A question for Russian and other Slavic supporters of nazi ideals

[FrostDragon]

I honestly belive most modert "neo-nazis" would be exterminated by the original nazis, and this just proves it; 2 million non-Jewish Poles and 3 million non-Jewish Ukranians were exterminated by the nazis during WWII, as part of Hitler's plan of making eastern Europe "living space" for the Aryan race, and turning Slavic people into slaves; Slavic neo-nazis simply ignore that! You don't have to support Hitler to preserve the White race! Poland, Ukraine and Belarus were almost whipped off the map, and you support that just because you need an excuse to hate Jews?
Serious comments please.

[Crn Volk]

The Nazi's were cleaver enough to hide their expansionism under the cloak of the fight against jewish communism. Whilst that struggle can be justified, the death of millions of Slavs for the benefit of Teutonic people cannot be justified in any sense.

The struggle between Germanic and Slavic people is not a new one;

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2009/10/7/1254930250269/Scene-from-Alexander-Nevs-001.jpg

[arcticwolf]

Fuck no.

[Mortimer]

but there were also many slavs who fought for hitler, the original arier nachweis (aryan pass) had in its title "all aryans wherever they are italians, germans, poles..." etc.
i think nazis considered slavs as aryans and white, there were no interracial marriage laws against a german marrying a czech or a pole or russian etc.

[silentkiller]

Previously, during the Soviet Union, we had no such problems. People had work to do, and there was idea of equality between people.
Now when the representatives of ethnic minority behave insolently towards the titular ethnic group, the people's anger spills out in the form of neo-Nazis who beat everyone who does not look like a Russian. Nazis in Russia is a consequence, not a cause. Some people do not like Jews, because they believe that Jews are able to sell everything for money. It's not only the Slavs, even some of my Hispanic acquaintances. Jews have earned such fame. What can you do? However, my relatives consider Jews as intelligent people, there are a lot of jewish doctors and scientists.

[Kiyant]

Because those guys are retards seriously speak with one of them and you will notice how they dont know anything about neither history nor culture

[Mortimer]

Previously, during the Soviet Union, we had no such problems. People had work to do, and there was idea of equality between people.
Now when the representatives of ethnic minority behave insolently towards the titular ethnic group, the people's anger spills out in the form of neo-Nazis who beat everyone who does not look like a Russian. Nazis in Russia is a consequence, not a cause. Some people do not like Jews, because they believe that Jews are able to sell everything for money. It's not only the Slavs, even some of my Hispanic acquaintances. Jews have earned such fame. What can you do? However, my relatives consider Jews as intelligent people, there are a lot of jewish doctors and scientists.

the soviet times were really good

[silentkiller]

the soviet times were really good

For common people, yes.

[Sandman]

but there were also many slavs who fought for hitler, the original arier nachweis (aryan pass) had in its title "all aryans wherever they are italians, germans, poles..." etc.
i think nazis considered slavs as aryans and white, there were no interracial marriage laws against a german marrying a czech or a pole or russian etc.

It is true that Germany considered Slavs as Aryans but marriage between them and such Poles were completely forbidden. Personally, I think that the idea of ​​Nazism is now completely discredited. Her followers are assholes and ignorant people who have no idea about the history and what the Nazis did and planned to do so.

[Also]

Slavic neo-nazis say this is all a j00ish conspiracy. Hitler and Slavs BFF.

[glass]

neo nazism popularity and skinhead activity greatly reduced in past years,
clearly because living standards and life overall greatly improved
there is plain anticorrelation between poverty and popularity of totalitarian ideas

[Polski]

I honestly belive most modert "neo-nazis" would be exterminated by the original nazis, and this just proves it; 2 million non-Jewish Poles and 3 million non-Jewish Ukranians were exterminated by the nazis during WWII, as part of Hitler's plan of making eastern Europe "living space" for the Aryan race, and turning Slavic people into slaves; Slavic neo-nazis simply ignore that! You don't have to support Hitler to preserve the White race! Poland, Ukraine and Belarus were almost whipped off the map, and you support that just because you need an excuse to hate Jews?
Serious comments please.

Nonsense.

Just because Poles and Ukrainians died during the war does not mean they were going to be 'exterminated', these people were not 'exterminated' but rather killed for a variety of reasons (different sources give different figures too). Generalplan Ost has no actual documents to proof it neither. In MK, Hitler does indeed call for the German or Germanic expansion into the East, most notably at Russia. Slavs were also regarded as Aryans. Hitler was also a White nationalist pan-European leader.

Anti-Slavism is traditional in German nationalism, certain elements of it did exist but then again they were also friendly towards the Slavs at times, especially with Croatia and Bulgaria being Allies with Germany during the war.

Many National Socialists like Himmler and Bormann made extreme anti-Slavic statements and viewed Slavs as racially inferior but this was not the official policy of National Socialism that was just their own personal opinions. Himmler in his Posen speech even called Russians sub-humans "russischen Untermenschen". Many National Socialists were fine with Slavs such as Goebbels who had a brief affair with a Czech, Rosenberg who complained about the treatment they were receiving in the occupied territories, etc etc.

Even the Ahnenpass "ancestors passport" used Slavs as 'examples of Aryans':


Aryan is thus the one man who looked free from, the German people, strange racial impact is blood. Deemed to be a stranger here, especially the blood of the living room and in the European settlement of Jews and Gypsies, the Asian and African breeds, and the aborigines of Australia and America (Indians), while, for example, a Swede or an Englishman, a Frenchman or Czech, a Pole or Italian, if he is free of such, even that is foreign blood strikes, when used, must therefore be considered severally liable, he may now live in his home, in East Asia or in America or he likes a U.S. citizen or a South American Free State be.

It's a lie that Slavs were "non-Aryans", they were Aryans and were eligible to be citizens of the Reich.


It is true that Germany considered Slavs as Aryans but marriage between them and such Poles were completely forbidden. Personally, I think that the idea of ​​Nazism is now completely discredited. Her followers are assholes and ignorant people who have no idea about the history and what the Nazis did and planned to do so.

Marriage between Germans and Poles was not completely forbidden. The forbidden sexual relations and marriages with Poles was aimed at only the Polish laborers in the Reich. The Polish decrees were not aimed at all ethnic Poles only the laborers. Quite a few Germans were married to Poles (and no not just Poles of Germanic descent but actual ethnic Poles).

Hitler's letter to Himmler:


The Poles are the most intelligent of all the people with whom they met the Germans during the war in Europe ... Poles in my opinion, and based on observations and reports from the General Government, are the only nation in Europe that combines high intelligence with cunning unheard. This is the most talented people in Europe as still living in extremely difficult political circumstances, made ​​a name for himself a great sense life, unparalleled anywhere.

Based on recent research, Reichsrassenamt powadzonych by German scholars came to believe that the Poles should be assimilated into German society as a racially valuable. Our scholars have come to the conclusion that the combination of German regularity with flair Poles would give excellent results.

I can't find anywhere that Hitler even attacked Slavs in any of his speeches, in MK he does say that Russia was built upon the Germanic elements and he hated how the Austro-Hungarian Empire was putting Slavs before the Germans (in the Austrian-German side of it). Most of the books that claim Hitler viewed Slavs as racially inferior/biologically inferior is utter nonsense.

[Crn Volk]

For those Slavs in denial. It was not only the Germans, but their Axis allies, the Italians that also shared their views;

In September 1920, Benito Mussolini stated:


When dealing with such a race as Slavic - inferior and barbarian - we must not pursue the carrot, but the stick policy.... We should not be afraid of new victims.... The Italian border should run across the Brenner Pass, Monte Nevoso and the Dinaric Alps.... I would say we can easily sacrifice 500,000 barbaric Slavs for 50,000 Italians....
—Benito Mussolini, speech held in Pula, 20 September 1920[1][2]

As noted by Minister of Foreign Affairs in Mussolini government, Galeazzo Ciano, when describing a meeting with secretary general of the Fascist party who wanted Italian army to kill all the Slovenes:


(...) I took the liberty of saying they (the Slovenes) totaled one million. It doesn't matter - he replied firmly - we should model ourselves upon ascari (auxiliary Eritrean troops infamous for their cruelty) and wipe them out".

[SobieskisavedEurope]

It is true that Germany considered Slavs as Aryans but marriage between them and such Poles were completely forbidden. Personally, I think that the idea of ​​Nazism is now completely discredited. Her followers are assholes and ignorant people who have no idea about the history and what the Nazis did and planned to do so.

Why did Nazi Germany kidnap thousands of blonde Polish babies for eugenics camps!?

[Sandman]

Marriage between Germans and Poles was not completely forbidden. The forbidden sexual relations and marriages with Poles was aimed at only the Polish laborers in the Reich. The Polish decrees were not aimed at all ethnic Poles only the laborers. Quite a few Germans were married to Poles (and no not just Poles of Germanic descent but actual ethnic Poles).





Nope. Officially Germans recognized the Slavs as racially less valuable. Hence the formal prohibition of marriage and sexual relations. Of course, practice was often quite different. In the General Government German soldiers often claimed sexual contacts with Polish women who then were stigmatized for it.

[Sandman]

Why did Nazi Germany kidnap thousands of blonde Polish babies for eugenics camps!?

And why would I support the policy of the Nazis?

[Cleitus]

The Person who maked this thread sawed to many BBC Documentations about NS Germany.

[Cleitus]

Why did Nazi Germany kidnap thousands of blonde Polish babies for eugenics camps!?
Any proof for that nonsense ?

[OldWayGuy]

Nazism is low level person stuff

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Any proof for that nonsense ?

He created breeding facilities in which Aryan women were recruited to be impregnated by S.S. soldiers. A male German seeking admission into the program had to prove that he was in perfect physical condition, and that he was “racially pure” as far back as 1750. Before the program ended in 1944, the Lebensborn produced more than 42,000 babies.

The Germans also captured Aryan women and children from the surrounding conquered countries. From Poland, alone, they kidnapped 200,000 blond-haired, blue-eyed children.

http://historacle.org/hitlers_supermen.html

[Cleitus]

He created breeding facilities in which Aryan women were recruited to be impregnated by S.S. soldiers. A male German seeking admission into the program had to prove that he was in perfect physical condition, and that he was “racially pure” as far back as 1750. Before the program ended in 1944, the Lebensborn produced more than 42,000 babies.

The Germans also captured Aryan women and children from the surrounding conquered countries. From Poland, alone, they kidnapped 200,000 blond-haired, blue-eyed children.

http://historacle.org/hitlers_supermen.html
There is no proof for the shit on this site :picard1:

[Acquisitor]

For common people, yes.

really ? USSR was good for common people ? have you lived in the USSR ?

[Dandelion]

According to the Nazis Slavs were flat-skulled nutbrains. A Slavic nazi is therefore kind of ironic on many levels. :p

[Cleitus]

According to the Nazis Slavs were flat-skulled nutbrains. A Slavic nazi is therefore kind of ironic on many levels. :p

Being Slavic is something culturally and Linguistical nothing Racial you fool.

[Acquisitor]

this man is also seen as a hero of some sort by some russki nazi's ;)

http://i87.servimg.com/u/f87/12/17/49/59/vlasso11.jpg

[Dandelion]

Being Slavic is something culturally and Linguistical nothing Racial you fool.

Still, being a nazi is also a sign of stupidity.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

According to the Nazis Slavs were flat-skulled nutbrains. A Slavic nazi is therefore kind of ironic on many levels. :p

Brachycephalic!?

It is funny that Chimpanzees, Gorillas, Africans, Australian Aboriginals are Dolichocephalic. :thumb001:

[Polski]

Why did Nazi Germany kidnap thousands of blonde Polish babies for eugenics camps!?

These people were not seen as Poles but rather German descended peoples living in Poland.


Nope. Officially Germans recognized the Slavs as racially less valuable. Hence the formal prohibition of marriage and sexual relations. Of course, practice was often quite different. In the General Government German soldiers often claimed sexual contacts with Polish women who then were stigmatized for it.

By the law all European peoples were regarded as racially the same. Some top NS saw Slavs as racially inferior (Himmler was the most known anti-Slav). The racial laws of 1935 known as the Nuremberg Laws did not mention Slavs and there was no forbidden sexual relations and marriage between Germans and Slavs (Poles and Czechs were actually used in the Ahnenpass. ("ancestors passport") as examples of Aryans!).

After the war began the racial defilement law (Rassenschande) was extended to all foreign workers brought into Germany as workers. The cases of ethnic Germans and ethnic Poles being persecuted for sexual relations was between ethnic Germans and Polish labourers (Zivilarbeiter), this was not just exclusive to Poles but ALL foreign workers, normal ethnic Poles were not subject to such laws. Remember a lot of cases involved Poles because they were one of the largest besides Germans in the General Government as in 1944 roughly 2.8 million foreign workers were Poles.

Himmler even said any unauthorized sexual intercourse would result in the death penalty.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

These people were not seen as Poles but rather German descended peoples living in Poland.

For the Nazis just because Polish babies had blonde hair they were Germans to be kidnapped.

[Polski]

According to the Nazis Slavs were flat-skulled nutbrains. A Slavic nazi is therefore kind of ironic on many levels. :p

I don't think I've ever seen them described as that, pretty sure Hitler praised certain Slavs as hard workers too.

It's not ironic really, Slavs were Aryans and National-Socialism is a political ideology.


Still, being a nazi is also a sign of stupidity.

That's a matter of opinion. I wonder what truth about National-Socialism you actually really know.


For the Nazis just because Polish babies had blonde hair they were Germans to be kidnapped.

No, it was not just as simple as that. Children were given a screening to check for German ancestry, the Nordic appearance was a sort of "identification" of German or more loosely Germanic ancestry, although this was not always the case - something Nazi racial theorists acknowledged.

[Aunt Hilda]

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[Dandelion]

That's a matter of opinion. I wonder what truth about National-Socialism you actually really know.


Well I know they were very authoritarian and draconic on pulling through their measures. It's not that their history is that unrecorded that I should like them because of some apparent 'hidden truth' in someone's romantic imagination.

All in all it's hard to shock me with national socialism. I just think must people who call themselves national socialists to be either idiots or nostalgics about an idea they have of how the Third Reich would have been in their mind.

[Kiyant]

Well I knew they were very authoritarian and draconic on pulling through their measures. It's not that their history is that unrecorded that I should like them because of some apparent 'hidden truth' in someone's romantic imagination.

Dont you know how evil J00z/Zionists were behind all of it and the concentration camps were in reality holiday resorts like Disneyland?

[portusaus]

This is TA, not the short bus. Take your pea-brain rants elsewhere, kike.

[Aunt Hilda]

That's a matter of opinion. I wonder what truth about National-Socialism you actually really know.


it's universal truth really. NS people are usually ignorant and uninformed on matters of realpolitik, history or even simple human decency.


Dont you know how evil J00z/Zionists were behind all of it and the concentration camps were in reality holiday resorts like Disneyland?

finally some words of wisdom.

[Kiyant]

This is TA, not the short bus. Take your pea-brain rants elsewhere, kike.

You have nothing to say on TA and he can stay as much as he wants

[Dandelion]

This is TA, not the short bus. Take your pea-brain rants elsewhere, kike.

Who is a 'kike'? Kiyant is a Turk and I'm more Germanic than you (Dutch/Flemish). :p Don't confuse me with Acquisitorz. He's a Russian Jew I happen to know from before my anthroboards activity.

[Kiyant]

Who is a 'kike'? Kiyant is a Turk and I'm more Germanic than you (Dutch/Flemish). :p Don't confuse me with Acquisitorz. He's a Russian Jew I happen to know from before my anthroboards activity.

I think he meant the topic poster (Frost dragon) and even if he wasnt meaning him he has nothing to say on TA and who can stay and who cant

[Dandelion]

I think he meant the topic poster (Frost dragon) and even if he wasnt meaning him he has nothing to say on TA and who can stay and who cant

I see. Indeed, freedom of expression should be guaranteed. I also support the right of national socialists to post here.

[portusaus]

Who is a 'kike'? Kiyant is a Turk and I'm more Germanic than you (Dutch/Flemish). :p Don't confuse me with Acquisitorz. He's a Russian Jew I happen to know from before my anthroboards activity.

That was directed towards OP for creating this mindless thread. Though, he/she/it is not the only fool nor the only kike here. Kiyant is a Turkic Jew btw.

I don't care how Germanic I am, I'm closer to and more proud of my Portuguese side regardless.

[Kiyant]

That was directed towards OP for creating this mindless thread. Though, he/she/it is not the only fool nor the only kike here. Kiyant is a Turkic Jew btw.

I don't care how Germanic I am, I'm closer to and more proud of my Portuguese side regardless.

Im not a Turkic jew :picard1:

[Mans not hot]

These people were not seen as Poles but rather German descended peoples living in Poland.



By the law all European peoples were regarded as racially the same. Some top NS saw Slavs as racially inferior (Himmler was the most known anti-Slav). The racial laws of 1935 known as the Nuremberg Laws did not mention Slavs and there was no forbidden sexual relations and marriage between Germans and Slavs (Poles and Czechs were actually used in the Ahnenpass. ("ancestors passport") as examples of Aryans!).

After the war began the racial defilement law (Rassenschande) was extended to all foreign workers brought into Germany as workers. The cases of ethnic Germans and ethnic Poles being persecuted for sexual relations was between ethnic Germans and Polish labourers (Zivilarbeiter), this was not just exclusive to Poles but ALL foreign workers, normal ethnic Poles were not subject to such laws. Remember a lot of cases involved Poles because they were one of the largest besides Germans in the General Government as in 1944 roughly 2.8 million foreign workers were Poles.

Himmler even said any unauthorized sexual intercourse would result in the death penalty.
Omg, you're back? :picard2:

[Borna]

Adoring Hilter is kind a stupid, but why Slav can't be anti-Jewish, pro-self preservationist, proud of his nation ?

[Polski]

it's universal truth really. NS people are usually ignorant and uninformed on matters of realpolitik, history or even simple human decency.

We both know this is not true. There is plenty of National-Socialists who are intelligent and are far from ignorant.

[Aunt Hilda]

We both know this is not true. There is plenty of National-Socialists who are intelligent and are far from ignorant.
like...?

[Polski]

like...?

People that belong to National Socialist parties all over the world or individuals who are self-proclaimed National Socialists.

For example, although he passed away a few years ago, the British patriot and National Socialist John Tyndall was highly intelligent.

Not all National Socialists are skinheads thinking themselves as hard and have no clue about the ideology, some National Socialists you would never even guess are...

[Aunt Hilda]

People that belong to National Socialist parties all over the world or individuals who are self-proclaimed National Socialists.

For example, although he passed away a few years ago, the British patriot and National Socialist John Tyndall was highly intelligent.

Not all National Socialists are skinheads thinking themselves as hard and have no clue about the ideology, some National Socialists you would never even guess are...
are you kidding me? John Tyndall? girl was the definition of ignorant. The worst thing that ever happened to modern Scottish nationalism.
next you're gonna tell me Madame Marine Le Pen is more than just a cheap populist for the dumbed down masses.

[Chichic]

The Nazi's were cleaver enough to hide their expansionism under the cloak of the fight against jewish communism. Whilst that struggle can be justified, the death of millions of Slavs for the benefit of Teutonic people cannot be justified in any sense.

The struggle between Germanic and Slavic people is not a new one;

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2009/10/7/1254930250269/Scene-from-Alexander-Nevs-001.jpg

That was not just a pretense. The Nazis had only an eye on racially inferior Slavs, like a lot of those East Baltid primates. Something were and is not of importance for Europe.

[Chichic]

People that belong to National Socialist parties all over the world or individuals who are self-proclaimed National Socialists.

For example, although he passed away a few years ago, the British patriot and National Socialist John Tyndall was highly intelligent.

Not all National Socialists are skinheads thinking themselves as hard and have no clue about the ideology, some National Socialists you would never even guess are...

These people are idiots. National Socialism is an exclusive German ideology with no sense or advantage for anyone else. No, National Socialism is not a Germanic thing, it's a German thing which sees the Germans as superior to all other Germanic peoples.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

That was not just a pretense. The Nazis had only an eye on racially inferior Slavs, like a lot of those East Baltid primates. Something were and is not of importance for Europe.

East Baltids are the most neotenic phenotype in Europe.

Why are primates less neotenic than humans!?

East Baltid women are very pretty.

[Hexachordia]

Chichic is almost correct there, national socialism only applicable to those who consider themself superior to their enemies, but hdo not forget Hitler emphasized no survivors of national socialist soldier if they lost the war. This is important and what maded NS Germany worthy of the ideology. No survivors !!

[Hexachordia]

The fighters of NSism must either die in battle or win over the enemies, all survivors of the war according to NS are inferior humans, should be exterminated. According to NS in my book, modern germans are as eligible for extermination as those gypsies and russians.

[Rudel]

Hitler wanted to enslave the French and yet there are French Neo-Nazis and Germanophiles.
The Northmen where unwashed barbarians who murdered and pillaged our people and have been a pain in the ass to deal with, yet there are fuckwits in France who think they're the sons of Odin.

Bottom-line : people are retarded and easily impressed by shiny propaganda, especially when they've lost all sense of dignity, honor and national pride.

[Polski]

are you kidding me? John Tyndall? girl was the definition of ignorant. The worst thing that ever happened to modern Scottish nationalism.
next you're gonna tell me Madame Marine Le Pen is more than just a cheap populist for the dumbed down masses.

Even his opponents acknowledged he was intelligent despite being an enemy of his beliefs, the same occurred with Goebbels.


These people are idiots. National Socialism is an exclusive German ideology with no sense or advantage for anyone else. No, National Socialism is not a Germanic thing, it's a German thing which sees the Germans as superior to all other Germanic peoples.

You're the one acting an idiot, I'm presuming you are trolling in all fairness.

German National Socialism of the NSDAP was primarily for Germans but was overall for all Europeans but National Socialism itself can be applied to any nation or ethnic group.

Where in German National Socialism did they ever say Germans are superior to anybody including the other Germanic peoples?


Hitler wanted to enslave the French and yet there are French Neo-Nazis and Germanophiles.
The Northmen where unwashed barbarians who murdered and pillaged our people and have been a pain in the ass to deal with, yet there are fuckwits in France who think they're the sons of Odin.

