South Europeans = mix race Caucasoid

[ButlerKing]

If people from Caucasus region isn't European genetically than people of Caucasus region and South Europe should all fall into the mix race categories. It doesn't matter if they are 3/4 European or 1/4 European because that be like saying mix race people who are only 1/4 Asian or 1/4 Black are more European than pure caucasoid with less european admixture

The Caucasus region have more west Asian blood than European where as the South European region have less Caucasoid blood than Caucasus

West Asian

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/West-Asian-admixture.gif


African

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif


Gedrosian

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Gedrosian-admixture.gif


Southwest Asian

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

[Bobby Martnen]

All of those fall under Caucasian

African probably means north african, not subsaharan

[ButlerKing]

For example Greeks, Sicily South Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, Albanians, Romanians, Balkans should all be considered mix race.

Greeks and South/Central Italians have 20 - 30% West Asian admixture combine it with other non-european and they be like 30-40% non-European

Russians have 18-20% West Asian and 5 - 12% Siberian Mongoloid blood

Romanians and Hungarians have 37-45% NON-EUROPEAN BLOOD. I hope anyone isn't stupid enough to still "plot closer" to Europeans crap because in any genetic graph it still shows they are only somewhat closer to North Europe and plot far less than British, Irish, Norwegian to north Europe

http://i48.tinypic.com/2b9ugn.jpg

[Kamal900]

If people from Caucasus region isn't European genetically than people of Caucasus region and South Europe should all fall into the mix race categories. It doesn't matter if they are 3/4 European or 1/4 European because that be like saying mix race people who are only 1/4 Asian or 1/4 Black as European.

The Caucasus region have more west Asian blood than European where as the South European region have less Caucasoid blood than Caucasus

West Asian

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/West-Asian-admixture.gif


African

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif


Gedrosian

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Gedrosian-admixture.gif


Southwest Asian

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/101/781/Y0UJC.png

[ButlerKing]

Also let's not forget this important information and this cyprus who are considered part of Europe and member of E.U ( European Union ) have less European genetic materials than the entire Caucasus region who are a mixture of Near East and European themselves.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5255/pcacaucasus.png

[ButlerKing]

And even than not all North Europeans are pure Europeans. Finns have 6 - 15% Mongoloid blood and half of their Y-DNA are related with Mongoloids from Siberia as are their language. They have no connection with 80-90% of European languages except for their autosomal DNA, including all their mtDNA and more than half of their Y-DNA

http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/N.png


The only reason why they cluster with Europeans is because North European make up the vast majority of components but in a racial sense not only are they not pure but are 1/20 to 1/10 Mongoloid.


So who is closer to Mongoloid....the Finns or Georgian/Armenian ? the answer would be Finns because Georgian/Armenians have no mongoloid blood.


So who is more closer to being a mix race caucasoid/mongoloid? the answer would be Finns again


Would you think a half black boy or half Asian boy deserves to be more closer to European/White if he had 50% European gene than a pure Caucasoid with 35% European and 65% West Asian material?????


Either decide or live with the eternal contradiction

[Anglojew]

Wow, you're English is terrible

[ButlerKing]

Wow, you're English is terrible

Just like many British youth man. People have learning disabilities.


( Mind you this article does not only means immigrants )

' British youth can't read or write, business leader claims in immigrants jobs row '
Too many young people are unable to read, write or communicate properly and do not work hard,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8610340/British-youth-cant-read-or-write-business-leader-claims-in-immigrants-jobs-row.html

[Anglojew]

Just like many British youth man. People have learning disabilities.


( Mind you this article does not only means immigrants )

' British youth can't read or write, business leader claims in immigrants jobs row '
Too many young people are unable to read, write or communicate properly and do not work hard,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8610340/British-youth-cant-read-or-write-business-leader-claims-in-immigrants-jobs-row.html

The problem with your defense is you can clearly read and write.

[HellLander87]

If you consider southern europeans to be of mixed race then all europeans are of mixed race.All europeans have the same components in dna tests, just at different proportions.

