Eurogenes: How Much European?

[Graham]

Right lets get this done and see who comes top. Something for you bored folk. Might do Dodecad etc.. also.

Before anyone says, East med is strongest in Lebanese, Palestinian, Syrian etc.. than Europe. Not sure on Volga-Ural or Caucasus. Not enough knowledge. Anyone can correct if I'm wrong. We can change it.

EurogenesK13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 89.38%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 95.86%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 87.42%
K9(N Euro + Med) 94.69%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 94.61%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 86.04%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 88.10%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 93.02%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 100%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 91.59%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 91.89%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 94.11%
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AVERAGE -- 92.23%


Post your average and we'll get a table up. :)

[Stanley]

EurogenesK13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 87.47%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 92.68%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 85.80%
K9(N Euro + Med) 91.72%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 91.74%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 83.49%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 85.45%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 90.17%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med)94.87%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 88.86%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 91.25%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 93.70%
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AVERAGE -- 89.77%

[Armatus]

K13: 81.55
K15: 86.06
K9b: 89.18
K9: 87.43
K10: 87.64
K11: 80.37
K12: 82.50
K12b: 85.96
K36: 96.37
HGvF: 84.77
JT: 81.88
EU: 85.28

Average: 85.75

Caucasus and Volga-Ural would add a decent amount on my results.

[Gaston]

Mediterranean isn't really European though.

[Stanley]

Mediterranean isn't really European though.

I think Graham's going by whether a component peaks in modern European populations as the criterion for it being 'European'.

[Graham]

Ya, can you show me what peaks in Med? :) I dont know. I'm just using anything that would peak in as a European nation.

I mean North European cant just be European. West Med is Neolithic, close to Otzi.


Caucasus and Volga-Ural would add a decent amount on my results.

Same, I'd be closer to 100.

[Thrax]

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 53.41%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 56.3%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 79.88%
K9(N Euro + Med) 61.57%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 62.69%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 60.64%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 62.04%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 62.66%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 62.44%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 59.57%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 53.22%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 55.77%
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AVERAGE -- 60.85%

[Graham]

Med is Sardinia, it stays in. Being the most Neolithic.

K9
South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - Eastern China
West African - Nigeria
North European - Lithuania


K10
South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - Eastern China
West African - Nigeria
East European - Belarus
North Atlantic - Ireland


K11
South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - Eastern China
West African - Nigeria
Volga-Ural - Western Volga
South Baltic - Lithuania
North Atlantic - Ireland


K12
South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - Eastern China
West African - Nigeria
Volga-Ural - Western Volga
South Baltic - Lithuania
Western European - Western Ireland
North Sea - Southern Norway


K12b
Western European - Cornwall
Siberian - Central Siberia
East African - Masaai
West Central Asian - Balochistan
South Asian - South India
West African - Nigeria
Caucasus - Georgia
Finnish - Eastern Finland
Mediterranean - Sardinia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North European - Lithuania
East Asian - Eastern China


K13
North European - Lithuania
West African - Nigeria
Mediterranean - Sardinia
Northeast African - Ethiopia Oromo
North Eurasian - Central Siberia
South Asian - South India
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
Pygmy - Mbuti Pygmy
Caucasus - Georgia
East Siberian - Koryaks
East Asian - Eastern China
Amerindian - South America
West Central Asian - Balochistan


Hunter-Gatherer vs. Farmer (Gedmatch edition)
Anatolian Farmer - Western Caucasus
Baltic Hunter Gatherer - Lithuania
Middle Eastern Herder - Bedouin
East Asian Farmer - Eastern China
South American Hunter Gatherer - South America
South Asian Hunter Gatherer - South India
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - Central Siberia
East African Pastoralist - Masaai
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer - Papua New Guinea
Mediterranean Farmer - Sardinia
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - Mbuti Pygmy
Bantu Farmer - West Africa

[Sehnsucht]

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Eurogenes
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K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 85.55%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 91.19%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 85.29%
K9(N Euro + Med) 90.84%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 90.82%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 82.89%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 85.16%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 88.59%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 95.8%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 87.74%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 88.77%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 90.11%
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AVERAGE -- 88.56%

[Graham]

Does anyone know what West Volga is? Is it European?