Bottom-line : people are retarded and easily impressed by shiny propaganda, especially when they've lost all sense of dignity, honor and national pride.

Please show me evidence that Hitler wanted to enslave White French people.

French were even used as a kind of Aryan in the Ahnenpass ("ancestors passport"):


Aryan is thus the one man who looked free from, the German people, strange racial impact is blood. Deemed to be a stranger here, especially the blood of the living room and in the European settlement of Jews and Gypsies, the Asian and African breeds, and the aborigines of Australia and America (Indians), while, for example, a Swede or an Englishman, a Frenchman or Czech, a Pole or Italian, if he is free of such, even that is foreign blood strikes, when used, must therefore be considered severally liable, he may now live in his home, in East Asia or in America or he likes a U.S. citizen or a South American Free State be.

[Chichic]

East Baltid women are very pretty.

Racial value depends not only on beauty.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img155/4383/priproinf2ky8.jpg

[Chichic]

German National Socialism of the NSDAP was primarily for Germans but was overall for all Europeans but National Socialism itself can be applied to any nation or ethnic group.

Where in German National Socialism did they ever say Germans are superior to anybody including the other Germanic peoples?

You're just misinformed. National Socialism is a German ideology with focus on Germanity and states that Germans are the most superior of all Germanic peoples.

[FrostDragon]

I see my thread is getting alot of attention...I will add and ask, do the morons like the one who called me a "Kike" really understand Hitler was a Germanicist and not an all-Euro nationalist?

[Windischer]

long story short:
nationalism is dumb
ethnocentrism is dumb
racism is dumb
nazism is dumb
chauvinism is dumb
all similar forms of idiocy are dumb

anything else?

[B01AB20]

long story short:
nationalism is dumb
ethnocentrism is dumb
racism is dumb
nazism is dumb
chauvinism is dumb
all similar forms of idiocy are dumb

anything else?

only one race the human race?

[Polski]

You're just misinformed. National Socialism is a German ideology with focus on Germanity and states that Germans are the most superior of all Germanic peoples.

Stop trolling, National Socialism is a political ideology that can be used for any country/ethnic group.

National Socialism existed before the NSDAP (previously known as the DAP) established the party as National Socialist.

Can you show me where Hitler or any of the National-Socialists of the Third Reich says that Germans are the most superior of all Germanic peoples?


I see my thread is getting alot of attention...I will add and ask, do the morons like the one who called me a "Kike" really understand Hitler was a Germanicist and not an all-Euro nationalist?

He was first a German nationalist and then a European nationalist.


M. FRANÇOIS-PONCET, French Ambassador in Berlin,
to M. GEORGES BONNET, Minister for Foreign Affairs.
Berlin, October 20, 1938.

WHEN on the evening of October 17, the German Chancellor asked me to see him as quickly as possible, he placed one of his private planes at my disposal.
[...]
During the whole of our conversation, except for a few outbursts of violence when referring to England, the Führer was calm, moderate, conciliatory. One would have been justified in thinking that one was in the presence of a man with a well-balanced mind, rich in experience and wisdom, and wishing above all things to establish the reign of peace among nations. There were moments when Herr Hitler spoke of Europe, of his feelings as a European, which are, he asserts, more genuine than those expressed so loudly by many people.
He spoke of our "white civilization" as of a very precious possession common to us all, which must be defended.


long story short:
nationalism is dumb
ethnocentrism is dumb
racism is dumb
nazism is dumb
chauvinism is dumb
all similar forms of idiocy are dumb]

Lol, what a joker.

[Chichic]

Stop trolling, National Socialism is a political ideology that can be used for any country/ethnic group.

National Socialism existed before the NSDAP (previously known as the DAP) established the party as National Socialist.

Can you show me where Hitler or any of the National-Socialists of the Third Reich says that Germans are the most superior of all Germanic peoples?

Nationalism and National Socialism is not the same thing. National Socialism is a German creation based on the German people.

[Xanthias]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img155/4383/priproinf2ky8.jpg

Da heck ? Alpinid not European ?

[Austo]

It is true that Germany considered Slavs as Aryans but marriage between them and such Poles were completely forbidden. Personally, I think that the idea of ​​Nazism is now completely discredited. Her followers are assholes and ignorant people who have no idea about the history and what the Nazis did and planned to do so.

Well, you generalising all nazis is sure very ignorant too.



We always learn history how the winners of a war tell it.

[Hexachordia]

Nationalism is different fron NS, in fact socialism is characteristic to a specific nation or culture. Communism is national and international capitalism, NS is national democracy which stresses on their peoples interests as well as national interests. It is why NS and Communism is conflicting, But NS was not invented by germans, it has been there for a thousand years. USA in fact is the biggest communist nation ever existed.

[Hexachordia]

German nazism fused germanic superiority on their NS revolution, they planned to enslave all Europe and exterminate the americans. if Hitler succeeded wil result in a caste system like in India, americans and slavic people wil fill up the sudra and dalit castes. Almost like neo-hinduism, Hitler becoming Krishna like god-man,ruling over pantheon of warrior gods and deified ideal races.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Racial value depends not only on beauty.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img155/4383/priproinf2ky8.jpg

Paedomorphic is actually progressive.

Humans have become more paedomorphic since the time of apes.

Have you ever seen what a chimpanzee fetus skull looks like!? It looks like a human skull!

It seems human evolution has heavily relied on neoteny (paedomorphic features)

[Chichic]

Nationalism is different fron NS, in fact socialism is characteristic to a specific nation or culture. Communism is national and international capitalism, NS is national democracy which stresses on their peoples interests as well as national interests. It is why NS and Communism is conflicting, But NS was not invented by germans, it has been there for a thousand years. USA in fact is the biggest communist nation ever existed.

National Socialism was invented by Germans, it's a German movement.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

National Socialism was invented by Germans, it's a German movement.

Czech National Socialism came earlier & influenced Nazi Germany.

Actually Nazis were influenced by a number of people with Slavic heritage.

They got their views on Jews from Protocols of the Elders of Zion which was written by a Russian Pyotr Rachkovsky.

Nazi ubermensch ideal comes from Slavic supremacist Friedrich Nietzsche who's surname comes from Slavic Nietzki or Niecki & who Nietzsche said that Poles seemed to be the most talented Slavs & Slavs seemed to be more talented than Germans & that Germans entered the talented nations by a strong mixture of Slavic blood.

[LightHouse89]

I think they admire Fascism. They admire some of Hitler's beliefs but not Hitler or the actual Nazis. I noticed they borrow a lot from Spanish and Italian fascists.

[LightHouse89]

National Socialism was invented by Germans, it's a German movement.

Its really a spin off of Fascism with a more leaning toward Socialism.

[LightHouse89]

German nazism fused germanic superiority on their NS revolution, they planned to enslave all Europe and exterminate the americans. if Hitler succeeded wil result in a caste system like in India, americans and slavic people wil fill up the sudra and dalit castes. Almost like neo-hinduism, Hitler becoming Krishna like god-man,ruling over pantheon of warrior gods and deified ideal races.

they wouldn't exterminate Americans. They did not have the logistical power to even reach America.

[Windischer]

only one race the human race?

only if you include majority of TA members...

[Nehellenia]

I find slavic neo-nazis extremely stupid because nazism doesn't include them, regardless of the fact Hitler was talking shit about saying slavs are 'subhuman', Slavs and their r1a are more Aryan than the Germans are, if we're going on the fact Aryanism, means Iranic, that word has lost all it's true meaning.

[Chichic]

I find slavic neo-nazis extremely stupid because nazism doesn't include them, regardless of the fact Hitler was talking shit about saying slavs are 'subhuman', Slavs and their r1a are more Aryan than the Germans are, if we're going on the fact Aryanism, means Iranic, that word has lost all it's true meaning.

The Germans have used the term sub-human very rarely. The whole hype was actually first made by the Allies.

[Nehellenia]

The Germans have used the term sub-human very rarely. The whole hype was actually first made by the Allies.

I don't think Hitler is how all Germans are in reality of course ;D

[Chichic]

I don't think Hitler is how all Germans are in reality of course ;D

And how was Hitler? You watch too much Hollywood!

[Chichic]

they wouldn't exterminate Americans. They did not have the logistical power to even reach America.

I am sure that would not have been a problem for the Germans.

[Nehellenia]

And how was Hitler? You watch too much Hollywood!

I don't watch any 'Hollywood' shows actually... i watch documentaries about history and a lot about WW2, lol.

[LightHouse89]

I don't watch any 'Hollywood' shows actually... i watch documentaries about history and a lot about WW2, lol.

:rotfl: many of which are made in Hollywood.

[LightHouse89]

I am sure that would not have been a problem for the Germans.

Yes seeing the British and Americans controlled the seas and defeat the Germany Navy in one battle. :rolleyes:

[LightHouse89]

I find slavic neo-nazis extremely stupid because nazism doesn't include them, regardless of the fact Hitler was talking shit about saying slavs are 'subhuman', Slavs and their r1a are more Aryan than the Germans are, if we're going on the fact Aryanism, means Iranic, that word has lost all it's true meaning.

Fascism is more popular to some Slavs and that isn't necessarily Nazism.

[Nehellenia]

:rotfl: many of which are made in Hollywood.

I've watched German and mainly European ones, hahaha... D: ya right

[LightHouse89]

I've watched German and mainly European ones, hahaha... D: ya right

Marxist docus approved by Hollywood and their version of history on the world.... :rolleyes:

[Chichic]

I've watched German and mainly European ones, hahaha... D: ya right

German documentaries are probably even more propaganda trash than those from Hollywood. Guido Knopp etc.

[LightHouse89]

German documentaries are probably even more propaganda trash than those from Hollywood. Guido Knopp etc.

More about modern Left leaning Germany. Its a shame of what it use to be in history. Bavaria and southern Germany is pretty but Northern Germany I thought was a toilet. Especially Berlin. Berlin reminds me of Boston....loaded with liberals and other leftists.

[LightHouse89]

German documentaries are probably even more propaganda trash than those from Hollywood. Guido Knopp etc.

Exactly its that way throughout Europe, America and even South America.....soon the middle east will be the same way....then the world with this global agenda to make it a one world government. That is what Leftists ultimately want.

[Velko]

I find slavic neo-nazis extremely stupid because nazism doesn't include them, regardless of the fact Hitler was talking shit about saying slavs are 'subhuman', Slavs and their r1a are more Aryan than the Germans are, if we're going on the fact Aryanism, means Iranic, that word has lost all it's true meaning.

You're right, this is what he first thought then he ordered a study to be done trying to compare Slavs to Germanics, to figure out why Slavs tend to gravitate towards communism (the real reason he called them "subhuman"), turns out they found old remnants of Slavic culture/continuity throughout the Germanic lands in particular the town where Hitler was from. Suffice to say, that rhetoric from then on stopped.

Also to clarify, according to Hitler even, Aryans = Indo Europeans, we just use Indo-European today to remain politically correct, while the historical documented term is in fact Aryan.

[Nehellenia]

You're right, this is what he first thought then he ordered a study to be done trying to compare Slavs to Germanics, to figure out why Slavs tend to gravitate towards communism (the real reason he called them "subhuman"), turns out they found old remnants of Slavic culture/continuity throughout the Germanic lands in particular the town where Hitler was from. Suffice to say, that rhetoric from then on stopped.

Also to clarify, according to Hitler even, Aryans = Indo Europeans, we just use Indo-European today to remain politically correct, while the historical documented term is in fact Aryan.

Yeah, i know we're nearly all included as Aryans due to being Indo-Europeans, but still the term itself would fit Slavs as well, i think he just wanted an excuse to make Germany much larger and the slavs were the neighbours, so they needed to spin it that way as well.

[Hexachordia]

National Socialism was invented by Germans, it's a German movement.

Germans pioneered NS, it is not the same of inventing it. Like the pioneering of Apple McIntosh PC, not meaning Apple invented computer. You can only say germans invented national and racial german superiority, indians caste system is very similar to the german NS system in terms of race based sociological and religious functions of racial superiority. Germans did learn a lot from ancient indians, or many other cultures.

[LightHouse89]

Yeah, i know we're nearly all included as Aryans due to being Indo-Europeans, but still the term itself would fit Slavs as well, i think he just wanted an excuse to make Germany much larger and the slavs were the neighbours, so they needed to spin it that way as well.

they picked on the slavs because it was easier to get to them than the british.

[Hexachordia]

they wouldn't exterminate Americans. They did not have the logistical power to even reach America.

Obviously american leaders thought otherwise or they would not have won the war. Allies sabotaged german nucealr plans before the war, they were aware of germans capability.
In comparison germans were naive agianst the allies what made them vulnerable in information war.

[Hexachordia]

Chichic should say, russian nazis should not worship Hitler, who was clearly an enemy to russian people, because german nazis were not and will never be friends of russians and most of non-german people. I

[Hexachordia]

Nazi Germany allied with japanese and traied with China seemingly an act of betrayal of aryanism, it was because germans considered non-germanic europeans contaminated with Judeo-christianity russian with communism but east asia clean of both. He was serious in prepration ot extermination of a lot of non-german europeans.

[Polski]

Nationalism and National Socialism is not the same thing. National Socialism is a German creation based on the German people.

Stop trying to troll me. Show me a quote as you keep insisting that the National Socialists viewed the Germans as the superior of the Germanic peoples?

Not all things that were combined into National Socialism was German and the term pre-dates Hitler and the NSDAP, stop being ignorant.


National Socialism was invented by Germans, it's a German movement.

Was it? German National Socialism yes, there is also other variants which pre-date the NSDAP.


I find slavic neo-nazis extremely stupid because nazism doesn't include them, regardless of the fact Hitler was talking shit about saying slavs are 'subhuman', Slavs and their r1a are more Aryan than the Germans are, if we're going on the fact Aryanism, means Iranic, that word has lost all it's true meaning.

Actually it does, all the peoples of Europe were included.

Hitler never called Slavs "subhumans".


The Germans have used the term sub-human very rarely. The whole hype was actually first made by the Allies.

Stop lying. There is lots of examples of the term "Untermenschen" (sub-humans) being used by the top National Socialists, mostly by Himmler and Goebbels.


You're right, this is what he first thought then he ordered a study to be done trying to compare Slavs to Germanics, to figure out why Slavs tend to gravitate towards communism (the real reason he called them "subhuman"), turns out they found old remnants of Slavic culture/continuity throughout the Germanic lands in particular the town where Hitler was from. Suffice to say, that rhetoric from then on stopped.

Also to clarify, according to Hitler even, Aryans = Indo Europeans, we just use Indo-European today to remain politically correct, while the historical documented term is in fact Aryan.

Hitler never called Slavs as "subhuman". He also said the peoples of Europe were 'Aryans', there is a speech where he says this.


Chichic should say, russian nazis should not worship Hitler, who was clearly an enemy to russian people, because german nazis were not and will never be friends of russians and most of non-german people. I

Hitler was more angry at the Russians for allowing the Bolsheviks to gain power and the threat of them more than anything. Many German National Socialists of that era were on friendly terms with the Russians, and a lot of non-Germans. Perhaps do some more research into this.

Hitler even was on friendly terms with the Poles until they rejected his peace offers:


"Germany has concluded a Non-Aggression Pact with Poland... We shall adhere to it unconditionally... we recognize Poland as the home of a great and nationally conscious people."

Hitler did not hate Poles. National-Socialism is not the enemy of any European peoples, yes some National Socialists like Himmler said some harsh things against certain peoples of Europe but this was not the agreed official ideology of NS but rather one's opinion.

[Hexachordia]

Hitler was more angry at the Russians for allowing the Bolsheviks to gain power and the threat of them more than anything. Many German National Socialists of that era were on friendly terms with the Russians, and a lot of non-Germans. Perhaps do some more research into this.

Hitler even was on friendly terms with the Poles until they rejected his peace offers:

Partly correct: most nazi germans were sympathizing slavic people, but do not consider nazis naive when the set up camps for extermination of POWs and jews.

[Polski]

Partly correct: most nazi germans were sympathizing slavic people, but do not consider nazis naive when the set up camps for extermination of POWs and jews.

When the Germans went into Ukraine for example they were greeted by the natives as liberators of communism. The harsh brutality on the Slavs was more political than anything (resistance stemming from patriotism, sympathetic to left-wing ideologies, etc), although it is true Himmler did view Slavs as racially inferior & mixed with Mongols.

[Hexachordia]

When the Germans went into Ukraine for example they were greeted by the natives as liberators of communism. The harsh brutality on the Slavs was more political than anything (resistance stemming from patriotism, sympathetic to left-wing ideologies, etc), although it is true Himmler did view Slavs as racially inferior & mixed with Mongols.

The battle of Kiev was likely what made Himmler formulated his decision about slavics, it was the first great victory Nazi Germany had. Harsh measures were all based on racial ground for the nazis, the handicapped germans, all physical unfit persons were all sent to extcamps, it is a matter of inner racial cleansing. Also, Stauffenburg the assassin of the Furhrer was to die with all his relatives, eradicating his blood from the world.

[Longbowman]

A lot of deluded Slavs on this thread.

[Chichic]

Stop trying to troll me. Show me a quote as you keep insisting that the National Socialists viewed the Germans as the superior of the Germanic peoples?

Not all things that were combined into National Socialism was German and the term pre-dates Hitler and the NSDAP, stop being ignorant.



Was it? German National Socialism yes, there is also other variants which pre-date the NSDAP.



Actually it does, all the peoples of Europe were included.

Hitler never called Slavs "subhumans".



Stop lying. There is lots of examples of the term "Untermenschen" (sub-humans) being used by the top National Socialists, mostly by Himmler and Goebbels.



Hitler never called Slavs as "subhuman". He also said the peoples of Europe were 'Aryans', there is a speech where he says this.



Hitler was more angry at the Russians for allowing the Bolsheviks to gain power and the threat of them more than anything. Many German National Socialists of that era were on friendly terms with the Russians, and a lot of non-Germans. Perhaps do some more research into this.

Hitler even was on friendly terms with the Poles until they rejected his peace offers:



Hitler did not hate Poles. National-Socialism is not the enemy of any European peoples, yes some National Socialists like Himmler said some harsh things against certain peoples of Europe but this was not the agreed official ideology of NS but rather one's opinion.

No, you are trolling the forum due to ignorance.

National Socialism makes no sense for anyone non German because its cornerstones are Germany, the German people and German interests, such as German virtues. It didn't exist before the Germans have created it and everything else is only a falsification of the actual National Socialism.

Yes, Hitler has sought to find a peaceful solution with Poland first but according to him, the Poles and Slavs were culturally and intellectually far inferior to the Germans. You have obviously no idea what you are talking about.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

although it is true Himmler did view Slavs as racially inferior & mixed with Mongols.

What about Himmler's creation of a central Asian institute & his Buddhist monk friends in Tibet! with Nazi Germany ordering expeditions to Tibet & Asia?

http://zenbuddhism.tribe.net/thread/4597a19e-c253-4589-acf7-9f8a98965c2d

Himmler looked like he was mixed with Mongol.

German Himmler.

http://www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/8/8d/Himmler.jpg/300px-Himmler.jpg

Japanese Tojo.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Hideki_Tojo.jpg

Of course Tojo's Japan was an ally of Himmler's Nazi Germany.

[Chichic]

Himmler looked like he was mixed with Mongol.

Himmler looked mainly like Alpinid and Nordid, with possible East Baltid admixture.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Himmler looked mainly like Alpinid and Nordid, with possible East Baltid admixture.

I would classify Himmler as Alpinid on the Lappinoid spectrum.

[Austo]

No, you are trolling the forum due to ignorance.

National Socialism makes no sense for anyone non German because its cornerstones are Germany, the German people and German interests, such as German virtues. It didn't exist before the Germans have created it and everything else is only a falsification of the actual National Socialism.

Yes, Hitler has sought to find a peaceful solution with Poland first but according to him, the Poles and Slavs were culturally and intellectually far inferior to the Germans. You have obviously no idea what you are talking about.

A german also invented communism, as you can see it spread over the world, so what you say is bullshit.

[LightHouse89]

Chichic should say, russian nazis should not worship Hitler, who was clearly an enemy to russian people, because german nazis were not and will never be friends of russians and most of non-german people. I

Well some SS and leadership did not agree with Hitler's views and even wetn as far as trying to arm Eastern Europeans to fight communism. I read this in a book about Russian Orthodox Christians. They allowed the orthodox church to reopen and the communists in turn allowed religion temporarily throughout the war. Hitler opposed al of it but his orders went largely ignored. Most eastern europeans who were exterminated were pro communists. There was an entire division for example that was Georgian, another that was Ukrainian, some were Polish etc..... The thing germans tried to do was Germanize these groups and place them under the German Nazi Empire. There were al sorts of foreign divisions wthin the German Army, from china, india, japan, arabs, Africans etc.... I believe the reason why was because the germans wanted other cultures to become national socialist with hopes these trained untis would go back to their homelands to rebel against their governments and install Fascist regimes everywhere. There is a book about that topic.

[LightHouse89]

Nazi Germany allied with japanese and traied with China seemingly an act of betrayal of aryanism, it was because germans considered non-germanic europeans contaminated with Judeo-christianity russian with communism but east asia clean of both. He was serious in prepration ot extermination of a lot of non-german europeans.

I think that as amajor mistake but he germans had no control over japan. They shouldn't have sided with japan once they invaded china. Not to mention it was japan that brought Germany at war with America. But throughout the war the grmans gave the Chinese military equipment which they used against the Japanese.

[LightHouse89]

A german also invented communism, as you can see it spread over the world, so what you say is bullshit.

true Engels was german and a nut. So communism is half jewsh and half german. But the idea of communism came about before marx, read Sir Thomas Moore's book 'Utopia'. so in essence it was an English catholic that devised the entire idea.

[LightHouse89]

I would classify Himmler as Alpinid on the Lappinoid spectrum.

this he did have a turanid look though.

[LightHouse89]

Partly correct: most nazi germans were sympathizing slavic people, but do not consider nazis naive when the set up camps for extermination of POWs and jews.

