one trillion dollar aid to Africa was total waste? claims talented African author

[GrebluBro]

One trillion dollar aid to Africa was total waste?


Claimed here:
"Dead Aid" book by Damisa Moyo (graduate of Harvard University, University of Oxford)
http://makewealthhistory.org/2011/09/01/a-trillion-dollars-of-wasted-aid/

I respect this author a lot :)

http://developmentdiaries.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/damisa-moyo.jpg

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Building some nuke reactors and dams would not be a waste, but I suspect most of it was a waste. It was more to quiet down natives so corporations could plunder in peace than anything.

Just like welfare in US, why pay employees benefits when gubmint can take up the slack?

PS she's pretty damned hot.

[GrebluBro]

She is really hot..I wish to make such gorgeous black woman to bear my child to prove that I am not anti-Black :lol:

The problem is with Blacks breeding like rats and Black politicians are corrupted (like any other race).


Building some nuke reactors and dams would not be a waste, but I suspect most of it was a waste. It was more to quiet down natives so corporations could plunder in peace than anything.

Just like welfare in US, why pay employees benefits when gubmint can take up the slack?

PS she's pretty damned hot.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

She is really hot..I wish to make such gorgeous black woman to bear my child to prove that I am not anti-Black :lol:

The problem is with Blacks breeding like rats and Black politicians are corrupted (like any other race).

low IQ and corruption go hand in hand. Because it takes a brain to care about long game. Even arabs can't run their own food supply, they would starve to death without US farmers running everything.

[simple_guy]

if Africa is to stop civil wars and make progress, sense of responsibility and progress needs to be instilled in them via Art of Living programs

[GrebluBro]

Are you a member of Art of Living program?


if Africa is to stop civil wars and make progress, sense of responsibility and progress needs to be instilled in them via Art of Living programs

[GrebluBro]

bump

[Äijä]

if Africa is to stop civil wars and make progress, sense of responsibility and progress needs to be instilled in them via Art of Living programs

Good program would be where the African countries pick one country to colonise them.

[GrebluBro]

Good program would be where the African countries pick one country to colonise them.

Among all Sub-Saharan countries, only Ghana is good enough.
I don't consider South-Africa because it was a Whites construct.

[Äijä]

Among all Sub-Saharan countries, only Ghana is good enough.
I don't consider South-Africa because it was a Whites construct.

I ment outside of Africa. ;)

[GrebluBro]

I ment outside of Africa. ;)

Well then Africans would be better off with Whites presence.

Compare Zimbabwe before 2000 and after 2000 :)
once progressive country and now shithole

[GrebluBro]

Even arabs can't run their own food supply

Almost all MENA countries and developed countries like Korea and Japan need to import significant percent of their food => meaning over-populated comparing to sustainable limit.

Surprisingly, countries like India and China can feed themselves and even export some food because their arable land supports massive population.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

if Africa is to stop civil wars and make progress, sense of responsibility and progress needs to be instilled in them via Art of Living programs

And ding together in big cumbayah rally. I think being christian helps a lot with peace but real problems take real work to sort out, there's no magic bullet.

[Cleitus]

It doesnt matter how many Millions or even Trillions of dollars they send to africa it wont change anything.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

It doesnt matter how many Millions or even Trillions of dollars they send to africa it wont change anything.

It WILL change, but only slowly over centuries.

[portusaus]

Of course! Every penny is a waste. Why does an African need to say this?

[GrebluBro]

Of course! Every penny is a waste. Why does an African need to say this?

Reports says it is more than one trillion dollars, which was a huge loss to Western World's wealth.

I would have called it useful, if Africans really used it.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

She is really hot..I wish to make such gorgeous black woman to bear my child to prove that I am not anti-Black :lol:

The problem is with Blacks breeding like rats and Black politicians are corrupted (like any other race).
.
Tit F*ck her black tits.:thumb001:

[GrebluBro]

Any day any time if she calls me :P


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Tit F*ck her black tits.:thumb001:

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Almost all MENA countries and developed countries like Korea and Japan need to import significant percent of their food => meaning over-populated comparing to sustainable limit.

Surprisingly, countries like India and China can feed themselves and even export some food because their arable land supports massive population.

Yeah they don't grow all their own food, but it's US farmers who run their farms and increased their production many times over.

Of course US did same thing in India and China but only to kickstart them, not to take over their whole food production.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Any day any time if she calls me :P

I think that's the only thing they are good on to use or best used for, for F*ck. :p

[GrebluBro]

I think that's the only thing they are good on to use or best used for, for F*ck. :p

If White & Native-American features mix is good, some Black chicks look so hot :P

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

If White & Native-American features mix is good, some Black chicks look so hot :P

minority,the ones that do they look hot mostly from chin down. :p

[Wadaad]

That thumb up was by mistake OP...:P

[lei.talk]

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/unmasking-the-art-of-living/Content?oid=3221659

http://aolfree.wordpress.com/

http://artoflivingfree.blogspot.com/

https://beyondaolfree.wordpress.com/

[Cleitus]

It WILL change, but only slowly over centuries.
Inh your dreams maybe

[GrebluBro]

Inh your dreams maybe

What makes you think Black-Africans are meant to be perennially poor ?

culture? genes? colonization-impact? unstoppable brain-drain?

[Windischer]

old news.
the "aid" often damages economy and plunges even more ppl to poverty - usually those who try to do a business.

[glass]

main reason of africa poverty is their enormous birth rates encouraged by foreign aid and modern medicine, this lead to overgrown population, their economy simply can not feed such amount of people.
if west or whoever else wants to help Africa they should stop send medical supplies or food there, real aid to Africa will be technology and educated specialists to increase productivity of their agriculture sector. Sterilization of half of their women would help as well

[blklady2013]

They should refuse Western aid. Chinese aid as well. It comes at a high price anyway. Then, close the borders and focus on bolstering the economy with the resources available. Africa needs to cut ties with the West, aid and all.
Sustainable agriculture needs to be the focus. Africa has more than enough landmass to support it's booming population.