European
92.23% Graham
89.77% Stanley
88.56% Herr Hesselink
85.75% Armatus
60.85% paschalisb

[Sea Warrior]

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 86.49%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 91.68%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 88.18%
K9(N Euro + Med) 91.93%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 91.83%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 84.42%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 86.39%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 89.92%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 98.67%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 88.96%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 89.14%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 90.91%

Average: 89.91%

[Patches]

Eurogenes
K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 85.65%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 91.66%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 85.33%
K9(N Euro + Med) 90.75%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 90.8%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 82.28%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 84.35%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 88.97%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 97.05%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 87.97%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 87.76%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 89.72%

AVERAGE -- 88.52%

[Rochefaton]

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 88.08
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 93.69%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 86.08%
K9(N Euro + Med) 92.35%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 92.38%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 83.71%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 85.88%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 90.80%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 98.38%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 89.18%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 91.97%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 93.01%
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AVERAGE -- 90.45%

[Damião de Góis]

It will take forever to run and sum all these things. I think mine should be around 75% judging from K13.

[Graham]

It will take forever to run and sum all these things. I think mine should be around 75% judging from K13.

Well I keep my results. :) Parents might be somewhere.

It was to get folk to keep interested in this stuff. Because it has been quiet.

[Graham]

European
92.23% Graham
90.45% Rochefaton
89.91% Sea Warrior
89.77% Stanley
88.56% Herr Hesselink
88.52% Patches
85.75% Armatus
60.85% paschalisb

[Damião de Góis]

Well I keep my results. :) Parents might be somewhere.

It was to get folk to keep interested in this stuff. Because it has been quiet.

On your previous thread i ran the whole thing again. It took some time, especially K36. Now it has even more runs, i'll do it another day... maybe middle of the week :p

[Sehnsucht]

Now my mom:


K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 81.75%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 87.42%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 85.21%
K9(N Euro + Med) 86.95%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 87.12%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 79.69%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 82.02%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 85.1%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 92.25%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 83.76%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 84.92%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 86.6%%
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AVERAGE -- 85.23%

Once again, my mom is falling way behind me, for some reason.

[Sehnsucht]

Here is my aunt (mother's sister)

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 81.55%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 86.78%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 84.38%
K9(N Euro + Med) 85.98%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 86.05%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 79.36%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 81.82%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 84.34%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 92.66%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 83.19%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 84.53%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 85.08%
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AVERAGE -- 84.64%

Interestingly, she consistently averages less than my mom, which I find to be surprising since she is more German looking than my mom is.

[Sehnsucht]

And lastly, my maternal grandmother

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 83.13%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 88.42%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 84.63%
K9(N Euro + Med) 87.53%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 87.45%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 80.38%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 82.52%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 85.65%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 92.76%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 84.79%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 86%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 86%
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AVERAGE -- 85.77%

Not as low as my mother and aunt, but still on the low side compared to some of the other members such as myself.

[Mazik]

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 85.27%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 92.94%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 80.92%
K9(N Euro + Med) 90.06%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 90.17%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 76.44%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 78.72%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 89.75%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 95.06%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 87.76%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 90.74%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 91.64%
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AVERAGE -- 87,46%

[gold_fenix]

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 92,62
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 93,18
K9b(N Euro + Med) 90,75
K9(N Euro + Med) 85,14
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 85,44
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 82,55
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 83,25
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 85,11
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 93,27
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 83,25
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 88,72
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 94.05


AVERAGE 87,47820814

[Mazik]

My grandpa's:

