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Vandalsson
01-30-2014, 07:46 AM
I get interesting results on Eurogenes. The distances are less the more mixed my prediction is. But Ancestry DNA says 81 percent British Isles! I am quite certain that they do not differentiate between Saxon and Celtic stock.. Eurogenes on the other hand does. (Also when will K15 be compatible with Ancestry DNA kits? I just noticed that it says not designed for Ancestry DNA..)

Eurogenes K13:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47
2 Baltic 21.72
3 West_Med 18.15
4 West_Asian 4.69
5 East_Med 4.2
6 South_Asian 2.31
7 Amerindian 0.7
8 Red_Sea 0.58
9 Sub-Saharan 0.45
10 East_Asian 0.17
11 Siberian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 5.32
2 Southwest_English 5.56
3 Dutch 6.73
4 German 6.92
5 Orcadian 7.03
6 Irish 7.82
7 Danish 7.82
8 French 7.97
9 West_Scottish 8.09
10 Norwegian 10.82
11 Swedish 12.04
12 Spanish_Cataluna 14.4
13 Southwest_French 14.91
14 Spanish_Cantabria 15.58
15 Spanish_Galicia 15.65
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.66
17 Austrian 15.98
18 Portuguese 16.29
19 North_Swedish 16.98
20 Spanish_Valencia 17.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Dutch + 30.4% Southwest_French @ 1.9
2 86.7% Orcadian + 13.3% Sardinian @ 1.93
3 76.9% German + 23.1% French_Basque @ 1.94
4 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Sardinian @ 1.94
5 70.6% Dutch + 29.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.98
6 59.2% Norwegian + 40.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.02
7 85.4% Danish + 14.6% Sardinian @ 2.04
8 66.2% Danish + 33.8% Southwest_French @ 2.08
9 73.5% Dutch + 26.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.09
10 62.6% Norwegian + 37.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.23
11 61.7% Norwegian + 38.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.27
12 58.2% Norwegian + 41.8% Southwest_French @ 2.3
13 69% Orcadian + 31% Southwest_French @ 2.37
14 73% Dutch + 27% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.37
15 67.5% Danish + 32.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.48
16 85.1% West_Scottish + 14.9% Sardinian @ 2.49
17 70.1% Orcadian + 29.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.5
18 66.5% Irish + 33.5% Southwest_French @ 2.52
19 64.4% Norwegian + 35.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.55
20 70.2% Orcadian + 29.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.57




Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 5.634
2 Southwest_English @ 5.848
3 Dutch @ 7.507
4 Orcadian @ 7.616
5 German @ 8.024
6 Danish @ 8.537
7 Irish @ 8.574
8 West_Scottish @ 8.825
9 French @ 9.876
10 Norwegian @ 11.962
179 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% Southwest_French @ 3.840
2 50% Southwest_French +50% Swedish @ 4.097
3 50% Norwegian +50% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.187
4 50% French +50% Irish @ 4.194
5 50% French +50% Orcadian @ 4.230
6 50% French +50% Southwest_English @ 4.266
7 50% French +50% West_Scottish @ 4.315
8 50% Norwegian +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.387
9 50% Spanish_Cantabria +50% Swedish @ 4.437
10 50% Danish +50% French @ 4.699
16110 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German +25% French_Basque +25% Norwegian @ 1.895
2 50% Danish +25% Austrian +25% French_Basque @ 1.950
3 50% Irish +25% Austrian +25% French_Basque @ 2.065
4 50% German +25% Dutch +25% French_Basque @ 2.076
5 50% German +25% French_Basque +25% Swedish @ 2.083
6 50% Orcadian +25% Austrian +25% French_Basque @ 2.147
7 50% Irish +25% French_Basque +25% Hungarian @ 2.161
8 50% Danish +25% French_Basque +25% Hungarian @ 2.161
9 50% Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_French @ 2.184
10 50% West_Scottish +25% French_Basque +25% Hungarian @ 2.191
414812 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Austrian + Danish + French_Basque + Irish @ 1.847
2 French_Basque + German + German + Norwegian @ 1.895
3 Austrian + Danish + French_Basque + West_Scottish @ 1.905
4 Austrian + French_Basque + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 1.944
5 Austrian + Danish + Danish + French_Basque @ 1.950
6 Austrian + French_Basque + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 1.967
7 Austrian + Danish + French_Basque + Orcadian @ 1.984
8 Danish + French_Basque + Hungarian + West_Scottish @ 2.009
9 Danish + French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish @ 2.013
10 Austrian + French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian @ 2.023
11 Austrian + French_Basque + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.048
12 Austrian + French_Basque + Irish + Irish @ 2.065
13 Dutch + French_Basque + German + German @ 2.076
14 Austrian + French_Basque + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.081
15 French_Basque + German + German + Swedish @ 2.083
16 Austrian + French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.102
17 Austrian + Dutch + French_Basque + West_Scottish @ 2.122
18 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.143
19 Austrian + French_Basque + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.147
20 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + Irish @ 2.161

Anglojew
01-30-2014, 07:55 AM
The Basque results are interesting. You're very NW European.

