add another hue
Unto the rainbow, or with taper-light
To seek the beauteous eye of heaven to garnish,
Is wasteful and ridiculous excess.

The context of that speech in the play is King John's satisfaction with his second coronation - "Here once again we sit, once again crown'd". His courtiers aren't so sure, calling the crowning 'superfluous'. The use of Shakespeare's text to denote unnecessary ornamentation is fairly straightforward. After all, 'to gild' is to cover with a thin layer of gold, so 'gilding refined gold' is obviously unnecessary. Unfortunately, remembering text from Shakespeare isn't everyone's forte and the quotation has become rather garbled. As the quotation above shows, 'gild the lily' doesn't appear in the original.

The term 'paint the lily' was used in the 20th century, with the same meaning we now apply to 'gild the lily'. Clearly, this is the correct quotation. The two versions coexisted for a time, although 'paint the lily' is now hardly ever used. The first citation I can find for 'gild the lily' comes from the USA, in the Newark Daily Advocate, 1895, in what appears to be a half-remembered version of Shakespeare:

"One may gild the lily and paint the rose, but to convey by words only an adequate idea of the hats and bonnets now exhibited absolutely passes human ability."

Lars
11-28-2009, 02:12 AM
So 'gilding the lily' is nearly the same thing as decadence or am I mistaken?

Mesrine
11-28-2009, 02:56 AM
I guess you are low class/caste too.

And how so? Because I don't like tattoos? That's not logical, since one (Beorn) likes tattoos, and the other (me) doesn't.

You'll have to prove that the despise of tattoos is low class, and the appreciation of tattoos is high class. Good luck. :D

Trog
11-28-2009, 03:38 AM
I suggest you never bring your partner to Britain. She will leave this island in tears and shame after the onslaught of being called Duck, Hen, Chick, Cock, etc...

Or lassie...or a bird! In Scotland we're also known as 'birds'. Like, "haw mate, you seen ma noo burd".


The word 'chick' is a word of endearment. Only the most "honourable" of women get to be called it.

I expect guys who use the term "chick" for wummin to be scallies.



:confused: Are you calling our ancestors "unEuropean"? The women were just as heavily adorned with body art than the menfolk.

It was written by Isadore of Seville that: "The race of the Picts are so named from their bodies, because a craftsmen works on them with the point of a needle and the juice of a native wild grass, so that the scars are left as marks. Even those of noble birth are disfigured by painted limbs. Both sexes may display the custom, so that it is a mark of rank to cut off excess hair: among women especially."

YUCK! I was hoping this wasn't going to be the case, though it actually has a different meaning back then to what it does now. It was very cultural back then I guess, but for females to do it now, they're inspired by celebrities more than anything, and it's this celebrity idol-worshipping practice I really do not like.

Fortis in Arduis
11-28-2009, 04:00 AM
Or lassie...or a bird! In Scotland we're also known as 'birds'. Like, "haw mate, you seen ma noo burd".

In Aberdeen, they call them 'ma blonde', and the girls call the boys that too.

On topic, I understand that Adolf Hitler was himself opposed to tattooing etc. as being un-Aryan.

So am I, but not because I am a Nazi.

Stegura
11-28-2009, 04:34 AM
I personally consider tattoo's to be a desecration of the human body. I honestly think that they look like some kind of skin disease.

I'll never understand the whole White Power/Skinhead obession with excessive tattoo's.

Just my opinion.

Fortis in Arduis
11-28-2009, 05:15 AM
I'll never understand the whole White Power/Skinhead obession with excessive tattoo's.

I think that the purpose of WP/Skinhead style is to create an indelible mean look and attitude which is more than just a throwaway fashion statement.

That is what a tattoo has and is.

I just have a personal preference for unmarked bodies...

My mother and father (who I was taken away from, at birth, for adoption) are old punks so they have a lot of tattoos and piercings and stuff, and I am sure that it meant quite a lot to them in the 1970s and beyond, but I am just completely neutral about it on other people from a personal point of view, but on a woman, for a partner, I find it deeply disgusting, and on a man, such bodily decorations should be discreet and meaningful and I find modern designs extremely distasteful.

Beorn
11-28-2009, 06:03 AM
on a man, such bodily decorations should be discreet and meaningful


http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5194/dsc00997e.jpg

:thumb001:

Amapola
11-28-2009, 08:46 AM
I used to like them before and I liked them on a very little femenine part like forearms. I would not get my body tattooed now.

Stossy
11-28-2009, 08:53 AM
Tattoos...
Some of us love 'm, some of us don't...

And some of us love 'm specially on chicks...

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/l_5cb81bf2f2a6570e5318f51f03843f0d.jpg


Is that one real?


Well I like tattoos on chicks, but the tattoos should not be big. My ex had 2 tattoos, one on her upper arm and one on her shoulder (a heart with a leaf through it just like an arrow).
It also depends on what kind of tattoo it is and where it is located.

I know a women who has an angel wing on the left or right side of her body, from the shoulder all the way down. That can be pretty cool, only I've never seen it :(.

Jamt
11-28-2009, 09:12 AM
That is what we call a "Tramp Stamp". ;)

Lower back-tribal tattoos on a beautiful woman is a sacrilege and a very distracting. I hate it and curse the one who put it there.

Wölfin
11-28-2009, 09:30 AM
I like tattoos... I actually would like to get at least 2 or 3 different ones but for now I will have to restrict to one in a very subtle area because it makes it a bit harder for acting and modeling.

I like girls without tatts and I like girls with tatts it all depends on the girl and on the tattoo itself :)
I like the one on Lady GaGa's lower back:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2690/picture7tc.png

(I also like her other ones all over but this one is very nice and artistic and also... basically saying "I'm not a tramp stamp... but almost!" haha)

Sventovit
11-28-2009, 09:41 AM
The vast majority of women who get tattooed are as disgusting degenerate as their 'artwork' - it's certainly possible to get a tasteful, discrete tattoo done, but the overwhelming majority tend to go for tramp stamps and other garish trash that seems to scream "Slut!".

MarcvSS
11-28-2009, 11:26 AM
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/779834261_5_iLUQ.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/731695267_5_TecV.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/havoksg.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/200925885516.jpg

Trog
11-28-2009, 01:46 PM
http://www.zimbio.com/Audrina+Patridge+Hair/articles/33/Audrina+Patridge+Sexy+Actress

Audrina Partridge has a nice a - I mean tattoo.

http://i46.tinypic.com/293ejd3.jpg

Sorry, but this is a bag of bones, the tattoo seems secondary to the anorexic build.

Men who love bones and tattoos on women? Just what is the world coming to? It seems so unnatural for men to want a woman who doesn't look like she could give birth, given her low weight and BMI index. Her lack of curves already takes away from her femininity, then you add a tattoo and it's like wtf....I don't get it...

Something wrong these days with real women?

http://www.wallpaperpimper.com/wallpaper/Female_Celebrity/Monica_Bellucci/Monica-Bellucci-Waterfall-1-1024x768.jpg

http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Job/Marilyn-Monroe-oversized-postcard--.jpg

Loki
11-28-2009, 01:51 PM
The problem I have with tattoos, is that they're permanent. It's like a woman wearing the same dress for the rest of her life. Gets boring after a while ...

Lulletje Rozewater
11-28-2009, 02:15 PM
I have no problem with Tattoos on chicks

http://i49.tinypic.com/ipwp6b.jpg

MarcvSS
11-28-2009, 02:22 PM
Sorry, but this is a bag of bones, the tattoo seems secondary to the anorexic build.

Men who love bones and tattoos on women? Just what is the world coming to? It seems so unnatural for men to want a woman who doesn't look like she could give birth, given her low weight and BMI index. Her lack of curves already takes away from her femininity, then you add a tattoo and it's like wtf....I don't get it...

Something wrong these days with real women?

http://www.wallpaperpimper.com/wallpaper/Female_Celebrity/Monica_Bellucci/Monica-Bellucci-Waterfall-1-1024x768.jpg

http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Job/Marilyn-Monroe-oversized-postcard--.jpg

So in your opinion all woman who have tattoos are bags of bones and far from being real women?

I'd like to see a pic of you, and then we will discuss wheither or not you fit the category of a real woman.

All in all I find what you call an opinion a little shortsighted to put it mildly.

Btw that last picture is of Marylin Monroe right?
She had tattoos...

Anthropos
11-28-2009, 02:26 PM
Tattoos on chicks...

Superfluous, it is.

Thulsa Doom
11-28-2009, 02:31 PM
I do not condone it on friends or family. For me tattooing is a sub cultural thing and therefore not anything to strive for.

MarcvSS
11-28-2009, 02:36 PM
I do not condone it on friends or family. For me tattooing is a sub cultural thing and therefore not anything to strive for.

Agreed. However the fact remains others see this in quit the opposite way. Does that make them lesser people?;)

Thulsa Doom
11-28-2009, 02:43 PM
Agreed. However the fact remains others see this in quit the opposite way. Does that make them lesser people?;)

No, but it makes them less Swede.:(
Other people can do whatever the want.

MarcvSS
11-28-2009, 02:45 PM
No, but it makes them less Swede.:(
Other people can do whatever the want.How so?

Didn't you know your early ancesters where tattooed?

That would make them al lesser Swedes in your opinion...

Thulsa Doom
11-28-2009, 02:53 PM
How so?

Didn't you know your early ancesters where tattooed?

Those damned vikings picking up foreign fads.

Look, I´m not denying that tattoos can look good or be cool, I just see it as stepping out of the line, which I do not approve of.

Lulletje Rozewater
11-28-2009, 02:58 PM
The problem I have with tattoos, is that they're permanent. It's like a woman wearing the same dress for the rest of her life. Gets boring after a while ...

http://images.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://www.survival-international.org/lib/img/gallery/User_Galleries/news/original/tattoo_leah.jpg&imgrefurl=http://carolyncastiglia.blogspot.com/2008_06_01_archive.html&usg=__CibM2ZV_rk1vPlugoha30LRiaOI=&h=600&w=399&sz=32&hl=en&start=15&sig2=_YZD2IpSlgWvKZV_JTqdtA&um=1&tbnid=PuzOLMXE7tfa0M:&tbnh=135&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3DTattoos%2Bon%2Broosters%2Bfunny%2Bpho to%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1&ei=IEcRS_HeKdCF4QadkuDnAw

especially this one........disgusting to say the least
http://i46.tinypic.com/300r21h.jpg

MarcvSS
11-28-2009, 03:00 PM
Those damned vikings picking up foreign fads. I read an article a while ago, that the Vikings didn't pick it up from other cultures, but actually introduced it to other cultures.

But thats ofcourse a completely different subject.

Might be fun to discuss sometime...


Look, I´m not denying that tattoos can look good or be cool, I just see it as stepping out of the line, which I do not approve of.

To each his own ofcourse.:thumb001:

MarcvSS
11-28-2009, 03:01 PM
http://images.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://www.survival-international.org/lib/img/gallery/User_Galleries/news/original/tattoo_leah.jpg&imgrefurl=http://carolyncastiglia.blogspot.com/2008_06_01_archive.html&usg=__CibM2ZV_rk1vPlugoha30LRiaOI=&h=600&w=399&sz=32&hl=en&start=15&sig2=_YZD2IpSlgWvKZV_JTqdtA&um=1&tbnid=PuzOLMXE7tfa0M:&tbnh=135&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3DTattoos%2Bon%2Broosters%2Bfunny%2Bpho to%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1&ei=IEcRS_HeKdCF4QadkuDnAw

especially this one........disgusting to say the least
http://i46.tinypic.com/300r21h.jpg

Care to elaborate?

I dont find it disgusting one bit.

Germanicus
11-28-2009, 03:04 PM
[QUOTE=Thulsa Doom;145055.
Look, I´m not denying that tattoos can look good or be cool, I just see it as stepping out of the line, which I do not approve of.[/QUOTE]


Yeah i agree with you, but however as time has gone by my views have changed. A few years ago i felt the urge to have a tattoo, months went by, for the love of Ada i could not find a tattoo that was worthy, so in the end i designed one from a little research on the web.
Mine is a personal one, as i have designed it, it is unique, it is hidden on my right shoulder, only if i want to show it off can it be seen by others.
As the sun degrades all the colour in tattoos i hide it at all costs.

MarcvSS
11-28-2009, 03:13 PM
As the sun degrades all the colour in tattoos i hide it at all costs.
This is absolutely an impossibility...

