Israelites (Palestinians) Starve in Syria. World Does Nothing.

[Anglojew]

On Monday, it was reported that 9 Palestinian Arabs died in the Yarmouk camp in Syria on Sunday - 7 of them from starvation and lack of medicine and the others were killed. One was killed by a sniper while searching for food.

On Tuesday evening, 6 more died, four from starvation, including a four-month old baby girl.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/10-more-palestinian-arabs-die-

http://www.alquds.com/news/article/view/id/485582of.html

[randomguy1235]

The situation is truly dire for both Palestinians and Syrians. It's a nightmare in Jordan.

[Anglojew]

The situation is truly dire for both Palestinians and Syrians. It's a nightmare in Jordan.

Terrible situation.

[Smeagol]

Not Israelites, but still a terrible situation, yes.

[GrebluBro]

Jews should help them since they are like brothers genetically.

[YeshAtid]

Not Israelites, but still a terrible situation, yes.

I don't know why people want to overstate the supposed Israelite heritage of the Palestinians. Most are arabid/ west african mixes, but there are a few such as randomguy who are probably predominantly Israelite.

[Smeagol]

I don't know why people want to overstate the supposed Israelite heritage of the Palestinians. Most are arabid/ west african mixes, but there are a few such as randomguy who are probably predominantly Israelite.

Yeah, that's true.

[Smeagol]

Jews should help them since they are like brothers genetically.

Not really.

[YeshAtid]

Yeah, that's true.

These are from Hebron , and they're arabid/ negroids.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2012/01/palestinians_1887066c.jpg

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I don't know why people want to overstate the supposed Israelite heritage of the Palestinians. Most are arabid/ west african mixes, but there are a few such as randomguy who are probably predominantly Israelite.

If its only a few then what a coincidence that every Palestinian member of the forum displays Israelite phenotype.

[KidMulat]

I don't know why people want to overstate the supposed Israelite heritage of the Palestinians. Most are arabid/ west african mixes, but there are a few such as randomguy who are probably predominantly Israelite.

One could say the same with Mizrahim and Yemenites...

[Smeagol]

If its only a few then what a coincidence that every Palestinian member of the forum displays Israelite phenotype.

There's only like one Palestinian here.

[YeshAtid]

If its only a few then what a coincidence that every Palestinian member of the forum displays Israelite phenotype.

3 members isn't a sufficient sample size. They're probably mischlinge. I never mistake Jews for Palestinians, they're really not that similar.

[Smeagol]

One could say the same with Mizarhim

Nope.


and Yemenites...

Again, no, Yemeni Jews are basically converted Yemenis, and most are just Arabid.

[YeshAtid]

One could say the same with Mizarhim and Yemenites...

They're giyurim though. A Gazan who converts is henceforth native.

[Anglojew]

There's only like one Palestinian here.

There's at least 3; Kamal, Randomguy, Faerie (1/2).

Both Kamal and Randomguy look Israelite, Kamal actually looks Ashkenazi.

[Anglojew]

Jews should help them since they are like brothers genetically.

Yes, we should.

[KidMulat]

Nope.



Again, no, Yemeni Jews are basically converted Yemenis, and most are just Arabid.
Just saying no does not make thems so.

[YeshAtid]

There's at least 3; Kamal, Randomguy, Faerie (1/2).

Both Kamal and Randomguy look Israelite, Kamal actually looks Ashkenazi.

3 out of several million is not a good sample size. Kamal looks Levantine, but he's too alpine to be an AJ. Most Palis aren't natives; they're arabids with West African mixture.

[Smeagol]

There's at least 3; Kamal, Randomguy, Faerie (1/2).

Both Kamal and Randomguy look Israelite, Kamal actually looks Ashkenazi.

Yeah, I could only remember one though. Anyway, I think it's just a coincidence, since most don't look Israelite.

[Smeagol]

Just saying no does not make thems so.

