Do Alpinids have square face?

[SilverFish]

Just wondering if they do, because my grandpa has a square face but his head is reduced. I'm not sure if he is an Alpinid type or a Reduced Bruenn type.

Can anyone give me the differences between the two?

[Agrippa]

Just wondering if they do, because my grandpa has a square face but his head is reduced. I'm not sure if he is an Alpinid type or a Reduced Bruenn type.

Can anyone give me the differences between the two?

Basically yes. Alpinids themselves are just a reduced form, with almost every position between more archaic Cromagnoid and very infantile-reduced, extreme Alpinid being possible.

Additionally there is a constitutional, body type range in Alpinoids.

So square faces are more common in the rather robust variants of Leptosome to Athletic/Mesosome body type, whereas the dominant round face is more common in the reduced forms.

From Swiss samples:

More robust-protomorphic Alpinid:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3276&stc=1&d=1259868708

Extremely infantile-reduced Alpinid:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3277&stc=1&d=1259868776

[Stefan]

Yes, a square face seems to be a Cro-Magnoid feature. An example, is my Grandmother who I would classify as either Berid or Alpinid(I know it is one of those.)

[Psychonaut]

Coon says (http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troeplate11.htm):


The Alpine race is a reduced Upper Palaeolithic survivor; Alpines are as a rule of but medium stature, and lateral in bodily build; their heads of moderate size and globular; their faces characteristically round and their facial features slightly infantile. Their pigmentation ranges from blond to brunet, but is usually intermediate.

[SilverFish]

Thanks Psychonaut,

Have we ever seen an Alpinid with a square face?

[Stefan]

I think it is a wide jaw that gives Cro-Magnoid types "square" faces. Alpinids seem to come with a slightly rounded one, while some others come with a square one. I think this may be due to the extra fat they have in their face. I think there could be different levels of "alpinization" just like there are different levels of "dinarization" for example.

[Amarantine]

Why Alpinids coudn't have longer stature? In that case it is not Alpinid but what, just CM?

[Agrippa]

Why Alpinids coudn't have longer stature? In that case it is not Alpinid but what, just CM?

Well, even Pygmoid races like the Bambutids have single individuals which are taller, be it due admixture, pathological or normal variation. In some case its hard to answer what it is and in the Alpinid case even more so, because the European racial forms and Alpinoids in particular have rarely areas which are "Alpinid only", yet you can't say it for mixed regions anyway.

The racial types are often just the representatives, which dominate regionally and in individuals, of a general trend, form of specialisation we can observe in a given population.

Now people otherwise largely Alpinoid can surely be tall and lean, rangy and schizothymic in personality, yet while such variants surely exist, they are in no way typical and usually go fluently in other forms.

The typical Alpinid form is short to medium tall, thats their specialisation, otherwise an individual or group deviates in another (Cromagnoid, Dinaroid, Nordoid etc.) direction.

So I'd say an AlpinOID can have a high stature, an AlpinID not, because the former needs just similarity, basic traits and genetic input, the later the typical form, limited spectrum - and AlpinIDs are as a rule short-medium statures for European standards.

[safinator]

Well supposedly they're reduced CM so yes in theory but more often than not there's a certain plumpiness in their features.

[Graham]

Always thought of it as round. The more east you get, the squarer the faces are.

[decembergrl]

I know this is an older thread but can some be dolichocephalic?

[Not a Cop]

I know this is an older thread but can some be dolichocephalic?

Nope, brachycephaly is essential trait of alpine phenotype.

[Breedingvariety]

No, Alpinids don't have square face, they have round face. Baltids and Faelids tend to have square faces.

[safinator]

No, Alpinids don't have square face, they have round face. Baltids tend to have square face.

Nope, only West Baltids.

[Roy]

Alpinoids do not have squared faces.

[Smaug]

No, a round face.

[decembergrl]

Faelids also have square faces.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Honestly I don't think that the two example posted here are perfect example of alpine types, perhaps an example with a higher ci and perhaps messorhine nose.