I due however agree that whilst the tattoo is still healing the sun can wear out the colouring.

Lulletje Rozewater
11-28-2009, 03:19 PM
Care to elaborate?

I dont find it disgusting one bit.

Just my opinion. Making love, is it to a woman or a dragon.
I do make love with my bedside lamp on:D

Dammit , it would feel like a quivering tummy drag or a plantaardige vixen.
Then again every dragon gives birth to St. George,who slays it :lightbul:

MarcvSS
11-28-2009, 04:29 PM
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/tattoo_chick.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/03755-remasuimimax0200.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/max341.jpg

MarcvSS
11-28-2009, 04:30 PM
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/1249810352009.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/26785651.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/32022455.jpg

Beorn
11-28-2009, 04:36 PM
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/32022455.jpg



:amour101:

What is her name?

MarcvSS
11-28-2009, 05:28 PM
:amour101:

What is her name?

Her name is Angela:)

Anthropos
11-28-2009, 05:50 PM
http://lower-back-tattoos.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/sexy-lower-back-tattoo1.jpg

Nice figure. :)

Tattoos are in the way, though, it looks kinda cheap.

Damião de Góis
11-28-2009, 06:03 PM
No thanks. But a little one on a not so exposed place wouldn't bother me too much.

Äike
11-28-2009, 07:44 PM
http://83.216.4.169/albumit/mmedia/6t/iaq/dm/136671/normal_670530020.jpg

Most obvious tramp stamp ever, lol.

MarcvSS
11-28-2009, 07:57 PM
http://83.216.4.169/albumit/mmedia/6t/iaq/dm/136671/normal_670530020.jpg

Most obvious tramp stamp ever, lol.

If that handlebar was real, one could really... eeuuhhmm I better leave it at that.:p

Trog
11-28-2009, 08:40 PM
So in your opinion all woman who have tattoos are bags of bones and far from being real women?

I'd like to see a pic of you, and then we will discuss wheither or not you fit the category of a real woman.

All in all I find what you call an opinion a little shortsighted to put it mildly.

Btw that last picture is of Marylin Monroe right?
She had tattoos...

Do you have a problem with comprehension? The woman that was used as an example by the other poster was quite obviously underweight. So no, she wasn't a 'bag of bones' for having a tattoo, but for her obvious low BMI. She had an unremarkable, shapeless figure.

Fred
11-29-2009, 05:15 AM
Tattoos are a sign of slavery, just like piercings. Read the Old Testament for the Golden Calf.

Ulf
11-29-2009, 05:18 AM
Tattoos are a sign of slavery, just like piercings. Read the Old Testament for the Golden Calf.

Keep your fairy tales to yourself.

Lulletje Rozewater
11-29-2009, 11:20 AM
The Pope's tattoo

http://i47.tinypic.com/14dlgkg.jpg

MarcvSS
11-29-2009, 12:56 PM
Tattoos are a sign of slavery, just like piercings. Read the Old Testament for the Golden Calf.

Twat...

MarcvSS
11-29-2009, 06:38 PM
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/Akemi0.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/Ally.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/Amberlynn.jpg

MarcvSS
11-29-2009, 06:39 PM
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/Amelie.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/Amina.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/Amina0.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/Anoushka.jpg

Sol Invictus
11-29-2009, 06:42 PM
PD Delivers.


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3238&d=1259519795

Gooding
11-29-2009, 06:46 PM
Those pics..were simply..awesome..

MarcvSS
11-29-2009, 06:53 PM
Those pics..were simply..awesome..
Well donate 5 euros for a constant refill:D

Fred
11-29-2009, 07:00 PM
Twat...Keep your negative rep points to yourself. You just can't handle the truth, FAGGOT!:mad: They all look like heroin abusing transsexuals!


PD Delivers.


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3238&d=1259519795Nicholas Cage?:D

MarcvSS
11-29-2009, 07:06 PM
Keep your negative rep points to yourself. You just can't handle the truth, FAGGOT!:mad: They all look like heroin abusing transsexuals!

Nicholas Cage?:D

Twat...

Lulletje Rozewater
11-30-2009, 05:26 AM
Keep your negative rep points to yourself. You just can't handle the truth, FAGGOT!:mad: They all look like heroin abusing transsexuals!

Nicholas Cage?:D

Is that you Fred????

http://i48.tinypic.com/2v1og20.jpg

Zyklop
12-02-2009, 09:19 PM
The problem I have with tattoos, is that they're permanent. It's like a woman wearing the same dress for the rest of her life. Gets boring after a while ...
Especially since women never are happy about their looks anyway.
Personally I don't mind a little tattoo on the ankles or the shoulder but nothing ruins the feminine appearance more than a tattooed cleavage.

http://vandemars.com/lina_new/images/stories/LinaVan/Lina_Peta.jpg

The latest fad however seems to be angel wings across the whole back. It won't take long and this 'unique' idea will get lasered away or covered up just like all these tramp stamps and Chinese lettering that women got tattooed to be different and now are ashamed of because everyone has them.

http://tattoos.ygoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/beautiful-angel-wings-tattoos.jpg

Murphy
12-03-2009, 02:20 AM
Not a fan of tattooed girls, no.

Regards,
The Papist.

Paleo
12-03-2009, 02:47 AM
Nah, it dosent bother me much. As long as its not too exstream, like on her face or neck.

Sleeves and larger tattoos iv never really seen as repulsive or off putting, but not exactly a turn on either.

la bombe
12-03-2009, 03:25 AM
http://tattoos.ygoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/beautiful-angel-wings-tattoos.jpg

Usually I don't think tattoos look all that great on women but this one's actually beautiful IMO.

Jägerstaffel
12-03-2009, 03:34 AM
She needs some sunscreen though.

Because she looks burnt to a crisp and to protect her ink from fading.

Grey
12-03-2009, 04:51 AM
Tattoos can look great on women; it just annoys me when they get generic meaningless shit, like the suburban soccer moms here who all get fleur de lis or butterflies on their ankles.

As for those who complain about them being unrecognizable when you get old, if you end up that saggy you're going to be ugly regardless of whether or not you're tattooed.

Lulletje Rozewater
12-04-2009, 04:26 PM
As for those who complain about them being unrecognizable when you get old, if you end up that saggy you're going to be ugly regardless of whether or not you're tattooed.

What if you have a penis tattoo and it becomes like this.:)

http://i46.tinypic.com/afhh6t.jpg

Majar
12-05-2009, 06:53 AM
I've never seen an example of a tattoo which enhances a woman's natural beauty in any way. It is usually distracting. I suspect there is often a self-esteem issue driving the desire to be tattooed and pierced, someone who doesn't feel beautiful or unique enough to gain attention. Tattoos on females seem to go hand-in-hand with attention whoring, lowbrow tastes and loose morals. In that sense tramp stamps are also good thing for men of value, they give a clue about which women to avoid for serious relationships.

Brynhild
12-05-2009, 12:19 PM
Well, this degenerate, slutty, multi-ear and nose pierced, low on self-esteem trash has a small dragon tattoo that sits nicely on her heart, and a swallow on her hip.

My opinion is for both men and women - tastefully done, and not too many of them.

Eldritch
12-08-2009, 07:32 PM
Here's a link to a picture gallery of girls with tattoos. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/funstuff/sns-viral-girls-pg,0,3110644.photogallery)71 pics in total. SFW.

Equinox
12-08-2009, 07:55 PM
My father - with all of his years of wisdom - once told me that in the summer a man should look for a thin and attractive woman. However, come the winter she should be left and traded in for a chubby woman, so she would keep you warm at night. The latter woman should preferably be "covered in tattoos" so one might have "something to look at". ;)

Brännvin
12-08-2009, 08:26 PM
No thanks, not a fan of tattooed girls!

MarcvSS
12-10-2009, 12:27 PM
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/Amina0-1.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/Aleena.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/Akemi.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss317/TattSSTT/Adria.jpg

Dalriada
12-16-2009, 11:16 PM
I dislike seeing tattoos on women, full stop. Real beauty doesn't need ornamentation.
As for piercings, the fewer the better, and preferably just on the ear lobes (though the site of a tongue piercing can sometimes send a pleasant shiver through oneself...).

Antonine
12-17-2009, 12:09 AM
It seems like a waste of money and can make them look cheap.

Mrs Ulf
12-17-2009, 01:50 AM
Ornamentation is something that almost all cultures have, tattoos have been used to express beauty and strength all over the world. It only seems 'Trashy' to a few of you because you relate tattoos to a lower class society in the western world.

Its only if its accepted by the society that it is not seen as wrong, or lower class. Take for instance ear piercings on girls. Girls get their ears pierced as young as a few years old. That is not offensive to us because its an accepted place to be pierced.

I have 3 non traditional piercings and I don't see how that makes me any less of a person for having them.

Franz
12-17-2009, 02:08 AM
Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

MarcvSS
12-17-2009, 08:25 AM
Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."Oh my god!!!!! I'm gonna end up in Hell!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Ulf
12-20-2009, 03:54 AM
Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

Normally I would make some crack about fairy tales here, but fairy tales are way more interesting/insightful stories so I don't want to make fun of them.

Ulf
12-20-2009, 04:11 AM
Having a christian threaten me with hell is like having a hippy threaten to punch me in my aura.

Fortis in Arduis
01-21-2010, 11:37 AM
A recent article in the Daily Mail reveals that the English actress Helen Mirren, 64:

http://fashionindie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/helen_mirren.jpg

has this little tattoo on her hand:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/21/article-1244881-07F12CEC000005DC-746_468x286.jpg

She says:


The 64-year-old said: 'I was very, very drunk. It was a very, very long time ago, when only sailors and Hell's Angels were tattooed, honestly, and prisoners.
'And I decided to get a tattoo because it was the most shocking thing I could think of doing.'
Dame Helen told US TV's Good Morning America: 'And now I'm utterly disgusted and shocked because it's become completely mainstream, which is unacceptable to me.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1244881/I-hate-tattoo--theyre-common-Helen-Mirren-drunk-got-body-art.html

It is the Anglo-Saxon rune 'Ing'.

Stylish and appropriate.

Perhaps it just needs a little reworking.

Helen should book an appointment with MarcvSS. ;)

Here she is in a bikini:

http://www.topsocialite.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/helen-mirren.jpg

Tabiti
01-21-2010, 01:47 PM
Already tattooed I don't care who likes it or not. As for guys I don't care if they are whole covered in tattoos or with clean skin. Body art doesn't have any sexual influence on me.

Rachel
01-21-2010, 02:07 PM
I am a fan of tattoos as for myself i am a chicken when it comes to needles Bac Bac!

Svanhild
01-21-2010, 02:15 PM
I've one tattoo and it's my peccadillo of youth. I want to get rid of my arse antlers/tramp stamp/call it how you want as soon as possible. :coffee: A friend makes me a fair price for the painful and multistaged procedure. Oh how I can't see this crap on my tailbone anymore.

MarcvSS
01-21-2010, 03:21 PM
I've one tattoo and it's my peccadillo of youth. I want to get rid of my arse antlers/tramp stamp/call it how you want as soon as possible. :coffee: A friend makes me a fair price for the painful and multistaged procedure. Oh how I can't see this crap on my tailbone anymore.
I hope for your sake the tattooist didn't use American pigments...

Eldritch
01-21-2010, 03:25 PM
Here she is in a bikini:

http://www.topsocialite.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/helen-mirren.jpg

Off-topic, but it must be said:

Not bad at all for a 62-y/o. :cool:

December
01-21-2010, 04:14 PM
A recent article in the Daily Mail reveals that the English actress Helen Mirren, 64:

has this little tattoo on her hand:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/21/article-1244881-07F12CEC000005DC-746_468x286.jpg

She says:

It is the Anglo-Saxon rune 'Ing'.

Stylish and appropriate.

Looks more like...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:3ETFWmLJKPBSJM%3Ahttp://www.stthomaslodge6574.org.uk/_images/square_compass.png

antonio
01-21-2010, 04:21 PM
I don't like them about 99% of the times. Though if they represent ancient Europe symbols how the case is, then, till a certain degree, I can change my mind on them. And what a foxy witch she is! Obviously Merlin taught her some ancient lores about attraction, though red bikini don't fit her as well as night suit above.