Mizrahi first of all is not one ethnic group, and as for the Yemeni Jews, they're basically All Arabid, and they're converted Yemenis, which is a fact.

[YeshAtid]

Yeah, I could only remember one though. Anyway, I think it's just a coincidence, since most don't look Israelite.

Is he a good representation of the Israelites?
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTc5MzA5OTY2M15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwODMwMjk1._V1_S X214_CR0,0,214,317_.jpg

[Smeagol]

Is he a good representation of the Israelites?
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTc5MzA5OTY2M15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwODMwMjk1._V1_S X214_CR0,0,214,317_.jpg

Can't see the picture.

[KidMulat]

Mizrahi first of all is not one ethnic group, and as for the Yemeni Jews, they're basically All Arabid, and they're converted Yemenis, which is a fact.

Its not one ethnic group duh I know that I am talking about all the groups who have mixed with their neighbors and make up a majority of Israel. They are mixed many Arabid/Berid/Sudanid/Aethiopid and they are Jews.

There are no pure Hebrew People; therefore the claim that Palestians are not really hebrew while modern Jews are is false.

[YeshAtid]

Can't see the picture.

http://i2.listal.com/image/2404920/250full-feed.jpg

[SardiniaAtlantis]

There's only like one Palestinian here.

THere is Random Guy then there is ...... the other guy whose name I forget... FQ and OR.

[StonyArabia]

The Palestinians should move to Oman. If Iraq was not in disintegrated situation, they would never allow this to happen. Palestinians were quite well off in Iraq, and they are well off in Oman. Oman does not mind actually in taking them and making them citizens of their nation. Palestinians though should fight for their own survival.

[Smeagol]

Its not one ethnic group duh I know that I am talking about all the groups who have mixed with their neighbors and make up a majority of Israel. They are mixed many Arabid/Berid/Sudanid/Aethiopid and they are Jews.

Berid, and Sudanid are not present in any mizrahi Jews. If you're talking about Levantine Mizrahis, like Syrian Jews, well they're Eastmediterranid-Arabid-Armenid. Yemeni Jews are almost exclusively Arabid.


There are no pure Hebrew People; therefore the claim that Palestians are not really hebrew while modern Jews are is false.

Jews=Israelites.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

People on interweb forums, who speak english, are usually more "cosmopolitan" than their countrymen.

[Smeagol]

http://i2.listal.com/image/2404920/250full-feed.jpg

Rather Armenid. I don't think he looks Israelite.

[YeshAtid]

Rather Armenid. I don't think he looks Israelite.

But based on PCA plots he probably more closely with them than most Palestinians.

[Smeagol]

But based on PCA plots he probably more closely with them than most Palestinians.

His racial type is foreign to ancient Israelites. Armenids come from the north.

[KidMulat]

Berid, and Sudanid are not present in any mizrahi Jews. If you're talking about Levantine Mizrahis, like Syrian Jews, well they're Eastmediterranid-Arabid-Armenid. Yemeni Jews are almost exclusively Arabid.



Jews=Israelites.

Are you saying the Berber component is not visible or in the genetics of Moroccan Jews? Are you saying that there is no Sudanid L component at all in North African Jewish populations?

Because that is all incorrect.

[randomguy1235]

I don't know why people want to overstate the supposed Israelite heritage of the Palestinians. Most are arabid/ west african mixes, but there are a few such as randomguy who are probably predominantly Israelite.

That's nonsensical bullshit and you know it Barberis.

[YeshAtid]

His racial type is foreign to ancient Israelites. Armenids come from the north.

But I always guessed Israelites clustered with Cypriots, whom in turn are very close with Jews and Sicilians.

[KidMulat]

I mean hello Djerba!

[YeshAtid]

That's nonsensical bullshit and you know it Barberis.

You're a native Israelite, and your parents are too. Be honest though they're atypical for Palestinians.

[randomguy1235]

You're a native Israelite, and your parents are too. Be honest though they're atypical for Palestinians.