But the problem is that if any African leader plans to do so, they'd be setting themselves up for an assassination because there are other powers at play in African politics than the African leaders themselves. And they want puppet regimes that will give them cheap/free access to the natural resources they desire.

[GrebluBro]

They should refuse Western aid. Chinese aid as well. It comes at a high price anyway. Then, close the borders and focus on bolstering the economy with the resources available. Africa needs to cut ties with the West, aid and all.
Sustainable agriculture needs to be the focus. Africa has more than enough landmass to support it's booming population.


But the problem is that if any African leader plans to do so, they'd be setting themselves up for an assassination because there are other powers at play in African politics than the African leaders themselves. And they want puppet regimes that will give them cheap/free access to the natural resources they desire.

I agreed and I also wish all Sub-Saharan African countries create a mandatory sterilization policy once a woman has 3 children.

After a decade, sterilization should be down after 2 children.

India and Sub-Saharan Africa can feed roughly 1.5 billion only if forest land area is maintained around 25% (minimum share to get nature benefits; all European nations follow this).

Africa might be so big but arable land percent is not high on average, India got roughly 50% of its land as Arable (hence it is self-sufficient and in fact export excess food sometimes despite having 1.3 billion people)

[Cleitus]

What makes you think Black-Africans are meant to be perennially poor ?

culture? genes? colonization-impact? unstoppable brain-drain?
Race genes

[blklady2013]

I agreed and I also wish all Sub-Saharan African countries create a mandatory sterilization policy once a woman has 3 children.

After a decade, sterilization should be down after 2 children.

India and Sub-Saharan Africa can feed roughly 1.5 billion only if forest land area is maintained around 25% (minimum share to get nature benefits; all European nations follow this).

Africa might be so big but arable land percent is not high on average, India got roughly 50% of its land as Arable (hence it is self-sufficient and in fact export excess food sometimes despite having 1.3 billion people)
I don't support sterilization. I support lifestyle education instead. In fact there is a direct correlation between female education and fertility rates. Also believe it or not, huge overpopulation booms in Africa are a recent trend. Ancient sub-saharan African kingdoms boasted smaller yet more stablized populations in proportion to arable land availability due to lower birth rates and natural causes. Also nomadic populations traveled thus giving grazing lands time to naturally recoup.

As for whether Africa has enough arable land to support it's population booms, researchers believe not only can it sustain it's own growing populations, but it can sustain other world communities as well.
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/06/how-africa-could-feed-the-world/
"Consider, for example, Africa’s agricultural land. According to an influential recent analysis, Africa has around 600 million hectares of uncultivated arable land, roughly 60 percent of the global total.

And on the land that is being used, outdated technologies and techniques mean productivity is low. African cereal yields, for example, are just over one-third of the developing world average and have barely increased in 30 years. One major issue is that as much as 80 percent of Africa’s agriculture still depends on rain not irrigation."

If this is true, then African population control isn't the concern. Misappropriation of resources and governmental stability linked to ties with the elite of outside countries is.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Inh your dreams maybe

Larger the populations get, the more quickly loser genes will be weeded out. So eventually they will change but it will take thousand years or more.

[GrebluBro]

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I am extremely against African population growth which directly affects of millions of innocent animals and cause extreme deforestation.

Link you pointed is very Afro-centric, which is not reliable.

Check this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_population_density_based _on_food_growing_capacity

now density has increased since the data was made in 2000; countries like India got very suitable natural factors so density of 1000 per sq.km arable land is allowed easily, but in Africa the land is not as good as India (due to low growing seasons, weather, soil, etc) so limit should be 750 per sq.km

Arable land can be sometimes increased if country got too much forest, but many African countries actually has to reduce current Arable land to make room for more forest.
Without enough Forest, many African countries would be doomed. it won't rain enough, fertile soil will be washed away, so many other problems.
Like in the past, those poor countries will have to beg Western world for aid.

African continent would be totally fucked up if their population goes above 2 billion (actually projections claim at least 3.5 billion).
There is no fucking way to feed that many people, they will be a huge burden to other continent/race people as well.

They were just 0.1 billion in 1900, when Indian subcontinent was around 0.25 billion.
Indian subcontinent is now 1.5 billion and will stabilize at 1.75 billion. roughly 7 times (with enough good resources), but Africa is sooner to be burgeoned to 35 times (impossible to sustain).

I am deeply concerned about wild life and other natural consequences, and also chaos in other continents because of Africans.

[blklady2013]

I am extremely against African population growth which directly affects of millions of innocent animals and cause extreme deforestation.

Link you pointed is very Afro-centric, which is not reliable.

Check this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_population_density_based _on_food_growing_capacity

now density has increased since the data was made in 2000; countries like India got very suitable natural factors so density of 1000 per sq.km arable land is allowed easily, but in Africa the land is not as good as India (due to low growing seasons, weather, soil, etc) so limit should be 750 per sq.km

Arable land can be sometimes increased if country got too much forest, but many African countries actually has to reduce current Arable land to make room for more forest.
Without enough Forest, many African countries would be doomed. it won't rain enough, fertile soil will be washed away, so many other problems.
Like in the past, those poor countries will have to beg Western world for aid.

African continent would be totally fucked up if their population goes above 2 billion (actually projections claim at least 3.5 billion).
There is no fucking way to feed that many people, they will be a huge burden to other continent/race people as well.

They were just 0.1 billion in 1900, when Indian subcontinent was around 0.25 billion.
Indian subcontinent is now 1.5 billion and will stabilize at 1.75 billion. roughly 7 times (with enough good resources), but Africa is sooner to be burgeoned to 35 times (impossible to sustain).