Guapo
01-23-2010, 03:34 AM
I have tattoos on both forearms due to being surrounded by tattooed male family members at a young age. I guess It was embedded in me early that getting tattooed on your forearms was a macho thing to do, don't know why guys get their backs tattooed but wuteva, I sure don't regret it though. :cry :P

Fortis in Arduis
01-23-2010, 08:10 AM
Looks more like...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:3ETFWmLJKPBSJM%3Ahttp://www.stthomaslodge6574.org.uk/_images/square_compass.png

No, it looks more like the Ing rune. :cool:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/21/article-1244881-07F12CEC000005DC-746_468x286.jpg

http://www.bijouxesoteriques.com/admin/images/catalogue/vignettes/vignette_rune_ing_pro.jpg

Something on your mind? :)

Sigrid
01-29-2010, 10:38 PM
I have several tattoos and really don't care if someone likes them or not. If one is so concerned about whether someone else likes them, they shouldn't have tattoos at all. :)

Beorn
08-22-2010, 04:05 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Er0ByfNmh5k/S5uDZaWcscI/AAAAAAAAAUs/WnKiRnUsRh0/s400/tattooed+women+in+the+breast+001.jpg

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/beethoven1962/Tattooed%20Women/bb6ascd.jpg

Debaser11
08-22-2010, 04:35 AM
I'd REALLY rather you ladies not. I'm Fred Rogers on this.

"I like you just the way you are."

Lithium
08-22-2010, 08:12 AM
I love chicks with tattoos, they look very sexy.

Sabinae
08-22-2010, 10:40 AM
I believe everyone is free to have their own opinions and decisions on this matter, according to background, education, tradition, age, beliefs and most importantly: personality. That doesnt mean that one person is right and another is wrong. Tattoos have been around since ancient times, and they wont go away anytime soon.

I personally have nothing against/for them. I could like some, i could dislike some, or i could be indifferent to them, all depending on the person wearing the tattoo and their "attributes"/style/lifestyle, depending on the location, shape, colour and size of the tattoo itself. :p I just might have one myself...you never know! :icon_cheesygrin: :icon_wink:

Eldritch
12-21-2010, 07:55 PM
Since recently this forum has been all about resurrecting ancient threads ...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AqQLhntr6FQ/TRDmOxjHZoI/AAAAAAAABso/8pYBtzP5u9A/s1600/KRISTEN+ALVES+DUTRA+by+Sexy+Girl+Photography+-+Holiday.jpg

SaxonCeorl
12-21-2010, 08:11 PM
^ I like the Bettie Page look on girls.

Generally, I don't care for tattoos on girls, but an artistic armsleeve is OK with me. I don't like little individual tattoos...looks like a birthmark or something.

Breedingvariety
12-21-2010, 08:25 PM
I think tattoos on women is dirty. Both in a good and in a bad way, depends on a mood.:swl:coffee:

Austin
12-27-2010, 12:00 AM
That is what we call a "Tramp Stamp". ;)

There is one thing and one thing only that a girl with a tattoo represents truly in a guys mind and it isn't anything noble and or fashionable I can tell you that.


What a sad disgrace for these women. I pity what they could have been.


My dad and mom told me one thing and one thing only about a girl with a tattoo and that has always proved true.

Adalwolf
12-27-2010, 12:32 AM
A woman's body shouldn't be desecrated by a tattoo which they will end up wanting to remove in 20 years anyway. I think tattoos in general are hideous, but to each their own...

Heretik
12-27-2010, 01:02 AM
Tattoos on girls? Highly desirable / the more the better. ;)

Megrez
12-27-2010, 02:20 AM
http://www.nordisk.nu/gallery/file.php?n=12661&w=l

CelticTemplar
12-27-2010, 03:34 AM
Tattoos on women? How very slutty and unflattering.

Grumpy Cat
12-27-2010, 03:56 AM
I'm the same for men. Depends on the tattoo. If a tattoo means something, like something to do with their heritage, or a tribute to a close friend of family member who has passed, they can be nice.

But people who just get crap inked on them, well, don't like it.

Since a tattoo stays on you for the rest of your life, what you get is not a decision to be taken lightly... Yet too many people do.

stellar
12-28-2010, 11:02 PM
I have a backpiece and wings on both calves. They look nice :thumb001:

Guapo
12-28-2010, 11:07 PM
I have a backpiece and wings on both calves. They look nice :thumb001:

:twwp:

stellar
12-28-2010, 11:13 PM
http://img2.pict.com/90/90/2b/4409200/0/imgp0065.jpg

http://img2.pict.com/21/75/88/4409156/0/362203.jpg

http://img2.pict.com/b9/b9/44/4409151/0/l05a6d00f3d374849aab014d633ae4c7.jpg

http://img2.pict.com/ec/80/7d/4409201/0/imgp1676.jpg

That is my cat Helena, she like the rest of my family is not impressed.

Guapo
12-28-2010, 11:17 PM
http://img2.pict.com/ec/80/7d/4409201/0/imgp1676.jpg


moar pix http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:rml7v_yN3Dr0YM:http://www.sunhairsimscreations.com/forum/images/smilies/drool-animated-animation-love-smiley-emoticon-000381-medium.gif&t=1

stellar
12-28-2010, 11:21 PM
I guess I should post this one instead for the wings :rolleyes:

http://img2.pict.com/d5/cc/2a/4409154/0/33507.jpg

Herder
12-29-2010, 12:09 AM
I like when there's a small tattoo hidden right above the butt.

stellar
12-29-2010, 01:40 AM
Anyway I was reading the thread back a little more (some older posts) and really you cannot write someone off over something like this. I agree excess is bad, that is for all things in life, but a few tatoos or piercings does not make you trashy, its is all about how your present yourself. I have tattoos and anyone who knows me or even talks to me know that I am not trashy, and as for the people that dont know me and think I am, they dont matter anyway? I know I am not and that is all that matters. And people who say we will look gross when we get old because tatoos will be all wrinkly, the way I see it is: when I am older I shouldnt be wearing clothes that show off my tatoos anyway, and if I am then shame on me. If my tattoos are wrinkly then the rest of my body is probably wrinkly too which isnt too hot to begin with :D
Do what makes you happy and makes you feel good, not what other people agree that you should do by their standards.

Dario Argento
12-29-2010, 01:54 AM
Anyway I was reading the thread back a little more (some older posts) and really you cannot write someone off over something like this. I agree excess is bad, that is for all things in life, but a few tatoos or piercings does not make you trashy, its is all about how your present yourself. I have tattoos and anyone who knows me or even talks to me know that I am not trashy, and as for the people that dont know me and think I am, they dont matter anyway? I know I am not and that is all that matters. And people who say we will look gross when we get old because tatoos will be all wrinkly, the way I see it is: when I am older I shouldnt be wearing clothes that show off my tatoos anyway, and if I am then shame on me. If my tattoos are wrinkly then the rest of my body is probably wrinkly too which isnt too hot to begin with :D
Do what makes you happy and makes you feel good, not what other people agree that you should do by their standards.

Your tattoos look good, IMO. I have a few right now too.

stellar
12-29-2010, 02:12 AM
Thank you :)
What is yours exactly? (colorful!) I have a quote of Bukowski in the back and simple pegasus wings in my calves.

Dario Argento
12-29-2010, 02:14 AM
Thank you :)
What is yours exactly? Its colorful! I have a quote of Bukowski in the back and simple pegasus wings in my calves.

One is a dagger design I did myself (I didn't tatto myself, obviously LOL) but the idea was all mine.

The other tattoo in my forearm is a Panther.

I also have a ship in my other arm, but couldn't find any good picture of it in this pc.

The one in your back is pretty impressive, I bet you dropped a few tears for it.

stellar
12-29-2010, 02:28 AM
I did cry but its ok, I am a girl :D the wings took a long time too.
I noticed now the panther, I love big cats. Good work with the design! (y).

Debaser11
12-31-2010, 02:51 AM
Anyway I was reading the thread back a little more (some older posts) and really you cannot write someone off over something like this. I agree excess is bad, that is for all things in life, but a few tatoos or piercings does not make you trashy, its is all about how your present yourself.

Some people believe that mutilating the body in the individualist sense that is done today represents a form spiritual and societal decay. If you think of a healthy body as the ideal represented by something like Greco-Roman or Renaissance art (which moves us for a reason), it makes the "work" people have done today on themselves seem like a cheapening of something that is supposed to be sacred. You. The individual. The sacred individual who is a part of a race and a nation which is a part of an ideal which is part of some thrust toward transcendence. If we conceive of ourselves in a manner which allows this type of dignified upward holistic push to the sky, then why scribble over what should be the Mona Lisa?

It would be like me "pimping out" a crucifix with red trim lights like some Mexicunt to make it look "tight."

It undermines transcendence to make an arbitrary fashion statement.

I don't think this means you're a bad person. But the trend I see of young ladies getting tattoos and piecings among God knows what other types of work is discouraging.


I have tattoos and anyone who knows me or even talks to me know that I am not trashy, and as for the people that dont know me and think I am, they dont matter anyway?

Well, I think most people not afraid to exercise moral judgement automatically have bells going off in their head that signal "trashy" when they see people (especially women) with tattoos all over their body. It doesn't mean that you are trashy, but I think there's a reason we idealize loving and nurturing women in such a way that doesn't resemble Joan Jett or some Motorhead groupie.


I know I am not and that is all that matters.

Not that I'm some huge fan of slave morality, but how others view you does matter. To take just ONE example. If I have a business that deals with the public, you having those tattoos on you at your job interview factors some points into the minus column. That's just the way the world works. Image matters.


And people who say we will look gross when we get old because tatoos will be all wrinkly, the way I see it is: when I am older I shouldnt be wearing clothes that show off my tatoos anyway,

You probably shouldn't be wearing those clothes now.


and if I am then shame on me. If my tattoos are wrinkly then the rest of my body is probably wrinkly too which isnt too hot to begin with :D

So clearly the body is just a physical vessel to you. It's not a physical manifestation of some higher ideal to anyone these days. Though if I were a Buddhist monk saying it was a manifestation of something higher and transcendent on 6th Street in Austin, I'd get some nodding heads. If I said it as a follower of Western religion, I'm a closed-minded ass. I didn't mean to strawman you there. But I think that's how much of the hip crowd thinks these days about certain people "judging" them.


Do what makes you happy and makes you feel good,

This is the most poisonous advice anyone can get from another person because the advice sounds so benign and is said with good intentions. However, whatever "makes you feel good" is not the standard we should use to decide whether actions are right or wrong. The advice completely clouds how we should approach questions relating to either moral or virtuous behavior.

What if I just sit on my ass all day and don't hurt anyone? I just watch tv. That's all I do. I'm not hurting anyone. Is that right or should be trying to do something more productive?

It's nice when happiness overlaps with the right course of action. But happiness and proper moral actions are not one in the same.


not what other people agree that you should do by their standards.

Well, basing your actions on the herd's considerations is almost always stupid and leads to poor judgements. One should be able to justify their actions in a consistent manner. In this current age of hedonism, "because it feels good" is all people feel they need to say because they feel so entitled to material comforts.

M.I.A.
01-01-2011, 02:47 AM
I like meaningful text tattoos and symbols.

Breedingvariety
01-01-2011, 10:10 AM
I like meaningful text tattoos and symbols.
I hope they are just above your bottom.

Chris
02-22-2011, 05:50 PM
For me, any woman that looks good with a tattoo, looks even better without one. Maybe a subtle anklet tattoo isn't so bad...

alexandra
02-22-2011, 05:55 PM
i have a shit ton of tattoos so of course i think they're great on girls.

Talvi
02-22-2011, 06:46 PM
Depending on what it is, I like it. For example tribals and pin-up ones are bad.
I dont have any, but probably will.

Debaser11
02-22-2011, 09:52 PM
It seems to me that it's largely women who think they look good. Well, that figures. One thing I've noticed is that tattoos seem to be a class thing. It seems like the more lower class a person is, the greater the likelihood that they'll not just have a tattoo, but several. It's body graffiti. It also reeks of immodesty. "Look at me, look at me. I'm drawing attention to myself."