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 85.12%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 90.51%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 78.91%
K9(N Euro + Med) 88.5%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 88.53%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 73.95%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 76.13%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 88.51%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 89.91%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 86.22%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 91.17%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 92.29%
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AVERAGE -- 85,81%

[sgc2009]

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 86.49%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 92.53%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 83.39%
K9(N Euro + Med) 90.67%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 90.7%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 78.99%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 81.37%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 90.87%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 95.7%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 88.66%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 90.9%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 93.08%

AVERAGE -- 88.6125%



Maternal grandmother:

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 89.87%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 96.12%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 87.64%
K9(N Euro + Med) 94.96%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 94.94%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 85.09%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 87.45%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 93.54%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 98.12%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 92.33%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 95.08%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 96.12%

AVERAGE -- 92.605%

[MfA_]

Volga-Ural is a European component.. Geographically speaking Volga is considered the longest river in Europe not to mention this component peaks in Western Volga unlike Eastern Volga which one may argue whether it lays in Asia or Europe.

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/2070/k12weclusters.png


It's pretty easy to see what's going on there. The four North European clusters are positioned close together on the left of the plot. However, the Western European and North Sea clusters both show significant affinity to the Mediterranean cluster, by pulling towards its direction.

Note also that the Mediterranean and Caucasus clusters are placed about half way between the South Baltic and Southwest Asian clusters across dimension one. This is in line with geography, because the Mediterranean Basin and Caucasus Mountains are located between Northern Europe and the Middle East.

However, the Mediterranean and Caucasus clusters are sharply differentiated across dimension two. This also fits geography, because there's obviously a huge distance between the populations of the Western Mediterranean (in which the Mediterranean cluster peaks) and the Caucasus.

[Graham]

It seems to peak in Chuvash highly. Are they a considered European people. i'll add if so. Would say more Eurasian. Inbetweeny like East Med.

Volga-Ural
Chuvash 0.766
Chuvash 0.742
Chuvash 0.728
Chuvash 0.722
Chuvash 0.714
Chuvash 0.706
Chuvash 0.703
Chuvash 0.695
Chuvash 0.685
Chuvash 0.68
Chuvash 0.645
Chuvash 0.636
Chuvash 0.627
Chuvash 0.626
Chuvash 0.62
Chuvash 0.619
Komi 0.394
Finnish 0.349
Vologda_Russian 0.349
Vologda_Russian 0.297
Russian 0.286
Russian 0.285
Vologda_Russian 0.282
Russian 0.28
Vologda_Russian 0.274
Vologda_Russian 0.272
Vologda_Russian 0.27
Finnish 0.264
Russian 0.261
Vologda_Russian 0.259
Russian 0.257
Vologda_Russian 0.255
Vologda_Russian 0.252
Finnish 0.251
Finnish 0.25
RUUA3 0.249
Russian 0.249
Finnish 0.248
Mordvinian 0.24
Vologda_Russian 0.238
Mordvinian 0.235
Russian 0.235
Russian 0.234
FSE2 0.233
Finnish 0.229
Finnish 0.226
Finnish 0.224
Vologda_Russian 0.224
FIDE1 0.22
Vologda_Russian 0.22

[DanielJ1eH]

*If East Med would've been included like it should've, my average would've been higher. I also got a fair bit of Caucasus on every calculator.*

Eurogenes

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 68.33%

K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 72.26%

K9b(N Euro + Med) 86.56%

K9(N Euro + Med) 75.28%

K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 75.78%

K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 70.33%

K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 71.88%

K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 75.03%

K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 76.39%

Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 72.96%

JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 66.67%

EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 69.9%

AVERAGE -- 73.4475%

[Graham]

Give me a good reason why East Med, should be included? It's Eurasian at most.

East Med is Jewish, Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian.

EAST MED

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3828/sxq0.png

[Gaston]

East Med is clearly not European. However, I wouldn't call it Eurasian because Volga-Ural is more shifted towards East Eurasia while East-Med is not..