I am deeply concerned about wild life and other natural consequences, and also chaos in other continents because of Africans.
You can't dismiss a source just because you don't like the implications. Accusing something of being afrocentric just because it goes against your stance is juvenile. But regardless, there is a consensus among researchers that food production in Africa isn't at nearly it's potential due to irrigation issues. Here's yet another link that supports this,
http://www.grida.no/graphicslib/detail/current-and-potential-arable-land-use-in-africa_a9fd since the previous one was too "afro-centric" :picard1:
And another. http://philmatibeceo.wordpress.com/2011/11/07/africa-the-world%E2%80%99s-potential-food-producer/
http://www.newafricanmagazine.com/features/economics/ensuring-food-security-in-africa
"AFRICA HAPPENS TO BE THE continent with the most arable land in the world. In fact it has 60% of the world’s available cropland. Statistically, Africa receives enough rainfall per year to feed 9 billion people."

As I said earlier, African populations can reasonably sustain itself off it's own natural resources if they focus on sustainable farming practices. Lately I've been looking into models such as natural farming (reference to Fukuoka's One Straw Revolution). So there's no need for population control measures such as sterilization. They've got the land and arable potential to sustain themselves. And perhaps other nations as well.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I am extremely against African population growth which directly affects of millions of innocent animals and cause extreme deforestation.

Link you pointed is very Afro-centric, which is not reliable.

Check this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_population_density_based _on_food_growing_capacity

now density has increased since the data was made in 2000; countries like India got very suitable natural factors so density of 1000 per sq.km arable land is allowed easily, but in Africa the land is not as good as India (due to low growing seasons, weather, soil, etc) so limit should be 750 per sq.km

Arable land can be sometimes increased if country got too much forest, but many African countries actually has to reduce current Arable land to make room for more forest.
Without enough Forest, many African countries would be doomed. it won't rain enough, fertile soil will be washed away, so many other problems.
Like in the past, those poor countries will have to beg Western world for aid.

African continent would be totally fucked up if their population goes above 2 billion (actually projections claim at least 3.5 billion).
There is no fucking way to feed that many people, they will be a huge burden to other continent/race people as well.

They were just 0.1 billion in 1900, when Indian subcontinent was around 0.25 billion.
Indian subcontinent is now 1.5 billion and will stabilize at 1.75 billion. roughly 7 times (with enough good resources), but Africa is sooner to be burgeoned to 35 times (impossible to sustain).

I am deeply concerned about wild life and other natural consequences, and also chaos in other continents because of Africans.

Current population of world is already not sustainable. African population can't really go up that much more, though. They will start to starve before then even if US doubles its grain production and sends all its extra food.

There needs to be worldwide 3 kid rule. Once you have medicine you have no reason to have more than 3....

[LightHouse89]

yes that and the aid money being poured into the middle eastern governments is a total waste of our tax money. but why should our government care its not their money they are flushing down the toilet.

[GrebluBro]

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Nigger leaders in the Africa have same mindset with heavy religious beliefs.
Why are they so dumb and fail to realize that poor family with just two children can bring good future to the children (having 6 or more will make poverty more worse, Africa is not the US where welfare feeds any number of black children)

Who will protect forests and millions of animals? already majority of Lions, Elephants, Rhinos (so many other creatures) are hunted.

In other parts of world also deforestation and hunting happens, but at very low rate (Europe is exception since they increase the forest and wild animals) and it will be easily restored.

The only BLack-African countries I admire are Ghana (Blacks did a good job, I love this country) and south-Africa (Whites made a good plan, Blacks follow it quite well)
there are few small southern-African countries also doing good.

BLack-Africans should wake the fuck up and get sterilized after 3 children.

Fuck any religion if it stops it, God also wants to take care of other creatures.

[blklady2013]

Blah, blah, blah, blklady. I'm trying to make myself look good to some white people.At first I gave you a chance because I thought you may have been worthy of debating. My mistake. You don't want real solutions or intelligent discourse. You want an opportunity to point out the failures of others to deflect from your own miserable existence. I don't thumbs you down because you are insulting Africans. I thumbs you down because you can't maintain a logical, rational discussion without devolving into your most recent posting bullshit as quoted in this post above.

But back to the point. I've posted several sources indicating that the problem in Africa isn't it's population because it has more than enough natural resources to support it's peoples such they focus on sustainability. You ignored those sources because they basically made you look like shit...although you were doing a fine job of that before I came along.
As for animal conservation, once again this market is driven by a demand overwhelmingly outside of African borders.
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/winner-of-350000-black-rhino-hunting-auction-goes-public-now-finds en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhino "To prevent poaching, in certain areas, rhinos have been tranquilized and their horns removed. Armed park rangers, particularly in South Africa, are also working on the front lines to combat poaching, sometimes killing poachers who are caught in the act. A recent spike in rhino killings has made conservationists concerned about the future of the species.[44] An average sized horn can bring in as much as a quarter of a million dollars in Vietnam and many rhino range states have stockpiles of rhino horn.[45][46]
Still, poaching is hitting record levels due to demands from China and Vietnam.[47] In March 2013, some researchers suggested that the only way to reduce poaching would be to establish a regulated trade based on humane and renewable harvesting from live rhinos.[48] The WWF however opposes legalization of the horn trade, as it may increase demand,[49] while IFAW released a report by EcoLarge, suggesting that more thorough knowledge of economic factors is required in order to justify the pro-trade option."
Yet another reason why Africa should close it's borders both to foreign aid and influence.