Hiter viewed it as uneuropean to be Marxist. He took his agenda to far with exterminating jews and the enemy. I don't care about him killing Marxists but eradicating people for no reason is pretty absurd. The Jews and some Slavic POWs would have been beneficial to the ideas of national socialism. Not to mention added millions to their ranks. They would have been more powerful with those numbers. America and Britain would have been eradicated had Hitler allowed that.

[Rudel]

No, you are trolling the forum due to ignorance.

National Socialism makes no sense for anyone non German because its cornerstones are Germany, the German people and German interests, such as German virtues. It didn't exist before the Germans have created it and everything else is only a falsification of the actual National Socialism.

Yes, Hitler has sought to find a peaceful solution with Poland first but according to him, the Poles and Slavs were culturally and intellectually far inferior to the Germans. You have obviously no idea what you are talking about.
The fusion of nationalism and socialism isn't exclusive to Germany.


Please show me evidence that Hitler wanted to enslave White French people.
Well, the facts that the Germans where enrolling hundreds of thousands (~600 000-650 000) into forced labor and that Eastern France was depopulated to be colonized by ethnic Germans (including the place my family comes from and where I grew up) seems like a good indication.

[LightHouse89]

The fusion of nationalism and socialism isn't exclusive to Germany.


Well, the facts that the Germans where enrolling hundreds of thousands (~600 000-650 000) into forced labor and that Eastern France was depopulated to be colonized by ethnic Germans (including the place my family comes from and where I grew up) seems like a good indication.

The German government and SS did not allowed the French to have an organized army as well. They refused to give armored vehicles to Vichy forces as well. So it would seem the germans tried to eradicate France in a way. That proved to be a major mistake because French people were not pro national socialism as a result. It would seem the Germans were not there to win hearts and minds which they should have done there and everywhere else. If they were more like Napoleon Bonaparte then today we would be speaking german hahahahaha

[Hexachordia]

Well some SS and leadership did not agree with Hitler's views and even wetn as far as trying to arm Eastern Europeans to fight communism. I read this in a book about Russian Orthodox Christians. They allowed the orthodox church to reopen and the communists in turn allowed religion temporarily throughout the war. Hitler opposed al of it but his orders went largely ignored. Most eastern europeans who were exterminated were pro communists. There was an entire division for example that was Georgian, another that was Ukrainian, some were Polish etc..... The thing germans tried to do was Germanize these groups and place them under the German Nazi Empire. There were al sorts of foreign divisions wthin the German Army, from china, india, japan, arabs, Africans etc.... I believe the reason why was because the germans wanted other cultures to become national socialist with hopes these trained untis would go back to their homelands to rebel against their governments and install Fascist regimes everywhere. There is a book about that topic.

Himmler himself opposed the germanization of ukrainians, but I am not sure if this was Hiters opinion. Hitler did said blacks are superior to jews and hoped Japan and China help him in invasion of Soviet, I am sure he wish no better for the slavics than Himmler did. Hitler had a postwar plan letting Japan and China own half of the world including India but share Tibet. I am confused why they are obsessed with Tibet.
Whatever this are unrepeatible dream now, sounds so musical to my ears. LOL.

[Hexachordia]

I think that as amajor mistake but he germans had no control over japan. They shouldn't have sided with japan once they invaded china. Not to mention it was japan that brought Germany at war with America. But throughout the war the grmans gave the Chinese military equipment which they used against the Japanese.

Hitler was so desparate to fight the soviet and his plans for the hated people, he seeked japanese and chinese reconcilation. But Japan refused to comply to chinese conditions, japanese hated chinese would not agree to ally with KMT. Also, Japanese royal family was pessimistic about nazi Germany s promises to ced China and India, japanese thinktank did not trust Hitler. Japanese was eager to control all of China before invading Soviet, they could not stand being balanced by another asian power.

Nazi Germany will eventually at war with teh USA, USA was the greatest custodian nation to Hilers hated people and Hitler considered americans as unworthy as russians. I think the biggest mistake was Germany was too confident about their own information, letting allies spies mess up the war for them. Nazi Germany failed largely dued to espionage and failure in information warfare.

Alan Turing saved Europe from being conquered, if not for timely code breaking Germany could have bomb the hell out of England. Sadly few nazis at the time knew their code was broken and used untill the end of war. The same happened to japanese armies in pacific theater too, massive chinese geniuses joined US code breaking team and down many plans and ships. Also the nuclear transport was captured by americans. The information warfare was so fatal to teh Axis powers, making them open target for all the time.

[Longbowman]

Hitler was so desparate to fight the soviet and his plans for the hated people, he seeked japanese and chinese reconcilation. But Japan refused to comply to chinese conditions, japanese hated chinese would not agree to ally with KMT. Also, Japanese royal family was pessimistic about nazi Germany s promises to ced China and India, japanese thinktank did not trust Hitler. Japanese was eager to control all of China before invading Soviet, they could not stand being balanced by another asian power.

Nazi Germany will eventually at war with teh USA, USA was the greatest custodian nation to Hilers hated people and Hitler considered americans as unworthy as russians. I think the biggest mistake was Germany was too confident about their own information, letting allies spies mess up the war for them. Nazi Germany failed largely dued to espionage and failure in information warfare.

Alan Turing saved Europe from being conquered, if not for timely code breaking Germany could have bomb the hell out of England. Sadly few nazis at the time knew their code was broken and used untill the end of war. The same happened to japanese armies in pacific theater too, massive chinese geniuses joined US code breaking team and down many plans and ships. Also the nuclear transport was captured by americans. The information warfare was so fatal to teh Axis powers, making them open target for all the time.

Sadly?

We were the righteous nation. We had God on our side.

[Hexachordia]

Hiter viewed it as uneuropean to be Marxist. He took his agenda to far with exterminating jews and the enemy. I don't care about him killing Marxists but eradicating people for no reason is pretty absurd. The Jews and some Slavic POWs would have been beneficial to the ideas of national socialism. Not to mention added millions to their ranks. They would have been more powerful with those numbers. America and Britain would have been eradicated had Hitler allowed that.

They lost the information war that was bottomline, LOL. and a drag queen mathematician beated SS heroes. No matter if Hitler had more numbers, they doomed to lose the war since those people were not properly trained. You know how hard it was to train a qualified spy? I also doubt many ukrainians will fight for nazis too, Stahlin betrayaed ukrainians so it was why ukrainians supported nazis. Those number will not help any better. Nazis already had Bosnians, croatians, czeks, slovakians finns, norwagians they still lose because of lagging in information warfares. Hitler was right to excute measures against communists since japanese did the same thing, communists were fierce and numerous. Japanese and KMT even allied at one point to exterminate the maoist armies, but two patriotic generals to Chiangkaishek disobeyed the order even caused a historical incident: Xi An incident, two major generals rebelled against their supreme leader and forcing KMT to end allience with japanese against communist chinese.

[Hexachordia]

Sadly?

We were the righteous nation. We had God on our side.

I am not against that part, Alan Turing was such a legend, he was an angel. :thumb001:

I meant Axis powers were so incredibley weak in information part.

[Polski]

No, you are trolling the forum due to ignorance.

National Socialism makes no sense for anyone non German because its cornerstones are Germany, the German people and German interests, such as German virtues. It didn't exist before the Germans have created it and everything else is only a falsification of the actual National Socialism.

Yes, Hitler has sought to find a peaceful solution with Poland first but according to him, the Poles and Slavs were culturally and intellectually far inferior to the Germans. You have obviously no idea what you are talking about.

I've already told you, German National Socialism is applied to the German people primarily but also to all ethnic groups of Europe (Aryans).

Nobody doubted that Hitler viewed Slavs as culturally inferior to Germans but one must remember the time he said this, back in the early 20th century many would have agreed with him.

I'm still waiting for you to show me proof of them allegedly being superior to even other Germanic peoples, a quote or anything... but no it won't happen because no such thing exists.

Everybody knows you are a troll.


What about Himmler's creation of a central Asian institute & his Buddhist monk friends in Tibet! with Nazi Germany ordering expeditions to Tibet & Asia?

http://zenbuddhism.tribe.net/thread/4597a19e-c253-4589-acf7-9f8a98965c2d

Himmler looked like he was mixed with Mongol.

German Himmler.

http://www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/8/8d/Himmler.jpg/300px-Himmler.jpg

Japanese Tojo.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Hideki_Tojo.jpg

Of course Tojo's Japan was an ally of Himmler's Nazi Germany.

Some photos of Himmler gave a fake Mongol look, he was ethnically German.

[Chichic]

I've already told you, German National Socialism is applied to the German people primarily but also to all ethnic groups of Europe (Aryans).

Nobody doubted that Hitler viewed Slavs as culturally inferior to Germans but one must remember the time he said this, back in the early 20th century many would have agreed with him.

I'm still waiting for you to show me proof of them allegedly being superior to even other Germanic peoples, a quote or anything... but no it won't happen because no such thing exists.

According to Hitler and National Socialism, Germans are the noblest of all Germanic peoples.

[Visitor_22]

I honestly belive most modert "neo-nazis" would be exterminated by the original nazis, and this just proves it; 2 million non-Jewish Poles and 3 million non-Jewish Ukranians were exterminated by the nazis during WWII, as part of Hitler's plan of making eastern Europe "living space" for the Aryan race, and turning Slavic people into slaves; Slavic neo-nazis simply ignore that! You don't have to support Hitler to preserve the White race! Poland, Ukraine and Belarus were almost whipped off the map, and you support that just because you need an excuse to hate Jews?
Serious comments please.

Yep, also don't forget 2 millions ukrainians and kazakhs died from hunger because of communist jewish rulers in 20-30's. It was called "Holodomor / Голодомор".

But you are right actually.

[LightHouse89]

Even the Georgians and Armenians and some Turk supported Germany. I dislike how Germany treated Jews, especially German jews. To me had Germany not treated them horribly today Germany would still be a world power. Today the Anglo-Saxon dominated world is becoming less and less popular because of their ideas and their culture is becoming increasingly more disgusting. Its kind of a sick joke, America to me inherited the righteous Anglo-Saxon outlook and even here culturally and morally we have been flushed down the toilet. The anti Jew rhetoric doesn't help nationalists how ever where I live you have nationalists who are pro Israel.....I think picking sides in the middle east isn't a wise idea. I think we all agree that globalization isn't wise.

I wish the National Socialists had done things differently in the past.

[LightHouse89]

Yep, also don't forget 2 millions ukrainians and kazakhs died from hunger because of communist jewish rulers in 20-30's. It was called "Holodomor / Голодомор".

But you are right actually.

yes Marxists in America openly praised that along with the millions of Chinese people and Latin Americans who were butchered by the Red Beasts. The claimed it would benefit mankind.

cultural Marxists in the west. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson

more traitors in the west that should have been put in the gas chambers [not 6 million peasant Jews].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book

[LightHouse89]

Sadly?

We were the righteous nation. We had God on our side.

God was not on our side. Money was. America controls the worlds economy.

[Longbowman]

God was not on our side. Money was. America controls the worlds economy.

This is 1945 we're talking about m'dear.

It's not like the Germans lacked money. They did, however, lack oil, after the fall of Romania.

[LightHouse89]

This is 1945 we're talking about m'dear.

It's not like the Germans lacked money. They did, however, lack oil, after the fall of Romania.

Before 1945 America controlled alot of the worlds money. You brits didn't pay us back until 2006 LOL. I hate the proposition mind set of westerners though.....along with a strong sense of individualism has created a people and multiple generations who have become irresponsible. Not to go off topic but the modern western world is just disgusting to me. The average person is self centered. But we are not only militaristically in control of the world but economically as well.

[Longbowman]

I've already told you, German National Socialism is applied to the German people primarily but also to all ethnic groups of Europe (Aryans).

Nobody doubted that Hitler viewed Slavs as culturally inferior to Germans but one must remember the time he said this, back in the early 20th century many would have agreed with him.

I'm still waiting for you to show me proof of them allegedly being superior to even other Germanic peoples, a quote or anything... but no it won't happen because no such thing exists.

Everybody knows you are a troll.



Some photos of Himmler gave a fake Mongol look, he was ethnically German.

Chichic might be a troll, but you're a deluded Polish nazi who thinks Hitler didn't try to exterminate your grandparents...

Even Stormfront agrees with me :laugh:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t258513/

Filled with quotes picked out by people who for the most part actually like Hitler.

Go nuts, buddy.

[LightHouse89]

not necessarily some Poles were sparred. However the Poles vs German thing is like Serbs vs Bosniaks.....its more or less just out right ethnic hatred that goes back to the middle ages. Old world mentality.

[Polski]

According to Hitler and National Socialism, Germans are the noblest of all Germanic peoples.

Give me the exact quote and source where Hitler says this. And no, German National Socialism does not say that, nor does 'noble' mean 'superior'.


Chichic might be a troll, but you're a deluded Polish nazi who thinks Hitler didn't try to exterminate your grandparents...

Even Stormfront agrees with me :laugh:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t258513/

Filled with quotes picked out by people who for the most part actually like Hitler.

Go nuts, buddy.

You don't need to start personally attacking me.

Hitler would not have wanted my grandparents dead, Hitler did not hate Poles.

In fact, Hitler did not even want to exterminate Jews, up to this date no such order of exterminating Jews exists.

The famous fake Hitler quote "kill without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language" and has already been refuted, you can research this yourself if you are interested.

As far as Hitler making anti-Slav statements, I never have denied this but what you must remember is that it was a different time back then and a lot of what he says regarding Slavs (at that time) was not exactly wrong, Slavs were a lot less developed economically and overall in the countries compared to say Germany then. Never mind the territory dispute, Hitler without a doubt regarding Slavs as racially inferior to Germans but he still regarded them as Aryans. In regards to Slavs who were killed, most was due to their ideology belief (Communists, etc) and resistance due to patriotism against the Germans.

National Socialism is not the enemy of the Poles or any Slavs, it is a pan-European/pan-Aryan ideology, some of the NS folk back then were anti-Slav like Himmler who on several occasions used the term 'sub-humans' against them, Hitler never did. Rosenberg was also against the treatment the Slavs received from the SS and others.

Hitler even arranged a funeral service after Jozef Pilsudski passed away, up until 1938/39 he was on very friendly terms with Poles.


not necessarily some Poles were sparred. However the Poles vs German thing is like Serbs vs Bosniaks.....its more or less just out right ethnic hatred that goes back to the middle ages. Old world mentality.

Not really. Most of it was to do with territory dispute rather than ethnic nationalism. Although Hitler's pan-German nationalist ideology of living space in the east did play a factor, his lebensraum was not his idea or a National Socialist idea, German expansion in the east pre-dates way way back.

[Windischer]

LOLWUT polak nazi is bak!
ta co poľačku, dluho nam bulo bes tebe. ňezapomnul śi ňeśkaj na rano zahajlovac? :D

[Chichic]

Give me the exact quote and source where Hitler says this. And no, German National Socialism does not say that, nor does 'noble' mean 'superior'.



You don't need to start personally attacking me.

Hitler would not have wanted my grandparents dead, Hitler did not hate Poles.

In fact, Hitler did not even want to exterminate Jews, up to this date no such order of exterminating Jews exists.

The famous fake Hitler quote "kill without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language" and has already been refuted, you can research this yourself if you are interested.

As far as Hitler making anti-Slav statements, I never have denied this but what you must remember is that it was a different time back then and a lot of what he says regarding Slavs (at that time) was not exactly wrong, Slavs were a lot less developed economically and overall in the countries compared to say Germany then. Never mind the territory dispute, Hitler without a doubt regarding Slavs as racially inferior to Germans but he still regarded them as Aryans. In regards to Slavs who were killed, most was due to their ideology belief (Communists, etc) and resistance due to patriotism against the Germans.

National Socialism is not the enemy of the Poles or any Slavs, it is a pan-European/pan-Aryan ideology, some of the NS folk back then were anti-Slav like Himmler who on several occasions used the term 'sub-humans' against them, Hitler never did. Rosenberg was also against the treatment the Slavs received from the SS and others.

Hitler even arranged a funeral service after Jozef Pilsudski passed away, up until 1938/39 he was on very friendly terms with Poles.



Not really. Most of it was to do with territory dispute rather than ethnic nationalism. Although Hitler's pan-German nationalist ideology of living space in the east did play a factor, his lebensraum was not his idea or a National Socialist idea, German expansion in the east pre-dates way way back.

National Socialism is pan European insofar since it sees the Germanic peoples as sole carriers of the European culture.

I see you're already known here for your ignorance and stubbornness.

[Rudel]

This is 1945 we're talking about m'dear.

It's not like the Germans lacked money. They did, however, lack oil, after the fall of Romania.
They lacked most industrial resources needed for a war effort. German steel by the end of the war was piss-poor, riddled with impurities and prone to break a lot (nice to know when you're driving a tank).
And that's not counting widespread sabotage, as German fought using forced labor was wise.


more traitors in the west that should have been put in the gas chambers [not 6 million peasant Jews].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book
de Gaulle's in it, I fail to see how he qualifies as a traitor since he was fighting, you know, for his own country and not for a foreign horde of blood-thirsty Huns.

[Longbowman]

You don't need to start personally attacking me.

I'm sorry but I don't think I did. I called you a deluded Polish nazi. You are Polish, you are a nazi, and I firmly believe you are deluded (on this issue). Unless you aren't?


In fact, Hitler did not even want to exterminate Jews, up to this date no such order of exterminating Jews exists.

Oh, the most pathetic argument of holocaust deniers :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_v_Penguin_Books_and_Lipstadt


The famous fake Hitler quote "kill without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language" and has already been refuted, you can research this yourself if you are interested.

There are dozens of quotes there, refute them all please.


As far as Hitler making anti-Slav statements, I never have denied this but what you must remember is that it was a different time back then and a lot of what he says regarding Slavs (at that time) was not exactly wrong, Slavs were a lot less developed economically and overall in the countries compared to say Germany then. Never mind the territory dispute, Hitler without a doubt regarding Slavs as racially inferior to Germans but he still regarded them as Aryans. In regards to Slavs who were killed, most was due to their ideology belief (Communists, etc) and resistance due to patriotism against the Germans.

Three to five million Soviet POWs starved to death. A few thousand Western POWs starved to death. Aight then.


National Socialism is not the enemy of the Poles or any Slavs, it is a pan-European/pan-Aryan ideology, some of the NS folk back then were anti-Slav like Himmler who on several occasions used the term 'sub-humans' against them, Hitler never did. Rosenberg was also against the treatment the Slavs received from the SS and others.


Even if true, which it isn't, your hero-worship of Hitler doesn't make the third reich a one-man machine and it is indisputable that the Germans, or many of the Germans, that invaded Poland considered themselves superior to the Poles. Were there not first-class carriages for Germans only in Polish cities? Were Polish citizens not officially second class? Yes and yes.


Hitler even arranged a funeral service after Jozef Pilsudski passed away, up until 1938/39 he was on very friendly terms with Poles.


He was on good terms with the Soviets until 1941 but we know his ulterior motive there too.


Not really. Most of it was to do with territory dispute rather than ethnic nationalism. Although Hitler's pan-German nationalist ideology of living space in the east did play a factor, his lebensraum was not his idea or a National Socialist idea, German expansion in the east pre-dates way way back.

None of his ideas were that original. Just because he didn't come up with it doesn't mean he didn't like it. And he did like it.

[Mortimer]

I think Russians and Poles can be Nazis and were seen as Aryans by the Germans and kindred people like italians or french. Russians and Poles have a good share of Nordid People who were seen as superior by the Nazis. But nazism is a wrong ideology.

[Polski]

National Socialism is pan European insofar since it sees the Germanic peoples as sole carriers of the European culture.

I see you're already known here for your ignorance and stubbornness.

I've still asked for you to prove a quote showing me they viewed the Germans as the most superior Germanic peoples?

You're the one who is ignorant and stubborn.


I'm sorry but I don't think I did. I called you a deluded Polish nazi. You are Polish, you are a nazi, and I firmly believe you are deluded (on this issue). Unless you aren't?

Calling me "deluded" is a personal attack, is it not? There is no need for it really.

What am I deluded about?


Oh, the most pathetic argument of holocaust deniers :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_v_Penguin_Books_and_Lipstadt

Why is one a "Holocaust denier" for simply questioning a historical event. This does not prove an order exists neither, may you also remind yourself Deborah Lipstadt did not even prove David Irving wrong and she had a lot more money on her side.


There are dozens of quotes there, refute them all please.

There is no quotes (besides that fake one) ordering the extermination of ethnic Poles.


Three to five million Soviet POWs starved to death. A few thousand Western POWs starved to death. Aight then.

And? This is what unfortunately happens during the war, millions of Germans did too. Are you not aware of how Germans were treat near the end of the war and afterwards who were innocent civilians?


Even if true, which it isn't, your hero-worship of Hitler doesn't make the third reich a one-man machine and it is indisputable that the Germans, or many of the Germans, that invaded Poland considered themselves superior to the Poles. Were there not first-class carriages for Germans only in Polish cities? Were Polish citizens not officially second class? Yes and yes.

I've never doubted many Germans viewed themselves as superior to Poles or others that lived in Poland but the fact remains in regards to the Third Reich racial laws the Poles were officially 'racially equal' to the Germans themselves. Yes they were many "Germans only" areas, I've never denied this.

Poles were not considered second class citizens, in fact even ethnic Poles could be citizens of the Reich too:


Arischer Abstammung ist demnach derjenige Mensch, der frei von einem, vom deutschen Volke aus gesehen, fremdrassigen Blutseinschlage ist. Als fremd gilt hier vor allem das Blut der auch im europäischen Siedlungsraume lebenden Juden und Zigeuner, das der asiatischen und afrikanischen Rassen und der Ureinwohner Australiens und Amerikas (Indianer), während z.B. ein Engländer oder Schwede, ein Franzose oder Tscheche, ein Pole oder Italiener, wenn er selbst frei von solchen, auch ihm fremden Blutseinschlägen ist, als verwandt, also als arisch gelten muß, mag er nun in seiner Heimat oder in Ostasien oder in Amerika wohnen oder mag er Bürger der U.S.A. oder eines südamerikanischen Freistaates sein.