[Graham]

To be fair. There would be some old Neolithic elements in there somewhere. West Med tends to take most of that.

[Longbowman]

Right lets get this done and see who comes top. Something for you bored folk. Might do Dodecad etc.. also.

Before anyone says, East med is strongest in Lebanese, Palestinian, Syrian etc.. than Europe. Not sure on Volga-Ural or Caucasus. Not enough knowledge. Anyone can correct if I'm wrong. We can change it.

EurogenesK13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 89.38%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 95.86%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 87.42%
K9(N Euro + Med) 94.69%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 94.61%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 86.04%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 88.10%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 93.02%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 100%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 91.59%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 91.89%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 94.11%
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AVERAGE -- 92.23%


Post your average and we'll get a table up. :)

I like these threads of yours Graham. If there were a way to subscribe to a person's threads, I would.

East Med = non European? Hm. You will note a vast disparity in my results then. Anyway, here are mine:


EurogenesK13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 42.87%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 46.26%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 79.37%
K9(N Euro + Med) 51.90%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 52.83%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 52.31%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 53.26%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 53.93%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med)52.13%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 50.01%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 34.21% (impacted by significant AJ I would guess)
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 48.78%
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AVERAGE -- 51.48%

[sonofthedutch]

k13 86%
k15 90.6%
K9 92.19%
k10 92.1%
K11 91.37%
k12 87.1%
k36 98%
HG 89.71%
EU 90.63%

Avg 90.85%

[Graham]

If you want someone could start a West Eurasian one. To include E med, Cauc and Volga etc.. Leave out African, South :) Asian etc..

Because things like East med is both European and Middle Eastern. So people lose out on percentage.

[Longbowman]

If you want someone could start a West Eurasian one. To include E med, Cauc and Volga etc.. Leave out African, South :) Asian etc..

A 'Caucasoid' one - I'd probably score about 97%.

I would say Volga counts as Asiatic for those purposes, but South Asian counts as Caucasoid (completely unbiased opinion, I never score more than 0.35% for either of them, and usually none, particularly for South Asian).

[Sehnsucht]

And now, my paternal grandfather


K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 86.6%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 91.74%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 84.98%
K9(N Euro + Med) 92.66%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 92.78%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 84.73%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 86.68%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 91.22%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 98.36%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 90.09%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 90.14%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 91.56%
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AVERAGE -- 90.13%


He is by far the leader in total % European in my group, but what's with the excessive South Asian continuously showing up on the calculators?

[Thor2009]

Thor2009's Eurogenes Results

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 88.06%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 94.45%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 88.88%
K9(N Euro + Med) 92.42%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 92.47%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 82.63%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 84.70%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 90.89%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 98.63%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 89.73%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 91.03%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 92.68%
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AVERAGE -- 90.55%

[Sehnsucht]

My maternal uncle


K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 83.6%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 85.26%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 84.98%
K9(N Euro + Med) 89.7%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 89.84%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 81.31%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 83.48%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 88.18%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 95.55%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 86.91%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 87.1%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 87.62%
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AVERAGE -- 87.32%

[Atlantic Islander]

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 75.11%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 78.64%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 88.37%
K9(N Euro + Med) 81.16%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 81.42%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 78.33%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 79.58%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 80.7%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 84.62%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 78.99%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 76.36%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 78.17%
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AVERAGE -- 80.12%

[Mark]

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med) 44.31%
K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med) 48.32%
K9b(N Euro + Med) 81.74%
K9(N Euro + Med) 52.66%
K10(N Atlantic, E Euro, Med) 53.49%
K11(N Atlantic, S Baltic, Med) 51.23%
K12(W Euro, N Sea, S Baltic, Med) 52.48%
K12b(W Euro, Fin, Med, N euro) 54.22%
K36(Basque, C Euro, E Balkan, EC Euro, E Euro, FennoSca, French, Iberian, Italian, N Atl, N Sea, W Med) 51.18%
Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer(Baltic Hunter Gatherer, Mediterranean Farmer) 50.58%
JTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 50.06%
EUTest(S Baltic, E Euro, NC Euro, Atlantic, W Med) 46.28%
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AVERAGE - 53.05%

[Fire Haired]

If you want someone could start a West Eurasian one. To include E med, Cauc and Volga etc.. Leave out African, South :) Asian etc..