Tom Cat
02-23-2011, 12:50 AM
My wife has been thinking seriously about getting a tat of a cat. :)

Osweo
02-23-2011, 01:14 AM
Classy;
http://www.gorgeousonlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/tattoo.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1DuxP1mSU3M/TOpiDziYKwI/AAAAAAAAAFo/TRaZkVIt2Do/s400/Cat_Ass_Navel_Tattoo-ashx.jpeg

Furtive Feline
02-23-2011, 01:21 AM
Classy;
http://www.gorgeousonlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/tattoo.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1DuxP1mSU3M/TOpiDziYKwI/AAAAAAAAAFo/TRaZkVIt2Do/s400/Cat_Ass_Navel_Tattoo-ashx.jpeg

I don't think so! I do believe mine will be a little more classy.:D

mymy
02-23-2011, 01:57 AM
I don't have it and probably never will... It's all depend, It can look good but also bad. I don't like to see woman in classy dress and tattoo on her shoulders... And tattoos really look bad on old women, in my opinion. I support it if someone want to do it in memory of something or with some big reason, so that tattoo really have meaning. But as for myself, no thanks. And it can hurt.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 02:48 AM
I don't have it and probably never will... It's all depend, It can look good but also bad. I don't like to see woman in classy dress and tattoo on her shoulders... And tattoos really look bad on old women, in my opinion. I support it if someone want to do it in memory of something or with some big reason, so that tattoo really have meaning. But as for myself, no thanks. And it can hurt.


Exactly. I don't see successful classy people in offices with tattoos nor do I see this on classy people at banquets or other functions where more skin would be showing on a woman. When it comes to less revealing areas being tattooed--I don't want the woman of my children to have a tramp stamp. I would want a child of mine to actually respect her and take her seriously. It's hard to do that with some esoteric gobbledygook written on her like she's a bathroom wall.

As far as wanting to remember something, is there not a more meaningful way to do so that doesn't draw attention? Once upon a time, people honored loved ones by trying to embody them in their actions while maintaining them in their thoughts. There's a reason we don't like people who wear their religion on their sleeve. While a tattoo is not a religion, the feeling I have toward people with tattoos is similar.

Jägerstaffel
02-23-2011, 02:51 AM
Exactly. I don't see successful classy people in offices with tattoos nor do I see this on classy people at banquets or other functions where more skin would be showing on a woman.
There's a reason we don't like people who wear their religion on their sleeve. While a tattoo is not a religion, the feeling I have toward people with tattoos is similar.

Not everyone who has tattoos flaunts them. I am sure you have run into many successful "classy" people who have tattoos and you didn't even realize it.

Beorn
02-23-2011, 02:52 AM
Exactly. I don't see successful classy people in offices with tattoos nor do I see this on classy people at banquets or other functions where more skin would be showing on a woman.


It must be an Ancient Briton thing.

I can't find anyone without some marking. Each marking has a deep meaning. Each marking has some story to extol beyond the "lol! it be a tramp stamp. I muzt bez a whorez!"

Each to their own in life.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 03:01 AM
Not everyone who has tattoos flaunts them. I am sure you have run into many successful "classy" people who have tattoos and you didn't even realize it.

The point is very much to flaunt them. It's using your body as a display for some form of "art." It's done for a visual aesthetic.

I'm sure I have run into classy people with them. That doesn't make my point about their trashy nature any less valid.

Tom Cat
02-23-2011, 03:02 AM
I have a unique cross tattoo adorning my right deltoid, and a cat tat adorning my left deltoid. Both are easily concealed unless I want to reveal them, which I often do during warm weather. :)

My wife is hardly a slut for wanting to get a cat tat where it can be easily concealed. :rolleyes:

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 03:03 AM
It must be an Ancient Briton thing.

I can't find anyone without some marking. Each marking has a deep meaning. Each marking has some story to extol beyond the "lol! it be a tramp stamp. I muzt bez a whorez!"

Each to their own in life.

Oh please. It's not like tattoos are some contiguous tradition in Briton.

And yes, to each their own. I'm not advocating that we outlaw tattoos. I'm just saying they look trashy. Because they do.

Heretik
02-23-2011, 03:06 AM
Because they do.

Because you said so? Great argument! :thumb001:

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 03:06 AM
I have a unique cross tattoo adorning my right deltoid, and a cat tat adorning my left deltoid. Both are easily concealed unless I want to reveal them, which I often do during warm weather. :)

My wife is hardly a slut for wanting to get a cat tat where it can be easily concealed. :rolleyes:



No one is saying that any woman is a slut for having a tattoo. But the fact of the matter is that tattoos don't exactly connote a refined person to most people. That's just the reality of the situation. Your wife may very well be very refined; I dunno. Sorry if I offended.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 03:08 AM
Because you said so? Great argument! :thumb001:

I don't like graffiti. Most people don't, either. I don't know why putting it on the body makes it less trashy.

Jägerstaffel
02-23-2011, 03:08 AM
The point is very much to flaunt them. It's using your body as a display for some form of "art." It's done for a visual aesthetic.

I'm sure I have run into classy people with them. That doesn't make my point about their trashy nature any less valid.

I think you will find that public opinion is changing regarding tattoos, so your point will begin to lose validity when people get over themselves. There is no reason that a tattoo should be any different from an ear-piercing. It's just a form of decoration.

Beorn
02-23-2011, 03:11 AM
Oh please. It's not like tattoos are some contiguous tradition in Briton.

No? I'd say they were, in some small and insignificant manner, sure, but still carrying some form of tradition throughout.

One need only look through the old stock photos of England's and Britain's criminals and day-to-day characters (for the shame) to see the continuation - whether contrived or actually consciously perceived.

Tats have always been a apart of British way of expression.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 03:20 AM
I think you will find that public opinion is changing regarding tattoos,

Of course, but since when does public opinion make something right or wrong? Public opinion has changed on a lot of many matters: abortion, homosexuality, the death penalty, acceptable forms of dress, acceptable forms of dance, acceptable forms of art, a woman's role, attitudes about the heroic in Western culture.

The fact that our increasingly loud/desensitized culture finds it increasingly acceptable (is a sign of the times) and does not dampen the validity of my criticisms about tattoos anymore than the acceptability (and preference) for gangster rap in mainstream culture makes it any less trashy than say, Beethoven.


so your point will begin to lose validity when people get over themselves.

What is that even supposed to mean? What a vacuous remark. Are you suggesting that the people who turn their bodies into loud murals are the modest ones?


There is no reason that a tattoo should be any different from an ear-piercing.

This is like saying there is no reason an apple should be considered any different from an orange because they're both fruit.


It's just a form of decoration.

Yeah, and many people rightfully think they are trashy.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 03:23 AM
No? I'd say they were, in some small and insignificant manner, sure, but still carrying some form of tradition throughout.

One need only look through the old stock photos of England's and Britain's criminals and day-to-day characters (for the shame) to see the continuation - whether contrived or actually consciously perceived.

Tats have always been a apart of British way of expression.

I guess I gave you guys more credit. In all the old dignified portraits I see of great British folk (I guess these people avoided prison?) there seems to be an absence of tattoos on display.

Jägerstaffel
02-23-2011, 03:30 AM
Of course, but since when does public opinion make something right or wrong? Public opinion has changed on a lot of many matters: abortion, homosexuality, the death penalty, acceptable forms of dress, acceptable forms of dance, acceptable forms of art, a woman's role, attitudes about the heroic in Western culture.

The fact that our increasingly loud/desensitized culture finds it increasingly acceptable (is a sign of the times) and does not dampen the validity of my criticisms about tattoos anymore than the acceptability (and preference) for gangster rap in mainstream culture makes it any less trashy than say, Beethoven.


No one said anything about right or wrong. My point is that more people than not are realizing that having a tattoo doesn't mean you've mutilated your body just because some people used to think so.

And as for abortion: I'm pro choice.
As for homosexuality: I have no problem with it.
Death penalty: I'm for it.
Acceptable forms of dance/art: Whatever the artist/dancer chooses.
A woman's role: I'm for gender equality.

I guess I represent the decline of the west to you, Debaser, but I can still look classy even with my tattoos. :)

Beorn
02-23-2011, 03:37 AM
I guess I gave you guys more credit. In all the old dignified portraits I see of great British folk (I guess these people avoided prison?) there seems to be an absence of tattoos on display.

A lack of show doesn't mean the show isn't occurring.
Many men and women had tattoos. One famous "dignified" member of British society would be George V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_V_of_the_United_Kingdom#Early_life_and_educ ation).

Tattoos never left. They simply went undercover, as it were.

Brynhild
02-23-2011, 03:39 AM
Contrary to popular opinion, tattoos aren't for the lower class or trashy types. If anything, the opposite tends to be true. They don't come cheap for a start, and there is a certain tradition and meaning behind what's inscribed. For both men and women, I like them tastefully done and with meaning, not plastered all over the body. I'm willing to bet that there are plenty of professionals who have tattoos and placed them on parts of their body to deliberately hide them while at work so they can still uphold that professional look. You wouldn't know otherwise.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 03:49 AM
No one said anything about right or wrong.

I did. I don't think immodesty is a virtue.


My point is that more people than not are realizing that having a tattoo doesn't mean you've mutilated your body just because some people used to think so.

And my point is that it's a sign of the times. If more people thought that X was okay, would you be for it? This appeal to popularity is pretty asinine.


And as for abortion: I'm pro choice.
As for homosexuality: I have no problem with it.
Death penalty: I'm for it.
Acceptable forms of dance/art: Whatever the artist/dancer chooses.
A woman's role: I'm for gender equality.

No shocker here. I would expect someone as entrenched in slave morality as you to expouse just those views on each respective subject. But I didn't bring up these points to debate each of them, but simply to provide examples of how cultural norms shift and will forever continue to shift and are thus not the most useful tool when determining what side to take on an issue if you believe that ideas are eternal.


I guess I represent the decline of the west to you, Debaser, but I can still look classy even with my tattoos. :)

Spare me this painting yourself (something I guess that comes natural to you) as some sort of victim in the context of this discussion.


A lack of show doesn't mean the show isn't occurring.

Quite right. What you're describing there is a form of subtlety, which intelligent beings and higher civilizations universally value over tacky showiness. In the West, we used to care more for tact and intelligence when putting on a show.


Many men and women had tattoos. One famous "dignified" member of British society would be George V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_V_of_the_United_Kingdom#Early_life_and_educ ation).

Tattoos never left. They simply went undercover, as it were.

You give me an outlier? Seriously? And there's a reason they were undercover. There's a reason many of them remain undercover to this day.

Jägerstaffel
02-23-2011, 03:53 AM
But I didn't bring up these points to debate each of them, but simply to provide examples of how cultural norms shift and will forever continue to shift and are thus not the most useful tool when determining what side to take on an issue if you believe that ideas are eternal.



They aren't. Thank god.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 03:56 AM
They aren't. Thank god.

Courage, Wisdom, Strength, Fortitude, Prudence, Kindness, and Love are not eternal?:confused:

I honestly expected a bit more from you...

Beorn
02-23-2011, 03:57 AM
Quite right. What you're describing there is a form of subtlety.

It was well known in polite society and without about his tattoo.


In the West, we used to care more for tact and intelligence when putting on a show.

Of course. I can't argue with that truth.


You give me an outlier? Seriously? And there's a reason they were undercover. There's a reason many of them remain undercover to this day.

One of many, many royals and 'hoi-polloi' with tattoos, but the point I was making was more to do with the significance of tattoos in a continuous culture which has only in today's society been twisted and distorted.

Jägerstaffel
02-23-2011, 03:58 AM
Courage, Wisdom, Strength, Fortitude, Prudence, Kindness, and Love are not eternal?:confused:

I honestly expected a bit more from you...

You don't even know me?

la bombe
02-23-2011, 03:58 AM
I would expect someone as entrenched in slave morality as you to expouse just those views on each respective subject.

How are any of those things part of "slave morality"?

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 04:03 AM
You don't even know me?

So you prefer to ignore my previous question? I would because it exposes how astoundingly airheaded your response was about ideas not being eternal. As far as not knowing you, the response I gave you previously would apply to any human who tells me that ideas are not eternal.


How are any of those things part of "slave morality"?

The scope of this thread is not appropriate for an in depth discussion regarding your question. If you understand even the basic ideas codified in Beyond Good and Evil, an explanation should not be necessary.

Jägerstaffel
02-23-2011, 04:12 AM
So you prefer to ignore my previous question? I would because it exposes how astoundingly airheaded your response was about ideas not being eternal. As far as not knowing you, the response I gave you previously would apply to any human who tells me that ideas are not eternal.



No I am not being airheaded - I just find the debate pointless.

Adalwolf
02-23-2011, 04:30 AM
And as for abortion: I'm pro choice.
As for homosexuality: I have no problem with it.
Death penalty: I'm for it.
Acceptable forms of dance/art: Whatever the artist/dancer chooses.
A woman's role: I'm for gender equality.