[Äijä]

And even than not all North Europeans are pure Europeans. Finns have 6 - 15% Mongoloid blood and half of their Y-DNA are related with Mongoloids from Siberia as are their language. They have no connection with 80-90% of European languages accept for their autosomal DNA, including all their mtDNA and more than half of their Y-DNA

http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/N.png


The only reason why they cluster with Europeans is because North European make up the vast majority of components but in a racial sense not only are they not pure but are 1/20 to 1/10 Mongoloid.


So is closer to Mongoloid a Finn or a Georgian/Armenian ? the answer would be Finns because Georgian/Armenians have no mongoloid blood.


So who is more closer to being a mix race caucasoid/mongoloid? the answer would be Finns again


Is a half black boy or half Asian boy more closer to European/White if he had 50% European gene than Caucasoid with 35% European and 65% West Asian material?????


Either decide or live with the eternal contradiction

Maybe study some more, the Siberian component is a mixed component itself with European admix on the Siberians, Finnish language is more related to IE languages not Mongolian, it is not my opinion but a scientific fact.
I dont know what type of complex you have or what you are mixed with but dont project it on people that are pure Europeans.
You must be one ugly fuck with some really mixed blood.

[cally]

This thread has been done to death.

[ButlerKing]

Maybe study some more, the Siberian component is a mixed component itself with European admix on the Siberians, Finnish language is more related to IE languages not Mongolian, it is not my opinion but a scientific fact.
I dont know what type of complex you have or what you are mixed with but dont project it on people that are pure Europeans.
You must be one ugly fuck with some really mixed blood.


The Siberian component reaches 90-100% in MANY pure Mongoloid tribes in Siberia but always reaches the lowest in caucasoid population
Uralic language is in no way close to European but there was a hypothesis that maybe a larger language family that includes Turkic and Altaic.

WHERE IS YOUR SO CALLED SCIENTIFIC FACT?

If it's a mixed component why don't they look Kazakh or some crap like that? The ones close to 100% Siberian always look extremely mongoloid

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TNYwfThz81I/AAAAAAAAC10/Jaq1P436tSQ/s1600/1ips07-Nganasan.jpg.

[Gaston]

Everybody is mixed. If you don't remember the last major paper in population genetics (Lazaridis et al.), Europeans are the result of at least 4 races:

1 Western Hunter-gatherers (darker skin, light eyes, lactose intolerant)
2 Ancient North Eurasians (dark skin)
Early European farmer (mix of WHG, 3 Near Eastern neolithic and 4 Basal Eurasians races: light skin and dark eyes/hair)

And, for some Europeans 5 African ancestry (indirectly), 6 Siberian (East Asian) and maybe more rarely and recently (like Princess Diana and her sons) some 7 ASI ancestry.

[ButlerKing]

Everybody is mixed. If you don't remember the last major paper in population genetics (Lazaridis et al.), Europeans are the results of at least 4 races:

1 Western Hunter-gatherers (darker skin, light eyes, lactose intolerant)
2 Ancient North Eurasians (dark skin)
Early European farmer (mix of WHG, 3 Near Eastern neolithic and 4 Basal Eurasians races: light skin and dark eyes/hair)

And, for some Europeans 5 African ancestry (indirectly), 6 Siberian (East Asian) and maybe more rarely and recently (like Princess Diana and her sons) some 7 ASI ancestry.

I completely agree. The point I trying to make is that people of the Caucasus region are just as European because they have high frequencies of both European and West Asian. And South Europe have substantial frequencies of west Asian including moderate frequencies of Southwest Asia, African ect

Some of the members keep making claims Caucasus aren't European enough but than what makes Greeks and Italian European? the only difference like you said it's mixed in different proportions.

[Kiyant]

Finns and other Finno-Ugrics are the oldest europeans together with the Basque

[RussiaPrussia]

so slavs the real aryan?

[ButlerKing]

Finns and other Finno-Ugrics are the oldest europeans together with the Basque

According to Russian anthropology the Finno-Ugrics were Mongoloid Siberians and the ancestors of Finns and Saami were western Uralics who are 30% Mongoloid this explains why the Finns and Saami have more still somewhat component similar to Siberians the vast majority are no different to those living in East Europe and North Europe.

Finns in terms of mtDNA are 100% similar to the swedes and Norwegian

[Tropico]

Butler king doesn't even have proper grammar. This kid is NOT British by birth.