Because things like East med is both European and Middle Eastern. So people lose out on percentage.

This only makes sense if you mean modern European. I bet it is very difficult to find how much modern European ancestry you have because if your for example mixed Polish and Italian, the Italian ancestry may be confused as part south-west European and part south-west Asian. If you define Europe by is earliest inhabitants(known so far) only north-east Europeans and maybe some other northern Europeans would score over 50%. All Europeans are over 40% something that's not European, and almost all of it is middle eastern. European is similar to Latino, all Europeans and latino's have similar but not always the same ancestors. Stuttgart-like ancestors of Russians and Stuttgart-like ancestors of Spanish probably trace back to common ancestors in Greece or the near east. Loschbour like ancestors of Russians and Loschbour like ancestors of Spainish may have common ancestors as far back as the Upper Palaeolithic.

[Fire Haired]

My uncle who tested with Geno 2.0(much less SNP's).

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med): 73.55%

K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med): 77.23%

Average: 75.39%

My 23andme results should be in within a month or maybe a few weeks more than a month. It looks like my uncle is 25% Latino(mainly Spanish, and most like Puerto Rican), it could be fake it could be real and my results will probably reveal it. My other 50% is simply a Norwegian+German+British mix(that's what i though my uncle was).

[Argang]

My uncle who tested with Geno 2.0(much less SNP's).

K13(N Atlantic, Baltic, W Med): 73.55%

K15(N Sea, Atlantic, Baltic, E Euro, W Med): 77.23%

Average: 75.39%

My 23andme results should be in within a month or maybe a few weeks more than a month. It looks like my uncle is 25% Latino(mainly Spanish, and most like Puerto Rican), it could be fake it could be real and my results will probably reveal it. My other 50% is simply a Norwegian+German+British mix(that's what i though my uncle was).

So you ordered already? They could take even eight weeks to process the sample.

The Ancestry Composition is somewhat capable of separating Scandinavian, British Isles and German from each other, but much better at telling various South European types apart.

[gold_fenix]

When Ubersmench made the test were only 2 weeks

[Fire Haired]

So you ordered already? They could take even eight weeks to process the sample.

The Ancestry Composition is somewhat capable of separating Scandinavian, British Isles and German from each other, but much better at telling various South European types apart.

Yes I ordered yesterday. I have read that 23andme takes around 3-4weeks unlike most companies who take 8-10weeks. If i am part Latino i will find out.

[Atlantic Islander]

Is Volga-Ural basically the same as the Samoedic on MDLP?

[Argang]

Is Volga-Ural basically the same as the Samoedic on MDLP?

MDLP Samoyedic is a Ket modal, so it's by far more Siberian than Volga-Ural.

[Atlantic Islander]

MDLP Samoyedic is a Ket modal, so it's by far more Siberian than Volga-Ural.

Ah, okay. Thanks.

[paksaltopam]

Yes I ordered yesterday. I have read that 23andme takes around 3-4weeks unlike most companies who take 8-10weeks. If i am part Latino i will find out.
23andme and ftDNA both took 2-3 months. AncestryDNA took a like 4 weeks at most.

[Fire Haired]

23andme and ftDNA both took 2-3 months. AncestryDNA took a like 4 weeks at most.

whatever, i am in a better situation than i would be if i never ordered 23andme.

[Atlantic Islander]

whatever, i am in a better situation than i would be if i never ordered 23andme.

I got mine in two weeks.