I guess I represent the decline of the west to you, Debaser, but I can still look classy even with my tattoos. :)

Eh? With what you listed above, I would describe you as anything but classy.

Classy: of high class, rank, or grade; stylish; admirably smart; elegant.

Jägerstaffel
02-23-2011, 04:33 AM
Eh? With what you listed above, I would describe you as anything but classy.

Classy: of high class, rank, or grade; stylish; admirably smart; elegant.


None of the views I have would bar me from having any of those qualities.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 04:40 AM
No I am not being airheaded - I just find the debate pointless.

It always is when one side doesn't respond to the points the other side makes while at the same time feeling no need to justify any positive claim they may assert.

It could have been an interesting discussion. I mean, the whole thread was created for such a discussion.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 04:47 AM
Contrary to popular opinion, tattoos aren't for the lower class or trashy types. If anything, the opposite tends to be true.

We must reside in parallel dimensions. In the world I live in, CEOs, dignitaries, and most anyone that is of high esteem (read: not an entertainer) seems to underrepresent the population average in terms of body ink per capita.


They don't come cheap for a start,

Neither do computers, flat screen televisions, nice cell phones, name brand clothing, fitted hats, sporty cars, or children. I see the underclass walking around with these things all the time.


[and there is a certain tradition and meaning behind what's inscribed. For both men and women, I like them tastefully done and with meaning, not plastered all over the body. I'm willing to bet that there are plenty of professionals who have tattoos and placed them on parts of their body to deliberately hide them while at work

And that's meaningful. The fact that they are not allowed by most dress codes does not seem to be incidental.



[so they can still uphold that professional look. You wouldn't know otherwise.

I agree that tattoos do look professional when they are hidden, yes.

Jägerstaffel
02-23-2011, 04:47 AM
I mean, the whole thread was created for such a discussion.

Actually, if I remember correctly, Tatts/Marcus created this thread to show off hot chicks with tattoos?

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 04:51 AM
Actually, if I remember correctly, Tatts/Marcus created this thread to show off hot chicks with tattoos?

So despite pages and pages of discussion about tattoos on chicks, you now feel that this discussion where I ask you to defend your views about tattoos is not in the appropriate thread?:confused:

la bombe
02-23-2011, 05:02 AM
I don't even like most tattoos and would never get one myself but LOL @ attempting to link it to 'class'. Tattoos have been around for ages and not everyone subscribes to the Judaic notion that there's anything wrong with them.

Just because they're marked on the body doesn't mean that tattoos are inherently immodest or attention-seeking. For some people they are a meaningful expression of their traditions, values or even just their creativity. Even if they aren't, oh well. If you honestly think you can judge someone's worth based on a bodily marking, maybe you're the one with the problem.

Loddfafner
02-23-2011, 05:13 AM
Trashy is much more fun than classy. Classy = vapid. True nobility would never be so insipid as to pose as merely classy. Classiness is for pretentious types like Mrs. Bucket in that old British sitcom.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 05:18 AM
I don't even like most tattoos and would never get one myself

:thumb001:


but LOL @ attempting to link it to 'class'. Tattoos have been around for ages

What does them having been around for ages have to do with anything? I don't know why people think this logical fallacy is some sort of point. Drugs have been around for ages. So has the Old Testament. But so? You need more information than just that to know what you think of each, right? I mean, "been around for ages" is a vacuous statement disguised as some sort of point of consideration.


and not everyone subscribes to the Judaic notion that there's anything wrong with them.

Who's quoting Jewish ideas to support their opposition to tattoos?


Just because they're marked on the body doesn't mean that tattoos are inherently immodest or attention-seeking.

For some people they are a meaningful expression of their traditions, values or even just their creativity.

So an outward expression is not attention seeking? Then why "express" it?


Even if they aren't, oh well. If you honestly think you can judge someone's worth based on a bodily marking, maybe you're the one with the problem.

No one is judging anyone's worth. I said tattoos are often indicative of trashiness. Forgive me for having two eyes and a brain. Certain looks evoke stereotypes. Some of them are not desirable. That's the way the world works. People can either "rebel" like children or grow up. I mean, do you not get ideas about people based on whether or not they live in a delapidated trailer park? Or have sagged pants? Or have a bull ring in their nose with goth make-up? Or a golden grill? Of course, someone with any one of those characteristics may be a great person. But your Spider-sense still rightfully goes off (even if you choose to ignore it). While I don't regard tattoos as the worst thing you can do to your body, my opinion of them as trash symbols seems pretty justified.

Curtis24
02-23-2011, 05:33 AM
I think most girls today get some sort of tattoo. However, multiple ones or those that are prominent do turn me off. MOstly because I think that a girl with such tattoos probably isn't really in line with my own personality.

EDIT: I agree with Debaser that you can judge someone based on their tattoos. Isn't that why they got them in the first place? To make a statement about who they are? Not saying that girls with tattoos are worth less, or whatever, but certainly I think that those who get lots of tattoos/prominent tattoos probably get along better with other people who also get such tattoos.

Talvi
02-23-2011, 06:00 AM
Japanese tattoos once had quite a high influence of western nobility. King Geroge V of England, his sons the Duke of Clarence and the Duke of York, Danish king Frederik IX, King Edward VII...
Also Sir Winston Churchill, Roosevelt, Catherine the Great, English king Harold II, Czar Peter the Great were believe to be sporting tattoos.

What bothers me is are those amercan ideals of what is good and what is not and how they should influence people all over. We dont even have proper words to express what is "classy" or "trashy (though we might find one for that)" so why should I let such things confine me?

Also I could NEVER imagine myself liking/being with a guy who hates tattoos, and he would be the only guy whose opinion is ever really going to matter.

Fintorah
02-23-2011, 07:01 AM
I agree with basically everything Debaser has put out there. It's perfectly reasonable to make the connection between tattoos and trashiness, especially when the tattoos are noticeable. That's not to say I necessarily make that connection, but I'll immediately pass some sort of judgment on someone if I see a rainbow dragon tattoo on someone's back, especially if it wasn't necessarily projected by their personality. If I see a couple Chinese symbols, on the other hand, I'll interpret it as conformist frivolity. After all, the point of tattoos is to demonstrate creativity and uniqueness, and half the girls on MTV have silly zen tattoos.

Proto-European rune tattoos, on the other hand, I think I'd like, especially if they had an interesting meaning.

This dialogue reminds me of a scene from Rosemary's Baby, which came out in the 60's. Hutch, who epitomizes the older generation somewhat, classicism and all, notices that Rosemary's elderly neighbor, Roman, has his ears pierced. Apparently, this is supposed to be a key moment in the movie, "cluing you in" to Roman's potentially dark past. But it has a different effect depending on the generation. On first glance, I thought it was just lazy directing. But then I realized people who grew up in the 40's and 50's would have thought a man with a pierced ear was a rebel, or a deviant of some kind. And, for that time period, it was perfectly reasonable to think so. Men with pierced ears tended to be anarchistic and seditious. We all know stereotypes exist for a reason.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 07:21 AM
Trashy is much more fun than classy. Classy = vapid. True nobility would never be so insipid as to pose as merely classy. Classiness is for pretentious types like Mrs. Bucket in that old British sitcom.

I think you're confusing gaudy showiness with the pomp we all associate with traditional nobility. There is an important difference.


Japanese tattoos once had quite a high influence of western nobility. King Geroge V of England, his sons the Duke of Clarence and the Duke of York, Danish king Frederik IX, King Edward VII...
Also Sir Winston Churchill, Roosevelt, Catherine the Great, English king Harold II, Czar Peter the Great were believe to be sporting tattoos.

The fact that this is of any note concerning these historical figures actually gives credence to my point.

Regarding your point about the Japanese: not all tattoos or body markings are the same. There is a difference between a Hindu upholding a contiguous religious/cultural tradition shared by the totality of a civilization by having a red dot on his head and some hyper-individualistic person strolling into a tattoo parlor to get inked up under the guise of putting something of meaning on themselves when it's largely an excuse to garner attention and gratuitiously express themselves.


What bothers me is are those amercan ideals of what is good and what is not and how they should influence people all over.

Talk about scapegoating a nationality! Though in some ways I agree with the above sentiment about American hegemony and influence. It's too far-reaching. But it's funny that some of you people across the pond tend to express this vingary anti-American sentiment yet you folks generally seem all too happy to emulate our worst cultural vices and then some.


We dont even have proper words to express what is "classy" or "trashy (though we might find one for that)" so why should I let such things confine me?

Really? Classy is that nebulous of a concept to you? What are they teaching people in the schools these days? It certainly must not be anything involving Western values. There's a whole totality of Western literature where characters have been painstakingly crafted by genius authors to embody this very concept of class that you seem to have a hard time grasping.


Also I could NEVER imagine myself liking/being with a guy who hates tattoos, and he would be the only guy whose opinion is ever really going to matter.

Men are all too aware these days that women will not tolerate men who do not tell them what they want to hear, the truth be damned. This is hardly a surprising revelation. Sadly, you sound all too typical in terms of what it means to be a modern woman.

la bombe
02-23-2011, 07:25 AM
:thumb001:

Don't get too thumbsupy yet! While I don't really want a tattoo myself, I happen to love a man with nice tattoos. Especially sleeves. Maybe that makes me a low class, trashy whore by association or something.

Fintorah
02-23-2011, 07:30 AM
Don't get too thumbsupy yet! While I don't really want a tattoo myself, I happen to love a man with nice tattoos. Especially sleeves. Maybe that makes me a low class, trashy whore by association or something.

Does it make you randy, baby?

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 07:30 AM
Don't get too thumbsupy yet! While I don't really want a tattoo myself, I happen to love a man with nice tattoos. Especially sleeves. Maybe that makes me a low class, trashy whore by association or something.

What's the obession some women (you're the second one to do this in just this thread) have with draping themselves in the cloak of victimhood? You paint yourself as under attack when I did not attack you. Marry who you want. Just don't expect others to change their aesthetic sensibilities to spare your feelings.

Talvi
02-23-2011, 08:06 AM
I am not anti-amecrican, but I feel people these days learn more about the society from American TV shows and movies (and message boards) and then try to apply them to where they live, which may not work so well at all.

I know what "classy" means, just saying there is no real word for it in Estonian. Maybe it is really far fetched to you that some people dont have a word to express "classy" in their own language without it being some kind of a fucked up ridiculous sounding loan word. (if there is a word at all) Not to mention before Estonia was invaded there was no such thing as "classes", after several invasion Estonians were almost always the "lowest class", following the Soviet Union where "classes" were bad.

The idea of a some kind of a unified "west" or "western ideal" is imaginary.


Not to mention most whores, sluts and porn stars seem to be pretty tattoo-less. I dont know about the US, but in Europe, saying that most women are tattooed is a great exaggeration.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 08:24 AM
I am not anti-amecrican, but I feel people these days learn more about the society from American TV shows and movies (and message boards) and then try to apply them to where they live, which may not work so well at all.

I'm just saying you should take responsibility for your own country's appropriation of such values instead of evoking my country.


I know what "classy" means, just saying there is no real word for it in Estonian. Maybe it is really far fetched to you that some people dont have a word to express "classy" in their own language


I was addressing your regard for the concept, not the language issue with regards to your native tongue. You said that there is no word for it in Estonian "so why should I let such things confine me"?

So being a classy person isn't important to you because it's not directly translatable to Estonian?


without it being some kind of a fucked up ridiculous sounding loan word. (if there is a word at all)

The concept is not nebulous. Turning this into a word play ignores the heart of the issue.


Not to mention before Estonia was invaded there was no such thing as "classes",

Again.


after several invasion Estonians were almost always the "lowest class", following the Soviet Union where "classes" were bad.

The idea of a some kind of a unified "west" or "western ideal" is imaginary.

I never said the West didn't have wars among itself. I didn't need to know your country's history to know that and it hardly indicates that Western civilization doesn't share a larger culture relative to the rest of the world. If you don't at least believe that, I question why you're even on here in the first place because the mission statement assumes this to be true.



Not to mention most whores, sluts and porn stars seem to be pretty tattoo-less.

No. lol No.


I dont know about the US, but in Europe, saying that most women are tattooed is a great exaggeration.

I didn't say that most women are tattooed. I said that most modern women talk like you.