Aryan is thus the one man who looked free from, the German people, strange racial impact is blood. Deemed to be a stranger here, especially the blood of the living room and in the European settlement of Jews and Gypsies, the Asian and African breeds, and the aborigines of Australia and America (Indians), while, for example, a Swede or an Englishman, a Frenchman or Czech, a Pole or Italian, if he is free of such, even that is foreign blood strikes, when used, must therefore be considered severally liable, he may now live in his home, in East Asia or in America or he likes a U.S. citizen or a South American Free State be.


A member of any minority group demonstrates his ability to serve the German Reich when, without surrendering membership in his own specific Volk group, he loyally carries out his civil duties to the Reich, such as service in the armed forces, etc. Reich citizenship is, therefore, open to racially related groups living in Germany, such as Poles, Danes, and others. It is an altogether different matter with German nationals of alien blood and race. They do not fulfill the blood prerequisites for Reich citizenship. The Jews, who constitute an alien body among all European peoples, are especially characterized by racial foreignness. Jews, therefore, cannot be seen as being fit for service to the German Volk and Reich. Hence, they must necessarily remain excluded from Reich citizenship.

That is two examples of how ethnic Poles were used as examples of "racially related blood" and eligible for citizenship to the Reich.


He was on good terms with the Soviets until 1941 but we know his ulterior motive there too.

Poland and the Soviet Union are two different places that are not comparable in the concept of Hitler's foreign policy or aims. He was never really on good terms with the Soviets and he despised the Soviet Union with a passion, this was not the case with Poland.


None of his ideas were that original. Just because he didn't come up with it doesn't mean he didn't like it. And he did like it.

Some of his or the Third Reich's ideas were original. The peoples car Volkswagen Beetle for example.


I think Russians and Poles can be Nazis and were seen as Aryans by the Germans and kindred people like italians or french. Russians and Poles have a good share of Nordid People who were seen as superior by the Nazis. But nazism is a wrong ideology.

Why is National Socialism a "wrong" ideology?

[epirot]

The Nazi's were cleaver enough to hide their expansionism under the cloak of the fight against jewish communism. Whilst that struggle can be justified, the death of millions of Slavs for the benefit of Teutonic people cannot be justified in any sense.

The struggle between Germanic and Slavic people is not a new one;

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2009/10/7/1254930250269/Scene-from-Alexander-Nevs-001.jpg

you are the man.....

[Mortimer]

Why is National Socialism a "wrong" ideology?

that is self-explanatory, it is anti-semitic, racist and hateful and commited genocide

[Polski]

that is self-explanatory, it is anti-semitic, racist and hateful and commited genocide

No, National-Socialism pre dates the NSDAP.

Anti-semitism is not always a bad thing. Racism is natural according to the politically correct definition and the term "genocide" is a made up word after the war and please don't believe in all the Holocaust fairy tales.

[Mortimer]

No, National-Socialism pre dates the NSDAP.

Anti-semitism is not always a bad thing. Racism is natural according to the politically correct definition and the term "genocide" is a made up word after the war and please don't believe in all the Holocaust fairy tales.

so you are anti-semite racist and holocaust denier

[Chichic]

No, National-Socialism pre dates the NSDAP.

Anti-semitism is not always a bad thing. Racism is natural according to the politically correct definition and the term "genocide" is a made up word after the war and please don't believe in all the Holocaust fairy tales.

You are Polish and love National Socialism?

Great, if you support your own subjugation to the Germans.

[Longbowman]

I've still asked for you to prove a quote showing me they viewed the Germans as the most superior Germanic peoples?

...


You're the one who is ignorant and stubborn.

No.


Calling me "deluded" is a personal attack, is it not? There is no need for it really.

What am I deluded about?

You deny the Holocaust, which is calling me the same, and worse, calling my family liars.

You are deluded about Nazism. This is evident to everyone but you.



Why is one a "Holocaust denier" for simply questioning a historical event. This does not prove an order exists neither, may you also remind yourself Deborah Lipstadt did not even prove David Irving wrong and she had a lot more money on her side.

You admit to being a Holocaust Denier though.


There is no quotes (besides that fake one) ordering the extermination of ethnic Poles.

There's no direct order preserved in writing. Therefore it didn't happen.


And? This is what unfortunately happens during the war, millions of Germans did too. Are you not aware of how Germans were treat near the end of the war and afterwards who were innocent civilians?

It is how they died. The Soviets also committed atrocities; however, though the vast majority of Soviet POWs died, the vast majority of British POWs survived. The Soviets were treated far worse because of their race. Really, I don't see how anyone could fail to see this.

I've never doubted many Germans viewed themselves as superior to Poles or others that lived in Poland but the fact remains in regards to the Third Reich racial laws the Poles were officially 'racially equal' to the Germans themselves. Yes they were many "Germans only" areas, I've never denied this.

Poles were not considered second class citizens, in fact even ethnic Poles could be citizens of the Reich too:

That is two examples of how ethnic Poles were used as examples of "racially related blood" and eligible for citizenship to the Reich.

You're such an uncle tom! Poles were second class citizens, you admitted it yourself. 'Yeah, Whitey gets all dem best water-fountains and he gets t'sit n'front o' th' bus, bu' he treats me riiigh, I get ma' tree-fitty a year when Whitey gets eigh'-fitty. Whitey migh' own mah ass but he and we is equals.'

Even though the possibility existed for Poles to rise the ranks, as with blacks in America, they were second class citizens. The fact there were German-only areas, cars, and positions in Poland whereas there were no Polish only areas shows they were second class citizens.

My great-great-uncles fought in the Polish army; both ended up in the Warsaw Uprising, and one was killed. You are a traitor to Poland and nothing more.


Poland and the Soviet Union are two different places that are not comparable in the concept of Hitler's foreign policy or aims. He was never really on good terms with the Soviets and he despised the Soviet Union with a passion, this was not the case with Poland.

You are incorrect. Hitler always viewed Western Poland as terra irridenta, and German land. Alludes to it in Mein Kampf.


Some of his or the Third Reich's ideas were original. The peoples car Volkswagen Beetle for example.

Making a car is the best example you can think of? Point made.

[tiffin]

It is so widely known so as to constitute an emphatic, alarming fact that the Nazis planned and practiced a cultural genocide against the Poles. This manifested not just in the destruction of Polish museums, national monuments and historic treasures, but in the closing down of all forms of Polish tertiary education, including the closing down of Polish high schools and brutal murdering of Polish scholars. Polish children were to be given only a basic education; nothing beyond an elementary level, with the ultimate goal of turning the Polish into slaves for Germany.

"The sole goal of this schooling is to teach them simple arithmetic, nothing above the number 500; writing one's name; and the doctrine that it is divine law to obey the Germans. I do not think that reading is desirable." -- Heinrich Himmler

[Chichic]

It is so widely known so as to constitute an emphatic, alarming fact that the Nazis planned and practiced a cultural genocide against the Poles. This manifested not just in the destruction of Polish museums, national monuments and historic treasures, but in the closing down of all forms of Polish tertiary education, including the closing down of Polish high schools and brutal murdering of Polish scholars. Polish children were to be given only a basic education; nothing beyond an elementary level, with the ultimate goal of turning the Polish into slaves for Germany.

You should be very quiet now. You have damaged and destroyed plenty of historical German buildings with your coward airstrikes at night. Not to mention the many death victims you caused deliberately and the mass rapes of German women committed by British soldiers.

[Longbowman]

You should be very quiet now. You have damaged and destroyed plenty of historical German buildings with your coward airstrikes at night. Not to mention the many death victims you caused deliberately and the mass rapes of German women committed by Soviet soldiers.

fixed.

Anyhow you bombed us first.

[Kiyant]

fixed.

Anyhow you bombed us first.

The soviet rape is overly exaggerated

[Longbowman]

The soviet rape is overly exaggerated

It definitely happened. Let's not stoop to their level and deny the atrocities committed against them.

I have no Soviet relatives, but the great-uncle of mine that survived the Warsaw Uprising fought with the Soviets to Berlin. No bias.

[Kiyant]

It definitely happened. Let's not stoop to their level and deny the atrocities committed against them.

I have no Soviet relatives, but the great-uncle of mine that survived the Warsaw Uprising fought with the Soviets to Berlin. No bias.

Of course there were massive rapes but its so overblown to make the soviets look bad

[Longbowman]

Of course there were massive rapes but its so overblown to make the soviets look bad

Well, the Soviets weren't great. They looked pretty good because the Nazis were there, but objectively the Soviets were pretty bad. Their treatment of German POWs was atrocious, their treatment of their own citizens was not great, they had been Hitler's allies until he betrayed them, they refused to help the Home Army in the Warsaw Uprising even though they could have, etc.

[Chichic]

fixed.

Anyhow you bombed us first.

No, the British have raped German women as well.

The Germans didn't target human victims, for the British, however, human victims were top priority.

[Longbowman]

No, the British have raped German women as well.

The Germans didn't target human victims, for the British, however, human victims were top priority.

What a ridiculous statement. Of course they did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhoudt_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Paradis_massacre

plus the holocaust, porajmos, annihilation of slavs, Aktion T4, the Blitz, etc.

[LightHouse89]

No, the British have raped German women as well.

The Germans didn't target human victims, for the British, however, human victims were top priority.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMohuVwBC0Q&hd=1

the western powers isolated the germans from the very beginning. as to divide and conquer so ne less super pow would exist........ Germany today is a puppet state for Nato, the UN and America..... and is going to be used against Russia.

[Polski]

You deny the Holocaust, which is calling me the same, and worse, calling my family liars.

Not at all, questioning parts of a historical event does not make one a denier but rather a revisionist. Jews like to use the term "Holocaust denier" to suppress and force people from investigating the historical event the Holocaust. I don't think you actually grasp what revisionism is, of course crimes happened and of course Jews were killed but the methods, overall amount and the actual official policy are questionable.


You are deluded about Nazism. This is evident to everyone but you.

What am I in denial about?


You admit to being a Holocaust Denier though.

Just because I don't accept the Holocaust as it is told today does not make me a "denier", in reality it just makes me question things that are told. What is the harm, I mean... if there is nothing to hide then there should not be any laws against it and everything should be able to be refuted.


There's no direct order preserved in writing. Therefore it didn't happen.

Nice twist of things but a fail nevertheless. I don't think you understood what I meant, an order as "official policy" to exterminate Jews. Can you show me such an order from Hitler?


It is how they died. The Soviets also committed atrocities; however, though the vast majority of Soviet POWs died, the vast majority of British POWs survived. The Soviets were treated far worse because of their race. Really, I don't see how anyone could fail to see this.

Show me some evidence that Soviets were treated far worse because of their race. What race are we talking here anyways...? Soviet was a description for anyone of the Soviet Union which included a lot of different peoples.


You're such an uncle tom! Poles were second class citizens, you admitted it yourself. 'Yeah, Whitey gets all dem best water-fountains and he gets t'sit n'front o' th' bus, bu' he treats me riiigh, I get ma' tree-fitty a year when Whitey gets eigh'-fitty. Whitey migh' own mah ass but he and we is equals.'

Are you just acting dumb or what?

I've just shown you TWO different examples of National Socialist usage of Poles being eligible for Reich citizenship and were considered racially related to the Germans.

Please, open up some real books and not your History Channel nonsense.


Even though the possibility existed for Poles to rise the ranks, as with blacks in America, they were second class citizens. The fact there were German-only areas, cars, and positions in Poland whereas there were no Polish only areas shows they were second class citizens.

Again, its not my fault you cannot understand things. Reich citizenship and the Germanization in the east are two different concepts, Poles were able to be citizens too, I've shown you evidence for this.


My great-great-uncles fought in the Polish army; both ended up in the Warsaw Uprising, and one was killed. You are a traitor to Poland and nothing more.

Your opinion but I fail to see how. Just because some of your relatives died means nothing to what we are discussing.


You are incorrect. Hitler always viewed Western Poland as terra irridenta, and German land. Alludes to it in Mein Kampf.

You might want to open up some books like I've suggested already because god knows what you are basing your nonsense from.

You might want to check Hitler's offers to Poland, many noted on his modesty to the Polish dispute over territory:

"Of all the Germans, Believe it or not, Hitler is the most moderate as far as Danzig and the Corridor are concerned." - Sir, Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Berlin, 16th August, 1939


Making a car is the best example you can think of? Point made.

You said he never made anything original, I proved you wrong... accept it.


You should be very quiet now. You have damaged and destroyed plenty of historical German buildings with your coward airstrikes at night. Not to mention the many death victims you caused deliberately and the mass rapes of German women committed by British soldiers.

Trolling again today are we? You're boring.

[Longbowman]

Not at all, questioning parts of a historical event does not make one a denier but rather a revisionist. Jews like to use the term "Holocaust denier" to suppress and force people from investigating the historical event the Holocaust. I don't think you actually grasp what revisionism is, of course crimes happened and of course Jews were killed but the methods, overall amount and the actual official policy are questionable.

Denying the Holocaust is denying a concerted effort by the Nazis existed, and succeeded in killing millions of Jews, Gypsies and Slavs for no other crime than for being Jewish, Gypsy or Slavic. Certain other undesirables were also persecuted. Arguing over details and methodology is not Holocaust denial. If you fall into the latter half, I retract my complaint.


What am I in denial about?

The realities of Nazism.


Just because I don't accept the Holocaust as it is told today does not make me a "denier", in reality it just makes me question things that are told. What is the harm, I mean... if there is nothing to hide then there should not be any laws against it and everything should be able to be refuted.


I agree there should be no laws against denial in and of itself (though of course, one could sue for libel if told one were a liar, as in the Irving-Lipstadt case, but that was in the UK, where we have no laws against denial specifically). How do you view the Holocaust?


Nice twist of things but a fail nevertheless. I don't think you understood what I meant, an order as "official policy" to exterminate Jews. Can you show me such an order from Hitler?

No. But it has been demonstrated that whether or not such a direct order existed, Hitler was aware of the Holocaust, and happy with its results. Isn't that enough? It is known Eichmann was the 'architect of the final solution;' Hitler didn't bother himself with the busywork.


Show me some evidence that Soviets were treated far worse because of their race. What race are we talking here anyways...? Soviet was a description for anyone of the Soviet Union which included a lot of different peoples.

The Slavic race. I just showed you evidence. 90% of Soviet POWs were killed. A handful of Anglo POWs were killed.


I've just shown you TWO different examples of National Socialist usage of Poles being eligible for Reich citizenship and were considered racially related to the Germans.

Please, open up some real books and not your History Channel nonsense.

If someone invaded my country and told me I could still be a lawyer, but weren't allowed in first-class carriages or in the city's nicest parks, like I was some kind of dog, I'd know how they felt. If I didn't know some very decent and smart Poles, I'd think Poles liked being subjugated.


Again, its not my fault you cannot understand things. Reich citizenship and the Germanization in the east are two different concepts, Poles were able to be citizens too, I've shown you evidence for this.

Who's engaging in personal attacks now? I've already explained the difference between de jure and de facto and the treatment of Poles actually fell into both categories. Could you give me a number of Polish citizens who were citizens of the Reich, please?


Your opinion but I fail to see how. Just because some of your relatives died means nothing to what we are discussing.

Like Petain, you bend over backwards to suck the cock of the army that invaded your country.


You said he never made anything original, I proved you wrong... accept it.

Then humour me, and give me a second example beyond the oh-so-indisputable car.

You're just a fanboy who can't stand that his hero would have hated his guts.

[Yaroslav]

Holocaust is a joke. You must be either stupid or in connivance with the Jew to believe that blatant hoax.

[Longbowman]

Holocaust is a joke. You must be either stupid or in connivance with the Jew to believe that blatant hoax.

Pardon me, but I'll take my grandfather's word over your babbling.

[Chichic]

I've just shown you TWO different examples of National Socialist usage of Poles being eligible for Reich citizenship and were considered racially related to the Germans.

These Poles have gotten the chance for a life in Germany because they were seen as Germanic people by blood who actually should have never been Poles. They were brought into the Reich as Germans, not as Poles.

[LightHouse89]

No, National-Socialism pre dates the NSDAP.

Anti-semitism is not always a bad thing. Racism is natural according to the politically correct definition and the term "genocide" is a made up word after the war and please don't believe in all the Holocaust fairy tales.

The fact people do not realize that is what astonishes me.......some people do not like to read unless they are forced by the state funded and ran education system. However I am speaking bout the National Socialist party pre Hitler. I guess people enjoy living in the Sodom and Gomorrah we all live under. The people will continue live in their states of vanity until a major economic crisis occurs and then they will listen :thumb001: I pray for the banks to fall and the middle class to vanish.....its already beginning especially where I live.

[LightHouse89]

No, National-Socialism pre dates the NSDAP.

Anti-semitism is not always a bad thing. Racism is natural according to the politically correct definition and the term "genocide" is a made up word after the war and please don't believe in all the Holocaust fairy tales.

The national socialist party pre Hitler is something these people know very little about and its because they choose not to.....why look up anything yourself when the information is told to you by the authorities. I love how the majority of people live in a state of vanity. It requires a great economic catastrophe to occur for them to see how his system has swindled us.

[Polski]

so you are anti-semite racist and holocaust denier

Being called "racist" these days is a compliment, I don't fear being called it. In fact, when one calls you as such it shows their cannot debate but has to personally insult you instead. :thumb001:


You are Polish and love National Socialism?

Great, if you support your own subjugation to the Germans.

I greatly admire National Socialism yes. I don't agree with everything that was said/done but the overall principles I do.


Denying the Holocaust is denying a concerted effort by the Nazis existed, and succeeded in killing millions of Jews, Gypsies and Slavs for no other crime than for being Jewish, Gypsy or Slavic. Certain other undesirables were also persecuted. Arguing over details and methodology is not Holocaust denial. If you fall into the latter half, I retract my complaint.

The Holocaust is nothing shy of a hoax, the whole legend as it goes has obvious loopholes in it, how can't you see this?



The realities of Nazism.

So, what are the "realities" of 'Nazism'?


I agree there should be no laws against denial in and of itself (though of course, one could sue for libel if told one were a liar, as in the Irving-Lipstadt case, but that was in the UK, where we have no laws against denial specifically). How do you view the Holocaust?

But Irving was never refuted for his view about the falsified gas chambers, no order being given to exterminate Jews, etc. How can't you see that she is a Jew who had more money on her side...?


No. But it has been demonstrated that whether or not such a direct order existed, Hitler was aware of the Holocaust, and happy with its results. Isn't that enough? It is known Eichmann was the 'architect of the final solution;' Hitler didn't bother himself with the busywork.

What do you define as the Holocaust? It's a modern word invented by the Jews for money.

Of course it matters whether or not an order exists or not. It shows Hitler did not have a plan to exterminate Jews.

Eichmann was a Zionist liar.


The Slavic race. I just showed you evidence. 90% of Soviet POWs were killed. A handful of Anglo POWs were killed.

Can you show me some evidence they used the term "Slavic race" and called it inferior? It's funny considering Slavs were used as examples of Aryans on several occasions, as I've already shown you.

That is because the Germans went further into the east and captured a lot of Soviets compared to Anglo POW's. This does not prove they were treated worse because he/she was a Slav.


If someone invaded my country and told me I could still be a lawyer, but weren't allowed in first-class carriages or in the city's nicest parks, like I was some kind of dog, I'd know how they felt. If I didn't know some very decent and smart Poles, I'd think Poles liked being subjugated.

And I've told you, it works both ways... a lot of Germans were badly treat during the interwar period by some Poles too. Not all Germans were against Poles during WWII.


Who's engaging in personal attacks now? I've already explained the difference between de jure and de facto and the treatment of Poles actually fell into both categories. Could you give me a number of Polish citizens who were citizens of the Reich, please?

No you did not. I showed you two examples of ethnic Poles being used as examples of racially related blood to the Germans and open to citizenship.

Jews, Gypsies, Negroes and their bastard offspring (mixed-race) were NOT eligible for citizenship, read the Nuremberg Laws and you will see it did not effect any Slavs.

Show me example as you claim they were second-class citizens (despite even National Socialist documents refuting you).

I'm not entirely sure myself, I've never looked into it but I have read several books pointing out that a lot of Poles did live in Germany (especially back then East Germany) who had been used for labour years before hand, not to mention the border changes over the years.


Like Petain, you bend over backwards to suck the cock of the army that invaded your country.

Why be so vulgar? This is a forum for open discussion not a call to be so rude.


Then humour me, and give me a second example beyond the oh-so-indisputable car.

Animal conservation, anti-tobacco movement, etc. You can research this all yourself. But you see at first you claimed nothing was original yet I proved you wrong on this too.


You're just a fanboy who can't stand that his hero would have hated his guts.

Would he have? Funny considering he wanted Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union. Hitler did not hate Poles, next you will be saying he hated the British too. I suggest you do some more reading.


Pardon me, but I'll take my grandfather's word over your babbling.

What does your grandfather tell you?


These Poles have gotten the chance for a life in Germany because they were seen as Germanic people by blood who actually should have never been Poles. They were brought into the Reich as Germans, not as Poles.

No you clown, these were discussing ethnic Poles and not Germanized Poles which was what was discussed after the invasion of Poland as to who could or could not sign the Deutsche Volksliste.

"Aryan is thus the one man who looked free from, the German people, strange racial impact is blood. Deemed to be a stranger here, especially the blood of the living room and in the European settlement of Jews and Gypsies, the Asian and African breeds, and the aborigines of Australia and America (Indians), while, for example, a Swede or an Englishman, a Frenchman or Czech, a Pole or Italian, if he is free of such, even that is foreign blood strikes, when used, must therefore be considered severally liable, he may now live in his home, in East Asia or in America or he likes a U.S. citizen or a South American Free State be."

"A member of any minority group demonstrates his ability to serve the German Reich when, without surrendering membership in his own specific Volk group, he loyally carries out his civil duties to the Reich, such as service in the armed forces, etc. Reich citizenship is, therefore, open to racially related groups living in Germany, such as Poles, Danes, and others. It is an altogether different matter with German nationals of alien blood and race. They do not fulfill the blood prerequisites for Reich citizenship. The Jews, who constitute an alien body among all European peoples, are especially characterized by racial foreignness. Jews, therefore, cannot be seen as being fit for service to the German Volk and Reich. Hence, they must necessarily remain excluded from Reich citizenship."