But I digress. So let's recap shall we? My stance is that Africa doesn't need inhumane depopulation efforts such as sterilization because as a variety of sources (you don't like) report, Africa has enough arable land potential to feed 9 billion people. With this fact in mind, African countries should cease acceptance of aid from foreign nations and focus more on its own natural resources and sustainable agriculture. This won't happen however, because of the intervention and consensus of global elite powers both within Africa and around the world as well. They give money to their corrupt African friends in the guise of "aid", and these leaders provide them with free access to resources they should be utilizing themselves.
The rest of your emotionally driven ranting is once again obsolete and ironic because in spite of your gratuitous use of the word "nigga", the only one acting as such in this thread and elsewhere in this forum is you.

[GrebluBro]

hmm because of slavery, world owe Blacks a lot..so all other countries should send billions of dollars and million tons of food every year to africa as aid

I can't debate with this low-intelligent piece of shit from Africa :picard1:

[rhiannon]

We have been sponsoring a beautiful little girl in Niger who so happens to have been born the same exact day as our son. Anything we are able to do to make her young life happier and more prosperous for her is definitely not a waste!!

All this dehumanization is very saddening to me.:(

[rhiannon]

I can't debate with this low-intelligent piece of shit from Africa :picard1:You better knock your shit off. Seriously. The poster you are referring to in this thread is no POS I can guaranfreakingTEE you that.

Her posts add to the quality of this forum. Afraid I can't say the same for yours, though.

Please stop with the insults immediately

[GrebluBro]

We have been sponsoring a beautiful little girl in Niger who so happens to have been born the same exact day as our son. Anything we are able to do to make her young life happier and more prosperous for her is definitely not a waste!!

All this dehumanization is very saddening to me.:(


I am sorry I can't take this kind of exceptions as exceptionally great (individually that little Niger kid is doing good and I appreciate your family) to a whole country.

If you guys invested money in health of that kid's mother and persuaded her to have just 2-3 kids (just assume her family is average Niger family with 7 children), whole family would have been better.

We have to efficient even in helping, we shouldn't let compassion take over not much compassionate but fruitful in long-run helps.

[GrebluBro]

You better knock your shit off. Seriously. The poster you are referring to in this thread is no POS I can guaranfreakingTEE you that.

Her posts add to the quality of this forum. Afraid I can't say the same for yours, though.

Please stop with the insults immediately

She modified my post and insulted me first.

You warn her first.

[rhiannon]

I am sorry I can't take this kind of exceptions as exceptionally great (individually that little Niger kid is doing good and I appreciate your family) to a whole country.

If you guys invested money in health of that kid's mother and persuaded her to have just 2-3 kids (just assume her family is average Niger family with 7 children), whole family would have been better.

We have to efficient even in helping, we shouldn't let compassion take over not much compassionate but fruitful in long-run helps.

If it were more feasible to help in a more direct manner in the way you are describing, we happily would. Thing is, I am not about to blame the common people in Niger for the issues facing that country. They're just the little guys at the mercy of their government (or lack thereof).

I certainly have no wish to dehumanize them, either. We can talk all we want about removing aid or not, but at the end of the day we are referring to human lives in the balance.....most of which are young children who hold no blame for their lot in life. Sorry, I just can't get on board with this sort of thinking:(

[blklady2013]

I can't debate with this low-intelligent piece of shit from Africa :picard1: You can't debate at all. All you do is run and avoid sources of information. I see why you didn't get accepted to a university and it has nothing to do with any alleged blacks who "stole your spot". It's because you are stupid and lack a rational critical thinking skills. I can't even imagine what your pathetic statement of purpose must have looked like. It's probably best if you go back to ignoring my posts and not step over the line into discourse with me because it's obvious you can't handle it. You're at your best on your knees. Don't stop on my account.

[rhiannon]

She modified my post and insulted me first.

You warn her first.

If she insulted you, might it occur to you that it's pretty hard to hold back when she's been forced to read hateful after hateful post of yours directed at the peoples of her ancestral homelands?

I mean c'mon dude. A person can only take so much.:rolleyes:

[blklady2013]

You better knock your shit off. Seriously. The poster you are referring to in this thread is no POS I can guaranfreakingTEE you that.

Her posts add to the quality of this forum. Afraid I can't say the same for yours, though.

Please stop with the insults immediately I apologize as well. He isn't arguing by himself...even if I am currently winning...lol! I'll try to restrain myself in the future but only b/c it's you. LOL!
http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130701113427/theamazingworldofgumball/images/f/f9/Famous-characters-Troll-face-Troll-face-poker-45046.png

[Graham]

What about the aid we give to India & Pakistan?

Foreign aid is a waste of time. Much better to do Fair Trade & charities.

[GrebluBro]

I//

You are a mother so your way of thinking would be about fostering an orphan.
I am a very young guy who is way different from you in thinking.

I am personally against any short-run help to Africa.

Every year roughly 10,000 young (<30 yrs) American women go to Africa in the name of volunteering.
All I see is American girls posing with little cute Nigga kids and showing them this is a camera, they post those pics in facebook and get a good name.

They did some volunteering which are at the cost of making local people lose a job.
Many Americans patronize (unintentionally) a lot there as if Africans got lower knowledge in planting and other stuff.

Actually these 10,000 young Americans do nothing productive, they want some shit in resume :picard2:

I wish all those 10,000 people donate $3000 dollars or something (saved from travel, living, food expenses) to birth-control or some efffective policies in Africa, rather than bitching around in that poor continent.

[Also]

I don't see what's the point with those aids, no one owes africans anything.

[GrebluBro]

What about the aid we give to India & Pakistan?

Foreign aid is a waste of time. Much better to do Fair Trade & charities.

India already mocked at British aid :lol:

[Graham]

Yeah I know. We are giving you free money & youse are telling us to fuck off. lol

[blklady2013]

If she insulted you, might it occur to you that it's pretty hard to hold back when she's been forced to read hateful after hateful post of yours directed at the peoples of her ancestral homelands?