Vandalsson
01-30-2014, 07:58 AM
The Basque results are interesting. You're very NW European.

No doubt comes from my mother's side. My father's side is very "Nordic" phenotype. My mother's side on HER mother's side is where I get the Basque-type DNA. I am quite certain that her family is predominantly West Brit derived.

Sikeliot
01-30-2014, 08:03 AM
Take note, people! He is NW European and is quite genetically close to Iberians. Those of you who say Iberians are not genetically close to other West Europeans are clearly incorrect.

Nice results :)

Vandalsson
01-30-2014, 08:13 AM
Take note, people! He is NW European and is quite genetically close to Iberians. Those of you who say Iberians are not genetically close to other West Europeans are clearly incorrect.

Nice results :)

Thanks! Ancestry DNA decided to throw in Italian/Greek rather than Iberian but I imagine that DNA so ancient is not so easily categorized. Eurogenes is far more capable of labeling ancient DNA. Physically I favor bother sides of my family:

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Anglojew
01-30-2014, 08:13 AM
No doubt comes from my mother's side. My father's side is very "Nordic" phenotype. My mother's side on HER mother's side is where I get the Basque-type DNA. I am quite certain that her family is predominantly West Brit derived.

I would say some "pre-Celtic" Neolithic-type elements in the British Isles are similar to Basque.

Anglojew
01-30-2014, 08:14 AM
Thanks! Ancestry DNA decided to throw in Italian/Greek rather than Iberian but I imagine that DNA so ancient is not so easily categorized. Eurogenes is far more capable of labeling ancient DNA. Physically I favor bother sides of my family:

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In that photo you resemble Emile Hirsch.

Mortimer
01-30-2014, 08:18 AM
looks like as if you are british/UK

Vandalsson
01-30-2014, 08:19 AM
looks like as if you are british/UK

Predominantly I am! I have a few German lines and one Scottish line in my family tree on my father's side but the rest is derived from England.

WOOHP
01-30-2014, 11:42 PM
Brits score less Med and more North Atlantid/Baltic.

That's why you're closer to French than to Swedes/Norwegians(nevermind the Danish sample, not accurate imo).

Jackson
01-30-2014, 11:53 PM
I get interesting results on Eurogenes. The distances are less the more mixed my prediction is. But Ancestry DNA says 81 percent British Isles! I am quite certain that they do not differentiate between Saxon and Celtic stock.. Eurogenes on the other hand does. (Also when will K15 be compatible with Ancestry DNA kits? I just noticed that it says not designed for Ancestry DNA..)

Eurogenes K13:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47
2 Baltic 21.72
3 West_Med 18.15
4 West_Asian 4.69
5 East_Med 4.2
6 South_Asian 2.31
7 Amerindian 0.7
8 Red_Sea 0.58
9 Sub-Saharan 0.45
10 East_Asian 0.17
11 Siberian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 5.32
2 Southwest_English 5.56
3 Dutch 6.73
4 German 6.92
5 Orcadian 7.03
6 Irish 7.82
7 Danish 7.82
8 French 7.97
9 West_Scottish 8.09
10 Norwegian 10.82
11 Swedish 12.04
12 Spanish_Cataluna 14.4
13 Southwest_French 14.91
14 Spanish_Cantabria 15.58
15 Spanish_Galicia 15.65
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.66
17 Austrian 15.98
18 Portuguese 16.29
19 North_Swedish 16.98
20 Spanish_Valencia 17.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Dutch + 30.4% Southwest_French @ 1.9
2 86.7% Orcadian + 13.3% Sardinian @ 1.93
3 76.9% German + 23.1% French_Basque @ 1.94
4 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Sardinian @ 1.94
5 70.6% Dutch + 29.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.98
6 59.2% Norwegian + 40.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.02
7 85.4% Danish + 14.6% Sardinian @ 2.04
8 66.2% Danish + 33.8% Southwest_French @ 2.08
9 73.5% Dutch + 26.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.09
10 62.6% Norwegian + 37.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.23
11 61.7% Norwegian + 38.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.27
12 58.2% Norwegian + 41.8% Southwest_French @ 2.3
13 69% Orcadian + 31% Southwest_French @ 2.37
14 73% Dutch + 27% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.37
15 67.5% Danish + 32.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.48
16 85.1% West_Scottish + 14.9% Sardinian @ 2.49
17 70.1% Orcadian + 29.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.5
18 66.5% Irish + 33.5% Southwest_French @ 2.52
19 64.4% Norwegian + 35.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.55
20 70.2% Orcadian + 29.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.57




Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 5.634
2 Southwest_English @ 5.848
3 Dutch @ 7.507
4 Orcadian @ 7.616
5 German @ 8.024
6 Danish @ 8.537
7 Irish @ 8.574
8 West_Scottish @ 8.825
9 French @ 9.876
10 Norwegian @ 11.962
179 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% Southwest_French @ 3.840
2 50% Southwest_French +50% Swedish @ 4.097
3 50% Norwegian +50% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.187
4 50% French +50% Irish @ 4.194
5 50% French +50% Orcadian @ 4.230
6 50% French +50% Southwest_English @ 4.266
7 50% French +50% West_Scottish @ 4.315
8 50% Norwegian +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.387
9 50% Spanish_Cantabria +50% Swedish @ 4.437
10 50% Danish +50% French @ 4.699
16110 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German +25% French_Basque +25% Norwegian @ 1.895
2 50% Danish +25% Austrian +25% French_Basque @ 1.950
3 50% Irish +25% Austrian +25% French_Basque @ 2.065
4 50% German +25% Dutch +25% French_Basque @ 2.076
5 50% German +25% French_Basque +25% Swedish @ 2.083
6 50% Orcadian +25% Austrian +25% French_Basque @ 2.147
7 50% Irish +25% French_Basque +25% Hungarian @ 2.161
8 50% Danish +25% French_Basque +25% Hungarian @ 2.161
9 50% Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_French @ 2.184
10 50% West_Scottish +25% French_Basque +25% Hungarian @ 2.191
414812 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Austrian + Danish + French_Basque + Irish @ 1.847
2 French_Basque + German + German + Norwegian @ 1.895
3 Austrian + Danish + French_Basque + West_Scottish @ 1.905
4 Austrian + French_Basque + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 1.944
5 Austrian + Danish + Danish + French_Basque @ 1.950
6 Austrian + French_Basque + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 1.967
7 Austrian + Danish + French_Basque + Orcadian @ 1.984
8 Danish + French_Basque + Hungarian + West_Scottish @ 2.009
9 Danish + French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish @ 2.013
10 Austrian + French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian @ 2.023
11 Austrian + French_Basque + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.048
12 Austrian + French_Basque + Irish + Irish @ 2.065
13 Dutch + French_Basque + German + German @ 2.076
14 Austrian + French_Basque + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.081
15 French_Basque + German + German + Swedish @ 2.083
16 Austrian + French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.102
17 Austrian + Dutch + French_Basque + West_Scottish @ 2.122
18 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.143
19 Austrian + French_Basque + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.147
20 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + Irish @ 2.161

Yeah basically you look like far southern British, high western Mediterranean at the expense of north Atlantic and Baltic. I'd guess your German ancestry is from southern or western Germany? Either that or your English ancestry is just more southern/southwestern than average.

Jackson
01-30-2014, 11:54 PM
Take note, people! He is NW European and is quite genetically close to Iberians. Those of you who say Iberians are not genetically close to other West Europeans are clearly incorrect.

Nice results :)

Yeah NW Europe is basically halfway between SW and NE Europe genetically it seems to me.

Jackson
01-31-2014, 12:02 AM
Out of my family you are closest to my aunt. Her ancestry is 9/16 south/south-east English, 4/8 north-east English, 2/8 southern Welsh, 1/8 southern Scottish. I guess that's handy for a comparison?
I think she's just shifted a bit to the east, but otherwise her results are pretty similar, even down to the West Med and South Asian. She even has the same German + Basque mix:

45.59% North_Atlantic
23.25% Baltic
16.53% West_Med
6.10% West_Asian
4.73% East_Med
0% Red_Sea
2.12% South_Asian
0% East_Asian
0.15% Siberian
0.95% Amerindian
0.46% Oceanian
0% Northeast_African
0.12% Sub-Saharan

1 German 4.57
2 Southeast_English 5.17
3 Dutch 5.37
4 Southwest_English 6.36
5 Orcadian 6.67
6 Danish 7.21
7 Irish 7.56
8 West_Scottish 8.13
9 French 8.5
10 Norwegian 9.51
11 Swedish 10.47
12 Austrian 13.75
13 Hungarian 15.02
14 North_Swedish 15.18
15 Spanish_Cataluna 15.62
16 Southwest_French 16.63
17 Spanish_Galicia 16.86
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.99
19 Spanish_Cantabria 17.22
20 Portuguese 17.28