There is nothing hard to understand this is talking about ETHNIC POLES not Germanized Poles, that was the Deutsche Volksliste.

[Longbowman]

The Holocaust is nothing shy of a hoax, the whole legend as it goes has obvious loopholes in it, how can't you see this?

You're right. It does. You have enlightened me.


So, what are the "realities" of 'Nazism'?

In this case I'm referring to Germanocentricism.


But Irving was never refuted for his view about the falsified gas chambers, no order being given to exterminate Jews, etc. How can't you see that she is a Jew who had more money on her side...?

Yes he was.


What do you define as the Holocaust? It's a modern word invented by the Jews for money.

Well yeah, it is modern, because it only happened 70 years ago. The Holocaust is the deliberate attempt to eliminate Jews, Gypsies, and to a lesser extent Slavs in the aftermath of the conquest of part of Europe. I separate the treatment of the disabled (Aktion T4) from it.


Of course it matters whether or not an order exists or not. It shows Hitler did not have a plan to exterminate Jews.

Or, it was burnt? Lost? Thrown away? Given orally? The Wannassee Conference minutes certainly exist. Did they do it behind Hitler's back? Oh, right, they're probably forged or something. See, it doesn't even matter whether or not a piece of paper can be found.


Eichmann was a Zionist liar.


Worst Zionist ever.


Can you show me some evidence they used the term "Slavic race" and called it inferior? It's funny considering Slavs were used as examples of Aryans on several occasions, as I've already shown you.

You were subhuman parasites to them with whom they wouldn't even share train carriages.


That is because the Germans went further into the east and captured a lot of Soviets compared to Anglo POW's. This does not prove they were treated worse because he/she was a Slav.

It's a percentanges game, you idiot. Over 90% of Soviet POWs were killed. Very low numbers of Western POWs even including Jewish officers were killed.


And I've told you, it works both ways... a lot of Germans were badly treat during the interwar period by some Poles too. Not all Germans were against Poles during WWII.


Oh sure, I don't think all Germans hated Poles, or Jews, or whatever, but this is irrelevant to the Nazi policy.


Why be so vulgar? This is a forum for open discussion not a call to be so rude.


Holocaust denial is an ignorant philosophy that involves calling members of my immediate family liars to preserve your ridiculous political views. I don't have respect for you. But you don't have it for me, either, so don't act all offended because I wrote the word 'cock.'


Animal conservation, anti-tobacco movement, etc. You can research this all yourself. But you see at first you claimed nothing was original yet I proved you wrong on this too.


These aren't even original policies! James I of England was anti-tobacco and conservationism is old as the hills.


Would he have? Funny considering he wanted Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union. Hitler did not hate Poles, next you will be saying he hated the British too. I suggest you do some more reading.

He invaded Poland with the USSR! How are you this stupid?


What does your grandfather tell you?

He grew up in Vienna and was 18 in 1938. I actually possess his old passport with a 'J' for 'Jude' stamped on it. On one occasion in 1939 he was caught up in a dragnet and made to clean to streets with a toothbrush along with some other Jews. As it happened, the overseer was a man he knew from his neighbourhood who ordered him out to fetch more water, and when he was out of the view of the mob, told him to run away. I don't know what happened to the other Jews but they were taken away someplace. My grandfather and most of his immediate family escaped by 1940 by means of fleeing to Switzerland and ultimately America, but other members were not as lucky. A great-aunt (by marriage) survived a mass shooting aged nine when her father and she and some hundreds of other people (though a nine year old's memory cannot be trusted as for numbers, so let's just say 'many') were lined up against a grave they'd been forced to dig and machinegunned in (this was early in the war, before policy shifted away from using machineguns to effect massacres) though her father pushed her in before the bullets hit her. He was killed, she hid until night time and ran out. There are plenty of other stories of course; a great-great uncle was a Polish army officer who witnessed what happened in the Warsaw Ghetto and fought with his brother in the Warsaw Uprising; other British relatives liberated camps, and so on.

[Chichic]

No you clown, these were discussing ethnic Poles and not Germanized Poles which was what was discussed after the invasion of Poland as to who could or could not sign the Deutsche Volksliste.

Such Poles would have been Germanized but the number of potential Poles was rather low.

Hitler considered Poles as pretty much inferior and the Polish culture as not of importance, that's the reason for the planned destruction of Warsaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pabst_Plan) and Poland.

[SSlava]

According to census of Jews in Russia less.
But actually it not so.
For some reason many Jews like to disappear. Also disappear under the Russian names.
Though even if such at all will declare that they are Jews, their finger nobody will touch))
Well often told that there lived with neighbors many years, and didn't know that they are Jews.

[Polski]

You're right. It does. You have enlightened me.

Then research further into it from two sides of the coin (as the phrase goes) and stop accepting the conditioned version forced into society by the media.


In this case I'm referring to Germanocentricism.

I don't think I've ever denied that National Socialism at least in the broadest sense the NSDAP was for Germans primarily but the actual ideology predates the NSDAP and can be applied to any country or ethnic group.


Yes he was.

How was he? I've yet to still see an extermination order given by Hitler.


Well yeah, it is modern, because it only happened 70 years ago. The Holocaust is the deliberate attempt to eliminate Jews, Gypsies, and to a lesser extent Slavs in the aftermath of the conquest of part of Europe. I separate the treatment of the disabled (Aktion T4) from it.

When I mean modern is that you won't find it anywhere before 1945, I'm pretty sure it was a couple of decades after the war that the name was used.

And this is another problem... there is no set definition on it.


Or, it was burnt? Lost? Thrown away? Given orally? The Wannassee Conference minutes certainly exist. Did they do it behind Hitler's back? Oh, right, they're probably forged or something. See, it doesn't even matter whether or not a piece of paper can be found.

Anybody can say it was "burnt, lost or thrown away" but the fact is that is just a theory that does not hold consider you have no proof or evidence to suggest this. No, there were prophecy speeches given by him which he stated openly what would happen if the Jews caused a world war but no such extermination policy existed. Hitler was not present at that conference and they spoke about the forced deportation and expulsion of Jews from Europe.

It does matter because he was the Führer, it shows he did not want to exterminate Jews. Are you aware of how many Jews and Mischlinge actually served for him?


Worst Zionist ever.

I don't really care about him in all honesty.


You were subhuman parasites to them with whom they wouldn't even share train carriages.

Not all members of the NSDAP and not all Germans viewed Poles as subhumans or bad people, certainly propaganda carried a negative view of Poles but this was nothing more than war time propaganda, I mean are you aware after the invasion the ethnic Poles were separated from Polish Jews?

I've never denied that the National Socialists separated the ethnic Germans and ethnic Poles socially. Nur für Deutsche just shows that they wanted things reserved for Germans only. Poles were still Aryan and sexual relations was only forbid between Germans and Polish labour workers (sexual relations between Germans and all labourers was forbidden after the war began) not all ethnic Poles.

Hitler never called Poles "subhumans". I'm aware that Himmler did "subhuman people of the east" (secret memo) and also a letter about sexual relations between a German and a Polish labour worker.


It's a percentanges game, you idiot. Over 90% of Soviet POWs were killed. Very low numbers of Western POWs even including Jewish officers were killed.

A percentage game doesn't prove anything. This just shows the total of victims not the reason they were killed.


Oh sure, I don't think all Germans hated Poles, or Jews, or whatever, but this is irrelevant to the Nazi policy.

But even official National Socialist policy was not anti-Polish, I mean for god sake Hitler even signed a non-aggression pact with Poland in 1934 and wanted alliance all the way up until 1939.


Holocaust denial is an ignorant philosophy that involves calling members of my immediate family liars to preserve your ridiculous political views. I don't have respect for you. But you don't have it for me, either, so don't act all offended because I wrote the word 'cock.'

How is Holocaust revisionism "philosophy", have you gone mad? :picard1: No, I don't call your family members "liars", what I do question is certain parts of the Holocaust, not ALL of it.


These aren't even original policies! James I of England was anti-tobacco and conservationism is old as the hills.

I never said they were original but the German government were the first to implement them into countries.


He invaded Poland with the USSR! How are you this stupid?

You're twisting things. Up until 1939 Hitler wanted Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union, he was hoping for Poland to be a 'satellite ally', I'm well aware he invaded Poland and so did the Soviet Union. So one wonders why the Allies only declared war on Germany and not also the Soviet Union? The invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941 is not what I was on about.


He grew up in Vienna and was 18 in 1938. I actually possess his old passport with a 'J' for 'Jude' stamped on it. On one occasion in 1939 he was caught up in a dragnet and made to clean to streets with a toothbrush along with some other Jews. As it happened, the overseer was a man he knew from his neighbourhood who ordered him out to fetch more water, and when he was out of the view of the mob, told him to run away. I don't know what happened to the other Jews but they were taken away someplace. My grandfather and most of his immediate family escaped by 1940 by means of fleeing to Switzerland and ultimately America, but other members were not as lucky. A great-aunt (by marriage) survived a mass shooting aged nine when her father and she and some hundreds of other people (though a nine year old's memory cannot be trusted as for numbers, so let's just say 'many') were lined up against a grave they'd been forced to dig and machinegunned in (this was early in the war, before policy shifted away from using machineguns to effect massacres) though her father pushed her in before the bullets hit her. He was killed, she hid until night time and ran out. There are plenty of other stories of course; a great-great uncle was a Polish army officer who witnessed what happened in the Warsaw Ghetto and fought with his brother in the Warsaw Uprising; other British relatives liberated camps, and so on.

So how does me questioning the overall figure for example mean I disbelieve this? :picard1:


Such Poles would have been Germanized but the number of potential Poles was rather low.

Hitler considered Poles as pretty much inferior and the Polish culture as not of importance, that's the reason for the planned destruction of Warsaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pabst_Plan) and Poland.

No. These paragraphs clearly show that FULLY ethnic Poles were given as much right to be citizens of the State as the Germans themselves. Look at some officers in the Wehrmacht they were clearly some ethnic Poles in Germany.

Hitler greatly respected the Polish leader Pilsudski and wanted alliance with Poland.

Hitler viewed the Poles as culturally inferior and believed Danzig was a German state and the Poles owed it to the Germans for the creation of it, yes.

The reason for the destruction of Warsaw the capital of Poland is quite obvious - it was war.

[Longbowman]

I don't think I've ever denied that National Socialism at least in the broadest sense the NSDAP was for Germans primarily but the actual ideology predates the NSDAP and can be applied to any country or ethnic group.

Yes, you could apply it to your group, but my problem is really with you being a Hitlerite rather than thinking his ideas were good ones.


How was he? I've yet to still see an extermination order given by Hitler.

Which doesn't mean such an order didn't exist. It is unlikely he was unaware of it.


When I mean modern is that you won't find it anywhere before 1945, I'm pretty sure it was a couple of decades after the war that the name was used.


Well, duh...


And this is another problem... there is no set definition on it.


I suppose. Let's use my definition though.


Anybody can say it was "burnt, lost or thrown away" but the fact is that is just a theory that does not hold consider you have no proof or evidence to suggest this. No, there were prophecy speeches given by him which he stated openly what would happen if the Jews caused a world war but no such extermination policy existed. Hitler was not present at that conference and they spoke about the forced deportation and expulsion of Jews from Europe.

He wasn't present, but he must have been aware of it. Ultimately the 'final solution' only came about in 1942.


It does matter because he was the Führer, it shows he did not want to exterminate Jews. Are you aware of how many Jews and Mischlinge actually served for him?


Never heard of a full Jew serving him. It doesn't matter though, just shows hypocrisy. It's like when racists make exceptions for people they know, like when he found out his chaffeur was 1/8 Jewish. If being Jewish hadn't been a problem, he wouldn't have had to make him an honourary Aryan.


I don't really care about him in all honesty.

Well, he definitely wasn't a zionist :swl


Not all members of the NSDAP and not all Germans viewed Poles as subhumans or bad people, certainly propaganda carried a negative view of Poles but this was nothing more than war time propaganda, I mean are you aware after the invasion the ethnic Poles were separated from Polish Jews?


Yep, Jews were lower down the ranks than Poles, who were lower down than Germans. Hey, some Germans even liked Jews (Goering refused to give up the ones who worked for him, for instance), doesn't mean the group as a whole was pro-Polish or pro-Jewish.


I've never denied that the National Socialists separated the ethnic Germans and ethnic Poles socially. Nur für Deutsche just shows that they wanted things reserved for Germans only. Poles were still Aryan and sexual relations was only forbid between Germans and Polish labour workers (sexual relations between Germans and all labourers was forbidden after the war began) not all ethnic Poles.

:laugh:


Hitler never called Poles "subhumans". I'm aware that Himmler did "subhuman people of the east" (secret memo) and also a letter about sexual relations between a German and a Polish labour worker.

OK, what if we compromised and said Hitler just wanted Poland clear of Poles, and suitable for German settlement, but Himmler hated your guts and so did many of the people actually in charge of Poland? So as you can keep your little crush :)


A percentage game doesn't prove anything. This just shows the total of victims not the reason they were killed.


Delusion. 95% vs 5% shows exactly what they felt about you.


But even official National Socialist policy was not anti-Polish, I mean for god sake Hitler even signed a non-aggression pact with Poland in 1934 and wanted alliance all the way up until 1939.

He signed a non-aggression pact with the Soviets too, how can you be this stupid...


How is Holocaust revisionism "philosophy", have you gone mad? :picard1: No, I don't call your family members "liars", what I do question is certain parts of the Holocaust, not ALL of it.

Pardon me then, which parts do you question?


I never said they were original but the German government were the first to implement them into countries.


They didn't actually ban tobacco, Hitler just discouraged it, same as James I.


You're twisting things. Up until 1939 Hitler wanted Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union, he was hoping for Poland to be a 'satellite ally', I'm well aware he invaded Poland and so did the Soviet Union. So one wonders why the Allies only declared war on Germany and not also the Soviet Union? The invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941 is not what I was on about.

Yeah, he used you like a pawn.


So how does me questioning the overall figure for example mean I disbelieve this? :picard1:


I don't care about the numbers (I mean, there is a list in Yad Vashem, I think 5 point something million names), as long as you accepted there was a deliberate and concerted attempt to eliminate the Jews, Gypsies and in some cases Slavs under Nazi policy.


No. These paragraphs clearly show that FULLY ethnic Poles were given as much right to be citizens of the State as the Germans themselves. Look at some officers in the Wehrmacht they were clearly some ethnic Poles in Germany.

Yeah, and as you pointed out Erhardt Milch was half-Jewish, but that didn't mean the rank-and-file Juden were in any way better off.

[Polski]

Yes, you could apply it to your group, but my problem is really with you being a Hitlerite rather than thinking his ideas were good ones.

It all comes down to opinion, there is no universal definition of "good" and "bad", I mean you surely must have studied some philosophy to know this. I do like his ideas and I think he was and is a very interesting figure.


Which doesn't mean such an order didn't exist. It is unlikely he was unaware of it.

Well until any order appears it is true to say that Hitler never gave an official order for the extermination of Jews.

He would not have been aware of everything, a lot of people kept stuff hidden from him and some people even ignored his orders.


Well, duh...

Which if you look further its more of a guilty trick than anything else, are you aware how much money the state of Israel gets a year... for what exactly?


I suppose. Let's use my definition though.

And why should I take your definition as the right one? This is what I am trying to get across to you - there is no set definition of the word.


He wasn't present, but he must have been aware of it. Ultimately the 'final solution' only came about in 1942.

I've found no evidence to suggest he was aware of it. And are you sure about that year... historians themselves cannot even come out with a universal agreement, some even claim before he was even in power it was about.


Never heard of a full Jew serving him. It doesn't matter though, just shows hypocrisy. It's like when racists make exceptions for people they know, like when he found out his chaffeur was 1/8 Jewish. If being Jewish hadn't been a problem, he wouldn't have had to make him an honourary Aryan.]

There were several full Jews in the army or granted as "Honorary Aryans", his chauffeur was not 1/8 Jewish his chauffeur was actually of Polish descent.


Well, he definitely wasn't a zionist :swl

Okay... whatever.


Yep, Jews were lower down the ranks than Poles, who were lower down than Germans. Hey, some Germans even liked Jews (Goering refused to give up the ones who worked for him, for instance), doesn't mean the group as a whole was pro-Polish or pro-Jewish.

According to the actual racial laws all Europeans were equally the same—so Poles and Germans were both equally "Aryan"—whilst the "non-Aryans" like Jews and Gypsies were not. That's what I am saying though... the whole anti-Polish sentiment was not overall accepted the same was anti-Jewish was, I mean Hitler himself was not at first against Poles and wanted to be on friendly relations with the Polish government.


:laugh:

What's funny? :confused:

It's true... the Rassenschande (racial defilement) law was extended to all foreigners bought into Germany as labourers. And you are right about the "Only for Germans" slogan, I'm well aware of it.


OK, what if we compromised and said Hitler just wanted Poland clear of Poles, and suitable for German settlement, but Himmler hated your guts and so did many of the people actually in charge of Poland? So as you can keep your little crush :)

Because we both know you're either trying to wind me up or just acting ignorant. Hitler never wanted to clear Poland of all Poles, it is true that there was to be large re-settlements of Poles and other Slavs to make room for Germans.

Indeed, Himmler said in the secret memo "Untermenschenvolk des Ostens" which translates to "subhuman people of the east", he hated Poles and other Slavs and on several occasions called different Slavic ethnic groups and Slavs as a whole untermenschen or subhumans, I've never denied this.

Hans Frank also was anti-Polish, again... I will not deny this, why would I?


Delusion. 95% vs 5% shows exactly what they felt about you.

No, look at the victim of British civilians... it does not prove a thing.


He signed a non-aggression pact with the Soviets too, how can you be this stupid...

Look at the different reasons behind this. Read Mein Kampf, you can see his view on the Soviet Union in it.


Pardon me then, which parts do you question?

The official order, the figures, the methods.


They didn't actually ban tobacco, Hitler just discouraged it, same as James I.

Yes they did ban it, read about it.


The Nazi anti-tobacco campaign included banning smoking in trams, buses and city trains, promoting health education, limiting cigarette rations in the Wehrmacht, organizing medical lectures for soldiers, and raising the tobacco tax.


Yeah, he used you like a pawn.

Read some books on it.


I don't care about the numbers (I mean, there is a list in Yad Vashem, I think 5 point something million names), as long as you accepted there was a deliberate and concerted attempt to eliminate the Jews, Gypsies and in some cases Slavs under Nazi policy.

Not 5 million at all, such nonsense...


Yeah, and as you pointed out Erhardt Milch was half-Jewish, but that didn't mean the rank-and-file Juden were in any way better off.

Not all Jews were targeted. Read further on the subject.

[Longbowman]

Yes, Hitler was interesting. Yes, Israel gets money. No, that's not relevant to WWII. No, Poles weren't equal to Germans in the eyes of the German administration. Yes, [over] five million Jews did die.

[Polski]

Yes, Hitler was interesting. Yes, Israel gets money. No, that's not relevant to WWII. No, Poles weren't equal to Germans in the eyes of the German administration. Yes, [over] five million Jews did die.

It is relevant to WWII.

Poles were equal to Germans in terms of the racial laws, I never denied some top National Socialists viewed Poles as racially inferior. But according to the Nuremberg Laws of 1935, Poles were just as 'Aryan' as the Germans were.

"Under the rubric "Aryan" Hitler included all the European peoples, apparently reserving the status "inferior" for non-European peoples of the world."

Did over five million die? Prove it.

And yet you fail to mention that many died from natural diseases such a typhus during the last phase of the war when all transport for food was cut off, not all victims were subject to shooting for example.

[Longbowman]

It is relevant to WWII.

Poles were equal to Germans in terms of the racial laws, I never denied some top National Socialists viewed Poles as racially inferior. But according to the Nuremberg Laws of 1935, Poles were just as 'Aryan' as the Germans were.

"Under the rubric "Aryan" Hitler included all the European peoples, apparently reserving the status "inferior" for non-European peoples of the world."

Did over five million die? Prove it.

And yet you fail to mention that many died from natural diseases such a typhus during the last phase of the war when all transport for food was cut off, not all victims were subject to shooting for example.

It is proved. It's proven in all non-discredited research on the subject and as I've said a list of victims existed, including yes, some that died from disease, but millions that were shot, starved or gassed.

And no, it's not relevant to WWII, in the sense their 'reparations' have no effect on the story of WWII.

[Chichic]

Then research further into it from two sides of the coin (as the phrase goes) and stop accepting the conditioned version forced into society by the media.



I don't think I've ever denied that National Socialism at least in the broadest sense the NSDAP was for Germans primarily but the actual ideology predates the NSDAP and can be applied to any country or ethnic group.



How was he? I've yet to still see an extermination order given by Hitler.



When I mean modern is that you won't find it anywhere before 1945, I'm pretty sure it was a couple of decades after the war that the name was used.

And this is another problem... there is no set definition on it.



Anybody can say it was "burnt, lost or thrown away" but the fact is that is just a theory that does not hold consider you have no proof or evidence to suggest this. No, there were prophecy speeches given by him which he stated openly what would happen if the Jews caused a world war but no such extermination policy existed. Hitler was not present at that conference and they spoke about the forced deportation and expulsion of Jews from Europe.

It does matter because he was the Führer, it shows he did not want to exterminate Jews. Are you aware of how many Jews and Mischlinge actually served for him?



I don't really care about him in all honesty.



Not all members of the NSDAP and not all Germans viewed Poles as subhumans or bad people, certainly propaganda carried a negative view of Poles but this was nothing more than war time propaganda, I mean are you aware after the invasion the ethnic Poles were separated from Polish Jews?

I've never denied that the National Socialists separated the ethnic Germans and ethnic Poles socially. Nur für Deutsche just shows that they wanted things reserved for Germans only. Poles were still Aryan and sexual relations was only forbid between Germans and Polish labour workers (sexual relations between Germans and all labourers was forbidden after the war began) not all ethnic Poles.

Hitler never called Poles "subhumans". I'm aware that Himmler did "subhuman people of the east" (secret memo) and also a letter about sexual relations between a German and a Polish labour worker.



A percentage game doesn't prove anything. This just shows the total of victims not the reason they were killed.