Talvi
02-23-2011, 08:47 AM
Yes, you are right, I am a horrible horrible modern woman who wants their significant other to like similar things and have similar ideas/values. How awful of me!
Because this is what i meant when I said I couldnt imagine liking a guy who hates tattoos.

I am here because I like Europe without trying to push it into some kind of a box.

And I still dont think that other peoples ideas of what is "classy" and what is "trashy", which I dont even agree with, should influence my life.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 09:14 AM
Yes, you are right, I am a horrible horrible modern woman

Putting words in my mouth accords you no respect. It just shows how childish you're willing to be because you don't like my opinion.


who wants their significant other to like similar things and have similar ideas/values. How awful of me!

Well, I could very well say the same regarding women who get tattoos or women who think that men can't have an opinion that offends women without the grapes of wrath being unleashed upon them. But notice how I don't play the victim game because you disagree with me the way you have with me.


Because this is what i meant when I said I couldnt imagine liking a guy who hates tattoos.

I am here because I like Europe without trying to push it into some kind of a box.

And I still dont think that other peoples ideas of what is "classy" and what is "trashy", which I dont even agree with, should influence my life.

If you could actually explain and justify your views about what is classy and what is not similar to how I've tried to do instead of acting with such false indignation toward my views, perhaps you'd accord your side a little respect. I don't just agree with people to be agreeable. I know people like you get bent out of shape when someone dares to unpleasantly point out how airheaded their beliefs and values apparently are, but the fact that you can't justify them in a rational way and instead choose to revert victim psychology speaks volumes.

Psychonaut
02-23-2011, 09:17 AM
http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/uploads/2007/09/pictish_woman.jpg

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 09:22 AM
http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/uploads/2007/09/pictish_woman.jpg


Read what I said about not all tattoos being the same. To compare that woman to 21st century Western woman (which I'm not necessarily accusing you of doing) is laughable.

Psychonaut
02-23-2011, 09:29 AM
Read what I said about not all tattoos being the same. To compare that woman to 21st century Western woman (which I'm not necessarily accusing you of doing) is laughable.

It's a resurgent cultural atavism—another glaring example of something that was part of European culture since the Neolithic rearing its head again after having been subdued by Jewish cultural norms imposed via Christianity.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 09:31 AM
It's a resurgent cultural atavism

The tattoos of today which manifest themselves in the form of hyper-individualist tendencies are very different in nature from my vantage point.

You give pop culture far too much credit, I think.

Psychonaut
02-23-2011, 09:41 AM
The tattoos of today which manifest themselves in the form of hyper-individualist tendencies are very different in nature from my vantage point.

What exactly is different about tattooing now as opposed to then? Given the commonality of tattooing nowadays, I'd hardly categorize it as hyper-individualist behavior. More and more it is re-becoming the accepted norm.

Talvi
02-23-2011, 09:53 AM
Men are all too aware these days that women will not tolerate men who do not tell them what they want to hear, the truth be damned. This is hardly a surprising revelation. Sadly, you sound all too typical in terms of what it means to be a modern woman.

Because I have no ideas where that even came from?! Because I like men who dont hate tattoos? Because I dont think every single mans opinion who play no role in my life should matter? Or you were totally misinterpreting what I said?


Thinking someone is trashy just because they are tattooed is just completely ridiculous. There are bad looking tattoos, and there are people who do it for lame reasons. I dont think the tattoos make the person, but the person makes the tattoos. Does this make sense? Its not the tattoos that make someone trashy, its who they are that make it trashy. Or at least should.

These two should be taken as a separate phenomena:

http://www.lethalwrestling.com/le/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/tramp-stamp-10.jpg

http://news.bmezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/727cb8d06.jpg

Im sure most men dont like it, but I fail to see a reason why someone should be loud and rude about it.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 09:59 AM
What exactly is different about tattooing now as opposed to then?

I don't think tattoos were the fashion accessory of an image craving, attention-seeking culture that they are today. They largely represent something different now, I think. They represent the "me" culture. As gross as I find it to be, when an African tribesman mutilates his body to make those little bumps in his skin, there is a deeper meaning to it than if some teenager or twenty something were to do it here in America. When a teenage retard stretches his ears out with those little rings, there's a reason we don't respect what he's done but MAY happen to respect that same aesthetic coming from some group who collectively does that as a part of some cultural meme. And I don't think that's insignificant that we instinctly feel that way. Context is important.


Given the commonality of tattooing nowadays, I'd hardly categorize it as hyper-individualist behavior.

This analysis seems to ignore intent. Yes, people who get tattoos today do largely tend to be huge sheeple. That doesn't mean their intent is not to standout in some way. In my experience, people want that image of being ahead of the curve (and being rebellous) without taking any of the actual risks (which come in the form of ridicule) of truly rebelling from norms. They delude themselves into thinking they are being rebellous when they are just conforming.

I doubt most people that tattoo themselves today would even feel the same way about tattoos if it were not acceptable to desire one.

Some warrior class all sharing the same identical tattoo in a show of cultural brotherhood while upholding tradition should in no way be compared to what kids are doing today (often times on a whim).


More and more it is re-becoming the accepted norm.

Don't I know it! The nature of the exchanges I've had with people on here is very telling. The very people who say "live and let live" take issue with my opinion. But my opinion is not stopping any of these people from actually getting tattoos nor does it advocate any forceful measures to stop them.

My view is not to make some sort of law forbiding tattoos. My own view is simply that they're trashy (the same way someone else may not like rap music or a post-modern piece of art from the likes of Warhol in relation to Beethoven or Van Gogh) and people have thrown the book at me for no other reason I can tell than that I have offended them (probably because some of them are tattooed up). They take arguments about aesthetics personally and seem to want me to repent or something. Talk about hypocrisy.

The very same people that want free range to think, say, and even do what they want to do don't seem to accord those same sentiments to people they disagree with. At the very least, opposing views sure seem to deeply bother them. Yet, I'm supposed to not be bothered by their thoughts. It's a huge double standard.

Debaser11
02-23-2011, 10:28 AM
Because I have no ideas where that even came from?!

People who have trouble seeing outside of themselves tend to not understand where criticisms directed at them are coming from.


Because I like men who dont hate tattoos?

Like who you want to like. That's not the point. My criticism was addressing your rather feminist "take me or leave me" attitude that is a pandemic among women and probably one of the main reasons the West is in such rapid decline. It's selfish when either gender does it, to be fair. But more often than not, a man who won't commit (and compromise) is seen as a coward within the mass media while a woman who does the same thing is portrayed as enpowered.


Because I dont think every single mans opinion who play no role in my life should matter?

Who says it should? My point spelled out is that women have very uncompromising sentiments (even on things as silly as tattoos, apparently) and seem to expect men to at least tacitly accept their views on such matters. These attitudes carry into all sorts of other topics such as childbirth which is why you have Western societies where birthrates are declining all the while some women into their 40s still want to be considered sex figures with viable careers who are "equal" to men. Nero played the violin as Rome burned or something like that. These things come at a cost even if we ignore them.


Or you were totally misinterpreting what I said?

I don't see how I could have, but it's possible.



Thinking someone is trashy just because they are tattooed is just completely ridiculous.

With all due respect, you are not reading my argument probably. I never said that someone is trashy because they have a tattoo. I said that tattoos are trashy. Those two sentences don't mean the same thing.



There are bad looking tattoos, and there are people who do it for lame reasons. I dont think the tattoos make the person, but the person makes the tattoos. Does this make sense?

To a degree. But I have yet to hear someone tell me about why they have tattoos who's impressed me. If they weren't seen as chic by the hip crowd among the lower classes, people wouldn't be getting them whereas some ancient European pagan would be getting a certain mark in the name of an ideal not susceptible to mass consumer culture. I'm sorry I respect the ancient European and not the modern. My intent is not to be hurtful. I just won't back down on my views so we can all feel good about ourselves.


Its not the tattoos that make someone trashy,

I quite agree. Class is more than just one's appearance. Absolutely. But tattoos usually make someone look more trashy than they would appear had they not gotten one. A black who sags his pants is not necessarily a violent, inarticulate, low IQ ape. But if I see a person that resembles that, my brain is processing them in a certain way for a reason.



These two should be taken as a separate phenomena:

http://www.lethalwrestling.com/le/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/tramp-stamp-10.jpg

http://news.bmezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/727cb8d06.jpg

Im sure most men dont like it, but I fail to see a reason why someone should be loud and rude about it.

I definitely am aware of this. The skeezers on the top are far from being the "eccentric" that's on the bottom. That being said, in my honest opinion regarding aesthetics, neither is desirable. If I had to chose between those two classes of women, then yes, the bottom one is by far better.

And my intent is not to be rude but to express my view. My view is that tattoos are trashy. People think I'm being rude because it offends them. I see no other way to express my view (free expression is something tattoo people like, no?) other than to offend certain people.

Talvi
02-23-2011, 10:45 AM
Yeah, you were misinterpreting me. Men today are paranoid that all women are evil feminists out to get them and try to find bad things in everything women say when it involves men. Honestly, thats something Im tired of.


My criticism was addressing your rather feminist "take me or leave me" attitude

This is silly. Im actually.. a little pierced, and I feel that it comes with the same territory as tattoos (like the latter girl on the pic I posted). The last thing I need is a significant other telling me Im gross, or what I like is or to tell me I need to take my piercings out or not to do any, which is pretty controlling. Why would I go for a guy who thinks its highly undesirable? It makes no sense. Of course I like men who like those things better, and most likely they will be much more compatible, too! How much would you change for a woman?

Its not a "take me of leave me" thing. Its a "if you take me and you know I have it you shouldnt whine and try to change it"

Jägerstaffel
02-23-2011, 11:52 PM
So basically, tattoos are trashy because people think they look trashy. But if people start to think that they aren't trashy - they're just caught up in the downward spiral of morality the west is headed.

But they're not trashy if Japanese people wear them because they've worn them since centuries ago. Never mind that Europeans did too, because at some point most of them stopped.

Oh and adorning oneself equates with attention seeking. I wonder if debaser wears any clothing with any patterns or colours? I hope he doesn't wear a watch or anything but the most plain pair of shoes. What an attention seeker. The world is in such a sad state!

Guapo
02-24-2011, 12:06 AM
The chick in my avatar is hotter than Piper.

Osweo
02-24-2011, 12:10 AM
Fuck's sake, Debaser, you gotta look at how you communicate with people! :eek:

Personally, I think a tattoo on a woman looks like a nasty scab or bit of dirt stuck to her. I look closer, realise, and thing to myself 'urgh, this is not really my sort of person'. But there are ways of talking about this.... ;)

I accept I'm not going to convince anyone; we live in the culture of subcultures today, and I don't see the road out of it. You can't go back, you just have to put your head down, beat the crap out of your own kids if they get a tattoo, and just get through this phase of history as best you can.

Grey
02-24-2011, 12:26 AM
I think tattoos are great, on women as well as men. The best I've seen were Yakuza tattoos:

http://tattoo.yoso.eu/http://tattoo.yoso.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/yakuza3.jpg

http://tattoo.yoso.eu/http://tattoo.yoso.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/yakuza_girl.jpg

http://tattoo.yoso.eu/http://tattoo.yoso.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/traditional_japanese_tattpp-682x1024.jpg

Source (http://yosotattoo.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/matsuri-yakuza-shintotattoos-history-and-culture-of-the-japanese-yakuza-tattoos-in-japan-and-personal-experiences/)

Very vibrant, and hardly trashy (I'd like something in that vein for myself, though chosen after great personal reflection.) There's nothing wrong with painting your inner self on your skin and it shouldn't matter if it makes you "trashy" in the eyes of a few stuck up Americans.

Sahson
02-24-2011, 12:36 AM
I'm not a fan of tattoos. I find that it's rather a nihilistic form of expression. I don't view a tattoo'd person as a respectable citizen. I don't judge them immediately on the basis of their tattoo's but it is a good indicator, I find.

Not only do I think it demonstrates a lacking ability to finance your money, but there also seems to be a strong correlation with the amount of tattoo's to the person's personality being candid and irreverent. However I am talking about the general Australian populace here.

Osweo
02-24-2011, 12:40 AM
I'm a stuck up American. :usa2: Ahem, Yippee Ki Yay.

Debaser11
02-24-2011, 06:24 AM
Yeah, you were misinterpreting me. Men today are paranoid that all women are evil feminists out to get them and try to find bad things in everything women say when it involves men. Honestly, thats something Im tired of.