[Argang]

Armenians and Georgians cluster with Turks, so they should be considered equally "European" genetically.

https://sites.google.com/site/fennobga/CLRawWorld.png

Of course that's just for anthrofora, in reality "genetic European" isn't a thing.

[ButlerKing]

Armenians and Georgians cluster with Turks, so they should be considered equally "European" genetically.

https://sites.google.com/site/fennobga/CLRawWorld.png

Of course that's just for anthrofora, in reality "genetic European" isn't a thing.

I agree most Turks should be included like 80% of them except for the Turanid types with 12 - 18% Mongoloid admixture.

Turkish Turks do have high European admixture like 35-40%.

Every Caucasoid with 25% - 50% European admixture should be considered European same for those who have 25 - 50% west Asian

[Argang]

Every Caucasoid with 25% - 50% European admixture should be considered European same for those who have 25 - 50% west Asian

Nah, Armenians cluster closer to Egyptians and Bedouins than Europeans, so they should be considered Middle Easterners. ;)

[ButlerKing]

Nah, Armenians cluster closer to Egyptians and Bedouins than Europeans, so they should be considered Middle Easterners. ;)

No they don't. Armenians cluster closest to all ethnicities in the Caucasus regions. Cyprus cluster more to Egyptians the Europeans and why not just claim Greeks and Italians are mixture of European and Middle easterner aswell if Armenians are middle easterner?


NORTH AFRICAN ARE DIFFERENT they have components that are very distinct from those of Europe and Middle east so it's best to leave them alone

[ButlerKing]

Don't get me wrong. Not every Caucasoid with European admixture should be considered European you need to be in Europe or close Europe continent at least

[Argang]

No they don't. Armenians cluster closest to all ethnicities in the Caucasus regions.

But they still cluster closer to Saudis and company than to Europeans, so why shouldn't they be grouped together genetically.


why not just claim Greeks and Italians are mixture of European and Middle easterner aswell if Armenians are middle easterner?


Because Greeks and Italians cluster closer to other Europeans than to MENA like Bedouins.

[justme]

so slavs the real aryan?more like... Baltics are...

[ButlerKing]

But they still cluster closer to Saudis and company than Europeans, so why shouldn't grouped together genetically.



Because Greeks and Italians cluster closer to other Europeans than to MENA like Bedouins.


For your info the Chuvash cluster closer to European but are 25 - 27% Siberian Mongoloid and they cluster closer than Hungarian and Romanian

Even a Black guy who is 1/2 black cluster closer to European if he had one parent from Swedish compared with someone from Georgia

[Argang]

For your info the Chuvash cluster closer to European but are 25 - 27% Siberian Mongoloid and they cluster closer than Hungarian and Romanian

Nope. Take a look at the heatmap, Chuvash are outside the European supercluster like Armenians.


Even a Black guy who is 1/2 black cluster closer to European if he had one parent from Swedish compared with someone from Georgia

He wouldn't. A Boer with 5% sub-saharan admixture would though.

[Atlantic Islander]

http://imageshack.com/a/img194/4574/lwu.gif

[Harkonnen]

For your info the Chuvash cluster closer to European but are 25 - 27% Siberian Mongoloid and they cluster closer than Hungarian and Romanian

Even a Black guy who is 1/2 black cluster closer to European if he had one parent from Swedish compared with someone from Georgia

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5092/europedec82010.png

Looks beautiful doesn't it.

I don't think even Finns are Euro. The genetic distances are just massive.

[ButlerKing]

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5092/europedec82010.png

Looks beautiful doesn't it.

I don't think even Finns are Euro. The genetic distances are just massive.

This graph is somewhat accurate. North Russians being closer to Chuvash is accurate because Russians have 8-14% Mongoloid admixture and Finns are next to North Russian and closer to Chuvash


So for any Finns who claim they don't have Mongoloid influence is bull. The evidence is clearly when one look at the Chuvash

[arcticwolf]

Jesus, ButlerKing you have a point, compared to us rest of Europe looks like a melting pot! Gotta make sure, if I have kidos they don't mix with these mongrels. :laugh:

[ButlerKing]

I was surprised the Georgians being less Europeans. They are like 80% West Asian and only 15% European while Turks and Armenians have 2x to 3x the number of European admixture compared with Georgians

[Damião de Góis]

ButtlerKing, you've convinced me. I hereby declare Azeris to be European. What now?