But even official National Socialist policy was not anti-Polish, I mean for god sake Hitler even signed a non-aggression pact with Poland in 1934 and wanted alliance all the way up until 1939.



How is Holocaust revisionism "philosophy", have you gone mad? :picard1: No, I don't call your family members "liars", what I do question is certain parts of the Holocaust, not ALL of it.



I never said they were original but the German government were the first to implement them into countries.



You're twisting things. Up until 1939 Hitler wanted Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union, he was hoping for Poland to be a 'satellite ally', I'm well aware he invaded Poland and so did the Soviet Union. So one wonders why the Allies only declared war on Germany and not also the Soviet Union? The invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941 is not what I was on about.



So how does me questioning the overall figure for example mean I disbelieve this? :picard1:



No. These paragraphs clearly show that FULLY ethnic Poles were given as much right to be citizens of the State as the Germans themselves. Look at some officers in the Wehrmacht they were clearly some ethnic Poles in Germany.

Hitler greatly respected the Polish leader Pilsudski and wanted alliance with Poland.

Hitler viewed the Poles as culturally inferior and believed Danzig was a German state and the Poles owed it to the Germans for the creation of it, yes.

The reason for the destruction of Warsaw the capital of Poland is quite obvious - it was war.

No, because he considered the Polish culture as not worthy of preservation.

Contact between Germans and Poles was forbidden and punished with concentration camp for Germans.

[Polski]

It is proved. It's proven in all non-discredited research on the subject and as I've said a list of victims existed, including yes, some that died from disease, but millions that were shot, starved or gassed.

And no, it's not relevant to WWII, in the sense their 'reparations' have no effect on the story of WWII.

Where is it proven? I've yet to see any five million people named.

Can you provide evidence anybody was gassed? There is far more evidence to suggest NOBODY was gassed.

It is relevant, why should Israel receive money?


No, because he considered the Polish culture as not worthy of preservation.

Contact between Germans and Poles was forbidden and punished with concentration camp for Germans.

After the invasion of Poland things started to get nasty, Polish culture was somewhat restricted but it did exist to an extent.

Not all contact between Germans and Poles was forbidden. Sexual relations between Germans and Poles was only punishable when the Pole was a labourer, ALL foreigners brought into Germany as labourers were forbidden from having sexual relations with Germans.

This forbidden contact was not a single policy against Poles, even other Germanic people were subject to it.

Himmler even said any unauthorised sexual intercourse would result in the death penalty.

[Polski]

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The "six million" figure is a gross exaggeration, it pre-dates even Hitler in power, this picture is from 1919 not 1945. There is no evidence that six million Jews died in the so-called Holocaust.

One asks themselves: if six million Jews died in the Holocaust, why did Auschwitz lower the memorial number on the plaque from 4 million to 1.5 million yet keep the overall figure of 6 million?

It makes no sense at all, there is a lot of evidence to show the six million figure is false... you can research this yourself.

[Longbowman]

No, you can research it yourself. People make mistakes. Ask yourself, why would they change it lower just because? Holocaust denialism is stupid and offensive. I'm not debating this with you, I've made my position clear and ridiculed that very point on plenty of other threads. I'm not here to argue with deluded pricks. Israel gets money (unfairly) because of the suffering of Jews, and of course people were gassed, the only evidence against it is the discredited Leuchter report made by someone with no formal training in the area, a self-declared 'self taught expert.' Alarm bells should be ringing.

[arcticwolf]

No, you can research it yourself. People make mistakes. Ask yourself, why would they change it lower just because? Holocaust denialism is stupid and offensive. I'm not debating this with you, I've made my position clear and ridiculed that very point on plenty of other threads. I'm not here to argue with deluded pricks. Israel gets money (unfairly) because of the suffering of Jews, and of course people were gassed, the only evidence against it is the discredited Leuchter report made by someone with no formal training in the area, a self-declared 'self taught expert.' Alarm bells should be ringing.

Why are you calling him Polish, he is as Polish as I am Greek! :laugh:

[Longbowman]

Why are you calling him Polish, he is as Polish as I am Greek! :laugh:

You know I love the Poles mate. My favourite one is the South Pole.

[RandoBloom]

It is true that Germany considered Slavs as Aryans but marriage between them and such Poles were completely forbidden. Personally, I think that the idea of ​​Nazism is now completely discredited. Her followers are assholes and ignorant people who have no idea about the history and what the Nazis did and planned to do so.

Where and when did Hitler call Slavs Aryans?

[Sandman]

Where and when did Hitler call Slavs Aryans?
Read the text carefully. I did not write about what Hitler said about the Slavs.

[RandoBloom]

Read the text carefully. I did not write about what Hitler said about the Slavs.

Hitler created national socialism which some slavs adhere. Which is funny, considering to him and nazi's you were untermensch. Kinda reminds me of uncle Ruckus

[MarkyMark]

As far as I know, the right wing in Ukraine wasn't so much about Nazism even though they identified as such, but more about creating a nation with one ethnic group.

See 2:04


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY&t=2m4s

[Borna]

Problem is that dumb people always associate making of a ethnic state, with only members of -X- nation of it is strictly reserved only for Germans and Hitler.

[TheForeigner]

I read on axishistory that nazis forbade their soldier to have sex with slav women and had brothels organized to service the german men with german prostitutes that were controled. Also to avoid vds.

[Raikaswinþs]

Can penelope cruz pass as a Russian Nazi?

[LightHouse89]

Can penelope cruz pass as a Russian Nazi?

sure :p

[Inna]

The ukrainian nazis are ultra nationalists and hate on russia and former soviet union I dont think they really idiolize Hitler himself

[LightHouse89]

The ukrainian nazis are ultra nationalists and hate on russia and former soviet union I dont think they really idiolize Hitler himself

possible some guy on stormfront from Ukraine said they were not Hitlerites, however only a minority of them held those opinions while the rest were more of ultranationalist Ukrainians with fascist tones. Fascism can be just about anything, and there are different forms of it which retarded human beings do not realize. If you compare Fascist Spain with Nazi Germany the two were very different in belief systems. Fascism is basically a more militant government which has restrictions and then they add to it or not. I suppose you could say Saddam and his Baathist part was somewhat Fascist [they were allies with Portugal and Spain when those were fascist countries in the 60s and 70s].

[Polski]

No, you can research it yourself.

I've read extensively regarding the Holocaust, there is so much evidence against the six million figure. I've already pointed this out to you but you seem to ignore it.


People make mistakes. Ask yourself, why would they change it lower just because?

This mistake has been kept up for decades now, its all you ever hear "six million this, six million that" but the facts show otherwise.

The reason was because revisionists in the early 1990's started to question the figure.


Holocaust denialism is stupid and offensive.

Why is researching anything considered 'stupid' just because it does not run parallel with your thinking? Anyone should be allowed to research anything without being fined and jailed.

Offensive to Jews... awww cry me a river. You know its offensive to National Socialists the lies that surround the Third Reich period. Hitler himself is one of the most lied about and misunderstood people of all time, in my opinion.


I'm not debating this with you, I've made my position clear and ridiculed that very point on plenty of other threads. I'm not here to argue with deluded pricks.

Of course you won't argue with me... you have no evidence for anything you say. You've refuted not a thing.

Wow you can ad hominen attack me, woohoo!


Israel gets money (unfairly) because of the suffering of Jews, and of course people were gassed, the only evidence against it is the discredited Leuchter report made by someone with no formal training in the area, a self-declared 'self taught expert.' Alarm bells should be ringing.

There is other evidence besides this report, try researching a bit harder. :picard1:

[Longbowman]

There is other evidence besides this report, try researching a bit harder. :picard1:

Provide me with another report or be quiet. Hitler would've blown your brains out and given your house to a German.

[Polski]

Where and when did Hitler call Slavs Aryans?

Under the rubric "Aryan" Hitler included all the European peoples. He spoke of the "European-Aryan peoples of Europe" in several of his speeches. His own Nuremberg Race Laws included the Slavs as Aryans. The ancestors passport (Ahnenpaß) used Czechs and Poles as examples of Aryans.

Hitler was certainly anti-Slavic to an extent but not as far as what say Himmler or Bormann were, however there is no evidence he did not view them as Aryan.

Hitler did call Slavs an inferior race in Mein Kampf and also did agree with Himmler's words "Untermenschenvolk des Osten" which translates to "subhuman people of the East" in Himmler's document of 1940 regarding the 'Reflections on the Treatment of Peoples of Alien Races in the East'. Racial principle was also subject to political principle, even when this was being said by Himmler the Croats, Romanians and Slovaks were still Allied to Germany. Also despite Himmler expressing this opinion to the 'foreign races of the East', the Poles and other Slavs in the occupied territories were placed in the 'Aryan' side of ghettos.

There was no universal opinion of Slavs in the Third Reich, it was very much opinionated. You had people like Himmler who labeled them as 'mixed-race' 'Mongol' 'Asiatic' 'subhumans' 'racially inferior' etc and yet Rosenberg who wanted to adopt a more friendly tone towards them.

There is a lot of secondary sources (mainly books) that say the National Socialists viewed Slavs as "non-Aryans" like Jews and other non-Europeans but this is not true. Primary sources totally prove otherwise and there is a few books out there who do admit this.

All one has to do is read up on the anthropologists works who influenced the Third Reich racial theories, they never spoke of a "Slavic race" in reality but it was sometimes used in propaganda. They could not differentiate racially between a German and a Czech, Pole, Russian, Slovak or any Slav.

One example of race theorists who influenced the Third Reich is race researcher Hans F. K. Günther, he said:

"People may be heard speaking of a 'Germanic,' a 'Latin,' and a 'Slav' race; but it is at once seen that in those lands where Germanic, Romance, or Slav tongues are spoken there is the same bewildering variety in the outward appearance of their peoples, and never any such uniformity as suggests a race—the 'Germans,' the 'Latins,' and the 'Slavs' -- form a linguistical, not a racial combination."

[Gustave H]

See these types of threads are usually made by non-Whites, or anti-Whites. The goal of these types of threads? Usually the goal is simply to destroy "Neo-Nazism". Adolf Hitler and most of the other original National Socialists were more pro-Germanic than they were anti-Slavic. I believe Hitler didn't care much for the Polish people, but he wasn't so vehemently against Russians, and Ukrainians, and other Slavs. One of my grandfathers and his brothers fought for Germany. They were volunteers in the Waffen SS and were treated very well. They were treated as if they were Germans, as brothers. I'm of Slavic, and Germanic heritage and I'm a proud National Socialist, and White Nationalist. Nothing that any of the antis say or do will change that. :) Here's a video for the antis..Enjoy: www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ_IdSlZCcU

One more thing: This is 2014. Times have changed and we've learned from our mistakes. All Whites must work together, hand in hand against our enemies in order to save our nations from the enemies of our race.

[Leto]

Nazi-supporters are stupid. I detest them. Nationalism and patriotism have nothing to do with Nazism, though radical forms of them are no good either.

[Kamal900]

See these types of threads are usually made by non-Whites, or anti-Whites. The goal of these types of threads? Usually the goal is simply to destroy "Neo-Nazism". Adolf Hitler and most of the other original National Socialists were more pro-Germanic than they were anti-Slavic. I believe Hitler didn't care much for the Polish people, but he wasn't so vehemently against Russians, and Ukrainians, and other Slavs. One of my grandfathers and his brothers fought for Germany. They were volunteers in the Waffen SS and were treated very well. They were treated as if they were Germans, as brothers. I'm of Slavic, and Germanic heritage and I'm a proud National Socialist, and White Nationalist. Nothing that any of the antis say or do will change that. :) Here's a video for the antis..Enjoy: www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ_IdSlZCcU

One more thing: This is 2014. Times have changed and we've learned from our mistakes. All Whites must work together, hand in hand against our enemies in order to save our nations from the enemies of our race.

Isnt it quite despicable that the thread is created by a Zionist jew? Divide and Conquer is jewry's best weapon in their arsenal against the hated goyim.

[Longbowman]

Isnt it quite despicable that the thread is created by a Zionist jew? Divide and Conquer is jewry's best weapon in their arsenal against the hated goyim.

It's not Gentiles in general, it's just you :shrug:

You know between 35 and 60% of diaspora Jews marry Gentiles?

[Gustave H]

Isnt it quite despicable that the thread is created by a Zionist jew? Divide and Conquer is jewry's best weapon in their arsenal against the hated goyim.

In all fairness, not all Jews are anti-White, and a lot of them don't give a shit about dividing and conquering. However, many of them do have the goal of dividing and conquering us, and hate us. I am not anti-Jew, I'm really not much of an anti at all. I simply am pro-White. I am against those who are anti-White regardless of their race, religion,etc. But, yes, I am not at all surprised that the OP is Jewish.

[Kamal900]

It's not Gentiles in general, it's just you :shrug:

You know between 35 and 60% of diaspora Jews marry Gentiles?

Oh dear, Assimilation is jewry's biggest enemy. Ovedia Yussef and the Likud Party wont going to be happy about this, esp that Israel has been pushing millions of shekels encouraging jews to migrate to Israel, and to prevent assimilation with the Goyyah:

http://davidduke.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/jweekly01.jpg

http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/71826/israels-new-jewish-identity-campaign-fuzzy-on-details/

According to the article, which actually complains that the “details are fuzzy,” the “identity campaign” as it is called, is a “historic development,” a “paradigm shift” and a “change in the relationship” between Israel and diaspora Jewry.

Apparently the scheme was conceived last year as a “partnership among the Israeli government, the Jewish Agency for Israel and major diaspora Jewish bodies.”

Its aim, the article says, is to “strengthen diaspora Jewish identity and connections between Israel and Jews worldwide.”

The Israeli government has already voted the first $50 million for the initiative to fund it through to 2017, and “intends to increase the sum to $100 million annually by 2022.”

In addition, the Israeli government wants what the Jewish Weekly calls “diaspora sources”—which it defines as [Jewish] “federations, philanthropic foundations and individual donors” to contribute double those sums for two-thirds of the initiative’s total budget.

“It’s a historic development that the Israeli government has decided to take more responsibility for strengthening the identity of Jewish communities,” said the Jewish Agency’s chairman, Natan Sharansky. “We’re talking about Jewish identity built on a connection to Israel.”

Sharansky said that while Orthodox Jews have ritual observance to keep them engaged in the Jewish community, Israel is the only proven anchor to ensure Jewish identity for non-Orthodox Jews.

“In the non-Orthodox world nothing stops assimilation except connection to Israel,” he said. “In Orthodox communities, awareness of Jewish identity is very high. They live through their faith and Jewish tradition. When you move to others, you find out that this deep feeling of your belonging to this Jewish story and your desire to stay inside of it is becoming thinner and thinner.”

In other words, the purpose of this initiative, according to the head of the Jewish Agency, is to prevent non-orthodox Jews from mixing with non-Jews.

"American Jewish Organizations Must Support Government Funding For Jewish Schools"

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/09/09/american-jewish-organizations-must-support-government-funding-for-jewish-schools/

Torossian said that the U.S. Government should emulate Australia, Britain and Canada, who all use taxpayers’ money to subsidize Jewish Schools. The reason for this, he said, was that a higher attendance by young Jews at Jews-only schools had been proven to help prevent marriage to non-Jews.

“Undoubtedly, if implemented, the support would make a tremendous impact on Jewish continuity efforts,” he wrote,

“American Jews intermarry at a rate of nearly 50%, assimilation is at an all-time high – and it appears that education is the primary path to ensure Jewish continuity.

“According to sociologist Steven Cohen, Jewish school attendance increases a Jewish child’s likelihood of marrying another Jew by 14 percentage points. Naturally it also impacts other arenas of an individual’s Jewish identity.

“What issue today poses a larger threat to the American Jewish community than the sweeping tide of assimilation?

“In years past, certain Jewish organizations argued about the importance of a separation of church and state.

“Clearly, this concern pales in comparison to the fact that American Jewry is voluntarily withering away,” Torossian wrote.

“Government aid for Jewish schools is a cause which anyone concerned about the future of American Jewry must universally advocate for,” he added.

Imagine for a minute, any Gentile businessman in New York calling for state subsidies to European-only schools “to prevent assimilation” with Jews or non-Europeans. That person would be run out of town, but because of the Zionist-Supremacist control of the media, business world and the government, such comments by Jewish Supremacists are either ignored or actually even encouraged.

[Longbowman]

Oh dear, Assimilation is jewry's biggest enemy. Ovedia Yussef and the Likud Party wont going to be happy about this, esp that Israel has been pushing millions of shekels encouraging jews to migrate to Israel, and to prevent assimilation with the Goyyah:

Yes, some Jews exist that are the equivalent of David Duke or Nick Griffin, I am aware. Regardless, associating 'Jews' with the twelve people who actually care about this horseshit is like associating all whites with George Lincoln Rockwell (I know, you'd love it to be true, but it's a numerical analogy). 1/3 to 2/3 marry out. Ya gotta ask yourself, how many of the rest, of that small minority, are actually opposed to the notion, if intermarriage rates are so high?

In Manhattan, I saw a building that was both a Church and a Synagogue. Jews don't hate Gentiles, mate.

[Polski]

Provide me with another report or be quiet. Hitler would've blown your brains out and given your house to a German.

You see the question I ask myself when reading this is "what is the point when this person is clearly not going to accept anything contrary to his current belief?"

I've provided you enough evidence. The figure '6 million Jews' appeared DOZENS of times before Hitler or the NSDAP even were in power and the figures post-1945 have altered so much. With regards to reports on the alleged gassing then try Germar Rudolf works "Report on the formation and verifiability of cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas chambers" and there is others.

Let me ask you this... if the Holocaust is such a 'fact' why has so many of it been refuted (e.g lampshades and soap made from Jews) and why is it a criminal offense to revision history? One surely should be able to have free speech and freedom to be able to research the Holocaust. Yet, anything that goes against the media's mainstream version of it makes one automatically a "Holocaust denier".

I'm not born yesterday, I told you, I have studied the Holocaust for a good few years now and I'm not denying that 'crimes' (defined by the Nuremberg Trials) happened but there still remains many urban legends and myths surrounding it.

May I ask, what scholars and works do you rely on as evidence for your view that six million Jews died?

The fact you still continue to pursue in the personal attacks is humorous to say the least.


See these types of threads are usually made by non-Whites, or anti-Whites. The goal of these types of threads? Usually the goal is simply to destroy "Neo-Nazism". Adolf Hitler and most of the other original National Socialists were more pro-Germanic than they were anti-Slavic. I believe Hitler didn't care much for the Polish people, but he wasn't so vehemently against Russians, and Ukrainians, and other Slavs. One of my grandfathers and his brothers fought for Germany. They were volunteers in the Waffen SS and were treated very well. They were treated as if they were Germans, as brothers. I'm of Slavic, and Germanic heritage and I'm a proud National Socialist, and White Nationalist. Nothing that any of the antis say or do will change that. :) Here's a video for the antis..Enjoy: www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ_IdSlZCcU

One more thing: This is 2014. Times have changed and we've learned from our mistakes. All Whites must work together, hand in hand against our enemies in order to save our nations from the enemies of our race.

Adolf Hitler was a German nationalist, he was anti-Slavic. This was very common for a German nationalist of his time, anti-Slavism is traditional in German nationalism, most of the pan-German circles in Austria and Germany spoke of hatred for the Slavs.

In regards to Hitler and Poles, well Hitler in Mein Kampf criticizes the earlier German nationalists Germanization of Poles and viewed that only soil not people could be Germanized and Germanizing the Poles brought a 'foreign race' into the German nation and weakened the racial purity of the German Volk. Hitler repeated this notion with Czechs and Poles in his unpublished second book. However, Hitler did indeed see Poland as an Ally against their common enemy the Soviet Union communism. Hitler's opinions on the Poles changed dramatically in 1939 when he knew they were not going to listen to any of his territory demands, plus Hitler did indeed want living space in Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe.

Oh Hitler was indeed against the Russians... in Mein Kampf he said "For the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacity of the German element in an inferior race."

The Slavic and other non-Germanic Waffen-SS volunteers (or conscripts) weren't treat that well; they were restricted on titles of the divisions, uniform, etc. They were not treat as brothers like Germans... most of the National Socialists didn't even want all these foreigners serving in the Waffen-SS but shortage of Germans made them become less hostile and accept them.

Even when these volunteers were fighting for the Germans, Himmler still said this:

"With the exception of a few phenomena produced by Asia every couple of centuries, through that mixture of two heredities which may be fortunate for Asia but is unfortunate for us Europeans — with the exception, therefore, of an Attilla, a Ghenghis Khan, a Tamerlaine, a Lenin, a Stalin — the mixed race of the Slavs is based on a sub-race with a few drops of blood of our blood, blood of a leading race; the Slav is unable to control himself and create order.

In our ranks, we live according to our Germanic laws, one of which, a really beautiful one, says, "Honour is compulsion enough." With foreign peoples, we must apply Asiatic laws. We must never lose sight of that. If we have one of our blood before us, a Norwegian or Dutchman of good racial stock, then we can only win his heart over to us according to our, that means his and our, totally Germanic laws. With a Russian or Slav, from a racial point of view, we should never even try to apply our holy laws to them, but rather the tried and tested laws of the Russian commissar.

I wouldn't have had any objections, if we had hired Mr. Vlasov and every other Slavic subject wearing a Russian general's uniform, to make propaganda against the Russians. I wouldn't have any objections at all. Wonderful.

We want to show the English, the Americans, and the Russian sub-humans that we are tougher; that we, precisely we, the SS, will be those who stand forever.

For the SS Man, one principle must apply absolutely: we must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own blood, and to no one else. What happens to the Russians, the Czechs, is totally indifferent to me. Whatever is available to us in good blood of our type, we will take for ourselves, that is, we will steal their children and bring them up with us, if necessary. Whether other races live well or die of hunger is only of interest to me insofar as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise that doesn't interest me. Whether 10,000 Russian women fall down from exhaustion in building a tank ditch is of interest to me only insofar as the tank ditches are finished for Germany."

You cannot be a National Socialist and a white nationalist, they are two very different ideologies that do not go hand in hand with one another.


Nazi-supporters are stupid. I detest them. Nationalism and patriotism have nothing to do with Nazism, though radical forms of them are no good either.