They're very typical for Palestinians. You're just fabricating these ludicrous assertions about Palestinian genetics that make no sense...

[Smeagol]

Are you saying the Berber component is not visible or in the genetics of Moroccan Jews?

It sometimes is, but most Moroccan Jews are just Israelites, with very little Berber ancestry. Also, Berids are not present in North Africa, they're only in Iberia.


Are you saying that there is no Sudanid L component at all in North African Jewish populations?

I don't know what haplogroups the North African Jews have, (Haplogroups are only a very very small part of your ancestry anyway) but they have extremely little to no Sudanid influence.

[YeshAtid]

They're very typical for Palestinians. You're just fabricating these ludicrous assertions about Palestinian genetics that make no sense...

They could pass for Azkhenazis and Sicilians, but not Palestinians.

[Smeagol]

But I always guessed Israelites clustered with Cypriots, whom in turn are very close with Jews and Sicilians.

They were mainly Semitic-Mediterranid mixes.

[YeshAtid]

They were mainly Semitic-Mediterranid mixes.

Where would they have clustered?

[Smeagol]

Where would they have clustered?

I don't know.

[StonyArabia]

Where would they have clustered?

Probably Northern Saudi Arabia

[YeshAtid]

Who's more native?
http://www.eappi.org/fileadmin/eappi/images/gallery/Arafat15SSchiel20041111.jpg
http://www.gelmedia.net/Quickstart/ImageLib/eugene_levy.jpg

[KidMulat]

It sometimes is, but most Moroccan Jews are just Israelites, with very little Berber ancestry. Also, Berids are not present in North Africa, they're only in Iberia.



I don't know what haplogroups the North African Jews have, (Haplogroups are only a very very small part of your ancestry anyway) but they have extremely little to no Sudanid influence.

1.7% to 3.6% L mtdna for the three countries although from personal interactions it varies by generation (younger kids are more cosmopolitan) and point of origin because I have honestly seen a couple elderly that were quite brown.

[randomguy1235]

Who's more native?
http://www.eappi.org/fileadmin/eappi/images/gallery/Arafat15SSchiel20041111.jpg
http://www.gelmedia.net/Quickstart/ImageLib/eugene_levy.jpg

Posting an admixed/non-indigenous Gazan does not represent Palestinian phenotypes.

[YeshAtid]

Posting an admixed/non-indigenous Gazan does not represent Palestinian phenotypes.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/image/4244818-3x2-700x467.jpg

[StonyArabia]

Posting an admixed/non-indigenous Gazan does not represent Palestinian phenotypes.

Gazan ancestry is composed of Egyptians and Negev Bedouins. Some of the Negev Bedouins took out a strong Islamist stance due to their displacement in 1948, well others allied with the new state. Negev Bedouins origin is Yemenite and cluster with Yemenites, and they are genetically close to Coptic Egyptians as well.

[Smeagol]

1.7% to 3.6% L mtdna

Irrelevant for racial classification.


because I have honestly seen a couple elderly that were quite brown.

So?

[YeshAtid]

The first guy was from Ramallah actually.

[Smeagol]

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/image/4244818-3x2-700x467.jpg

This guy is actually just a pure Europid, and predominantly Arabid, but too Semitic influenced to be an Israelite, who were about equally mixed between Semitic, and Mediterranid.

[YeshAtid]

This guy is actually just a pure Europid, and predominantly Arabid.

I know, but he's not very Levantine though.

[KidMulat]

Irrelevant for racial classification.



So?

You minced my words; Moroccan Jews are a highly diverse population one can actually divide them up into several independent groups that are just now mixing. That 3.7% can represent several communities.

Also recognize the Djerba community a very old Jewish enclave as having Arab and Berber ancestry; the Berber Jews themselves; those who mixed with the expulsed Shephardic; those who are in between those groups etc... All having at times very different dna compositions. Same with Libya and Tunisia populations

I thinks its best to not say what is or is not irrelevant with such a heterogenous community.