[Argang]

I was surprised the Georgians being less Europeans. They are like 80% West Asian and only 15% European.

Why would you be surprised? The Georgians cluster with Armenians, who are MENA.

[Harkonnen]

This graph is somewhat accurate. North Russians being closer to Chuvash is accurate because Russians have 8-14% Mongoloid admixture and Finns are next to North Russian and closer to Chuvash


So for any Finns who claim they don't have Mongoloid influence is bull. The evidence is clearly when one look at the Chuvash

I don't care what people say about you Butty, I believe you're a good kid Butler, who just unfortunately happens to lack a strong male figure in his life. But fear not Butty, I can be your forum daddy.

[ButlerKing]

Why would you be surprised? The Georgians cluster with Armenians, who are MENA.


Georgia if compared Greece, Turkey, Armenia are more closer to East Europe or North Europe yet their average is only 15% with but with a variations from 10% to 47% depending on the sample.

[Argang]

Georgia if compared Greece, Turkey, Armenia are more closer to East Europe or North Europe yet their average is only 15% with but with a variations from 10% to 47% depending on the sample.

Georgians aren't closer to North or East Europe than Greeks. They are closer than Greeks to Bedouins and Saudis though, but not as close as Armenians.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6549/spawevsca.png

[ButlerKing]

ButtlerKing, you've convinced me. I hereby declare Azeris to be European. What now?

Azerbaijan is also too controversial to me. Their European admixture on average is less than 1/4 on autosomal chart but they also have 5 - 29% Mongoloid admixture.


A mixture of West Asian + European + Mongoloid = White and European?

If Azeris was 1/4 European and 3/4 West Asian than they can be considered European or mix race if you consider Italian and Greeks mixed.

THE WEST ASIAN COMPONENT IS THE CLOSEST TO EUROPEAN

[Ianus]

ButlerKing or ButthurtKing? This is the problem!

[ButlerKing]

Georgians aren't closer to North or East Europe than Greeks. They are closer than Greeks to Bedouins and Saudis though, but not as close as Armenians.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6549/spawevsca.png

I'm talking about geographically not genetically. Georgia is far more closer to Russia or Sweden than Greece so I would expected they have more European genetic materials

[Prince Carlo]

Georgian samples there are from western Georgia, near the border with Abkhazia. Eastern Georgians are quite similar to Armenians.

[Sisak]

That theory may not be accurate at all. in the situation that the Arabs came before the Celts or Germans in Europe then the Arabs would also claim that they are indigenous Europeans for themselfs.

[Argang]

Azerbaijan is also too controversial to me. Their European admixture on average is less than 1/4 on autosomal chart but they also have 5 - 29% Mongoloid admixture.


A mixture of West Asian + European + Mongoloid = White and European?



Wait a second! Armenians are closer to Azeris than to Europeans. They are also closer to Arabs than to Europeans, so if you want to create a definition of "Europeans" that includes Armenians, it must include Azeris and Arabs too or it is a bad definition. Perhaps even Moroccans and Egyptians...:cool:

[ButlerKing]

Look at the distance

http://www.freeworldmaps.net/europe/europe-political-map.jpg

[Prince Carlo]

70% of Armenians would stick out like a sore thumb in Europe, excluding perhaps some parts of Greece and Italy.

[Argang]

Look at the distance


I'm talking about genetics. If you consider geographical distance to Europe an indicator of Europeanness, Moroccans and Algerians are at least as European as Armenians.

[ButlerKing]

Wait a second! Armenians are closer to Azeris than to Europeans. They are also closer to Arabs than to Europeans, so if you want to create a definition of "Europeans" that includes Armenians, it must include Azeris and Arabs too or it is a bad definition. Perhaps even Moroccans and Egyptians...:cool:

I've already said even someone who is mostly 3/4 North European + 1/4 Black ancestry is more European than Greeks let alone Armenians but CAUCASOID? NO.

Anthropologist would consider such people as mix race. How to define Europeans should only include both European + West Asian.

Would you accept someone who is 55% European and 45% Black more than someone who is 30% European and 70% West Asian?

[Harkonnen]

Y O Y does daddy not accept Butty. Fear not Butty, I will now renounce my Europeannes, so that from now on I can be your daddy, and Butty can be my little brown boy.

[Argang]

I've already said even someone who is mostly 3/4 North European + 1/4 Black ancestry is more European than Greeks let alone Armenians but CAUCASOID? NO.

No one cares about "humanoids":biggrin:. This is about how your definition of "European" that includes Armenians but not Azeris is a bad one, because Armenians are closer to Azeris than to Europeans.


How to define Europeans should only include only European.

Fix'd. MENA is MENA.

[ButlerKing]

No one cares about "humanoids":biggrin:. This is about how your definition of "European" that includes Armenians but not Azeris is a bad one, because Armenians are closer to Azeris than to Europeans.



Fix'd. MENA is MENA.

True but Caucasus are not MENA. You make it sound as if I'm trying to include everyone in the middle east as European..... only those between South Europe and Northwest Asia have the qualification and these countries are Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and all the North Caucasus people

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/eunewneb.gif

[Argang]

True but Caucasus are not MENA. You make it sound as if I'm trying to include everyone in the middle east as European..... only those between South Europe and Northwest Asia have the qualification and these countries are Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and all the North Caucasus people

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/eunewneb.gif

Armenians are also closer to Arabs than to Europeans. It's a sign of progress we're making that you accepted Azerbaijan into your definition, but it's not enough.

[Harkonnen]

Daddy loves Butty

[Gaston]

True but Caucasus are not MENA. You make it sound as if I'm trying to include everyone in the middle east as European..... only those between South Europe and Northwest Asia have the qualification and these countries are Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and all the North Caucasus people

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/eunewneb.gif

I don't want to crush your dreams but using arbitrary geographical conventions like Europe has no value. Europeans in the past wanted to separate themselves from others by trying to fing natural barriers since Europe is only a bunch of peninsulae of Eurasia. The Caucasus was indeed a barrier on both side since Caucasus people (including North Caucasians) cluster far away from Europeans in intra-West Eurasian plots and in global plots they only share the same East-Eurasian-shift as North Europeans. The Urals were not a barrier though because they consist of very low, old and easily crossable mountains: that's why Uralic languages are found on both sides.

[Argang]

what's the point of being more than 50% European genetically if you're still going to look Black, Asian or Dravidian? these people can almost never pass for European


Are you now saying Afrikaaners or Russians from Vologda can't pass for Europeans as often as Armenians? :confused2:

[Gaston]

Why shouldn't I use the Caucasoid card? what's the point of being more than 50% European genetically if you're still going to look Black, Asian or Dravidian? these people can almost never pass for European where as more than 5/10 of the Caucasus people can pass for Southern European even 1/10 can pass for north European because the west Asian component is already the closest to European


So in conclusion: T0 BE EUROPEAN you must be Caucasoid + European + West asian

LET'S LEAVE IT LIKE THIS PLEASE:picard2:

You're as ridiculous as always. You have an agenda and I don't. I think you're either autistic or you're not British but a West Asian-European mixed guy trying to make West Asians European.

I don't give a fuck about the lack of point of genetic results. Using genetics to justify racial classification is not what scientist do and certainly not my goal.

Let's just say you're a noob in population genetics and you desperately want to know where biological Europeans end geographically, if there is such a thing. And you change your mind very quickly since you initially stated that Southern Europeans were mixed-race and now you state that West Asian admixture is not mixing... :picard2:

[Ultra]

Wow, you're English is terrible
Your*

[Harkonnen]

I have a hunch that despite Butty being brownie, he does not look a thing like Jesus. But he'll still always be my boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4R4PVEwX5U

[ButlerKing]

I don't want to crush your dreams but using arbitrary geographical conventions like Europe has no value. Europeans in the past wanted to separate themselves from others by trying to fing natural barriers since Europe is only a bunch of peninsulae of Eurasia. The Caucasus was indeed a barrier on both side since Caucasus people (including North Caucasians) cluster far away from Europeans in intra-West Eurasian plots and in global plots they only share the same East-Eurasian-shift as North Europeans. The Urals were not a barrier though because they consist of very low, old and easily crossable mountains: that's why Uralic languages are found on both sides.