I mean c'mon dude. A person can only take so much.:rolleyes:

Usually I try to overlook the majority of it in forums like these because I understand that cultural forums can be a place to vent. So it's rare that you'll find me going "OH HELL NAW! CALL AL SPARTON!" everytime somebody uses the n-word...lmao! It actually doesn't bother me all that much because I've been on black forums so I try not to be hypocritical...:)

But he's a big disappointment because he broaches real issues and then starts to behave like a child when outside sources disprove his stances. It just makes me think he's only worth trolling because he's not entering into these discussions to understand stuff like for instance Melonhead. He's just here to make a few unsupported negative statements to garner support from whites because he thinks that's what they want to hear. That's pathetic and deserves to be trolled out of the water. However, what I won't do is insult an entire Indian demographic just because he sucks at life.

But regardless. I'll try not to troll him too badly...

[GrebluBro]

If she insulted you, might it occur to you that it's pretty hard to hold back when she's been forced to read hateful after hateful post of yours directed at the peoples of her ancestral homelands?

I mean c'mon dude. A person can only take so much.:rolleyes:

As if India is considered holy land by all TA members.

By level of damage in thread,
India is number one
Africans come next
Whites follow
East Asians in the last.

I never insulted her or any body personally unless she or others started first, of course I am anti-Black just like tons of members who are anti-Indian in this forum :shrug:

[VAARON]

of course :picard1: , money without freedom = no productivity .

[Also]

I don't understand blacklady, on this post he quotes you saying that "hmm because of slavery, world owe Blacks a lot..so all other countries should send billions of dollars and million tons of food every year to africa as aid" (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?112341-one-trillion-dollar-aid-to-Africa-was-total-waste-claims-talented-African-author&p=2348145&viewfull=1#post2348145), though I can find that in your post. The posts I see of you you say africans shouldn't get aid.

[glass]

poverty in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Percentage_population_living_on_less_than_$1. 25_per_day_2009.svg)
India is the same category with SSAfrica

[GrebluBro]

poverty in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Percentage_population_living_on_less_than_$1. 25_per_day_2009.svg)
India is the same category with SSAfrica

Exactly.

In fact India is 1.5 times sub-Saharan African population, but barely few billion dollars reached India.

Lately, Indians told British to fuck off when British wanted to give aid :lol:

Western World don't care about poor Indians, nor do India ask them

Western World care (may be some intention) a lot about poor Africans (more than one 1000 billion dollars sent to SSA), they are requested by Africans as well

[glass]

Exactly.

In fact India is 1.5 times sub-Saharan African population, but barely few billion dollars reached India.

Lately, Indians told British to fuck off when British wanted to give aid :lol:

Western World don't care about poor Indians, nor do India ask them

Western World care (may be some intention) a lot about poor Africans (more than one 1000 billion dollars sent to SSA), they are requested by Africans as well
it is over a few decades not so big number really, just a few tens of billions each year

foreign aid received
here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received)

[Methusalem]

I don't see what's the point with those aids, no one owes africans anything.

Well what your naive, childish triracial chimp brain haven't grasp is that those 'aids' have literally no real effect since not only Africa but the whole Third world are kept as productive satellite states for a tiny elite of plutocrats and oligarchs. You surely don't now how much corrupt profit someone can make in an unstable, war ridden shithole filled with raw materials. Ever heard of installed puppet ministers, directed revolutions from above, proxy wars etc.

It is not about 'evil whites owning africans' something. You as well as me are victims of this globalist, nearly anarcho-capitalistic exploitation system.

[Also]

Well what your naive, childish triracial chimp brain haven't grasp is that those 'aids' have literally no real effect since not only Africa but the whole Third world are kept as productive satellite states for a tiny elite of plutocrats and oligarchs. You surely don't now how much corrupt profit someone can make in an unstable, war ridden shithole filled with raw materials. Ever heard of installed puppet ministers, directed revolutions from above, proxy wars etc.

It is not about 'evil whites owning africans' something. You as well as me are victims of this globalist, nearly anarcho-capitalistic exploitation system.

Hey, I am trying to be civilized, I don't use such foul words. Try to hold back your primitive subalpinid nature.

[Methusalem]

Hey, I am trying to be civilized, I don't use such foul words. Try to hold back your primitive subalpinid nature.

Triracial why are you avoiding my arguments? Unable to deal with the bitter reality of being lectured again?

[GrebluBro]

it is over a few decades not so big number really, just a few tens of billions each year

foreign aid received
here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received)

Who do you mean?
Indians or Africans?

cumulatively aid to Africa is more than $1000 billion dollars, very famous book talked about this in detail.

Cumulatively aid to India could be $10 to $20 billion, India is also poor with population much more than sub-Saharan African but for some reasons Indians are not receiving much aid or against receiving. (lately Britain was mocked by Indians which I hate).

[Also]

Triracial why are you avoiding my arguments? Unable to deal with the bitter reality of being lectured again?

You never lectured me on anything, and surely you don't really care about debating. Just a frustrated ethiopian obssesed with me.

[Astronaut]

it is over a few decades not so big number really, just a few tens of billions each year

foreign aid received
here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received)

You do realize that sum of 3.2 billion is a peanut sum considering the size of the country's economy ? Besides that aid is no humanitarian aid rather soft loan which has to be returned with interest.

[portusaus]

Triracial why are you avoiding my arguments? Unable to deal with the bitter reality of being lectured again?

Why are you calling him a "triracial" pejoratively if a) 'you aren't racist' and b) you're Negroid?

[blklady2013]

I don't understand blacklady, on this post he quotes you saying that "hmm because of slavery, world owe Blacks a lot..so all other countries should send billions of dollars and million tons of food every year to africa as aid" (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?112341-one-trillion-dollar-aid-to-Africa-was-total-waste-claims-talented-African-author&p=2348145&viewfull=1#post2348145), though I can find that in your post. The posts I see of you you say africans shouldn't get aid. LOL! I'm gonna put that troll face as my avatar if I keep this up...