All I did was quote your words back to you and tell you what I thought of them.


This is silly. Im actually.. a little pierced, and I feel that it comes with the same territory as tattoos (like the latter girl on the pic I posted). The last thing I need is a significant other telling me Im gross,

I wouldn't say you're gross holistically due to your tattoos anymore than a man MAY think of an overweight woman as being gross or a women would think of a man as being holistically gross for having a ton of back hair. Should such people reject someone out of hand because they may find some fault with their appearance? By your logic, yes. I find your grounds for dismissal shallow. Sorry. I'm just being honest. It's not like I'm trying to be ugly. It's just a discussion about aesthetics. Don't take it personally.

My opinion is that many women are beautiful in spite of what they do to themselves cosmetically. Honestly, why is a man's opinion about tattoos such a high form of consideration for you?


or what I like is or to tell me I need to take my piercings out or not to do any, which is pretty controlling.

No one is advocating male domination over you. The simple fact of the matter is that you sound like someone who expects a man to feel the same way as you do about things right down to matters of aesthetics. Now that doesn't seem to leave a lot of room for compromise on other matters that should carry much more weight. Unless you're telling me you're willing to compromise on matters like morality and spirituality, but not the tattoo issue. But somehow that doesn't seem likely.


Why would I go for a guy who thinks its highly undesirable? It makes no sense.

How much of a make or break attitude you place on someone's opinion about tattoos is what's puzzling to me.


Of course I like men who like those things better,

By default? lol Nothing else comes into the equation?


and most likely they will be much more compatible, too! How much would you change for a woman?

I'd be willing to compromise more for a woman than you apparently are willing to do for a man if how he feels about tattoos is such an issue for you. Men compromise on MUCH bigger issues (such as how many children his family will have) all the time.


Its not a "take me of leave me" thing. Its a "if you take me and you know I have it you shouldnt whine and try to change it"

Stop contaminating the discussion with loaded words like that. We're talking about people's attitudes and opinions about a subject. It's a discussion. No one is saying it's okay to whine about someone having a tattoo. If a man married a tatted up woman and then complained about it, he'd deserve a bit of an asskicking, I'd say. But simply expressing one's distaste concerning tattoos is not me whining anymore than you are by expressing your disapproval of my views.


So basically, tattoos are trashy because people think they look trashy.

Slow down, Ms. Relativist. That's like saying "so basically, trailer parks are trashy because people think they look trashy." Trailer parks represent something to people the same way tattoos do. It's often indicative of someone's line of thought just as a person sagging their pants is often indicative of their line of thought. They are more often than not a reflection of certain attitudes that many people rightfully deem undesirable. Once upon a time, the view of one's body being a temple was more common. I would not write on the walls of a temple.


But if people start to think that they aren't trashy - they're just caught up in the downward spiral of morality the west is headed.

When considering the manner in which tattoos have become manifest in pop culture today, I find the above to be more or less true. It's obviously not a popular view. But neither is hating rap music, vulgar sex references, reality television, etc.


But they're not trashy if Japanese people wear them because they've worn them since centuries ago.

Context matters and I've already explained why. If you're too thick to at least address my reasoning that I already gave to support my view on this point, reiterating my reasoning seems rather pointless.


Never mind that Europeans did too, because at some point most of them stopped.

So are you getting in touch with your ancestors or something by inking yourself up? Or are you tattooing yourself in some ritualistic manner to show your deep commitment to a walk of life or a people/civilization? The context for a Japanese or an Ancient European receiving a tattoo is very different than what exists today. Tattoos today are largely about glorification of the individual (directly and indirectly), not a combination of organic spiritual and communal strength. There's a huge difference between getting a tattoo to show solidity and getting one to distinguish yourself in some cheap manner.


Oh and adorning oneself equates with attention seeking.

Absolutely.


I wonder if debaser wears any clothing with any patterns or colours?

I didn't say that wanting to look nice (or even wanting to attention) is necessarily a vice in and of itself. Beauty is a virtue, afterall. It's all how one goes about doing it. There's a reason we don't say Beethoven is an attention whore (he wanted lots of people hear his music still; he wanted attention) and Kanye West is one. There's a reason we think of someone like Katherine Hepburn as classy and timeless and not Lady Gaga.

There is a fine line between exterior maintenance and vanity. Between accentuating what nature gave you while still maintaining an heir of modesty and being cheap. Between being classy and being gaudy.


I hope he doesn't wear a watch or anything but the most plain pair of shoes. What an attention seeker. The world is in such a sad state!

Why do you conflate a care for one's appearance with showiness? Yes. I comb my hair. I shave. I wear nice clothes. That projects something very different than an individual going out and inking themselves up to standout in such a gaudy manner.


I expressed a view. You don't like it. That's it. Why do you feel the need to reprimand me for my simple opinion about tattoos? You flippantly told me what you thought about much more serious matters (gay marriage, abortion) and seemed to not worry at all whether or not your views offended me. Yet, I'm supposed to walk on nails when expressing my view about something as relatively trivial as tattoos simply because it hits a little close to home?


Fuck's sake, Debaser, you gotta look at how you communicate with people! :eek:


I've said this before and I'll say it again. I'm offending people because they don't like my aesthetic opinion. That's it. I made the assertion that tattoos are trashy. That's basically it. I never said people can't think differently from me. I never said that people should not be able to get tattoos. I never said that getting tattoos makes a single individual trashy by default.


Pretend this conversation were about mullets and someone said "mullets are trashy." Would anyone blink? Of course not. Everyone would laugh and jeer and chime in their agreement. Why is it so different when someone expresses an unpopular point of view? Because it offends some over defensive posters incapable of separating their own status from the line of argument at hand?


Personally, I think a tattoo on a woman looks like a nasty scab or bit of dirt stuck to her. I look closer, realise, and thing to myself 'urgh, this is not really my sort of person'. But there are ways of talking about this.... ;)

I've had the same experiences. The fact that you had that initial reaction is meaningful, though.

I do not varnish my opinion to make people happy. But I also don't believe in trying to be mean-spirited for the sake of being mean-spirited. So if I met a random girl who had tattoos I would not go out of my way to say things I've said on this thread. But on a discussion forum, which I assume (maybe incorrectly) to permit more candidness (given pictures I see of people's bare asses and whatnot) I feel that my thoughts are not breaking any sense of decor. They're just inherently offensive to people who think differently.


I accept I'm not going to convince anyone; we live in the culture of subcultures today, and I don't see the road out of it. You can't go back, you just have to put your head down, beat the crap out of your own kids if they get a tattoo, and just get through this phase of history as best you can.

Haha...I'll drink to that. You know, I'm not Debaser in real life. :) I come on here to express myself because I cannot in real life.

alexandra
02-24-2011, 11:26 AM
It seems to me that it's largely women who think they look good. Well, that figures. One thing I've noticed is that tattoos seem to be a class thing. It seems like the more lower class a person is, the greater the likelihood that they'll not just have a tattoo, but several. It's body graffiti. It also reeks of immodesty. "Look at me, look at me. I'm drawing attention to myself."

i tend to hate a lot of people that are heavily tattooed, even though we have that in common. some of them can be real scumbags. so can people without a mark on their body.

so, although i don't wholly disagree with you...being heavily tattooed myself, i'm going to have to respectfully beg to differ. it's one thing to have personal ideas about tattoos, but to lump every heavily tattooed person into one category is kind of silly. i would expect something a little different from you; i like reading your posts. i guess this isn't something you're open-minded about. fair enough. :)

i'm curious as to whether you have you met a lot of heavily tattooed people? and in what type of setting?

Bloodeagle
02-24-2011, 12:19 PM
I am not a big fan of heavily tattooed women, but I do not really care one way or another if a woman chooses to become tattooed.
Just because someone chooses to fancy something that I find unattractive, does not mean that I would judge them as being any less human than myself.
I've got more important things to worry about than whether or not the lady next door has a tattoo - I mean talk about a victimless crime! :rolleyes:

Osweo
02-24-2011, 06:55 PM
I mean talk about a victimless crime! :rolleyes:

A crime against traditional notions of propriety and aesthetics is a crime against the entire Folk! :....











:cool:

Bloodeagle
02-24-2011, 07:35 PM
A crime against traditional notions of propriety and aesthetics is a crime against the entire Folk! :....











:cool:

OH MY, HERE WE GO, AGAIN! :rolleyes:

Brynhild
02-24-2011, 07:59 PM
I'm a tad confused. If this remark isn't contradictory, I don't know what is! :confused:


No one is judging anyone's worth. I said tattoos are often indicative of trashiness.

In my mind, that is upholding an opinion of worth. Debaser, most people have stopped arguing with you and for valid reasons. You're just too blinkered in your own views to see the validity of others.

Debaser11
02-24-2011, 09:01 PM
i tend to hate a lot of people that are heavily tattooed, even though we have that in common.

This is a totally different matter. My points had nothing to do with hating anyone for their appearance. Just to be clear.


some of them can be real scumbags. so can people without a mark on their body.

Absolutely.


so, although i don't wholly disagree with you...being heavily tattooed myself, i'm going to have to respectfully beg to differ.

I'm confused. I know I sound like a jerk but I'm just being honest. I again want to make clear that I don't think a person is trashy by default for having tattoos.


it's one thing to have personal ideas about tattoos, but to lump every heavily tattooed person into one category is kind of silly.

I don't think I did that. My generalized opinions are about tattoos themselves. Not every person with a tattoo. But I did say that tattoos by their nature tend to (but do not necessarily) reflect something about an individual's personality (whether it be vanity, immodesty, etc.) that is not attractive to me.


i would expect something a little different from you; i like reading your posts. i guess this isn't something you're open-minded about. fair enough. :)

Well, thank you kindly. I do appreciate that.

Regarding how open-minded I am: my point of view is one of the most unpopular ones on the thread. How do you think I came to having such unpopular views? By being closed-minded? It's a myth that open-mindedness and tolerance are one in the same but that's how they're used.

But as far as being tolerant, I honestly feel that I come across as being more intolerant than I actually am (if you will permit yet another bit of immodesty on my part) because in this thread we're having an in depth discussion about tattoos. I just feel like a discussion forum is the time and place for such a frank discussion if ever there were a time and place. If I were going out bowling with a group of friends (and yes, some of my friends have tattoos), this would not be coming to the surface at all.

I don't know how aware of this phenomenon you are, but many conservative-minded people have learned to bite their tongues just to cope with existence as they leave their house. If they said all the things they really thought, they'd be run out of town with pitchforks. A job would completely be out of the question, in most cases. Many of them have truly learned to live and let live. They have had to to stay sane! Heh. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit. Maybe it's really just a form of socialized natural selection.

But many of them are capable of completely fooling just about anyone about their political/philosophical leanings. I know because I've had a friend or two who for years thought the same way about subjects as I do now. Though we agree on many issues now, we wouldn't have years ago but we were still very close. Obviously now, we're even closer. But I never would have guessed how differently we saw the world say...ten years ago. They completely had me fooled. I thought they were basically just like me in terms of our worldview. I had the typical airheaded "enlightened" college views that every kid today expouses while they literally bit their tongues the whole way through college and even managed to keep their frustrations in check around a friend like me who would have disagreed with them too. There would have been nasty arguments had they not. And I would have been on the wrong side of it because no institution bothered to teach me logic and true even handedness (though liberals like "equality") when evaluating a point. So anyways...Big tangent, but I want you to know where I'm coming from on this matter.

It's definitely more acceptable to be an "open-minded" liberal type than an open-to-reason, unpopular conservative. There needs to be a term for conservatives like my friends today who go under the radar. Maybe "conservative khameleons" or "closet conservatives" or something. Anyways...

So again, the internet is sort of where I get to take the gloves off and just speak my mind. And I've noticed it does bother people. But that's not my intent.



i'm curious as to whether you have you met a lot of heavily tattooed people? and in what type of setting?

I used to live near Austin, TX if that's any hint. But yes. It's gotten to the point where I think a person who is not tattooed is a bit of an aberration in certain areas within my demographic.:p


I'm a tad confused. If this remark isn't contradictory, I don't know what is! :confused:

In my mind, that is upholding an opinion of worth.

It's not. Aesthetics in and of themselves can be trashy. I'll use my mullet example again. Almost anyone without even thinking would say that mullets are trashy. It's FUNNY to make fun of mullets. But would you honestly say that that means a man with a mullet is trashy by default just because he has a trashy hairdo? I wouldn't. I distinguish between a person's character and a trashy aesthetic. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.