Why are people who support an ideology automatically labeled "stupid" according to you?

There is plenty of intellectual National Socialists, these drunken thug skinheads who go around abusing and beating up non-whites are not true National Socialists and don't have a clue about it.

[Longbowman]

Yes, everyone who disagrees with you and follows mainstream thinking on this issue is 'humorous.' You still haven't actually, you know, provided any links or anything.

[Leto]

Why are people who support an ideology automatically labeled "stupid" according to you?

There is plenty of intellectual National Socialists, these drunken thug skinheads who go around abusing and beating up non-whites are not true National Socialists and don't have a clue about it.
I detest the ideology which caused huge damage to many countries, including Germany. My country lost 27 million people in WWII.

[Crn Volk]

I detest the ideology which caused huge damage to many countries, including Germany. My country lost 27 million people in WWII.

What about Communism? How do you feel about that?

[Leto]

What about Communism? How do you feel about that?
Of course, I dislike it. There were some positive moments in the Soviet period, but on the whole it was definitely dark times, especially 1917-1953.

[RandoBloom]

Under the rubric "Aryan" Hitler included all the European peoples. He spoke of the "European-Aryan peoples of Europe" in several of his speeches. His own Nuremberg Race Laws included the Slavs as Aryans. The ancestors passport (Ahnenpaß) used Czechs and Poles as examples of Aryans.

Hitler was certainly anti-Slavic to an extent but not as far as what say Himmler or Bormann were, however there is no evidence he did not view them as Aryan.

Hitler did call Slavs an inferior race in Mein Kampf and also did agree with Himmler's words "Untermenschenvolk des Osten" which translates to "subhuman people of the East" in Himmler's document of 1940 regarding the 'Reflections on the Treatment of Peoples of Alien Races in the East'. Racial principle was also subject to political principle, even when this was being said by Himmler the Croats, Romanians and Slovaks were still Allied to Germany. Also despite Himmler expressing this opinion to the 'foreign races of the East', the Poles and other Slavs in the occupied territories were placed in the 'Aryan' side of ghettos.

There was no universal opinion of Slavs in the Third Reich, it was very much opinionated. You had people like Himmler who labeled them as 'mixed-race' 'Mongol' 'Asiatic' 'subhumans' 'racially inferior' etc and yet Rosenberg who wanted to adopt a more friendly tone towards them.

There is a lot of secondary sources (mainly books) that say the National Socialists viewed Slavs as "non-Aryans" like Jews and other non-Europeans but this is not true. Primary sources totally prove otherwise and there is a few books out there who do admit this.

All one has to do is read up on the anthropologists works who influenced the Third Reich racial theories, they never spoke of a "Slavic race" in reality but it was sometimes used in propaganda. They could not differentiate racially between a German and a Czech, Pole, Russian, Slovak or any Slav.

One example of race theorists who influenced the Third Reich is race researcher Hans F. K. Günther, he said:

"People may be heard speaking of a 'Germanic,' a 'Latin,' and a 'Slav' race; but it is at once seen that in those lands where Germanic, Romance, or Slav tongues are spoken there is the same bewildering variety in the outward appearance of their peoples, and never any such uniformity as suggests a race—the 'Germans,' the 'Latins,' and the 'Slavs' -- form a linguistical, not a racial combination."

That says it all. Nowhere does Hitler call Slavs as aryans and everywhere he calls them unter.
As such case closed.

[TheForeigner]

Yes, some Jews exist that are the equivalent of David Duke or Nick Griffin, I am aware. Regardless, associating 'Jews' with the twelve people who actually care about this horseshit is like associating all whites with George Lincoln Rockwell (I know, you'd love it to be true, but it's a numerical analogy). 1/3 to 2/3 marry out. Ya gotta ask yourself, how many of the rest, of that small minority, are actually opposed to the notion, if intermarriage rates are so high?

In Manhattan, I saw a building that was both a Church and a Synagogue. Jews don't hate Gentiles, mate.

What is wrong with Nick Griffin and the BNP? They are the only true patriotic British political organization.

[TheForeigner]

Yes, everyone who disagrees with you and follows mainstream thinking on this issue is 'humorous.' You still haven't actually, you know, provided any links or anything.

Why do you think many countries punish ''Holocaust denial'' and criminalize it? What do you think of this and other hate speech laws. I think the Holocaust did happen and that only some details may be challenged or might not be the way it is sometimes said. It seems that they did change the number of total Holocaust victims a couple of times and there were no ''lampshades made of skin and soap made from Jews'' for example.

[Longbowman]

What is wrong with Nick Griffin and the BNP? They are the only true patriotic British political organization.

Even if I were prepared to accept that ethnic nationalism is the only method of being patriotic, which is a poor lie ethnic nationalists tell themselves, Griffin is still an idiot.

[Longbowman]

Why do you think many countries punish ''Holocaust denial'' and criminalize it? What do you think of this and other hate speech laws. I think the Holocaust did happen and that only some details may be challenged or might not be the way it is sometimes said. It seems that they did change the number of total Holocaust victims a couple of times and there were no ''lampshades made of skin and soap made from Jews'' for example.

It's not criminalised here. I don't care what other countries do. And history is revised all the time, the fact that one rumour, idea or even date was untrue or inaccurate doesn't mean all history is untrue, Christ. You people really are very poor thinkers when it comes to this. The historical record is often altered when new information is unearthed.

[TheForeigner]

Even if I were prepared to accept that ethnic nationalism is the only method of being patriotic, which is a poor lie ethnic nationalists tell themselves, Griffin is still an idiot.

''Civic nationalism'' or ''civic patriotism'' are pointless and abstract garbage. A country is worth loving for the people and not for theoretical principles and theories or even it's institutions.

[Longbowman]

''Civic nationalism'' or ''civic patriotism'' are pointless and abstract garbage. A country is worth loving for the people and not for theoretical principles and theories or even it's institutions.

This is literally just an opinion. There's no argumentation behind it. Nearly all of the world's countries have well-integrated ethnic minorities and some are by definition multi-ethnic. Whether you like it or not people can be patriotic towards a country even thought they're not part of the dominant ethnicity.

[TheForeigner]

This is literally just an opinion. There's no argumentation behind it. Nearly all of the world's countries have well-integrated ethnic minorities and some are by definition multi-ethnic. Whether you like it or not people can be patriotic towards a country even thought they're not part of the dominant ethnicity.

Ok, maybe you are right, but what's wrong with ethnic nationalism and with the BNP? Is crazy Arthur Kemp still a member?

[Longbowman]

Ok, maybe you are right, but what's wrong with ethnic nationalism and with the BNP? Is crazy Arthur Kemp still a member?

I don't know about Kemp, but the BNP are a bankrupt failure that lost 85% of their vote to UKIP.

Ethnic nationalism never works out well. Look at Nazism and Zionism. States should be meritocratic.

[TheForeigner]

It's not criminalised here. I don't care what other countries do. And history is revised all the time, the fact that one rumour, idea or even date was untrue or inaccurate doesn't mean all history is untrue, Christ. You people really are very poor thinkers when it comes to this. The historical record is often altered when new information is unearthed.
You people? Who do you mean? You should care about other countries, since you are living in one now.

[TheForeigner]

I don't know about Kemp, but the BNP are a bankrupt failure that lost 85% of their vote to UKIP.

Ethnic nationalism never works out well. Look at Nazism and Zionism. States should be meritocratic.

Zionism? You don't support Israel or even it's right to exist? Personally I don't care, but you are half Jewish and with a Jewish parent and relatives. Nazism is a very extreme and unrepresentative example of ethnic nationalism. You must either very liberal(european sense) or very leftist.

[Longbowman]

Zionism? You don't support Israel or even it's right to exist? Personally I don't care, but you are half Jewish and with a Jewish parent and relatives. Nazism is a very extreme and unrepresentative example of ethnic nationalism. You must either very liberal(european sense) or very leftist.

It's happened now. I wouldn't have supported it at the beginning, I think ethnic Zionism should give way to a regular secular state. I don't think Israel should be disestablished of course.

You people, as in, denialists. I don't rate denialism as objective critical thinking. Never met a denialist who liked Jews or Gypsies or didn't like the Third Reich. Does correlation imply causality?

[TheForeigner]

It's happened now. I wouldn't have supported it at the beginning, I think ethnic Zionism should give way to a regular secular state. I don't think Israel should be disestablished of course.

You people, as in, denialists. I don't rate denialism as objective critical thinking. Never met a denialist who liked Jews or Gypsies or didn't like the Third Reich. Does correlation imply causality?

I don't deny the historical reality of the Holocaust. Not many people do. Not even David Irving does anymore. I'm not a fan of Jews and less even of Gypsies, but I don't like Nazi Germany or their ideology and deeds either.

[Kamal900]

Why do you think many countries punish ''Holocaust denial'' and criminalize it? What do you think of this and other hate speech laws. I think the Holocaust did happen and that only some details may be challenged or might not be the way it is sometimes said. It seems that they did change the number of total Holocaust victims a couple of times and there were no ''lampshades made of skin and soap made from Jews'' for example.

Truth does not fear investigation, only lies and falsehoods. If they are so "confident" that the holo-cash happened, then why did they pass laws and policies forbidding ANYONE even questioning the official narrative of WW2? Free Speech? Freedom of thought and academia?

[Polski]

Yes, everyone who disagrees with you and follows mainstream thinking on this issue is 'humorous.' You still haven't actually, you know, provided any links or anything.

No, you are humorous because you don't actual step back and think for yourself but repeat propaganda you have been told on the history channel or by your teacher.

Please enlighten me and tell me some scholars works you have read about Hitler himself and the Third Reich.


I detest the ideology which caused huge damage to many countries, including Germany. My country lost 27 million people in WWII.

German National Socialism undoubtedly was anti-Russian (there were very few National Socialists who were not anti-Russian or anti-Slav for that matter) but the reasoning was merely political and of course living space in Russia was one of Hitler's biggest desires. But Russians were indeed classified as "Aryans" and there were some Russian National Socialists since the actual ideology itself is not against Russians or any European peoples for that matter since they are Aryans and Hitler himself even said "The German people has never harbored hostile feelings against the peoples of Russia."

The hatred towards Russia and Russians was political since the National Socialists wanted Lebensraum in Russia and the rest of Eastern Europe to repopulate the area with Germanics and to exploit it to its max capacity.

Btw, if you look at how the war turned out then you'll see Stalin and his cronies are not as innocent as people like to make out and there is some historians who hold the view that it was the Soviet Union who was going to attack Germany first and Hitler's invasion was a self-defense attack.


That says it all. Nowhere does Hitler call Slavs as aryans and everywhere he calls them unter.
As such case closed.

Stop cherry picking. A few statements of their racial inferiority and agreeing with them being sub-humans does not equate to "non-Aryan" status.

I've already shown you examples of where by primary sources by the National Socialists themselves Czechs, Poles and other Slavs were used as examples of Aryans. Himmler even said Russians were Aryan (German: "in diesem gepeinigten arischen Volk") when recruiting for the "The SS as an Anti-Bolshevik Fighting Organization" in 1936.

The term subhumans (Untermenschen) when used towards Poles, Russians or Slavs was an opinion and not an overall universal view like it was to Jews.

Question: Is it true that the Germans referred to the Russians as "subhumans"?

Answer: Nonsense! The Russians are human beings just like everyone else.

Your question, whether we called the Russians "subhumans," is nonsense. We had a first-class relationship with the Russian people. The only exception, which was a problem we dealt with, was with the Soviet Commissars, who were all Jews. These people stood behind the lines with machine guns, pushing the Russian soldiers into battle. And anyway, we made quick work of them. That was according to order. This was during a war for basic existence, an ideological war, when such a policy is simply taken for granted.

There was sometimes talk about the so-called Asian hordes, and ordinary soldiers sometimes spoke about subhumans, but such language was never officially used.
”
—Stephanie Schoeman's interview with General Otto Ernst Remer, 1990

Hitler spoke of the "European-Aryan peoples" this includes Slavs since they are also Europeans and his own racial laws used Poles and Danes as 'racial minority groups' who are 'related blood' to the Germans and thus open to Reich Citizenship. As you fine well know, Poles are Slavs.

Also, the National Socialists stressed hard on the Nordic race superiority and were quite well aware of how common East-Nordic was in Eastern Europe. East-Nordic is one of the most common phenotypes in Northern Slavs (Czechs, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, etc).

The thoughts of "racial inferiority" from a racial point of view could never be used, it was because racial thoughts was subject to political principle.


Ethnic nationalism never works out well. Look at Nazism and Zionism. States should be meritocratic.

You would say that about National Socialism (what you refer to as 'Nazism') since you're ignorant about it.

[Longbowman]

No, you are humorous because you don't actual step back and think for yourself but repeat propaganda you have been told on the history channel or by your teacher.

Please enlighten me and tell me some scholars works you have read about Hitler himself and the Third Reich.

Don't confuse 'having a minority opinion' with being a freethinker and the reverse. You churn out idiocy and you don't even have the courtesy to back it up.


You would say that about National Socialism (what you refer to as 'Nazism') since you're ignorant about it.

It failed kind of heavily. You don't need to be smart to know that.

[Longbowman]

Truth does not fear investigation, only lies and falsehoods. If they are so "confident" that the holo-cash happened, then why did they pass laws and policies forbidding ANYONE even questioning the official narrative of WW2? Free Speech? Freedom of thought and academia?

Why didn't they do it in any countries that actually matter? Also, the Germans did it. Not the Jews. I'm not sure if Holocaust denial is illegal in Israel but I haven't heard of any cases. Many countries don't quite have total freedom of speech. Inciting racial hatred, insulting the monarchy in certain countries, etc. Whilst I agree that thoughtcrime shouldn't be persecuted, you're free to deny the holocaust in most countries that aren't France or Germany and whilst I'm sure French and German people are all the worse for it, the Anglosphere remains unaffected and that is what I concern myself with. Incidentally, political dissidents are jailed in Thailand, Burma, China and of course North Korea as we speak, but it doesn't matter to me, and why should it? I concern myself with my country/countries (if we include the US, for which I have a fleeting modicum of interest) and in neither country is it illegal to deny the Holocaust; indeed, in the US you can have a Nazi parade through a Jewish neighbourhood. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_ Skokie) Germany (and a couple of its neighbours) have the (otherwise unique) laws for rather obvious postbellum reasons.

[LightHouse89]

''Civic nationalism'' or ''civic patriotism'' are pointless and abstract garbage. A country is worth loving for the people and not for theoretical principles and theories or even it's institutions.

civic nationalism is retarded just look at the disaster America is. I really no longer care what this country does with its laws......Other groups of 'Americans' are alien to me. I am not a Southerner, not a Cowboy, not an Afram and not a Puerto Rican yet all of these people are considered 'Americans'.......Americanism is not about race or culture but more like the EU nationalism or Eurasianism.....all abstract ideas with little to no meaning to them in terms of race, culture tribe etc......I want nothing to do with any of them. I am a New Englander and will always only be that. I am not ashamed of it at all. I take more pride in that than this phony 'American' bullshit.

[LightHouse89]

I detest the ideology which caused huge damage to many countries, including Germany. My country lost 27 million people in WWII.

Germany died after ww1. Hitler was nothing more than a brief period of romanticizing the Holy Roman Empire....Napoleon did this too and it ruined france forever. Both nations are really dead and hollow today.

I do not detest the ideology at all but do not view it as entirely perfect. Hitler ruined National Socialism...a belief he did not create himself but took from the works of Strasser who was very different than Hitler. A shame his work was destroyed and will never be acceptable. Instead we are forced to live under liberalism and socialism. Modern day Germany is just another American state....with a flag that represents the same shame after ww1. I am thinking off getting rid of the permission group in my profile because it has this same flag in it. A shameful reminder that Germany is a prostitute country for American GIs and Businesses. I am shocked germans and some westerners love America.....If I was german the only wish I would have is that America would disappear completely.

I am just shocked though that modern day germans love democracy and liberalism despite those two systems being the very poison within their society as a whole.

But then again modern day Germany like most of Europe is meaningless and insignificant. Today a European could be a black person, an arab, an Asian....just about anyone born there....hell even jihadists are call Europeans these days so there is nothing special about being European in the modern sense. We live in an uninspiring world.

[Kamal900]

Why didn't they do it in any countries that actually matter? Also, the Germans did it. Not the Jews. I'm not sure if Holocaust denial is illegal in Israel but I haven't heard of any cases. Many countries don't quite have total freedom of speech. Inciting racial hatred, insulting the monarchy in certain countries, etc. Whilst I agree that thoughtcrime shouldn't be persecuted, you're free to deny the holocaust in most countries that aren't France or Germany and whilst I'm sure French and German people are all the worse for it, the Anglosphere remains unaffected and that is what I concern myself with. Incidentally, political dissidents are jailed in Thailand, Burma, China and of course North Korea as we speak, but it doesn't matter to me, and why should it? I concern myself with my country/countries (if we include the US, for which I have a fleeting modicum of interest) and in neither country is it illegal to deny the Holocaust; indeed, in the US you can have a Nazi parade through a Jewish neighbourhood. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_ Skokie) Germany (and a couple of its neighbours) have the (otherwise unique) laws for rather obvious postbellum reasons.

In Israel, holocaust denial is illegal, and you would spend most of your life behind bars if you did in public. The holocaust grants Jews immunity in criticism against them when it comes to Israel, or their control in the media, academia, politics, and finance in countries they happen to live in, esp in America. The holocaust also push this idea that Jews were pure innocent victims, and the reason why the Germans persecuted them is due to racial reasons(only because they are jewish). The REAL reasons why Hitler and the National Socialists hated the jews so much is because Jews were the front players in spreading communism in Germany, and they were the key players in the country's degradation of culture, art, music, and society generally(as they do today in America and Europe). Kark Radek was Jewish, and he was one of the most aggressive communist agitator in the early 20th century, along with other jews like Leon Trotsky AKA Lev Bronstein, Lazar Kegonovich, Maxim Wallach, Gregory Zenovyov, Bella Kun(Cohen), Rosa Luxembourg and her Jewish accomplices and etc, and he was a key player in spreading communism, along with his other jewish friend, Karl Radek, in Germany, and Hitler began to hate Jews because of that.

Karl Radek:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/radek/photos/radek-karl.jpg

Kurt Eisner:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/7/7b/WP_Kurt_Eisner_3.jpg

[Polski]

Don't confuse 'having a minority opinion' with being a freethinker and the reverse. You churn out idiocy and you don't even have the courtesy to back it up.



It failed kind of heavily. You don't need to be smart to know that.

Why do you keep on ignoring any questions I can ask to you?

When the burden of proof was on me I've provided evidence. In contrast, all you seem to do is give red herrings and ignore what I say.

Not quite, National Socialism itself did not fail but Hitler's Third Reich failed, remind yourself how many countries it took to defeat him... National Socialism did not all of a sudden become failed in 1945 just because the Germans lost the war.

Germany died after ww1. Hitler was nothing more than a brief period of romanticizing the Holy Roman Empire....Napoleon did this too and it ruined france forever. Both nations are really dead and hollow today.

I do not detest the ideology at all but do not view it as entirely perfect. Hitler ruined National Socialism...a belief he did not create himself but took from the works of Strasser who was very different than Hitler. A shame his work was destroyed and will never be acceptable. Instead we are forced to live under liberalism and socialism. Modern day Germany is just another American state....with a flag that represents the same shame after ww1. I am thinking off getting rid of the permission group in my profile because it has this same flag in it. A shameful reminder that Germany is a prostitute country for American GIs and Businesses. I am shocked germans and some westerners love America.....If I was german the only wish I would have is that America would disappear completely.

I am just shocked though that modern day germans love democracy and liberalism despite those two systems being the very poison within their society as a whole.

But then again modern day Germany like most of Europe is meaningless and insignificant. Today a European could be a black person, an arab, an Asian....just about anyone born there....hell even jihadists are call Europeans these days so there is nothing special about being European in the modern sense. We live in an uninspiring world.

How did Hitler ruin National Socialism? If anything he was the man who put it into practice and raised it to its highest capacity.

Strasser didn't invent National Socialism, the ideology pre-dates any NSDAP members.

A lot of Germans do not love democracy and liberalism but when your country has dozens of foreign migrants there and the parties in power preach this then the masses even if they are not true Germans have the say, the same applies in most European countries where such filth is the dominant ideology in power.

[Longbowman]

Why do you keep on ignoring any questions I can ask to you?

When the burden of proof was on me I've provided evidence. In contrast, all you seem to do is give red herrings and ignore what I say.

You don't quite understand what a red herring is. It's a clue that turns out to be misleading. It's not applicable in this conversation. And no, you've provided nothing.

[RandoBloom]

Stop cherry picking. A few statements of their racial inferiority and agreeing with them being sub-humans does not equate to "non-Aryan" status.

I've already shown you examples of where by primary sources by the National Socialists themselves Czechs, Poles and other Slavs were used as examples of Aryans. Himmler even said Russians were Aryan (German: "in diesem gepeinigten arischen Volk") when recruiting for the "The SS as an Anti-Bolshevik Fighting Organization" in 1936.

The term subhumans (Untermenschen) when used towards Poles, Russians or Slavs was an opinion and not an overall universal view like it was to Jews.

Question: Is it true that the Germans referred to the Russians as "subhumans"?

Answer: Nonsense! The Russians are human beings just like everyone else.

Your question, whether we called the Russians "subhumans," is nonsense. We had a first-class relationship with the Russian people. The only exception, which was a problem we dealt with, was with the Soviet Commissars, who were all Jews. These people stood behind the lines with machine guns, pushing the Russian soldiers into battle. And anyway, we made quick work of them. That was according to order. This was during a war for basic existence, an ideological war, when such a policy is simply taken for granted.

There was sometimes talk about the so-called Asian hordes, and ordinary soldiers sometimes spoke about subhumans, but such language was never officially used.
”
—Stephanie Schoeman's interview with General Otto Ernst Remer, 1990

Hitler spoke of the "European-Aryan peoples" this includes Slavs since they are also Europeans and his own racial laws used Poles and Danes as 'racial minority groups' who are 'related blood' to the Germans and thus open to Reich Citizenship. As you fine well know, Poles are Slavs.