What has just been witnessed is SouthAsian's irrational meltdown. There's a trend of this happening all over the forum. SouthAsian will parrot a stereotype about blacks. I'll come through with several reasons why he's dead wrong, oftentimes with snarky passive-aggressive insults as well as truthful allusions to his breath smelling curiously of human feces due to his incessant ass-kissing.
And in his inability to refute me or even face the sources I provide, he either a.) tries to insult me personally outside of the debate or b.) completely ignores my argument and runs away.

You'd do better to read my posts directly. Because you see this thread wasn't started with the intent to have meaningful conversation or a dialectical discourse. Oh no. The sole purpose of this thread was to see if he could provide a platform to gain positive attention from whites.

Now I knew that coming in. But I also thought, it has potential for meaningful conversation so I participated. And my stance as always been that Africa doesn't need aid nor outside influence. Also, the aid that is given doesn't go towards helping African countries anyway. It's just taken from taxpayers of various countries by its elite leaders and given to African elite leaders to gain unmitigated access to natural resources for the benefit of big businesses. The point South Asian struggled so earnestly to comprehend was that Africa doesn't need sterilization. (He emphasizes these extreme measures hoping to get a better grip on his accepted master's...oh sorry...) Instead, a review of the findings of several sources shows that Africa has the arable potential to feed 3 times it's current population. Additionally, population stabilization can be achieved through education, particular female education and increased quality of life. I didn't even get a chance to elaborate on what the latter would look like, before South Asian just decided to ignore all arguments to the contrary and went on a big huge orgy of bitchassery devoid of logic and rationality. To which I (being the evil snarky-wench I can sometimes be) added fuel to the fire by outting his attempts to choke on Nordic cock with his asinine reasons and it all went downhill from there.

:thumb001:

[Methusalem]

You never lectured me on anything, and surely you don't really care about debating. Just a frustrated ethiopian obssesed with me.

You made a retarded claim. I lectured you. You avoid to deal with reality. Now tell me again triracial? Who is frustrated?

[Methusalem]

Why are you calling him a "triracial" pejoratively if a) 'you aren't racist' and b) you're Negroid?

1) I am a racist

2)I am Caucasoid

[portusaus]

1) I am a racist

2)I am partially Negroid in denial

[glass]

You do realize that sum of 3.2 billion is a peanut sum considering the size of the country's economy ? Besides that aid is no humanitarian aid rather soft loan which has to be returned with interest.
well i think any nation with even little self respect would try avoid make a fortune from begging. It seems in India things different

[Also]

LOL! I'm gonna put that troll face as my avatar if I keep this up...

What has just been witnessed is SouthAsian's irrational meltdown. There's a trend of this happening all over the forum. SouthAsian will parrot a stereotype about blacks. I'll come through with several reasons why he's dead wrong, oftentimes with snarky passive-aggressive insults as well as truthful allusions to his breath smelling curiously of human feces due to his incessant ass-kissing.
And in his inability to refute me or even face the sources I provide, he either a.) tries to insult me personally outside of the debate or b.) completely ignores my argument and runs away.

You'd do better to read my posts directly. Because you see this thread wasn't started with the intent to have meaningful conversation or a dialectical discourse. Oh no. The sole purpose of this thread was to see if he could provide a platform to gain positive attention from whites.

Now I knew that coming in. But I also thought, it has potential for meaningful conversation so I participated. And my stance as always been that Africa doesn't need aid nor outside influence. Also, the aid that is given doesn't go towards helping African countries anyway. It's just taken from taxpayers of various countries by its elite leaders and given to African elite leaders to gain unmitigated access to natural resources for the benefit of big businesses. The point South Asian struggled so earnestly to comprehend was that Africa doesn't need sterilization. (He emphasizes these extreme measures hoping to get a better grip on his accepted master's...oh sorry...) Instead, a review of the findings of several sources shows that Africa has the arable potential to feed 3 times it's current population. Additionally, population stabilization can be achieved through education, particular female education and increased quality of life. I didn't even get a chance to elaborate on what the latter would look like, before South Asian just decided to ignore all arguments to the contrary and went on a big huge orgy of bitchassery devoid of logic and rationality. To which I (being the evil snarky-wench I can sometimes be) added fuel to the fire by outting his attempts to choke on Nordic cock with his asinine reasons and it all went downhill from there.

:thumb001:

I am not sure on the reasons southasian hates blacks, I think this is more to do with AA and what it made him lose, not really with seeking acceptance. I assume you support affirmative actions based on your posts and your thumbs. But we agree africans doesn't need aid.

[GrebluBro]

well i think any nation with even little self respect would try avoid make a fortune from begging. It seems in India things different

what the fuck are you talking about?
All countries receive aid or loan for business purpose or something.

India rejected British aid recently though British was offering it repetitively.

[Also]

.

He makes up random stuff to make himself feel better. He is suffering some sort of reality denial, he thinks he is european and more native to Europe than european alpines. All that "alpignid' bashing is probably just a cover for him to claim to be better than some white people and feel better about his racial insecurities.
He doesn't care if what he says about others is true, he just need the attention and this feeling of being above that he is addicted to.

[Astronaut]

well i think any nation with even little self respect would try avoid make a fortune from begging. It seems in India things different

India makes fortune from trade and commerce and not begging.India also gives aid to many countries in it's vicinity. Infact about two years ago India gave 10 billion $ to EU.
Most of that 3.2 billion $ comes from Japan for various developmental projects and in return India also gives them contracts worth billion of $.

So aid to India is a form of investment for mutual benefit.

[blklady2013]

Well what your naive, childish triracial chimp brain haven't grasp is that those 'aids' have literally no real effect since not only Africa but the whole Third world are kept as productive satellite states for a tiny elite of plutocrats and oligarchs. You surely don't now how much corrupt profit someone can make in an unstable, war ridden shithole filled with raw materials. Ever heard of installed puppet ministers, directed revolutions from above, proxy wars etc.

It is not about 'evil whites owning africans' something. You as well as me are victims of this globalist, nearly anarcho-capitalistic exploitation system.
THAT'S the bottom line here. When you think about the cultural myths about the inferiority of 3rd world countries and their populations that have been fed to us to justify using these lands and peoples for cheap labor to driven huge, wealthy big-businesses, it becomes clear.
Elites in Europe don't care about scores of foreign immigrants invading Europe. Just like corrupt leaders in Africa don't care about their starving populations, just like big businesses in America don't care about illegal immigration.
Why? Because they profit at the expense of their own peoples.

[LightHouse89]

We have been sponsoring a beautiful little girl in Niger who so happens to have been born the same exact day as our son. Anything we are able to do to make her young life happier and more prosperous for her is definitely not a waste!!

All this dehumanization is very saddening to me.:(

Well the issue is our tax money doesn't go to helping people it goes to bribing politicians n those countries so yes it is a waste. my mom and dad donate money to a town in Africa and they built a water well with the money my parents sent there. They built a well so they did not have to walk several miles a day for something to drink. I donated 50 dollars to Syrian refugees this past christmass. Im still a racist but helping people out less fortunate than me is a good deed so I do it. there is nothing wrong with compassion however there is something wrong with compassionate American politicians giving their oil buddies in Africa our tax money. That's thievery.

[portusaus]

He makes up random stuff to make himself feel better. He is suffering some sort of reality denial, he thinks he is european and more native to Europe than european alpines. All that "alpignid' bashing is probably just a cover for him to claim to be better than some white people and feel better about his racial insecurities.
He doesn't care if what he says about others is true, he just need the attention and this feeling of being above that he is addicted to.

I'm sick of the Alpinid+Dinaric bashing as well. Most of the time it is people that are not secure with what they are that talk down on European Europid subraces.

[LightHouse89]

India makes fortune from trade and commerce and not begging.India also gives aid to many countries in it's vicinity. Infact about two years ago India gave 10 billion $ to EU.
Most of that 3.2 billion $ comes from Japan for various developmental projects and in return India also gives them contracts worth billion of $.

So aid to India is a form of investment for mutual benefit.

Asia is trying to become developed, nothing wrong with that. If they collapse America will collapse.

[Methusalem]

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Thank you for making so much random stuff up. It is not really astonishing that the triracials with the lowest IQ are unable to differentiate between subtle trolling and honest posts. Funny that you didn't address me but trying to get some resurrection from your beloved resident White Nutzionalists. In this case the swarthy portufaggos.. :laugh:

[LightHouse89]

What about the aid we give to India & Pakistan?

Foreign aid is a waste of time. Much better to do Fair Trade & charities.

most of the government money goes to bribing politicians, bribing terror groups etc...... Its best we do charitable work like invest in a school over there, or in giving the people of a town the money so they can build water wells, fix roads and do stuff themselves that generally makes them far more thankful and they trust us and have more respect for us. They wouldn't be bombing us if we did that nor could they call us assholes in the end. Our governments make it worse by bribing the politicians of their countries.

[Methusalem]

I'm sick of the Alpinid+Dinaric bashing as well. Most of the time it is people that are not secure with what they are that talk down on European Europid subraces.

Alpignids are not an european europid subrace. We Ethiopians have even our fair share of alpignid subhumans. xD

[portusaus]

Alpignids are not an european europid subrace. We Ethiopians have even our fair share of alpignid subhumans. xD

They are primarily situated around central Europe-the Alps, their namesake- they are certainly European. There are a lot of them and they spread far, I'm not surprised that some have made it all the way into Sub-Saharan Africa. They are not 'subhumans', in fact they are among the most intelligent and beautiful of the Earth's races. You are calling them such because your expanding racial awareness is pushing yourself into what you believe to be considered inferiority.

[Methusalem]

They are primarily situated around central Europe-the Alps, their namesake- they are certainly European. There are a lot of them and they spread far, I'm not surprised that some have made it all the way into Sub-Saharan Africa. They are not 'subhumans', in fact they are among the most intelligent and beautiful of the Earth's races. You are calling them such because your expanding racial awareness is pushing yourself into what you believe to be considered inferiority.

Not sure if you are trolling. But face it alpignids are inferior.

[portusaus]

Not sure if you are trolling. But face it alpignids are inferior.

I'm not trolling.

You are talking down on people because you've recently discovered that it is a wide consensus among some circles that you are biologically inferior, and it hurts your feelings. Like a bully in primary school, you feel the need to leech the self-esteem of other races in order to feel normal. Alpinids are fine, and you know this; however you don't believe you are. Accept yourself.

[Also]

Thank you for making so much random stuff up. It is not really astonishing that the triracials with the lowest IQ are unable to differentiate between subtle trolling and honest posts. Funny that you didn't address me but trying to get some resurrection from your beloved resident White Nutzionalists. In this case the swarthy portufaggos.. :laugh:

You should have quoted my message about the "random stuff", but that part about you thinking you are european and more native to Europe than european alpines is too shameful I guess. Being clearly an indefensible ridiculous position.

I can adress anyone I want mr.fliesonface, both trolling and honest posts serve purposes and yours are usually a reflex of your racial insecurities, probably something to do with your race delusions and being black in Germany. I'll give you a tip, really intelligent people don't argue based on intelligence, "oh my IQ this, your IQ that", only retards do that.

Finally, an ethiopian calling someone swarthy or mongrel is like Boy George calling someone a faggot.

[Also]

I'm not trolling.