Debaser, most people have stopped arguing with you and for valid reasons. You're just too blinkered in your own views to see the validity of others.

Couldn't resist taking a personal shot at me, eh?:D

Brynhild
02-24-2011, 09:14 PM
Couldn't resist taking a personal shot at me, eh?:D

You've proven my previous point succinctly. Why do you think any of us are here? To express a particular view that might normally take offence in real life among the more PC folk. This forum isn't just about your views, you know. You've been told about how you express your views for a reason and from more than one source. Perhaps it's time for you to reassess how you do so. Now if you want to call this another personal shot at you, then fine. I think you need to grow a thicker layer of skin.

Debaser11
02-24-2011, 09:35 PM
You've proven my previous point succinctly. Why do you think any of us are here? To express a particular view that might normally take offence in real life among the more PC folk. This forum isn't just about your views, you know.

I never said it was about my views. I just respond to what people say about my views. What are you implying here? It sounds to me like you want me to go away because you don't like me in which case the criticism you directed at me is completely pertinent to you.


You've been told about how you express your views for a reason and from more than one source.

I would expect you to change the subject of our exchange (which was about tattoos). But you should know it's the most graceless way to admit you have nothing to add.


Perhaps it's time for you to reassess how you do so. Now if you want to call this another personal shot at you, then fine. I think you need to grow a thicker layer of skin.

Is the mud pit lonely or something?

Jägerstaffel
02-25-2011, 01:10 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3305/3496276018_a1b94fb8c9.jpg?v=0

Channeling Marcus. Original intent of thread > this debate.

Adalwolf
02-25-2011, 01:33 AM
^ Sorry, but I just cannot comprehend how anyone could think that looks attractive on a woman.

Breedingvariety
02-25-2011, 06:14 AM
I don't mind few tattoos on a body. I might find it sexy. But all body painted with tattoos looks horrible both on men and women.

Talvi
02-25-2011, 08:11 PM
http://rookery3.viary.com/storagev12/1393000/1393232_65f2_625x1000.jpg
I bet shes real cool, too.

Beorn
02-25-2011, 10:06 PM
http://dailypicdump.com/data/images/2010/04/01/006160.jpg

alexandra
02-25-2011, 10:14 PM
This is a totally different matter. My points had nothing to do with hating anyone for their appearance. Just to be clear.

i don't know, when i call someone trashy, i don't usually like them. maybe i'm practicing some solipsism here...just sayin'.



I'm confused. I know I sound like a jerk but I'm just being honest. I again want to make clear that I don't think a person is trashy by default for having tattoos.


perhaps i misinterpreted then, but that's the impression i got. i'm relieved to know you don't think everyone is trashy by default just because they have tattoos. and honesty is good. i'd much rather prefer that.



I don't think I did that. My generalized opinions are about tattoos themselves. Not every person with a tattoo. But I did say that tattoos by their nature tend to (but do not necessarily) reflect something about an individual's personality (whether it be vanity, immodesty, etc.) that is not attractive to me.


you don't think your opinions seeped into your generalization just a widdle bit?


anyways, i'm not trying to start some bullshit argument, just trying to understand your opinion better. i am relieved to know you're not blindly declaring all of us heavily tattooed people as scumbags smoking meth in a trailer listening to anthrax.

Beorn
02-25-2011, 10:27 PM
Btw, I had meant to raise this on a previous visit, but have any members here with tattoos and children experienced the period between child and parent where the child copies the parent in drawing upon their body?

Both my daughter and son have asked persistent questions about my tattoo, and have on both occasions compelled them to draw similar patterns upon themselves in marker pens.

My daughter was more colourful with her copies (she incorporated both white and red), whilst my son merely made two black crosses upon his forearms.

I was interested to see if anyone else experienced this.

tired
02-26-2011, 02:01 AM
Btw, I had meant to raise this on a previous visit, but have any members here with tattoos and children experienced the period between child and parent where the child copies the parent in drawing upon their body?

Both my daughter and son have asked persistent questions about my tattoo, and have on both occasions compelled them to draw similar patterns upon themselves in marker pens.

My daughter was more colourful with her copies (she incorporated both white and red), whilst my son merely made two black crosses upon his forearms.

I was interested to see if anyone else experienced this.

my father has tattoos , when I turned 18 , I got my first tattoo

Debaser11
02-26-2011, 03:25 AM
i don't know, when i call someone trashy, i don't usually like them. maybe i'm practicing some solipsism here...just sayin'.

Well, that's the problem. Everyone takes my aesthetic opinions personally. I'm talking about tattoos and people are making it about them because I guess they think my opinions automatically imply something about how I'd view them as people. There's much more to people than fashion and skin.

So yeah, they get mad at me. And then explain that they don't give a rat's about my opinion...blahblah...Well, why waste any time responding if you (not you in particular) don't care, right?

It's confusing.



perhaps i misinterpreted then, but that's the impression i got. i'm relieved to know you don't think everyone is trashy by default just because they have tattoos. and honesty is good. i'd much rather prefer that.

Again, this happens when an argument is personalized instead of being seen for what it is by itself. Some individuals can't be objective. They immediately get defensive even though I never attacked anyone. I ridiculed tattoos. That's it. I just expressed my honest opinion about tattoos. And now it's like I'm a snob. Is there no look that you find trashy? If there is some look you do find to be trashy and then you tell me about, can I pretend to be outraged and offended too?

Defensiveness is not attractive, either. I never once said that tattoos make the person. I wrote that they are often indicative of a person, though.

Pretend this conversation were about hairdos or fashion or about living in a trailer or any other thing that people may label as "trashy." My aunt lived in a trailer park. It was trashy. She is not trashy.


you don't think your opinions seeped into your generalization just a widdle bit?

Of course they are. I never claimed to be expressing anything other than my opinion on the subject.



anyways, i'm not trying to start some bullshit argument, just trying to understand your opinion better. i am relieved to know you're not blindly declaring all of us heavily tattooed people as scumbags smoking meth in a trailer listening to anthrax.

Nah, of course not. I'm not the one doing the projecting here.

Jägerstaffel
02-26-2011, 03:31 AM
http://crazyhotpictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/HotGirlsWithTats5.jpg

Baron Samedi
02-26-2011, 06:05 AM
Really sick and tired of the conservative faggots posting on this thread.

If you don't like ink on bitches, then don't fucking post here. It's that simple.

Adalwolf
02-26-2011, 07:03 AM
And I am really tired of the liberal faggots getting their panties in a knot every time some one has an opinion contrary to theirs. Grow up, bud. After all we are on a discussion forum here.

Debaser11
02-26-2011, 07:20 AM
Really sick and tired of the conservative faggots posting on this thread.

If you don't like ink on bitches, then don't fucking post here. It's that simple.

Fascist.

AussieScott
02-26-2011, 07:46 AM
http://rookery3.viary.com/storagev12/1393000/1393232_65f2_625x1000.jpg
I bet shes real cool, too.

She looks hot, just a tip don't get tattoos on your belly or boobs if your going to have babies.

Baron Samedi
02-26-2011, 01:08 PM
And I am really tired of the liberal faggots getting their panties in a knot every time some one has an opinion contrary to theirs. Grow up, bud. After all we are on a discussion forum here.

How about you suck my ass, "bud".

Why even post/waste your own time with a subject you absolutely despise?

Yeah, because those of us that like tats really REALLY care about your opinion on the matter!

Discussing morality/who is/isn't trashy in a thread that pertains to tats on chicks = fucking lame. I can walk next door in my neighborhood and hear the same drivel from the old, soppy cunts that live next to me if I wanted to.....

Adalwolf
02-26-2011, 04:21 PM
How about you suck my ass, "bud".

Lol. Am I in an argument with a twelve year old now?


Why even post/waste your own time with a subject you absolutely despise?

I absolutely despise miscegenation, and I ''waste'' my time replying on threads pertaining to that. What exactly is your point?


Yeah, because those of us that like tats really REALLY care about your opinion on the matter!

I'm glad to hear it! :)

I just wish I could say the same about your immature, emotion fueled responses.


Discussing morality/who is/isn't trashy in a thread that pertains to tats on chicks = fucking lame.

You want to know what is truly lame? A person like you on a European preservationist forum who types like some kind of negro-poser.


I can walk next door in my neighborhood and hear the same drivel from the old, soppy cunts that live next to me if I wanted to.....

Maybe you should listen to what they have to say? It might do you a world of good....

Heretik
02-26-2011, 04:28 PM
The only difference between tattooed people and non-tattooed people is that tattooed people don't give a shit that you don't have tattoos!

Debaser11
02-26-2011, 05:06 PM
Discussing morality/who is/isn't trashy in a thread that pertains to tats on chicks = fucking lame.

Well, when you put it that way, Salinger.

Are you a double major in English and mathematics?

Debaser11
02-26-2011, 05:46 PM
The only difference between tattooed people and non-tattooed people is that tattooed people don't give a shit that you don't have tattoos!

So they are an indiscriminate bunch!


And, for some reason, people today take such a commentary about their own mental vacuity to be a compliment. Crazy times. It's cool to not "give a shit" (a.k.a have a thoughtful opinion on a subject). It conveys such "attitude" and hip nihilism much like tattoos themselves. lol

Raskolnikov
02-27-2011, 01:56 AM
http://rookery3.viary.com/storagev12/1393000/1393232_65f2_625x1000.jpg
I bet shes real cool, too.
I don't think that's real.

http://rookery9.aviary.com.s3.amazonaws.com/4025000/4025336_c9c4_625x1000.jpg
http://rookery9.aviary.com.s3.amazonaws.com/4055000/4055000_ec67_625x1000.jpg
http://rookery.s3.amazonaws.com/1088000/1088252_21f3_625x1000.jpg
http://rookery.s3.amazonaws.com/1079000/1079182_4378_625x1000.jpg
http://rookery.s3.amazonaws.com/1080000/1080170_a6fe_625x1000.jpg

My thought was actually that she didn't look like someone who would get one.


The only difference between tattooed people and non-tattooed people is that tattooed people don't give a shit that you don't have tattoos!
Being a hip nihilist, I don't care, but I get sick of these consumer quests, and people seem to care quite a lot that I don't have tattoos.

Brynhild
02-27-2011, 02:06 AM
Btw, I had meant to raise this on a previous visit, but have any members here with tattoos and children experienced the period between child and parent where the child copies the parent in drawing upon their body?

Both my daughter and son have asked persistent questions about my tattoo, and have on both occasions compelled them to draw similar patterns upon themselves in marker pens.

My daughter was more colourful with her copies (she incorporated both white and red), whilst my son merely made two black crosses upon his forearms.

I was interested to see if anyone else experienced this.

My 18 y.o. has been interested in tattoos for years, through me, along with my father and brother. He's still looking for one that he won't regret having and that will fit with who he is. My other two children don't seem interested either way. You can have two non-tattooed parents and yet come across a child who will go against the norm. So in my case, I have differences of opinion from all of them.

Austin
02-27-2011, 02:26 AM
For me, any woman that looks good with a tattoo, looks even better without one. Maybe a subtle anklet tattoo isn't so bad...


/Agree



Texas has the worst of what I will refer to as 'Western female tattoo degeneracy'.

Texas youth (and to a greater extent U.S. youth in general) adopt all of the neo-social-left aspects such as drugs/tattoo's/other whilst missing completely the sophistication, social adherence and civility of core-leftist doctrine. Such is what happens in a conservative society where a foreign ideology is unleashed onto a populace. That populace then intentionally absorbs what they like from it whilst completely negating the rest of it, usually the very parts to which are worthwhile in the first place.

Add social leftism to a conservative drinking culture and what you get is mass-degeneracy on a scale that one has to see to believe. The number of small town girls who have tatt'd themselves up and become nothing more than degenerate bar-fiend, single mothers is simply astounding. I suppose it is a removal of the average imbecile from possible future progression and or competition in the workplace but it does seem hard to stomach sometimes as the average young girl stands little chance against coming out unscathed from today's degenerate social leftism considering her average intelligence and gullibility.


Also to those who say you can get a good job with a visible tattoo.......

L O L ! ! !

People were saying views on tattoo's were changing 30 years ago. Most people still think they are for idiots in the real world. Once you get beyond the college crowd sucker-base it dawns on you all that was a bunch of nonsense and nobody really believes tattoo's are acceptable out in the workforce.....unless you work at McDonald's.