I know but it still proves that Caucasus are most closest to people living to Europe than any modern Mena nation

Can we please put a end to this genetic plot or cluster because like I said a million times already that it has too many damn flaws. Urals from western Siberia which is inside Europe are 19 to 33% Mongoloid but will still cluster closer to Europeans than most of South Europe.

[Argang]

Can we please put a end to this genetic plot or cluster because like I said ambillion times already that it has too many flaws. Urals from western Siberia which is inside Europe are 19 to 33% Mongoloid but will still cluster closer to Europeans than most of South Europe.

In the heatmap I posted Chuvashes cluster outside Europe just like Armenians, so it works just fine. Armenians and other similar folks are closer to Middle Easterners, and Chuvashes are pretty distant from everyone but cluster closer to Central Asians than to Europeans.

So there are no flaws and we can use it to point out how Armenians are more MENA than European.

[ButlerKing]

In the heatmap I posted Chuvashes cluster outside Europe just like Armenians, so it works just fine. Armenians and other similar folks are closer to Middle Easterners, and Chuvashes are pretty distant from everyone but cluster closer to Central Asians than to Europeans.

So there are no flaws and we can use it to point out how Armenians are more MENA than European.

I don't think you understood the graph

On the wright side of the graph it obviously included the most north european DNA countries while on left side of the graph they are all closer to Southern European.

Chuvash cluster closer to North European but not as much those with less Mongoloid blood like Russians and Finns

[Argang]

I don't think you understood the graph

On the wright side of the graph it obviously included the most north european DNA countries while on left side of the graph they are all Southern European

Chuvash cluster closer to North European but not as much those with less Mongoloid blood and because of their Mongoloid admixture there is a distant

I'm talking about this (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?111795-South-Europeans-mix-race-Caucasoid/page2&p=2329663#post2329663), not those PCA's which do not show the whole picture or include pure East Asians or Africans for comparison. In the heatmap clusters we can see that:
-Chuvashes are outside European cluster and near Central Asians
-Armenians are outside European cluster and near Arabs and North Africans

Looks very reasonable.

[ButlerKing]

I'm talking about this (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?111795-South-Europeans-mix-race-Caucasoid/page2&p=2329663#post2329663), not those PCA's which do not show the whole picture or include pure East Asians or Africans for comparison. In the heatmap clusters we can see that:
-Chuvashes are outside European cluster and near Central Asians
-Armenians are outside European cluster and near Arabs and North Africans

Why would Chuvash cluster with Central Asians? do they cluster because their mix race not because they share the same type of Mongoloid and Caucasoid components

Chuvash component 60% North European + 24.5% Siberian + 15% West Asian

Central Asians ( most Caucasoid Uzbeks, Turkmen, Uyghur ) 40-50% West Asian + 22-28% European + 5-10% Southwest Asian

As for Mongoloid components is like 70% Siberian + 30% East Asian

[Argang]

Why would Chuvash cluster with Central Asians? do they cluster because their mix race?

Chuvash component 60% North European + 24.5% Siberian + 15% West Asian

Central Asians ( most Caucasoid Uzbeks, Turkmen, Uyghur ) 40-50% West Asian + 22-28% European + 5-10% Southwest Asian

As for Mongoloid components is like 70% Siberian + 30% East Asian

Maybe, they branch off early and are not especially close to anyone, Central Asians are just closest.

What's noteworthy is that they don't end up in European cluster.

[ButlerKing]

Maybe, they branch off early and are not especially close to anyone, Central Asians are just closest.

What's noteworthy is that they don't end up in European cluster.

Maybe this graph of yours is wrong? it seems to contradict the other graph and other result.

[Argang]

It's not wrong, the other graphs are just less accurate because they are PCA's and thus do not show all variation. These other graphs do not have Sub-Saharan Africans or East Asians which are required for most accurate comparisons either, unlike the heatmap.

[Äijä]

Related to the Siberian and East-Asian components.


Is there a "East-Asian" influence in Continental Europeans?

http://fennoscandia.blogspot.fi/