You are talking down on people because you've recently discovered that it is a wide consensus among some circles that you are biologically inferior, and it hurts your feelings. Like a bully in primary school, you feel the need to leech the self-esteem of other races in order to feel normal. Alpinids are fine, and you know this; however you don't believe you are. Accept yourself.

He plays down people and pretend this all meaningless trolling. :rolleyes:
Obviouslly he has internal issues with what he is supposed to believed and what he wants to believe.

[rhiannon]

Alpignids are not an european europid subrace. We Ethiopians have even our fair share of alpignid subhumans. xD

:picard2:

[Methusalem]

I'm not trolling.

You are.


You are talking down on people because you've recently discovered that it is a wide consensus among some circles that you are biologically inferior, and it hurts your feelings.

The wide consensus on this forum is that alpignids are indeed inferior. You lack the ability to read human interactions hence you fail again with your psychological projection of your own racial inferiority complex.



Like a bully in primary school, you feel the need to leech the self-esteem of other races in order to feel normal. Alpinids are fine, and you know this; however you don't believe you are. Accept yourself,

Hahahah what a wishful cheap attempt to project your own desire onto me. Alpignids my dear subhuman are inferior half pig half human race which is backed up by several scientific researches.

[Methusalem]

You should have quoted my message about the "random stuff", but that part about you thinking you are european and more native to Europe than european alpines is too shameful I guess. Being clearly an indefensible ridiculous position.

Well I am white and European. Why don't you get over it that I am white than you? Why are you so blasphemous?


I can adress anyone I want mr.fliesonface, both trolling and honest posts serve purposes and yours are usually a reflex of your racial insecurities, probably something to do with your race delusions and being black in Germany.

Bitch please Germany is the most political correct country on earth with strict anti-discrimination policy towards minorities HAHAHAH your pseudo-psychoanalytical attempt to project your inferiority complex which stem from your mixed racial brazilian origin are laughable. :laugh:



I'll give you a tip, really intelligent people don't argue based on intelligence, "oh my IQ this, your IQ that", only retards do that.

That's why you are talking the whole day about IQ? Why are you contradicting yourself?


Finally, an ethiopian calling someone swarthy or mongrel is like Boy George calling someone a faggot.

We are white and not mongrels. Sorry to disappoint you.

[Methusalem]

He plays down people and pretend this all meaningless trolling. :rolleyes:
Obviouslly he has internal issues with what he is supposed to believed and what he wants to believe.

Besides you and your 3 or 4 fellow mentally deranged retards everyone gets the 'joke'. It is pretty obvious that the mixed racial inferiority complex is shining through all your posts projecting your triracial racial issues onto humans like me. Discusting.

[portusaus]

The wide consensus on this forum is that alpignids are indeed inferior. You lack the ability to read human interactions hence you fail again with your psychological projection of your own racial inferiority complex.

The whole 'Alpignid subhumanity' thing on this site is a fad, not a seriously held belief. Considering you are likely the most outspoken of the fad-ees, you are giving the phenomena more credit than it deserves. On the other hand, the vast confines of the internet express sincere disdain for Negroids.

[Methusalem]

The whole 'Alpignid subhumanity' thing on this site is a fad, not a seriously held belief. Considering you are likely the most outspoken of the fad-ees, you are giving the phenomena more credit than it deserves. On the other hand, the vast confines of the internet express sincere disdain for Negroids.

The vast majority knows that alpignids are inferior creatures and defends this notion while I am on the other hand not a Negroid. So who can your post make any sense?

[portusaus]

The vast majority knows that alpignids are inferior creatures and defends this notion while I am on the other hand not a Negroid. So who can your post make any sense?

It's a fad that many people go along with. Those that don't usually just keep silent, giving you the false impression that the majority of users agree with the "Alpignid" thing. Alpinids are a continental Euro sub-type, not archaic hominids that are millennia behind.

Unless you have proof I'm going to continue to assume that you are a Negroid/Caucasoid mix; perhaps East African+Yemeni Arab.

[Windischer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0JtySyb3wg

[Methusalem]

It's a fad that many people go along with. Those that don't usually just keep silent, giving you the false impression that the majority of users agree with the "Alpignid" thing. Alpinids are a continental Euro sub-type, not archaic hominids that are millennia behind.

So you speak for the whole forum? Intredasting. Alpignids are inferior which is backed up by all means of scientific research. You must be probably yourself an alpignid in denial trying to defend your inferior race brothers.


Unless you have proof I'm going to continue to assume that you are a Negroid/Caucasoid mix; perhaps East African+Yemeni Arab.

Well Agrippa classified my as progressive-mature caucasoid. Don't hate alpignid dwarf.

Here some classifications:




You look very Arabid bro mostly I say probably Yemeni, Saudi but more likely a Rashidia you look quite a lot like them.




I would say you are a Cushitic Caucasoid.. Ethiopid No Bantu in you whatsoever...




Wow bro, you look similar to an iraqi that i know. Strong caucasoid aethiopid.



Classic aethiopid + dinarid (There are many aethiopid sub-types, I could be mistaking it for another sub-variety) I think, a definitely more northern type. Very, very interesting phenotype if I do say so myself.



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Aethiopid with Semitic/Arabid influence + Taurid. Absolutely no Negroid admixture.



Hey man. You're a nice looking guy.

Hard to say but I will guess: Slightly Dinarized S. Med + Aethiopid + CM.

What do you think?



hee bud :cool: you seem arabid to me quite tall, some taurid influences are in it to.

[GrebluBro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0JtySyb3wg

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[Also]

We are white and not mongrels. Sorry to disappoint you.

http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/4026868+_0342560e0e42e4da2eff197a8086f3a7.jpg


That's why you are talking the whole day about IQ? Why are you contradicting yourself?

The whole day? Quote my posts about me talking about IQ.


Well I am white and European. Why don't you get over it that I am white than you?

Nigga plz. I am a white paulista, you're a horner, a.k.a. black.