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.4% German + 14.6% French_Basque @ 1.82
2 90% Dutch + 10% Sardinian @ 1.95
3 80.4% Dutch + 19.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.1
4 68.6% Norwegian + 31.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.2
5 76.1% Dutch + 23.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.26
6 79% Dutch + 21% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.27
7 80.7% German + 19.3% Southwest_French @ 2.31
8 77.9% Dutch + 22.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.35
9 79.3% Dutch + 20.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.36
10 79.6% Dutch + 20.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.39
11 77.4% Dutch + 22.6% Southwest_French @ 2.41
12 79% Southwest_English + 21% Romanian @ 2.42
13 62.7% Norwegian + 37.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.43
14 77.8% Dutch + 22.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.46
15 81.1% Southwest_English + 18.9% Bulgarian @ 2.48
16 82.2% Dutch + 17.8% North_Italian @ 2.5
17 78.3% Dutch + 21.7% Portuguese @ 2.5
18 76.7% Southwest_English + 23.3% Serbian @ 2.51
19 63.1% Dutch + 36.9% French @ 2.52
20 66.5% Swedish + 33.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.52

Vandalsson
02-03-2014, 06:00 AM
Yeah basically you look like far southern British, high western Mediterranean at the expense of north Atlantic and Baltic. I'd guess your German ancestry is from southern or western Germany? Either that or your English ancestry is just more southern/southwestern than average.

My German ancestry comes from northern Germany and Prussia actually. I believe that only one of the four German lines in my family comes from Western Germany. I am honestly not sure how much Anglo-Saxon I inherited to be honest. I just know that I took largely after my mother on a DNA level but the funny thing is that I resemble my father a lot except for my smaller physical build and short height. I am only 5'7". My mother's brothers are both about my height. But both of -my- brothers are taller than I am.

Vandalsson
02-03-2014, 06:02 AM
Out of my family you are closest to my aunt. Her ancestry is 9/16 south/south-east English, 4/8 north-east English, 2/8 southern Welsh, 1/8 southern Scottish. I guess that's handy for a comparison?
I think she's just shifted a bit to the east, but otherwise her results are pretty similar, even down to the West Med and South Asian. She even has the same German + Basque mix:

45.59% North_Atlantic
23.25% Baltic
16.53% West_Med
6.10% West_Asian
4.73% East_Med
0% Red_Sea
2.12% South_Asian
0% East_Asian
0.15% Siberian
0.95% Amerindian
0.46% Oceanian
0% Northeast_African
0.12% Sub-Saharan

1 German 4.57
2 Southeast_English 5.17
3 Dutch 5.37
4 Southwest_English 6.36
5 Orcadian 6.67
6 Danish 7.21
7 Irish 7.56
8 West_Scottish 8.13
9 French 8.5
10 Norwegian 9.51
11 Swedish 10.47
12 Austrian 13.75
13 Hungarian 15.02
14 North_Swedish 15.18
15 Spanish_Cataluna 15.62
16 Southwest_French 16.63
17 Spanish_Galicia 16.86
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.99
19 Spanish_Cantabria 17.22
20 Portuguese 17.28

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.4% German + 14.6% French_Basque @ 1.82
2 90% Dutch + 10% Sardinian @ 1.95
3 80.4% Dutch + 19.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.1
4 68.6% Norwegian + 31.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.2
5 76.1% Dutch + 23.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.26
6 79% Dutch + 21% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.27
7 80.7% German + 19.3% Southwest_French @ 2.31
8 77.9% Dutch + 22.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.35
9 79.3% Dutch + 20.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.36
10 79.6% Dutch + 20.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.39
11 77.4% Dutch + 22.6% Southwest_French @ 2.41
12 79% Southwest_English + 21% Romanian @ 2.42
13 62.7% Norwegian + 37.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.43
14 77.8% Dutch + 22.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.46
15 81.1% Southwest_English + 18.9% Bulgarian @ 2.48
16 82.2% Dutch + 17.8% North_Italian @ 2.5
17 78.3% Dutch + 21.7% Portuguese @ 2.5
18 76.7% Southwest_English + 23.3% Serbian @ 2.51
19 63.1% Dutch + 36.9% French @ 2.52
20 66.5% Swedish + 33.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.52

Sounds a lot like my ancestry to be honest except that I also have German lines. But telling the Saxon from the German would be nearly impossible since most of my German ancestry is northern. Large overlap there if I understand correctly.

Vandalsson
02-03-2014, 06:34 AM
Ancestry DNA results:

Great Britain: 81%
Ireland: 6%
Scandinavia: 5%

Trace Regions:
Italy/Greece: 6%
Europe West: 1%
Europe East: < 1%
Africa North: 1%


Also here is the K36 in case anyone is curious:

Population
Amerindian 0.06%
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 2.11%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.25%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.26%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.85%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 2.60%
Fennoscandian 10.44%
French 5.20%
Iberian 16.15%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.39%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 0.87%
North_Atlantic 14.74%
North_Caucasian 0.29%
North_Sea 14.09%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.10%
South_Central_Asian 0.55%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 3.07%