Also, the National Socialists stressed hard on the Nordic race superiority and were quite well aware of how common East-Nordic was in Eastern Europe. East-Nordic is one of the most common phenotypes in Northern Slavs (Czechs, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, etc).

The thoughts of "racial inferiority" from a racial point of view could never be used, it was because racial thoughts was subject to political principle.



Do you even know what cherrypicking is? If I was cherrypicking you would find 10 examples of Hitler praising slavs on every example I give where he does the opposite.

But not as slavs but as slavicized Germans/Goths/Arians etc..

Oppinion or not, the plan for colonisation of Liebensraum meant killing of all slavs inhabiting the area, and pushing the survivors across the Urals.


Nazi ideology viewed the Poles and Russians as non-Aryans Untermenschen (sub-humans), suitable for enslavement, expulsion and extermination.[1][2] The Generalplan Ost (GPO) was a secret Nazi plan to realize Hitler's "new order of ethnographical relations" in the territories occupied by Nazi Germany in Eastern Europe during World War II. It was prepared in 1941 and confirmed in 1942. The plan was part of Hitler's own Lebensraum (living space) plan and a fulfillment of the Drang nach Osten ("Drive towards the East") state ideology.[9]

The final version of Generalplan Ost, essentially a grand plan for ethnic cleansing, was divided into two parts; the Kleine Planung ("Small Plan"), which covered actions which were to be taken during the war, and the Grosse Planung ("Big Plan"), which covered actions to be undertaken after the war was won (to be carried into effect gradually over a period of 25–30 years). The Small Plan was to be put into practice as the Germans conquered the areas to the east of their pre-war borders. The individual stages of this plan would then be worked out in greater detail. In this way, the plan for Poland was drawn up at the end of November 1939. The plan envisaged removal of majority of the population of conquered counties with very small differing percentages of the various conquered nations undergoing Germanisation, expulsion into the depths of Russia, and other fates, the net effect of which would be to ensure that the conquered territories would be Germanized.[9] Himmler declared during the Germanization process that no drop of German blood would be lost or left behind to mingle with any "alien races".[37] The Wehrbauer ("soldier-peasants") would settle in a fortified line to prevent civilization arising beyond and threatening Germany.[38]

Himmler in the Kharkow speech April 1943 expressed the position and situation of the war:

The decision, therefore, lies here in the East; here must the Russian enemy, this people numbering two hundred million Russians, be destroyed on the battle field and person by person, and made to bleed to death .[39]

Civilian deaths totaled 15.9 million which included 1.5 million from military actions; 7.1 million victims of Nazi genocide and reprisals; 1.8 million deported to Germany for forced labor; and 5.5 million famine and disease deaths. Additional famine deaths which totaled 1 million during 1946–47 are not included here. The official Polish government report of war losses prepared in 1947 reported 6,028,000 war victims out of a population of 27,007,000 ethnic Poles and Jews; this report excluded ethnic Ukrainian and Belarusian losses.

Lol Otto Erns in 1990's hahaha
What is he going to say then lol

What matters is the German and nazi views when nazi's had power.

No he didnt speak of European Aryans and considered Russians in that group. Russians were subhumans, fit for enslavement, expulsion and extermination.


Untermensch (German for underman, sub-man, subhuman; plural: Untermenschen) is a term that became infamous when the Nazis used it to describe "inferior people"[1] often referred to as "the masses from the East," that is Jews, Gypsies, and Slavs (including Poles, Serbs, Belarusians, Russians, and Rusyns).[2][3] The term was also applied to black people.[4] Jewish people were to be exterminated[5] in the Holocaust, just as Slavs in Generalplan Ost, who were destined to be removed from European territory under German control through murder and ethnic cleansing. While the Nazis were inconsistent in the implementation of their policy, its genocidal death toll was in tens of millions of victims.[6][7]

So please dont humilate yourself further.
I know how hard it is for you as slavic nazi to realise that you are subhuman and need to die acording to the ideology you follow, but you will get used to it.

[TheForeigner]

You don't quite understand what a red herring is. It's a clue that turns out to be misleading. It's not applicable in this conversation. And no, you've provided nothing.

But you really never present evidence for any of your claims. All you do is ''answer'' with witty and ironic phrases and speak in a very general manner about how obvious it is that nazism is evil and all critical of Jewry are evil nazis and all contrary opinions are foolish.

[TheForeigner]

What is the evidence that nazis wanted to exterminate Slavs? No such proof. Slavs would have been in part reduced to a servant proletarian class of the Germans and in part deported to areas outside of the Greater German Reich. Also dissidents and elites would be exterminated,deported or sent to concentration camps. A good part of the Slavs were considered of ''good racial stock'' and would be assimilated into the German population, especially children who could even be kidnapped and raised as Germans. This is all very bad and utterly evilactually, but still very far from the supposed plans of exterminating Slavs. No proof for that exists. It does seem they considered Slavs inferior for some reason, but never explained it. It was because of their Lebensraum plans, rather than racial doctrinairianism I believe. Calling them Aryans would have been meaningless, since that was a common term for Gentile European at the time and was not some special Nazi term. It was supposed to mean Indo-European(as a kind of metonimy) and people could have different definitions for it or who was or wasn't Aryan. Some people today in Latin countries like France, Italy or Romania use the term Indo-European in this way.

[RandoBloom]

What is the evidence that nazis wanted to exterminate Slavs? No such proof. Slavs would have been in part reduced to a servant proletarian class of the Germans and in part deported to areas outside of the Greater German Reich. Also dissidents and elites would be exterminated,deported or sent to concentration camps. A good part of the Slavs were considered of ''good racial stock'' and would be assimilated into the German population, especially children who could even be kidnapped and raised as Germans. This is all very bad and utterly evilactually, but still very far from the supposed plans of exterminating Slavs. No proof for that exists. It does seem they considered Slavs inferior for some reason, but never explained it. It was because of their Lebensraum plans, rather than racial doctrinairianism I believe. Calling them Aryans would have been meaningless, since that was a common term for Gentile European at the time and was not some special Nazi term. It was supposed to mean Indo-European(as a kind of metonimy) and people could have different definitions for it or who was or wasn't Aryan. Some people today in Latin countries like France, Italy or Romania use the term Indo-European in this way.

Lol one can see that you are a slav simply due to your determination to ignore the evidence and facts and exchange that for soothsaying.
I provided evidence that you would all be killed on previous page.
You slav

[TheForeigner]

Lol one can see that you are a slav simply due to your determination to ignore the evidence and facts and exchange that for soothsaying.
I provided evidence that you would all be killed on previous page.
You slav

I'm not really a Slav. I'm from Romania, from the region of Dobruja and of mixed ethnic background, including some South Slav(Serbian). You are more Slavic than me and I'm not pro-Nazi. I think they were a plague for Europe, but no need to make them more evil than they were.

[RandoBloom]

I'm not really a Slav. I'm from Romania, from the region of Dobruja and of mixed ethnic background, including some South Slav(Serbian). You are more Slavic than me and I'm not pro-Nazi. I think they were a plague for Europe, but no need to make them more evil than they were.

I am telling you how it is. They would kill all slavs since slavs are subhumans. Simple as that.
And I am not slavic.

[TheForeigner]

I am telling you how it is. They would kill all slavs since slavs are subhumans. Simple as that.
And I am not slavic.

Bosniaks are Slavs and closely related with Croats and Serbs. Only religion makes you three different at all. I'm telling you serfdom was more likely for the bulk of Slavs. Generalplan Ost is not supported by much evidence in original documents. You can still say Nazis were bad for Slavs or in general without believing fantastical tales and lieing propaganda.

[RandoBloom]

Bosniaks are Slavs and closely related with Croats and Serbs. Only religion makes you three different at all. I'm telling you serfdom was more likely for the bulk of Slavs. Generalplan Ost is not supported by much evidence in original documents. You can still say Nazis were bad for Slavs or in general without believing fantastical tales and lieing propaganda.

Bosniaks arent slavs. If they were we would look like slavs. Look at Serbs and Croats, the slavs around us.
They are dark, dark skinned, dark haired, dark eyed. And we are opposite.
Saying we are related to those people is ridickulous when difference can be seen with naked eye.
Religion isnt what determines Bosniaks. There are plenty Christian Bosniaks.

[Obscene]

Polski is back! :icon_cheesygrin:

[TheForeigner]

Bosniaks arent slavs. If they were we would look like slavs. Look at Serbs and Croats, the slavs around us.
They are dark, dark skinned, dark haired, dark eyed. And we are opposite.
Saying we are related to those people is ridickulous when difference can be seen with naked eye.
Religion isnt what determines Bosniaks. There are plenty Christian Bosniaks.

What makes Bosniaks then? I don't know if all Croats and Serbs are that way, but the darker phenotypes are from the Paleobalkanic substratum. So if anything, you being lighter means you are more Slavic by blood than them, since Slavs came from East-Central Europe further North and were like Poles and East Slavs(non-Finnic admixed ones).

[RandoBloom]

What makes Bosniaks then? I don't know if all Croats and Serbs are that way, but the darker phenotypes are from the Paleobalkanic substratum. So if anything, you being lighter means you are more Slavic by blood than them, since Slavs came from East-Central Europe further North and were like Poles and East Slavs(non-Finnic admixed ones).

Common history and ancestry tying us to Bosnia. If it was religion then atheists would stop being Bosniaks, Christians wouldnt be Bosniaks, and there would be no mention of Bosniaks prior to Islam. Yet there is mention of Bosniaks before Islam, Bosnian language before all of that, there is atheist and christian Bosniaks etc...

They are the ones calling themselves slavs. As such that is a slavic trait.
Slavs like Poles or Russians arent dark, but they have the retarded look to them, uncomon in Europe.

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Bosniaks arent dark, but they dont look like Russians.

[TheForeigner]

Pff

[TheForeigner]

Common history and ancestry tying us to Bosnia. If it was religion then atheists would stop being Bosniaks, Christians wouldnt be Bosniaks, and there would be no mention of Bosniaks prior to Islam. Yet there is mention of Bosniaks before Islam, Bosnian language before all of that, there is atheist and christian Bosniaks etc...

They are the ones calling themselves slavs. As such that is a slavic trait.
Slavs like Poles or Russians arent dark, but they have the retarded look to them, uncomon in Europe.

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Bosniaks arent dark, but they dont look like Russians.


I'd rather say some russians have a cruel and primitive look. The ukrainian with the chyrilic writing username(Lissy? girl name?) is a good example on this forum. What do you think bosniaks are then? I think they are Slavs because of the language. I wish I was Slav, rather than ''Latin'' which I don't consider myself anyway and not ethnic Romanian, for being a mutt.

[RandoBloom]

I'd rather say some russians have a cruel and primitive look. The ukrainian with the chyrilic writing username(Lissy? girl name?) is a good example on this forum. What do you think bosniaks are then? I think they are Slavs because of the language. I wish I was Slav, rather than ''Latin'' which I don't consider myself anyway and not ethnic Romanian, for being a mutt.

Language doesnt make someone something. What if Germany is black, and they keep speaking German? Are the blacks German?

Bosniaks are Illyrians historicaly and geneticaly.

Your wishes are your own

[StormBringer]

They are the ones calling themselves slavs. As such that is a slavic trait.
Slavs like Poles or Russians arent dark, but they have the retarded look to them, uncomon in Europe.

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Bosniaks arent dark, but they dont look like Russians.

Didn't people say you'd fit into Poland on your classification thread?

[RandoBloom]

Didn't people say you'd fit into Poland on your classification thread?

What people, mines :laugh:
You have the thread standing.

[StormBringer]

In Poland.

[RandoBloom]

And also in Sweden.
And, your point?

[StormBringer]

If it looks like a Slav and quacks like a Slav...

[RandoBloom]

If it looks like a Slav and quacks like a Slav...

Lol keep dreaming. I know you would like superior beings like us to join your filth.

[Foxy]

but there were also many slavs who fought for hitler, the original arier nachweis (aryan pass) had in its title "all aryans wherever they are italians, germans, poles..." etc.
i think nazis considered slavs as aryans and white, there were no interracial marriage laws against a german marrying a czech or a pole or russian etc.

Sorry but not, slavs were regarded as an inferior race in anthropological sense and their destiny was to be slaves or wood for chemney.

Hitler supported only the germanificazion of those with features that were taxonomically aryan (nordid Estonians, Ukrainians and others...)

[Longbowman]

But you really never present evidence for any of your claims. All you do is ''answer'' with witty and ironic phrases and speak in a very general manner about how obvious it is that nazism is evil and all critical of Jewry are evil nazis and all contrary opinions are foolish.

Neither do you guys! You just say, 'well look, you can go to jail for it so it must be true.' That's not an argument, no matter how many times you repeat it. The fact is I'm defending the historical record. The accepted truth it it happened. I am not going to sit here and argue that it happened, that would be like arguing that Rome existed; if you want, provide arguments as to why it didn't and I will explain that they're bullshit, but they have to be historical arguments and not conspiracy talk about laws that don't even exist in most countries.

[TheForeigner]

Neither do you guys! You just say, 'well look, you can go to jail for it so it must be true.' That's not an argument, no matter how many times you repeat it. The fact is I'm defending the historical record. The accepted truth it it happened. I am not going to sit here and argue that it happened, that would be like arguing that Rome existed; if you want, provide arguments as to why it didn't and I will explain that they're bullshit, but they have to be historical arguments and not conspiracy talk about laws that don't even exist in most countries.

I'm not a Holocaust denier and I only doubt some details and especially plans to exterminate Slavs, which I think are nothing but lieing propaganda by western liberal establishment and communists. I still think Nazis were a curse on Europe and only helped the triumph of your bullshit liberal thinking if anything, although that was not intended the way some conspiracy nuts think. I know there is no proof they made soap or lampshades of humans and there is in fact proof in the form of authorative testimony form American military officers that none was made. I don't believe in any plans to exterminate any gentile Europeans and Generalplan Ost seems like a propaganda rag if anything. Where are the original documents for that? Destroyed by nazis? A likely and convenient story, huh? I don't think that Jews had done nothing to deserve the hatred of gentiles, but nazis were still insane, too vengeful and frightfully cruel(although not sadists like some communist Jews and gentiles).

[Longbowman]

I'm not a Holocaust denier and I only doubt some details and especially plans to exterminate Slavs, which I think are nothing but lieing propaganda by western liberal establishment and communists. I still think Nazis were a curse on Europe and only helped the triumph of your bullshit liberal thinking if anything, although that was not intended the way some conspiracy nuts think. I know there is no proof they made soap or lampshades of humans and there is in fact proof in the form of authorative testimony form American military officers that none was made. I don't believe in any plans to exterminate any gentile Europeans and Generalplan Ost seems like a propaganda rag if anything. Where are the original documents for that? Destroyed by nazis? A likely and convenient story, huh? I don't think that Jews had done nothing to deserve the hatred of gentiles, but nazis were still insane, too vengeful and frightfully cruel(although not sadists like some communist Jews and gentiles).

What's my liberal bullshit thinking? No one believes in the soap thing anymore. Even if you don't believe in Generalplan Ost they definitely invaded the East. What do think they wanted to do? Also the Nazis certainly made a stab at exterminating the Roma.

[TheForeigner]

What's my liberal bullshit thinking? No one believes in the soap thing anymore. Even if you don't believe in Generalplan Ost they definitely invaded the East. What do think they wanted to do? Also the Nazis certainly made a stab at exterminating the Roma.

Yes no doubt they wanted to exterminate or initially at least, to evacuate the Jews and Gypsies from Europe. I think they were to make Slavs into a healot servant class for the most part, while evacuating some to Slavic ''bantustans'' beyond the Urals and then assimilate some others as ''good blood''. This is what they said they wanted to do. Even Generalplan Ost claims they wanted to make sure the bulk of food and resources during the war and especially winter goes to Germans and West Europeans and Soviets might suffer from famine as a consequence and they would have to expect and accept this famine and mass death from it as inevitable. They also mention possibilities of growing more food. http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20050 This is very informative and both povs are well represented, although no one here is neonazis or Holocaust denier. Otherwise it's cleat that Jews, but also leftists and liberals who are gentiles have exploited the Holocaust for political and even financial purposes. Your liberal crap is your slander against true nationalism and national consciousness for people of european descent. That is in part also a product of your partial Jewish ancestry and upbringing. You don't like British or English ethnic nationalism, since you are no Englishman yourself, but a mere part Jew mongrel, with no real or possible identity or heritage.

[Longbowman]

Yes no doubt they wanted to exterminate or initially at least, to evacuate the Jews and Gypsies from Europe. I think they were to make Slavs into a healot servant class for the most part, while evacuating some to Slavic ''bantustans'' beyond the Urals and then assimilate some others as ''good blood''. This is what they said they wanted to do. Even Generalplan Ost claims they wanted to make sure the bulk of food and resources during the war and especially winter goes to Germans and West Europeans and Soviets might suffer from famine as a consequence and they would have to expect and accept this famine and mass death from it as inevitable. They also mention possibilities of growing more food. http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20050 This is very informative and both povs are well represented, although no one here is neonazis or Holocaust denier.

Yeah more or less.


Otherwise it's cleat that Jews, but also leftists and liberals who are gentiles have exploited the Holocaust for political and even financial purposes. Your liberal crap is your slander against true nationalism and national consciousness for people of european descent. That is in part also a product of your partial Jewish ancestry and upbringing. You don't like British or English ethnic nationalism, since you are no Englishman yourself, but a mere part Jew mongrel, with no real or possible identity or heritage.

I don't like any ethnic nationalism, and it's not because I'm not a pure Briton. As explained, saying ethnic nationalism is 'true' nationalism is stupid. My Jewish upbringing aside (what, do you think I was raised by rabbis who taught me to hate non-Jewish whites? Idiotic) I do just fine without 'the possibility of a real identity or heritage' and uncharitable people might say it's better to be nothing than to be from the Balkans - it's not like this forum is blessed with many upstanding denizens of the peninsula. Why should I care if my identity can't be formed around a particular ethnicity?

Here's two errors you make: one, you assume everyone wants and even needs to have some kind of pure blood for reasons of sanity, that being x is integral to who you are as a human. This is incorrect. I have no desire to identify as ethnically x, y or z. Culturally, of course, I am a product of the UK (blah blah blah you're not a true Englishman unless you're of the blood blah blah, as if any English person I've met can spot a difference) but a good amount of people really don't care.

Two: you seem to assume Jews are out to get you. You have made the error of believing you are important enough for them to care, but also the error in believing they act as a homogeneous unit, and finally the error of believing that assuming they were a homogeneous unit, they'd hate whites. If they were a homogeneous unit, they'd hate/fear Arabs and Muslims. And if the 'you' was singular; I'm really not out to attack individual ethnicities. I'm dating a mixed-race Catholic. I don't care worth a damn about preservationism but if you think I'd waste so much as a breath on second-worlders and their primitive ideas, you are sorely mistaken.

[TheForeigner]

Ok sorry about the ''mongrel'' thing. I was trolling you a bit and I am a mutt too anyway. You are not an insane radical liberal either, but actually I don't see what is wrong with BNP and Nick Griffin. Their fallure is the ''merit'' of the slander campaign by British mass media. I saw a youtube video with Griffin a few years ago. He was giving a speech and answering questions at some university in the US and did very well. He seems moderate and reasonable, as well as a very good speaker. I did see that he had to say he doesn't deny the Holocaust anymore, so that was a past mistake and said he did so because it is used as weapon against nationalists. I don't know exactly what and in what way he denied it or why did he allowed nutty nordicists like Arthur Kemp ruin the image of the party. I think they are the most patriotic organization in the UK as a whole. They are not fascist, nor antisemitic. I'm not either.

[Longbowman]

Ok sorry about the ''mongrel'' thing. I was trolling you a bit and I am a mutt too anyway. You are not an insane radical liberal either, but actually I don't see what is wrong with BNP and Nick Griffin. Their fallure is the ''merit'' of the slander campaign by British mass media. I saw a youtube video with Griffin a few years ago. He was giving a speech and answering questions at some university in the US and did very well. He seems moderate and reasonable, as well as a very good speaker. I did see that he had to say he doesn't deny the Holocaust anymore, so that was a past mistake and said he did so because it is used as weapon against nationalists. I don't know exactly what and in what way he denied it or why did he allowed nutty nordicists like Arthur Kemp ruin the image of the party. I think they are the most patriotic organization in the UK as a whole. They are not fascist, nor antisemitic. I'm not either.

It's alright, I'm sorry for the Balkans remark :)

The party just isn't very good. I mean, I disagree with him (used to be fascist but never quite as far as he was) but he's not a good politician. Granted, he has a difficult position, because being a fascist gets you hated, but still, the BNP went bankrupt and lost 85% of their votes under him. Whether or not he's a good public speaker or a nice guy isn't relevant, and at this stage, neither is the BNP. If anything Britain First is more relevant now (the BF are the BNP to the BNP's National Front, every new generation needs a new right-wing party).

[Leto]

I'd rather say some russians have a cruel and primitive look. The ukrainian with the chyrilic writing username(Lissy? girl name?) is a good example on this forum.
First, he is Ukrainian. Second, it's not a "girl name". It means "bald" in Russian.

[Leto]

I'm not a Holocaust denier and I only doubt some details and especially plans to exterminate Slavs, which I think are nothing but lieing propaganda by western liberal establishment and communists.
"The Russian must die, so that we (can) live."
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[TheForeigner]

Is your mixed race Catholic girlfriend a third worlder from Latin America?:rolleyes:

[LightHouse89]

It's alright, I'm sorry for the Balkans remark :)

The party just isn't very good. I mean, I disagree with him (used to be fascist but never quite as far as he was) but he's not a good politician. Granted, he has a difficult position, because being a fascist gets you hated, but still, the BNP went bankrupt and lost 85% of their votes under him. Whether or not he's a good public speaker or a nice guy isn't relevant, and at this stage, neither is the BNP. If anything Britain First is more relevant now (the BF are the BNP to the BNP's National Front, every new generation needs a new right-wing party).

the british front sound like a bunch of turds. But the BNP to me was too soft. I however use to follow the English Nationalist groups...... this party was one that interested me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_First_Party :thumb001: english independence! a return to Puritanism :thumb001: