Classify Israeli Yemenite Jew

[Yehiel]

I think he look what an ancient egyptian would look like, African admixture is clear.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ryskg3.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/2sb8lg0.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/2ebwle8.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

A strange Griffe-Armenoid hybrid.

[Ataman]

Tanned Arabid . I don't see SSA features except for the kinky hair.

[Methusalem]

South Arabid with aethiopid influence. Looks too Arabid to pass as an Egyptian.

[Yehiel]

A strange Griffe-Armenoid hybrid.

He looks like stereotypical ancient egyptian.

[Yehiel]

South Arabid with aethiopid influence. Looks too Arabid to pass as an Egyptian.

Aethopid?

[Methusalem]

Aethopid?

Yes but just as an influence.

[Yehiel]

Yes but just as an influence.

no no im asking what a aethiopid is? aegyptian?

[Methusalem]

no no im asking what a aethiopid is? aegyptian?

No look in my signature that's an Aethiopid example:

http://i47.tinypic.com/2q2o0no.jpg

[Yehiel]

No look in my signature that's an Aethiopid example:

http://i47.tinypic.com/2q2o0no.jpg

Where are they found a lot?

[Methusalem]

Where are they found a lot?

Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, minor in Yemen, Northsudan, Socotra and Egypt.

[Smeagol]

Arabid-Aethiopid. Well he wouldn't be so typical in Egypt, but he could pass I guess.

[Yehiel]

Arabid-Aethiopid. Well he wouldn't be so typical in Egypt, but he could pass I guess.

Really? do you think the ancient egyptian look different from the modern? how well he will pass in ancient?

[Smeagol]

Really? do you think the ancient egyptian look different from the modern?

For the most part no, but there are some Sudano-Kafrid influences in Egypt from the slave trade now.

[Gaston]

He looks like an ancient Middle Eastern but with some adaptations to lower latitudes. There is no SSA here, especially when we know Yemeni Jews have only low amounts of African admixture.

[FrostDragon]

Pred Arabid+Aethiopid admixture.

[Yehiel]

wow i was off, not so good with the classifications

[Yehiel]

bump

[Sharkeatpeople]

Arabid-Aethiopid.

[DanielJ1eH]

except for the kinky hair.

That's typical Jew hair. Most Jews have it.

[Yehiel]

That's typical Jew hair. Most Jews have it.

:picard2:

[Kastrioti1443]

Looks like a longer faced Turkophagos.

[DanielJ1eH]

:picard2:

It's true.

- Garfunkel
- Josh Sussman
- Matt Stone
- Eugene Levy
- Albert Einstein
- Richard Simmons

Do you want me to go on?

[Yehiel]

Looks like a longer faced Turkophagos.

What is that?

[Yehiel]

It's true.

- Garfunkel
- Josh Sussman
- Matt Stone
- Eugene Levy
- Albert Einstein
- Richard Simmons

Do you want me to go on?

There is a difference between curly hair and hair like this guys, this guys hair is found in many SSA.. he would have an African Afro not a European one.

[Kastrioti1443]

What is that?

An orthodox levantine guy.

[DanielJ1eH]

There is a difference between curly hair and hair like this guys, this guys hair is found in many SSA.. he would have an African Afro not a European one.
LMAO. Jews have SSA-like hair as well. Do I need to show you pictures?

Don't make me take out my picture library of Jewish hair.

[Yehiel]

LMAO. Jews have SSA-like hair as well. Do I need to show you pictures?

Don't make me take out my picture library of Jewish hair.

Do it

[DanielJ1eH]

Here we go:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/13/article-1026264-027C45EF0000044D-981_468x581.jpg
http://trialx.com/curetalk/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/04/gcelebrities/Josh_Sussman-1.jpg
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/136/321089098_89864fbee6.jpg
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs12/300W/i/2006/305/b/5/My_afro_and_me_by_ferdinandstrat.jpg

And that's just the beginning of it all.

[Yehiel]

Here we go:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/13/article-1026264-027C45EF0000044D-981_468x581.jpg
http://trialx.com/curetalk/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/04/gcelebrities/Josh_Sussman-1.jpg
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/136/321089098_89864fbee6.jpg
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs12/300W/i/2006/305/b/5/My_afro_and_me_by_ferdinandstrat.jpg

And that's just the beginning of it all.

This is not common at all in Jews.. The last one doesnt even have a african afro

[DanielJ1eH]

This is not common at all in Jews.. The last one doesnt even have a african afro
Oh yes it is. I see it all the time. And those are some very tight curls on the last one. Stop trying to deny it.

[Yehiel]

Oh yes it is. I see it all the time. And those are some very tight curls on the last one. Stop trying to deny it.

Im not denying anything. Come to Israel and you will barely see this, or walk into a synagogue. this is not common. curly hair but not afros.

[Roy]

South Arabid.

[DanielJ1eH]

Im not denying anything. Come to Israel and you will barely see this, or walk into a synagogue. this is not common. curly hair but not afros.
You're in denial about Jews.

Here is Josh Wink, a well known Jewish DJ with SSA-like hair.

http://www.laptoprockers.eu/media/images/remix/2013/josh-wink_t1.jpg

[Yehiel]

South Arabid.

Now that i come back and look he looks like a regular Yemini

[Yehiel]

You're in denial about Jews.

Here is Josh Wink, a well known Jewish DJ with SSA-like hair.

http://www.laptoprockers.eu/media/images/remix/2013/josh-wink_t1.jpg

Okay i can go cheery pick a few brits with curly hair, does that mean its common?

[DanielJ1eH]

Okay i can go cheery pick a few brits with curly hair, does that mean its common?
WHY DO YOU THINK THE TERM "JEWFRO" EVEN EXISTS?

Jesus christ you're thick headed.

[Yehiel]

WHY DO YOU THINK THE TERM "JEWFRO" EVEN EXISTS?

Jesus christ you're thick headed.

I just made the term Britfro, why do you think it exist?

[Longbowman]

Dude, I've been to Israel. Curly/SSA hair's not uncommon there. Straight hair too. Why is this a big deal?

[Yehiel]

Dude, I've been to Israel. Curly/SSA hair's not uncommon there. Straight hair too. Why is this a big deal?

SSA hair is uncommon not curly hair..

[DanielJ1eH]

SSA hair is uncommon not curly hair..

You're clearly in denial. I can give you more pictures if you wish.

[Yehiel]

You're clearly in denial. I can give you more pictures if you wish.

Im not in denial Jews walking around with afros is not common in Israel but it is there

[DanielJ1eH]

Im not in denial Jews walking around with afros is not common in Israel but it is there

LMAO. I give up.

[Longbowman]

SSA hair is uncommon not curly hair..

I'm not saying 50% of Jews and Palestinians have it, or even 5%. But a number do. My dad did, as a young man in New York. He was once accosted by El Al security because they thought he was a terrorist. Then they saw the skullcap buried in his afro and let him go. This is a pure AJ with 1/16 Eastern European.

[Yehiel]

I'm not saying 50% of Jews and Palestinians have it, or even 5%. But a number do. My dad did, as a young man in New York. He was once accosted by El Al security because they thought he was a terrorist. Then they saw the skullcap buried in his afro and let him go. This is a pure AJ with 1/16 Eastern European.

Yeah im not denying that some have it, but to say its common is to much..

[Longbowman]

Yeah im not denying that some have it, but to say its common is to much..

I don't mean 50% or 10%, but a notable amount. Maybe 5%.

[Yehiel]

I don't mean 50% or 10%, but a notable amount. Maybe 5%.

3% of those are ethiopian :)

[Longbowman]

3% of those are ethiopian :)

Within the Ashkenazi/Mizrahi/Palestinian group, I meant.

[Yehiel]

Within the Ashkenazi/Mizrahi/Palestinian group, I meant.

Its kinda hard to say what the number would be but i guess we can go with 5 although it maybe a little less

[The King, I am]

He looks like an ethnic Arab

[Rambo07]

Is his family from Haudramut or the Coast? He looks Orientalid with some Horner influence.

[Longbowman]

Its kinda hard to say what the number would be but i guess we can go with 5 although it maybe a little less

I've known a couple of Jews with SSA-like hair (enough for a proper afro). My dad, and a guy in an adjacent town to mine called 'Afro Joe' :P

[Longbowman]

Anyway Yemenites are very SSA/Arabid, with minor Levantine DNA due to conversion of local tribes when the area was under Jewish rule in the 5th-6th century.

[Yehiel]

Anyway Yemenites are very SSA/Arabid, with minor Levantine DNA due to conversion of local tribes when the area was under Jewish rule in the 5th-6th century.

I agree, Yemenite Jews have been there since 1st temple period and their culture is almost untouched, wich is why you cant really put them into a Sefardi or Mizrahi group. They are kinda on their own.. They are almost pure arabid now, no?

[Yehiel]

Is his family from Haudramut or the Coast? He looks Orientalid with some Horner influence.

I am not sure

[Longbowman]

I agree, Yemenite Jews have been there since 1st temple period and their culture is almost untouched, wich is why you cant really put them into a Sefardi or Mizrahi group. They are kinda on their own.. They are almost pure arabid now, no?

No, there is a connection between them and Levantines, even if it's weaker than the AJ/SJ link. Plus, like all Yemenites, they have the SSA admix, which is quite significant.

Yes, they're liturgically separate from other Jews.

[Smeagol]

Anyway Yemenites are very SSA/Arabid,

Coastal Yemenis mainly. Yemeni higlanders, and Yemeni Jews are for the most part pure Europids still, and almost all are Arabid.

[Yehiel]

No, there is a connection between them and Levantines, even if it's weaker than the AJ/SJ link. Plus, like all Yemenites, they have the SSA admix, which is quite significant.

Yes, they're liturgically separate from other Jews.

From the spreadsheets ive seen they have very little SSA, infact the Palis have more.

[Longbowman]

From the spreadsheets ive seen they have very little SSA, infact the Palis have more.

I didn't say the Palestinians did.

But hey, AJs have <3%, SJs have <5%, Portuguese folk have <4%, so on. It's not so uncommon.

[Yehiel]

I didn't say the Palestinians did.

But hey, AJs have <3%, SJs have <5%, Portuguese folk have <4%, so on. It's not so uncommon.

I guess it depends on the region

[Smeagol]

But hey, AJs have <3%,

Like 1-1.5% actually, and it's East African.


Portuguese folk have <4%,

Nope, for Portuguese, it's about 2%, and they're the most admixed people in Europe.

[Longbowman]

[QUOTE]Like 1-1.5% actually, and it's East African.

Depends on the survey, but I suspect yours is closer to the truth. I was just reading a different one earlier. But the point still stands. Doesn't matter that it's Eastern.


Nope, for Portuguese, it's about 2%, and they're the most admixed people in Europe.

Again, depends on the survey, though you're probably right. And I agree.

[Methusalem]

[QUOTE=Rhett Butler;2401264]

Depends on the survey, but I suspect yours is closer to the truth. I was just reading a different one earlier. But the point still stands. Doesn't matter that it's Eastern.



Again, depends on the survey, though you're probably right. And I agree.

Well it does matter if it is east or westafrican since somalis have on average 70 to 80% eastafrican component but can look pretty caucasoid.

[Sikeliot]

He looks like an Ethiopian minus some of the African.

I doubt he has any genetic Jewish ancestry, just looks like a converted Arab like most Yemenite Jews.

[Smeagol]

Depends on the survey, but I suspect yours is closer to the truth. I was just reading a different one earlier. But the point still stands. Doesn't matter that it's Eastern.

The 3% comes from the moorjani study, which was flawed.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/04/sub-saharan-admixture-in-west-eurasian.html


Again, depends on the survey, though you're probably right. And I agree.

The average for the country is 2% which is almost always going to be racially irrelevant. There might have been some mixing in the south of the country, but even if that's true, selection worked against Negrid traits as a rule.

[Longbowman]

[QUOTE=Longbowman;2401268]

Well it does matter if it is east or westafrican since somalis have on average 70 to 80% eastafrican component but can look pretty caucasoid.

Well I don't think [most European] Jews exhibit much in the way of SSA phenotypes BUT Horners are about 50% SSA so if you're 3% Horner you're 1.5% SSA which is what I was trying to say. Obviously if you're 1% SSA you're not going to look SSA but my whole argument was that many European groups have minor SSA blood, which may manifest itself slightly in hair texture, etc.

Yemenites are more than 3% Horner though. Their SSA component would probably be 5-15%. I need to see some proper data though.

[Longbowman]

He looks like an Ethiopian minus some of the African.

I doubt he has any genetic Jewish ancestry, just looks like a converted Arab like most Yemenite Jews.

Like AJs, Yemenite Jews do show some affinity with Levantines. Not as great a deal though.

[KidMulat]

3% of those are ethiopian :)

Ethiopians don't have that kind of hair often though, most likely its spiral curls or wavy with a very small minority having anything close to coils.

[Smeagol]

BUT Horners are about 50% SSA so if you're 3% Horner you're 1.5% SSA which is what I was trying to say.

Horners don't have the same kind of ''ssa'' as westafrican negrids.


but my whole argument was that many European groups have minor SSA blood, which may manifest itself slightly in hair texture, etc.

No, again, selection worked against negrid traits, even when there was occasional mixing. The Portuguese have the most SSA in Europe, but its only 2%. Spaniards, and Sicilians have about 1.5%, and other Europeans have less than 1%.


Yemenites are more than 3% Horner though. Their SSA component would probably be 5-15%. I need to see some proper data though.

Yemeni Highlanders, and Yemeni Jews have ancient Eastafrican admixture, but are mostly just Arabids.

[Sikeliot]

No, again, selection worked against negrid traits, even when there was occasional mixing. The Portuguese have the most SSA in Europe, but its only 2%. Spaniards, and Sicilians have about 1.5%, and other Europeans have less than 1%.

My Sicilian side appears to have none since I have exactly half that my mother has.

[KidMulat]

Well it does matter if it is east or westafrican since somalis have on average 70 to 80% eastafrican component but can look pretty caucasoid.

There was not much of a "jump" when Eurasian admixture cam even into the population and as you said Somalis are the "most" caucasoid but with the least mixture idk these European derived categories never took into account that the so called "Europid" form is ultimately a montane tropic phenotype that was highly adaptive.

[KidMulat]

Horners don't have the same kind of ''ssa'' as westafrican negrids.

.

No, again, selection worked against negrid traits, even when there was occasional mixing. The Portuguese have the most SSA in Europe, but its only 2%. Spaniards, and Sicilians have about 1.5%, and other Europeans have less than 1%.



Yemeni Highlanders, and Yemeni Jews have ancient Eastafrican admixture, but are mostly just Arabids.

All Africans from West to East share the same group mixtures at different proportions.

[Longbowman]

All Africans from West to East share the same group mixtures at different proportions.

Indeed, all people with SSA have 'the same kind' of SSA in the same way all European blood is European, and really we differentiate between groups by ascertaining how much European blood they have, not 'which type.'

[Smeagol]

My Sicilian side appears to have none since I have exactly half that my mother has.

Yeah, some Sicilians don't even score any, but the ones who do only have about 1-1.5%.

[KidMulat]

Indeed, all people with SSA have 'the same kind' of SSA in the same way all European blood is European, and really we differentiate between groups by ascertaining how much European blood they have, not 'which type.'

I really just think people try and make these lines is to invalidate the Black New Worlders who mostly come from west and Central Africa :coffee:

[Longbowman]

I really just think people try and make these lines is to invalidate the Black New Worlders who mostly come from a west and Central Africa :coffee:

Spot on.

[Sikeliot]

Yeah, some Sicilians don't even score any, but the ones who do only have about 1-1.5%.

I think my father's side has none.

[Smeagol]

I think my father's side has none.

Yeah, actually, Sicilians apparently have 1% or less on average. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE#gid=0

[Sikeliot]

Yeah, actually, Sicilians apparently have 1% or less on average. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE#gid=0

What is oddest is I score North African and my mother does not.

[Longbowman]

Yeah, actually, Sicilians apparently have 1% or less on average. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE#gid=0

Palestinians 7.2%, Sicilians 0.9%, AJs 0.3%, Yemen Jews 4.7%, 'Yemenese' (what?) 18.2%, Syrians 4.7%, SJs 0.7%.

[Smeagol]

What is oddest is I score North African and my mother does not.

Probably from the Moors. The Moors of Sicily were mostly from Tunisia.

[Sikeliot]

Probably from the Moors. The Moors of Sicily were mostly from Tunisia.

But why would my mom score none? Portuguese have more North African generally.

[Smeagol]

Palestinians 7.2%, Sicilians 0.9%, AJs 0.3%, Yemen Jews 4.7%, 'Yemenese' (what?) 18.2%, Syrians 4.7%, SJs 0.7%.

I imagine the Yemeni sample probably wasn't of Yemeni Highlanders, who I think would be similar to Yemeni Jews.

[Smeagol]

But why would my mom score none? Portuguese have more North African generally.

I'm not sure.

[Longbowman]

I imagine the Yemeni sample probably wasn't of Yemeni Highlanders, who I think would be similar to Yemeni Jews.

Very probably. Still, 4.7% is significant.

[Longbowman]

But why would my mom score none? Portuguese have more North African generally.

How much do you score?

[Smeagol]

Very probably. Still, 4.7% is significant.

In the Yemeni Jews? No, they are mostly just Arabids.

[Longbowman]

In the Yemeni Jews? No, they are mostly just Arabids.

Look, 4.7% is one twentieth. It's significant. They might not look particularly black (obviously) but it's a genetic reality. If you saw Ryan Giggs who is half black but you would never think it, you wouldn't say 'well, it doesn't show, so it doesn't matter.'

[Sikeliot]

Yeah, actually, Sicilians apparently have 1% or less on average. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE#gid=0

For SSA there it is vastly underestimated for most ethnicities.. Portuguese score 0.7, Sicilians 0.3, and my mother gets 1.2, I get 0.

[Smeagol]

For SSA there it is vastly underestimated for most ethnicities.. Portuguese score 0.7, Sicilians 0.3, and my mother gets 1.2, I get 0.

That's because East African isn't included in the SSA.

[Sikeliot]

That's because East African isn't included in the SSA.

My mom gets 0.5 of that, I get 0.8, and I notice none of the Sicilians nor the Portuguese I know their numbers score any SSA over 0.5%.

[Smeagol]

Look, 4.7% is one twentieth. It's significant. They might not look particularly black (obviously) but it's a genetic reality. If you saw Ryan Giggs who is half black but you would never think it, you wouldn't say 'well, it doesn't show, so it doesn't matter.'

Ryan Giggs is not half black, he has 1 grandfather from Sierra Leone (Predominantly Sudanid nation with even some Westaethiopid ''Sahelid'' influences)

http://www.resume.se/Global/Resume/nyheter/2011/05/24/ryan-giggs-stammer-twitter/ryan_giggs1.jpg

Looks pretty much Europid. Now if we're talking about is 4.7% significant or not, that depends on what you mean by significant. Is 4.7% ancient East African significant for the Yemeni Jews? In this case no, because they are racially, in their specialization pretty much purely Arabid. Some Afrikaners also score about 4% sub sahran by the way.

[Sikeliot]

The reason my mom scores actual SSA there when the other Portuguese do not is because she actually has West African slave ancestry and they do not.

[Smeagol]

My mom gets 0.5 of that, I get 0.8, and I notice none of the Sicilians nor the Portuguese I know their numbers score any SSA over 0.5%.

Yeah, it's absolutely irrelevant in most Europeans.

[Longbowman]

Ryan Giggs is not half black, he has 1 grandfather from Sierra Leone.

http://www.resume.se/Global/Resume/nyheter/2011/05/24/ryan-giggs-stammer-twitter/ryan_giggs1.jpg

Looks pretty much Europid. Now if we're talking about is 4.7% significant or not, that depends on what you mean by significant. Is 4.7% ancient East African significant for the Yemeni Jews? In this case no, because they are racially, in their specialization pretty much purely made up of Arabids. Some Afrikaners also score about 4% sub sahran by the way.

Then he looks suspiciously non-Quadroon.

Look, if you're 4.7% black, then 4.7% of your genes are black. If they're not in your face, then they're more likely to be affecting your personality, hm? And yes, I know boers can be pretty damn black. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Laing

[DanielJ1eH]

Obviously if you're 1% SSA you're not going to look SSA but my whole argument was that many European groups have minor SSA blood, which may manifest itself slightly in hair texture, etc.
I have to disagree. I don't think that hair texture is a reliable source of spotting SSA in AJ's or other Europeans. A DNA test is best for that. Partly because things are not always as they seem.

[Sikeliot]

Yeah, it's absolutely irrelevant in most Europeans.

My North African is 2.4% btw and my mom has 0%.

I think it is weird I get no SSA on there when Doug McDonald gave me 2.5%.

[Yehiel]

My North African is 2.4% btw and my mom has 0%.

I think it is weird I get no SSA on there when Doug McDonald gave me 2.5%.

How sicilian are you? I get 1.4 and im 1/4 Sephardi

[Longbowman]

My North African is 2.4% btw and my mom has 0%.

I think it is weird I get no SSA on there when Doug McDonald gave me 2.5%.

It's probably 'hidden' in your mum.

Like, if you were an SJ, you'd score 40% North African perhaps, but if you were an AJ, even though you'd have a similar amount, it'd show as AJ.

I guess they read some of your Italian/Sicilian/Portuguese differently.

[Smeagol]

Then he looks suspiciously non-Quadroon.

There are minor Europid influences even in predominantly Sudanid racial territory anyway. They are called depending on who is describing them: Westaethiopids, Sahelids, or Nordsudanids. They are surely no pure Europids, and are even predominantly Negrid, but they aren't pure Negrid.


Look, if you're 4.7% black, then 4.7% of your genes are black.

As I mentioned before, All racial types have more to do with just a specific set of genes rather than general genetic relations. They are adaptations primarily, not ancestral groups, even though they can be, and usually are both. 4.7% of ancient East African does not affect Yemeni Jews racially. In fact, the Negrid influences in Yemenis are mostly recent, Sudano-Kafrid.


If they're not in your face, then they're more likely to be affecting your personality, hm?

I'm not sure, does it? One of the main reasons I think it doesn't, is because looking at ancient Egyptians for example, they almost certainly had some East African ancestry, but racially the average ancient Egyptian was Mediterranid, Arabid, or South Cromagnid, or some mix of those, although Aethiopid influences were stronger in the south. I think if people like the Ancient Egyptians could build a great civilization like they did, they probably didn't have ''negro personalities''.:laugh:


And yes, I know boers can be pretty damn black. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Laing

I doubt Sandra Laing's father was who they say it is.

[Sikeliot]

It's probably 'hidden' in your mum.

Like, if you were an SJ, you'd score 40% North African perhaps, but if you were an AJ, even though you'd have a similar amount, it'd show as AJ.

I guess they read some of your Italian/Sicilian/Portuguese differently.


So you mean my mom should have North African? I just know it's funny that both of our SSA and North African fluctuates a lot on different calculators, but she always gets SSA and sometimes I don't, and the reverse is true for North African.

[Smeagol]

Like, if you were an SJ, you'd score 40% North African perhaps

40% North African, lol no, more like 5% for Sephardic Jews.

[Longbowman]

40% North African, lol no, more like 5% for Sephardic Jews.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?114518-Ashkenazis-on-23andme/page7

30%.

[Longbowman]

So you mean my mom should have North African? I just know it's funny that both of our SSA and North African fluctuates a lot on different calculators, but she always gets SSA and sometimes I don't, and the reverse is true for North African.

Obviously at least one of your parents will have it.

[KidMulat]

There are minor Europid influences even in predominantly Sudanid racial territory anyway. They are called depending on who is describing them: Westaethiopids, Sahelids, or Nordsudanids. They are surely no pure Europids, and are even predominantly Negrid, but they aren't pure Negrid.



As I mentioned before, All racial types have more to do with just a specific set of genes rather than general genetic relations. They are adaptations primarily, not ancestral groups, even though they can be, and usually are both. 4.7% of ancient East African does not affect Yemeni Jews racially. In fact, the Negrid influences in Yemenis are mostly recent, Sudano-Kafrid.



I'm not sure, does it? One of the main reasons I think it doesn't, is because looking at ancient Egyptians for example, they almost certainly had some East African ancestry, but racially the average ancient Egyptian was Mediterranid, Arabid, or South Cromagnid, or some mix of those, although Aethiopid influences were stronger in the south. I think if people like the Ancient Egyptians could build a great civilization like they did, they probably didn't have ''negro personalities''.:laugh:



I doubt Sandra Laing's father was who they say it is.

There is no such thing as a Pure Negrid; there never has been one.

[Sikeliot]

Obviously at least one of your parents will have it.

My dad should have the North African, and the SSA in my mom comes from the Cape Verdean part.

[Longbowman]

There are minor Europid influences even in predominantly Sudanid racial territory anyway. They are called depending on who is describing them: Westaethiopids, Sahelids, or Nordsudanids. They are surely no pure Europids, and are even predominantly Negrid, but they aren't pure Negrid.



As I mentioned before, All racial types have more to do with just a specific set of genes rather than general genetic relations. They are adaptations primarily, not ancestral groups, even though they can be, and usually are both. 4.7% of ancient East African does not affect Yemeni Jews racially. In fact, the Negrid influences in Yemenis are mostly recent, Sudano-Kafrid.



I'm not sure, does it? One of the main reasons I think it doesn't, is because looking at ancient Egyptians for example, they almost certainly had some East African ancestry, but racially the average ancient Egyptian was Mediterranid, Arabid, or South Cromagnid, or some mix of those, although Aethiopid influences were stronger in the south. I think if people like the Ancient Egyptians could build a great civilization like they did, they probably didn't have ''negro personalities''.:laugh:



I doubt Sandra Laing's father was who they say it is.

If you're going to be needlessly racist, I'm just not going to listen. It's probably the best recourse anyway; you seem to think a majority of genes can overpower a subset from a different ethnicity, which is pure idiocy and not worthy of you.

[Smeagol]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?114518-Ashkenazis-on-23andme/page7

30%.

30% North African, but less than 10% Middle Eastern? Lol, I really doubt that considering on Dodecad they only score like 5% North African.

[Yehiel]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?114518-Ashkenazis-on-23andme/page7

30%.

That must be a Morocco Sefardi.

I have a cousin from Tunisia who scores about that much.

[Longbowman]

30% North African, but less than 10% Middle Eastern? Lol, I really doubt that considering on Dodecad they only score like 5% North African.

<implying Dodecad is an authority of any serious standing.

I think this guy's an outlier, but the North African component must feature heavily. In me, my MENA is mainly North African. I presume it's Jewish.

[Longbowman]

That must be a Morocco Sefardi.

I have a cousin from Tunisia who scores about that much.

He is.

And there we go. Most SJs will score heavy North African, proving me right.

It could be - though I doubt it - that the SJs that did NOT move to North Africa did not pick up the extra North African, but that still smells suspicious to me, considering the short (400 year) period in question couple with the endogamy of Jews.

[Smeagol]

If you're going to be needlessly racist, I'm just not going to listen.

Well you're the one who suggested 5% subsaharan genes might affect personality, I was actually doubting it...


It's probably the best recourse anyway; you seem to think a majority of genes can overpower a subset from a different ethnicity, which is pure idiocy and not worthy of you.

For example, if someone is say, and octoroon, will that negrid ancestry always affect them racially? No not always. Should ancient Egyptians for be considered mixed race?

[KidMulat]

Well you're the one who suggested 5% subsaharan genes might affect personality, I was actually doubting it...



For example, if someone is say, and octoroon, will that negrid ancestry always affect them racially? No not always. Should ancient Egyptians for be considered mixed race?

African and Europeans genes do not effect personality; pseudoscience much :-/

[Smeagol]

I think this guy's an outlier,

And yet you said the average Sephardi scores even more North African than him. :rolleyes2:


but the North African component must feature heavily. In me, my MENA is mainly North African. I presume it's Jewish.

How much do you score?

[Yehiel]

He is.

And there we go. Most SJs will score heavy North African, proving me right.

It could be - though I doubt it - that the SJs that did NOT move to North Africa did not pick up the extra North African, but that still smells suspicious to me, considering the short (400 year) period in question couple with the endogamy of Jews.

We still have a much smaller component..

Half Ashkenazi/Half Sefardi 23andme:

88.8%European

59.4% Ashkenazi

Southern European
3.7% Italian
< 0.1% Iberian
7.1% Nonspecific Southern European

2.4% Eastern European

16.1% Nonspecific European

9.4% Middle Eastern & North African
3.0% Middle Eastern
1.7% North African
4.7% Nonspecific Middle Eastern & North African

Full Tunisian Sefardi:

53.6% Middle Eastern & North African
36.6% North African
11.2% Middle Eastern
5.8% Nonspecific Middle Eastern & North African

45.5% European

Southern European
23.6% Italian
0.6% Iberian
7.5% Nonspecific Southern European

5.7% Ashkenazi

8.0% Nonspecific European

0.9% Unassigned

Both are relatives of mine.

[Longbowman]

[QUOTE]Well you're the one who suggested 5% subsaharan genes might affect personality, I was actually doubting it...

Don't be that stupid. I wasn't suggesting it was negative. I was just making fun of your idiocy.


For example, if someone is say, and octoroon, will that negrid ancestry always affect them racially? No not always. Should ancient Egyptians for be considered mixed race?

Everyone's mixed race, it's just a matter of degree. If you're 1/8 black and 7/8 white, you're not 8/8 white. You're 7/8 white. You seem to think 'well once we get to 80% or whatever, you become white/black/asian.' Which is ludicrous. I'm not 100% white, if we take Eurogenes admixture into account, I'm 97% white. I'd describe myself as white, but I'm not 100% white. I'm 97% white. I can't just add 3%, that's not how genetics works. I'm 97% white, 2% siberian, 1% east african. End.

You, for example, are 3/4 non-Jewish. Now, if asked, you're non-Jewish, sure, but the genetic reality is you're not entirely non-Jewish. You're 75-80% non-Jewish. The Jewish component being smaller doesn't make it go away, it just makes it small.

So yes. Being even 0.1% non-white makes you 0.1% non-white.

If we're talking about white as in the de-facto racial category, wherein we say 'you're white' if you look white enough and want to play ball with us, that's a whole different sack of bananas, but in terms of genetic reality, you are obviously wrong here.

[Sikeliot]

I don't feel as white as my genes show because I have family photos of relatives who look offwhite and mixed. So genes do not always correlate with perception.

[Longbowman]

And yet you said the average Sephardi scores even more North African than him. :rolleyes2:



How much do you score?

On Conservative, 0.1% nonspecified. On Standard, I forget. On Speculative, 4.8% total, 1.9% North African, 1.7% ME. Which is fairly close. It's a lot less close in full-blown North African SJs.

[Smeagol]

Don't be that stupid. I wasn't suggesting it was negative. I was just making fun of your idiocy.

Well it's not positive, that's for sure...


Everyone's mixed race,

Yeah, and race is a social construct right?:rolleyes:

[Smeagol]

On Conservative, 0.1% nonspecified. On Standard, I forget. On Speculative, 4.8% total, 1.9% North African, 1.7% ME. Which is fairly close. It's a lot less close in full-blown North African SJs.

So your full Sephardic parent would have been about 4% North African.

[Longbowman]

Well it's not positive, that's for sure...

You can't expect people to take you seriously in debates when you say stuff like this.


Yeah, and race is a social construct right?:rolleyes:

Not at all. But the genetic reality is that there's no pure 100% Caucasoid out there of which we know.

[Longbowman]

So your full Sephardic parent would have been about 4% North African.

I don't have a full Sephardic parent. I have a full Sephardic great-grandparent and possibly one or two other distant members of the family. If we take 4.8%/12.5% that's a bit low for SJs but my family is from the highly assimilated Spanish & Portuguese branch of the SJ family and will have doubtless picked up more European blood. If we multiplied that 4 by 8 we'd get to 32% which is more like it for the original SJ in question.

[Smeagol]

Not at all. But the genetic reality is that there's no pure 100% Caucasoid out there of which we know.

Sure there are plenty of pure Caucasoids. Now those Caucasoids might have some non-Westeurasian genetic ancestry, but they're still Caucasoids racially, in their specialization.

[Smeagol]

I don't have a full Sephardic parent. I have a full Sephardic great-grandparent and possibly one or two other distant members of the family. If we take 4.8%/12.5% that's a bit low for SJs but my family is from the highly assimilated Spanish & Portuguese branch of the SJ family and will have doubtless picked up more European blood. If we multiplied that 4 by 8 we'd get to 32% which is more like it for the original SJ in question.

The half Sephardi, half Ashkenazi guy Yehiel posted was only about 2% North African though, and the Tunisian Sephardic Jew was 30%...

[Yehiel]

It depends if your ancestors were Jews that fled to Europe after inquisition or Jews that went into North Africa.

[Longbowman]

Sure there are plenty of pure Caucasoids. Now those Caucasoids might have some non-Westeurasian genetic ancestry, but they're still Caucasoids racially, in their specialization.

'Specialization,' what? By a genetic measurement - which I've made clear, is what I'm talking about - there are none.

That means, if you're 95% white, you'll look white, sure. But one in every twenty of your genes will be non-white.

Which doesn't mean one in every twenty of your features will be non-white, because each feature is usually governed by a number of genes. However, it is slightly more likely a feature be entirely white or black in a mixed raced person than it would be 50-50 or whatever, due to how genes are mixed (you get 'strings' of information, instead of one in every twenty genes being from that 5%).

However, ultimately, we cannot and should not deny the fact that we, and our race, owe a good bit of our blood to non-West Eurasians.

If you choose to define 'Caucasian' as 'a collection of people who are about 95% Caucasoid and 5% Mongoloid/Negroid' then sure, there are millions if not billions of us. Which is how it's described. But be sure you remember 'Caucasians' are <10% non-West Eurasian. To not do so dishonours that portion of our ancestry.

[Longbowman]

It depends if your ancestors were Jews that fled to Europe after inquisition or Jews that went into North Africa.

Mine converted. Marrano family ;)

[Yehiel]

Mine converted. Marrano family ;)

Well than yours would have picked up European and not more North African

[Longbowman]

Well than yours would have picked up European and not more North African

Exactly, that's what I said, and it's reflected in my genepool. Still, looking at Jewish endogamy, I doubt the additional North African addition to the SJ genepool was >5%.

[Smeagol]

'Specialization,' what? By a genetic measurement - which I've made clear, is what I'm talking about - there are none.

Specialization is defined as: Evolved for a particular function; adapted to a limited range of resources. For example, a A German Nordid would be racially Closer to a Russian Nordid than to a German Alpinid.

Another example, the Australimorhphic Weddids are not genetically related to the Australids, but they they are morphologically and in their specialisation closer than to many other, even genetically closer, types. Race is primarily the specialisation, the process of evolution on a local, population level, its not just about genetic relations.

Even the Ainuids are racially closer to Europids, and Weddids than to the Japanese Mongolids. Even very early Europids would have non-Westeurasian ancestry.

[randomguy1235]

Clearly non-Levantine.

[Yehiel]

Clearly non-Levantine.

Most Yemeni Jews, tend to look more arabid then Levantine, but ive seen people claim they are the true Israelites.

[Smeagol]

Most Yemeni Jews, tend to look more arabid then Levantine, but ive seen people claim they are the true Israelites.

They're probably similar to original Israelites.

[Yehiel]

They're probably similar to original Israelites.

I think the originals looked like ancient Babylonians for the most part. Samaritans and modern Assyrians are probably the best representatives.

[Smeagol]

I think the originals looked like ancient Babylonians for the most part. Samaritans and modern Assyrians are probably the best representatives.

Samaritans, and Assyrians both have strong Semitic (Arabid) influences, but are often mixed today with Mediterranids, and Armenids.

[Yehiel]

Samaritans, and Assyrians both have strong Semitic (Arabid) influences, but are often mixed today with Mediterranids, and Armenids.

I dont think they were as dark as the man i have posted for classification

Probably something like this

http://i61.tinypic.com/a46g06.jpg

[Smeagol]

I dont think they were as dark as the man i have posted for classification

Probably something like this

http://i61.tinypic.com/a46g06.jpg

Two Jews who I think represent the original Israelite racial type. (Arabid)

Jewish actor Oded Fehr:
http://images3.cinema.de/imedia/7301/2287301,qeObvNnQ5IkF0fTecG7YiURGG660GC5oT9mXbh92M3 7LUiAqkAXxkJMsmuoJYNQHtGeAMcKK97fbpLbH+rGI6g==.jpg

Jewish singer Ofra Haza:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SnvuK9H8Yww/TTNe_mfYE1I/AAAAAAAAABg/f-WLX9tHYn8/s1600/ofra-haza.jpg

[Yehiel]

Two Jews who I think represent the original Israelite racial type. (Arabid)

Jewish actor Oded Fehr:
http://images3.cinema.de/imedia/7301/2287301,qeObvNnQ5IkF0fTecG7YiURGG660GC5oT9mXbh92M3 7LUiAqkAXxkJMsmuoJYNQHtGeAMcKK97fbpLbH+rGI6g==.jpg

Jewish singer Ofra Haza:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SnvuK9H8Yww/TTNe_mfYE1I/AAAAAAAAABg/f-WLX9tHYn8/s1600/ofra-haza.jpg

Ofra Haza did have a beautiful voice, Yerushalayim Shel Zahav sung by her probably one of best songs i have listened to.

But yes i think these are fairly good representation as i pictured the ancient Babylonians also would have looked like Oded Fehr, who is Israeli i believe.

[Maleficent]

I think he look what an ancient egyptian would look like, African admixture is clear.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ryskg3.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/2sb8lg0.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/2ebwle8.jpg

Yemeni Jews are largely Tribal Yemeni Bedouin converted to Judaism many centuries ago. They have little to no SSA admix whereas Yemeni Muslims do have SSA admix. In fact, I doubt any true Israelite heritage in Yemeni Jews; they are more pure Arab than even Bedouins and Saudis.

Anyway, Boaz Mauda is a great singer, and an example of a Jew with an Arabid phenotype.

[KidMulat]

Yemeni Jews are largely Tribal Yemeni Bedouin converted to Judaism many centuries ago. They have little to no SSA admix whereas Yemeni Muslims do have SSA admix. In fact, I doubt any true Israelite heritage in Yemeni Jews; they are more pure Arab than even Bedouins and Saudis.

Anyway, Boaz Mauda is a great singer, and an example of a Jew with an Arabid phenotype.

The few Yemeni Jews I know are obviously admixed though :confused:

[Smeagol]

I doubt any true Israelite heritage in Yemeni Jews;

They look like ancient Israelites though.


they are more pure Arab than even Bedouins and Saudis.

Hmm.. no, they're about equally Arab i'd guess.

[StonyArabia]

Yemeni Jews are largely Tribal Yemeni Bedouin converted to Judaism many centuries ago. They have little to no SSA admix whereas Yemeni Muslims do have SSA admix. In fact, I doubt any true Israelite heritage in Yemeni Jews; they are more pure Arab than even Bedouins and Saudis.

No they match ethnic Saudis well genetically autsomally if the Saudis in question are ethnic. The country has Muslims from across the world who got citizenship. They also match well with the Yemenite highlanders, but they don't match well the coastal ones. However they do match well with Bedouins, but this depends on what grouping in general they do, but ethnic Saudis are their closest relatives.

Another thing Saudi does not mean Arabian, just a resident in Saudi, Arabian means ethnic.

[StonyArabia]

Hmm.. no, they're about equally Arab i'd guess.

They are, I have seen in it the plots that Yemenite Jews and Saudis are very close together, but Yemenite Muslims since they combined the two groups highlanders and the coastal ones they diverge due to their SSA admix. However if you divide the Yemenite highlanders from the coastal ones, there is clearly a similarity to ethnic Saudis, and Yemenite Jews. They also match well with Bedouins but it's large encompassing term that can be misapplied to any nomadic groupings. But in general Yemenite Jews, Ethnic Saudis, Yemenite highlanders, and Ethnic Bedouins are kin to each other more so than anything.

[Smeagol]

They are, I have seen in it the plots that Yemenite Jews and Saudis are very close together, but Yemenite Muslims since they combined the two groups highlanders and the coastal ones they diverge due to their SSA admix. However if you divide the Yemenite highlanders from the coastal ones, there is clearly a similarity to ethnic Saudis, and Yemenite Jews. They also match well with Bedouins but it's large encompassing term that can be misapplied to any nomadic groupings. But in general Yemenite Jews, Ethnic Saudis, Yemenite highlanders, and Ethnic Bedouins are kin to each other more so than anything.

Very true. I wonder why FaerieQueene thumbed me down?

[Maleficent]

They look like ancient Israelites though.The only people that look like pure Ancient Israelites are Levantine Christians and Levantine Mizrahim.

Hmm.. no, they're about equally Arab i'd guess.Think about it..... "pure Arabs" should be "pure dark Caucasoids".....Arab Muslims have more SSA admixture than Mizrahi Jews.....Yemeni Jews are largely descendant of ethnic Yemeni Bedouin converted to Judaism many centuries ago.....hence Yemeni Jews are purest Arabs.

LMAO what a big fucking oxymoron. They should go the fuck back to Yemen pronto, they ARE NOT indigenous of the Holy Land.

[StonyArabia]

Very true. I wonder why FaerieQueene thumbed me down?

She probably does not like you saying the Israelites looked Arabid as she believes they looked East-Med. However what I stated is supported by the PC plot as all these people who I will call Arabians regardless of religious affiliation are genetic kin to one another. The ethnic ones, you can't really use a Saudi Persian, Saudi African, Saudi Indonesian to quantify Arabian admix or even conclude these people are mixed lol, you have to go the interior of Arabia, which the samples showed no doubt of their native Arabian ancestry and that they are not mixed as people often assume. In fact this why the samples came from the interior for this reason alone, I wish they would do the same for Yemen.

[Smeagol]

The only people that look like pure Ancient Israelites are Levantine Christians and Levantine Mizrahim.

Actually, Israelites were predominantly Arabid with some Mediterranid influence, and even most Christian Palestinians, and Mizrahi Jews today are Semitic-Eastmediterranid mixes.


Think about it..... "pure Arabs" should be "pure dark Caucasoids"Arab Muslims have more SSA admixture than Mizrahi Jews.....

Most Bedouins are pure Caucasoids, and so are most Yemeni Jews, but a few have some negrid influence. Well, It's coastal Arabians who have ssa mainly, Yemeni Highlanders are mostly pure Arabids for example.


Yemeni Jews are largely descendant of ethnic Yemeni Bedouin converted to Judaism many centuries ago.....hence Yemeni Jews are purest Arabs.

They're about as pure as other ethnic Arabs.


LMAO what a big fucking oxymoron. They should go the fuck back to Yemen pronto, they ARE NOT indigenous of the Holy Land.

Nope, they should live wherever they want. In fact, I hope they travel to America and become my neighbors.

[StonyArabia]

Arab Muslims have more SSA admixture than Mizrahi Jews....

Yes still in the single digits stop trolling.

[Smeagol]

She probably does not like you saying the Israelites looked Arabid as she believes they looked East-Med.

Lol, they were definitely no East Meds.

[KidMulat]

Classify girl on the right

http://i62.tinypic.com/24ci8tg.jpg

Literally all the Yemeni Jews I have meet looked like her or they had tighter curls and more diamond shape faces.

I would say it may be due to like regional variation but these are cosmopolitan people and aren't villagers

[Smeagol]

Classify girl on the right

http://i62.tinypic.com/24ci8tg.jpg

Arabid with some Aethiopid influence.

[StonyArabia]

Lol, they were definitely no East Meds.

I agree, I believe they were Arabids based on all the evidence we have.

[Smeagol]

I agree, I believe they were Arabids based on all the evidence we have.

Yes, I also believe they were mainly Arabid.

[StonyArabia]

Yes, I also believe they were mainly Arabid.

The East-Med in the Levant came much later I would reckon. Jordanians ethnic ones are very Arabid, so they probably looked very similar to them since the Israelites did sprang up from there, same place where Northern Arabic appeared.

[Smeagol]

The East-Med in the Levant came much later I would reckon. Jordanians ethnic ones are very Arabid, so they probably looked very similar to them sine the Israelites did sprang up from there.

Yeah, that's true, Palestine, and Jordan in antiquity were part of the Arabid racial zone.

[KidMulat]

So is anyone of the mindset of a non-Arabian Peninsula origin of Arabs :-/

I honestly believe them to be ultimately Southwest Asians who were early migrants into the desert and Yemeni plateau.

[Longbowman]

Specialization is defined as: Evolved for a particular function; adapted to a limited range of resources. For example, a A German Nordid would be racially Closer to a Russian Nordid than to a German Alpinid.

Another example, the Australimorhphic Weddids are not genetically related to the Australids, but they they are morphologically and in their specialisation closer than to many other, even genetically closer, types. Race is primarily the specialisation, the process of evolution on a local, population level, its not just about genetic relations.

Even the Ainuids are racially closer to Europids, and Weddids than to the Japanese Mongolids. Even very early Europids would have non-Westeurasian ancestry.

Pseudoscience with no actual genetic relevance. It's like saying bison and wizents are more closely related to each other than wizents are to cows because they look alike.

[Longbowman]

Yemeni Jews are largely Tribal Yemeni Bedouin converted to Judaism many centuries ago. They have little to no SSA admix whereas Yemeni Muslims do have SSA admix. In fact, I doubt any true Israelite heritage in Yemeni Jews; they are more pure Arab than even Bedouins and Saudis.

Anyway, Boaz Mauda is a great singer, and an example of a Jew with an Arabid phenotype.

As demonstrated they're around ~5% SSA.

[Longbowman]

The only people that look like pure Ancient Israelites are Levantine Christians and Levantine Mizrahim.
Think about it..... "pure Arabs" should be "pure dark Caucasoids".....Arab Muslims have more SSA admixture than Mizrahi Jews.....Yemeni Jews are largely descendant of ethnic Yemeni Bedouin converted to Judaism many centuries ago.....hence Yemeni Jews are purest Arabs.

LMAO what a big fucking oxymoron. They should go the fuck back to Yemen pronto, they ARE NOT indigenous of the Holy Land.

I agree. Yemenites should return to Yemen. US whites should return to Europe. The French should return to fires of Hell. The Kalmyks should return to Mongolia. The AJs should return to Italy but also the Levant and North Africa. The English should return to northern Germany and let the Welsh take over the UK (Scots Gaels should piss off home to Ireland, too).

Mixed race people should just be shot, it's kinder to everyone and saves us a lot of maths. Right?

[YeshAtid]

Very true. I wonder why FaerieQueene thumbed me down?
She's jealous of not being Israelite ?

[Longbowman]

She's jealous of not being Israelite ?

Neither are the two of you, though.

[Yehiel]

Neither are the two of you, though.

Then who is?

[Longbowman]

Then who is?

No one but neither of them are full Jews anyway. Anglojew is 1/2 and YeshAtid is 1/4.

[YeshAtid]

Neither are the two of you, though.
A few of my relatives have been classified as Arabid, which is what the Israelites were.

[Yehiel]

A few of my relatives have been classified as Arabid, which is what the Israelites were.

Can you post a picture of what a arabid Israelite would look like? when i think of Arabid i think of ethnic Saudis and i have a hard time believe that israelites looked like them. I believe we are from what is now Iraq and most atheist believe that we were indigenous to canaan.

[YeshAtid]

Clearly non-Levantine.
Says the one who looks Persian. She's more Israelite than any Fakestinian terrorist.

[Longbowman]

A few of my relatives have been classified as Arabid, which is what the Israelites were.

If that's the criteria for being a 'pure Israelite' there are a lot of pure Israelites that live in the Levant and revere Mohammed.

[Yehiel]

No one but neither of them are full Jews anyway. Anglojew is 1/2 and YeshAtid is 1/4.

Ahh i understand, i thought you were implying that neither Palis or Jews are descended from Israelites.

[Longbowman]

Ahh i understand, i thought you were implying that neither Palis or Jews are descended from Israelites.

Depends on the Jew. Ethiopians aren't, Chinese, Bnei Menashe and Cochin partially are, Persians partially are, AJs/SJs partially are, Italkim/Romaniotes partially are, Berbers aren't, Krymchaks aren't, Karaites probably aren't, Subbotniks aren't, Igbo Jews probably aren't, House of Moses and other African converts aren't, Lemba partially are, Black Hebrew Israelites aren't, Yemenites partially are, and Iraqi/Syrian/Kurdish Jews are probably the most direct descendants of all.

[YeshAtid]

Can you post a picture of what a arabid Israelite would look like? when i think of Arabid i think of ethnic Saudis and i have a hard time believe that israelites looked like them. I believe we are from what is now Iraq and most atheist believe that we were indigenous to canaan.
Oded Fehr

[Yehiel]

Depends on the Jew. Ethiopians aren't, Chinese, Bnei Menashe and Cochin partially are, Persians partially are, AJs/SJs partially are, Italkim/Romaniotes partially are, Berbers aren't, Krymchaks aren't, Karaites probably aren't, Subbotniks aren't, Igbo Jews probably aren't, House of Moses and other African converts aren't, Lemba partially are, Black Hebrew Israelites aren't, Yemenites partially are, and Iraqi/Syrian/Kurdish Jews are probably the most direct descendants of all.

I agree non of us are in a sense full Israelite anymore and thats clear.. Ive said many times i think Iraqi Jews would be the best representation of all Jews what Israelites would of looked like.

[Longbowman]

I agree non of us are in a sense full Israelite anymore and thats clear.. Ive said many times i think Iraqi Jews would be the best representation of all Jews what Israelites would of looked like.

Kurdish Jews are probably the most Israelite-like of current Jewish populations.

[Yehiel]

Kurdish Jews are probably the most Israelite-like of current Jewish populations.

Why in particular kurdish?

[Stormer99]

The original peoples of the Levant looked Armenoid like Tony Shalhoub.

[Longbowman]

Why in particular kurdish?

Their genetics just seem to have the least affinity with their host population.

[Yehiel]

The original peoples of the Levant looked Armenoid like Tony Shalhoub.

Levantines do have a strong Caucasus components but i dont think pure armenoid, The Middle Easterns that get classified of Armenoid are distinct from Caucasus Armenoids.

[randomguy1235]

Says the one who looks Persian. She's more Israelite than any Fakestinian terrorist.

Whatever troll. I'm actually, phenotypically, representative of the Levant. The vast majority of "Jews" in Israel aren't.

[Yehiel]

Whatever troll. I'm much more phenotypically representative of the Levant than the vast majority of "Jews" in Israel.

The majority of Jews in Israel are Sephardi and Mizrahi.. Palestinians kill arabs thinking they are Jews.

[randomguy1235]

The majority of Jews in Israel are Sephardi and Mizrahi.. Palestinians kill arabs thinking they are Jews.

Ironic that foreigners like most Mizrahi claim to be of Leavntine descent when they look nothing like a typical Levantine.

[Yehiel]

Ironic that foreigners like most Mizrahi claim to be of Leavntine descent when they look nothing like a typical Levantine.

Genetically we are different from our host populations but most adopted the phenotype of their host population. You guys look no different from Jordanians and north Saudis. Are they Levantine?

[YeshAtid]

Whatever troll. I'm actually, phenotypically, representative of the Levant. The vast majority of "Jews" in Israel aren't.
Palestinians aren't Levantine. Most Jews are Mizrahi, native Levantines.
Capiche?

[randomguy1235]

Genetically we are different from our host populations but most adopted the phenotype of their host population. You guys look no different from Jordanians and north Saudis. Are they Levantine?

What utter nonsense. Have you ever even met a Pali before?

Here's a picture of me for reference, since I'm very representative of the typical phenotype (ignore the eye color):

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2857/12208549475_7fbf060245_c.jpg

[Longbowman]

Palestinians aren't Levantine. Most Jews are Mizrahi, native Levantines.
Capiche?

Capisce*

Mizrahis may have a lot of Arabid to them. Palestinians are certainly at least as 'native' as Mizrahis.

[YeshAtid]

Capisce*

Mizrahis may have a lot of Arabid to them. Palestinians are certainly at least as 'native' as Mizrahis.
Many Palestinians are recent immigrants. Mizrahim are as native as Yemenis are to Yemen.

[Yehiel]

What utter nonsense. Have you ever even met a Pali before?

Here's a picture of me for reference, since I'm very representative of the typical phenotype (ignore the eye color):

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2857/12208549475_7fbf060245_c.jpg

Look like a Mizrahi.

[Yehiel]

Many Palestinians are recent immigrants. Mizrahim are as native as Yemenis are to Yemen.

I would say a good number are immigrants, they tried to counter Jewish immigration with Arab immigration and this is a known fact that Palestini deny.

[randomguy1235]

Look like a Mizrahi.

Mizrahi are much darker and oreintalid than I am. The only Mizrahis I resemble are Syrian Jews

[Longbowman]

Many Palestinians are recent immigrants. Mizrahim are as native as Yemenis are to Yemen.

But most aren't, and those are the ones I'm talking about.

[Yehiel]

Mizrahi are much darker and oreintalid than I am. The only Mizrahis I resemble are Syrian Jews

You resemble some Iraqi, Lebanese, & Syrian Jews. Ive seen Euro Sefardi who look like you to.

[YeshAtid]

Mizrahi are much darker and oreintalid than I am. The only Mizrahis I resemble are Syrian Jews
:picard2:
He's darker than you?
http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/authphoto_110/59093_shlaim_avi.gif

[KidMulat]

Depends on the Jew. Ethiopians aren't, Chinese, Bnei Menashe and Cochin partially are, Persians partially are, AJs/SJs partially are, Italkim/Romaniotes partially are, Berbers aren't, Krymchaks aren't, Karaites probably aren't, Subbotniks aren't, Igbo Jews probably aren't, House of Moses and other African converts aren't, Lemba partially are, Black Hebrew Israelites aren't, Yemenites partially are, and Iraqi/Syrian/Kurdish Jews are probably the most direct descendants of all.

Some West African Jews and some Muslims do have Jewish roots.

At first I thought it was like the Ugandan Jews (acknowledged converts) but it turns out some of the Jews that'd come to Cape Verde continued their faith and that some "conversos" where practicing Judaism on the mainland after "going bush" and formally being adopted into various West African kingdoms.

Beyond that there are a thousand Malian people who descend from Jews from the 7th - 18th century including Moroccan Cohens and in Northern Niger.

[Stormer99]

Some West African Jews and some Muslims do have Jewish roots.

At first I thought it was like the Ugandan Jews (acknowledged converts) but it turns out some of the Jews that'd come to Cape Verde continued their faith and that some "conversos" where practicing Judaism on the mainland after "going bush" and formally being adopted into various West African kingdoms.

Beyond that there are a thousand Malian people who descend from Jews from the 7th - 18th century including Moroccan Cohens and in Northern Niger.


How much Levantine ancestry do they have?

[The King, I am]

I think he look what an ancient egyptian would look like, African admixture is clear.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ryskg3.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/2sb8lg0.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/2ebwle8.jpg

There is no African Admixture real ethnic Arabs are this Dark and look just like this

[Longbowman]

[QUOTE]Some West African Jews and some Muslims do have Jewish roots.

I mentioned the Igbo Jews. I didn't mention any Muslims as the question didn't concern them.


At first I thought it was like the Ugandan Jews (acknowledged converts) but it turns out some of the Jews that'd come to Cape Verde continued their faith and that some "conversos" where practicing Judaism on the mainland after "going bush" and formally being adopted into various West African kingdoms.

Beyond that there are a thousand Malian people who descend from Jews from the 7th - 18th century including Moroccan Cohens and in Northern Niger.

Alleged descent, but it seems possible, like the Bnei Menashe of Kaifeng Jews; partial male-line descent.

[Yehiel]

Some West African Jews and some Muslims do have Jewish roots.

At first I thought it was like the Ugandan Jews (acknowledged converts) but it turns out some of the Jews that'd come to Cape Verde continued their faith and that some "conversos" where practicing Judaism on the mainland after "going bush" and formally being adopted into various West African kingdoms.

Beyond that there are a thousand Malian people who descend from Jews from the 7th - 18th century including Moroccan Cohens and in Northern Niger.

I believe its been confirmed Lemba have middle eastern roots to.

[KidMulat]

I mentioned the Igbo Jews. I didn't mention any Muslims as the question didn't concern them.



Alleged descent, but it seems possible, like the Bnei Menashe of Kaifeng Jews; partial male-line descent.

Actually no it's recognized and most of the family who have descent in Mali and Niger have records (I mean its Timbuktu they have records of those things ) and if you need Europeans to make this valid and not "alleged" http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4845-daggatun.

The Jews in West Africa happened according to the priests

http://books.google.com/books?id=XHBjAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=Father+baltasar+barreira+senegal+law+of+moses&source=bl&ots=eGOr6NP6u7&sig=C4xChVCVVTxWSwEOJqHyqIPcjqM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EI7-Uvj4MsuFogTDnYHgDw&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

[KidMulat]

How much Levantine ancestry do they have?

No tests yet but probs small, I'd imagine its be more Berber with smaller amounts of Levantine since its Moroccan Jews mostly with only some Sephardic input.

[Longbowman]

Actually no it's recognized and most of the family who have descent in Mali and Niger have records (I mean its Timbuktu they have records of those things ) and if you need Europeans to make this valid and not "alleged" http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4845-daggatun.

The Jews in West Africa happened according to the priests

http://books.google.com/books?id=XHBjAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=Father+baltasar+barreira+senegal+law+of+moses&source=bl&ots=eGOr6NP6u7&sig=C4xChVCVVTxWSwEOJqHyqIPcjqM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EI7-Uvj4MsuFogTDnYHgDw&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

I always need Europeans to prove things. If a European didn't say it, there's no proof of it.

It doesn't matter to me how Judaean someone is.

[KidMulat]

I always need Europeans to prove things. If a European didn't say it, there's no proof of it.

It doesn't matter to me how Judaean someone is.

Hey what do you expect after calling centuries old genealogies recorded in the former most prestigious institutions/communities of higher learning in Islam just "allegedly"

[Longbowman]

Hey what do you expect after calling centuries old genealogies recorded in the former most prestigious institutions/communities of higher learning in Islam just "allegedly"

I refer to everything as 'alleged' until I've seen proof. I even specified earlier, when I made a reasonable assumption that was proved right about Yemenites, that it needed proof. If I demand proof of things I say, I'll sure as shooting demand it of things other people say.

Genealogies can be faked, you know that. Granting legitimacy, et cetera. But I believe your source, as I believed the Igbo Jews had Levantine descent because I saw evidence of it.

[YeshAtid]

I would say a good number are immigrants, they tried to counter Jewish immigration with Arab immigration and this is a known fact that Palestini deny.
Hush, the aravim think they're native to Shomron!

[Stormer99]

No tests yet but probs small, I'd imagine its be more Berber with smaller amounts of Levantine since its Moroccan Jews mostly with only some Sephardic input.

Then there's not much Hebrew descent in them.

[Maleficent]

I would say a good number are immigrants, they tried to counter Jewish immigration with Arab immigration and this is a known fact that Palestini deny.

Too bad for you plenty of Palestinians have large and centuries-long family trees and family history books to back themselves up. Not that we should have to prove ourselves. I mean, do Native Americans need proof?! (I have seen plenty of articles and historical accounts though and made my own opinion though. I agree there was a heavy Muslim immigration from surrounding Arab countries between the mid-1800s and mid-1900s. This fact shouldn't be used against the Native Palestinian Fellahin though, and it sure as hell shouldn't be used to justify the European Jewish and later Mizrahi Jewish immigrants that would later come to outnumber the native Palestinians).

[KidMulat]

I refer to everything as 'alleged' until I've seen proof. I even specified earlier, when I made a reasonable assumption that was proved right about Yemenites, that it needed proof. If I demand proof of things I say, I'll sure as shooting demand it of things other people say.

Genealogies can be faked, you know that. Granting legitimacy, et cetera. But I believe your source, as I believed the Igbo Jews had Levantine descent because I saw evidence of it.

You do realize that this is not a lineage to The Prophet, the Jews have been despised ever since Askia Mohammad I came to power.

To claim it may be faked would be like a Christian faking Jewish roots during the Portuguese Expulsion :-/

[YeshAtid]

Too bad for you plenty of Palestinians have large and centuries-long family trees and family history books to back themselves up. Not that we should have to prove ourselves. I mean, do Native Americans need proof?! (I have seen plenty of articles and historical accounts though and made my own opinion though. I agree there was a heavy Muslim immigration from surrounding Arab countries between the late 1800s and late 1900s. This fact shouldn't be used against the Native Palestinian Fellahin though, and it sure as hell shouldn't be used to justify the European Jewish and later Mizrahi Jewish immigrants that would later come to outnumber the native Palestinians).
I'm sorry but could you answer these questions ?http://www.drybonesproject.com/blog/D09524_1.gif

[Longbowman]

You do realize that this is not a lineage to The Prophet, the Jews have been despised ever since Askia Mohammad I came to power.

To claim it may be faked would be like a Christian faking Jewish roots during the Portuguese Expulsion :-/

Yes, I get it, but it could be they made it up, got invested, and then the Muslims came to power. Obviously that's not what happened, but it's plausible. Myths become real after a time.

[Smeagol]

Mizrahi are much darker and oreintalid than I am.

And thus, more native. Stop being so racist.

[YeshAtid]

And thus, more native. Stop being so racist.
Palestinians should go back to Bantuland, no?

[Smeagol]

Palestinians should go back to Bantuland, no?

Yes, it's a shame they're such white supremacists, especially Randomguy, and faeriequeene.

[KidMulat]

Then there's not much Hebrew descent in them.

Cohen lineage is there, regardless of how little its there.

[YeshAtid]

Yes, it's a shame they're such white supremacists, especially Randomguy, and faeriequeene.
FQ's an Arab nazi.

[Smeagol]

FQ's an Arab nazi.

Yeah, a real shame.

[Longbowman]

Cohen lineage is there, regardless of how little its there.

There's no definitive CMH, it's a correlation but it doesn't prove causation, though elevated numbers may hint at it.

[Maleficent]

I'm sorry but could you answer these questions ?http://www.drybonesproject.com/blog/D09524_1.gif

2. Mediterranean Sea in the west, Jordan River/Dead Sea in the east.

3. Jerusalem

6. Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek before Arabization; Palestinian dialect of Arabic after Arabization.

7. Before Christianity and Islam came along, ancient religions of Palestine was definitely Judaism and Canaanite Paganism.

8. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound

10. creation of Israel in 1948

Have I entertained you enough?!:laugh:

[Maleficent]

FQ's an Arab nazi.

Please, sir. I beg of you, sir. Please don't give me bad childhood memories and flashbacks, sir.

[YeshAtid]

2. Mediterranean Sea in the west, Jordan River/Dead Sea in the east.

3. Jerusalem

6. Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek before Arabization; Palestinian dialect of Arabic after Arabization.

7. Before Christianity and Islam came along, ancient religions of Palestine was definitely Judaism and Canaanite Paganism.

8. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound

10. creation of Israel in 1948

Have I entertained you enough?!:laugh:
Answer the first one.

[YeshAtid]

Please, sir. I beg of you, sir. Please don't give me bad childhood memories and flashbacks, sir.
Very droll. No one in family suffered at the hands of the Nazis. But Israel is sure destroying the Nazi Palestinian cockroaches darn well :thumb001:

[Maleficent]

Very droll. No one in family suffered at the hands of the Nazis. But Israel is sure destroying the Nazi Palestinian cockroaches darn well :thumb001:
Was referring to myself.

[YeshAtid]

Was referring to myself.
You should listen to Kahane and swivel to another Arab state.

[randomguy1235]

Yes, it's a shame they're such white supremacists, especially Randomguy, and faeriequeene.

Me/Faeriequeen a white supremacist? LOOOOL. I'm not even white.

[YeshAtid]

Me/Faeriequeen a white supremacist? LOOOOL
You think Orientalid Jews are scum:picard2:

[randomguy1235]

You think Orientalid Jews are scum:picard2:

Nah...I just think it's ironic that non-Levantine/cultural Jews believe they're living in their ancestral homeland :laugh:.

[Smeagol]

The original peoples of the Levant looked Armenoid like Tony Shalhoub.

Nope. Armenids come from the North.

[YeshAtid]

Nah...I just think it's ironic that non-Levantine/cultural Jews believe they're living in their ancestral homeland :laugh:.
You're from Jordan :lol: Israel is the Jewish homeland. Deal with it!

[Hanibalas Lekteris]

Nah...I just think it's ironic that non-Levantine/cultural Jews believe they're living in their ancestral homeland :laugh:.

It's even more ironic when someone whose ethnic group strongly clines towards Yemenite Jews (aka "non-Levantine/cultural Jews") states something of the sort.

[Maleficent]

Was referring to myself.

Was also sarcasm.

[YeshAtid]

It's even more ironic when someone whose ethnic group strongly clines towards Yemenite Jews (aka "non-Levantine/cultural Jews") states something of the sort.
Don't take umbrage from this deluded Arab's musings. Palestinians are descended from Bedouin tribes that settled in the Holy Land a few centuries after the native inhabitants, the Jews, were expelled by the Romans. He and his crypto Baathist "habibi" FairieQueene know this, but conceal this rather inconvenient truth.

[Maleficent]

It's even more ironic when someone whose ethnic group strongly clines towards Yemenite Jews (aka "non-Levantine/cultural Jews") states something of the sort.

Hmm....what?! Palestinians are culturally in common with Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians. Nothing more, nothing less.

[YeshAtid]

Hmm....what?! Palestinians are culturally in common with Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians. Nothing more, nothing less.
Genetically, they cline towards Bedouins and other Gulfers. You're not native I'm afraid.

[Hanibalas Lekteris]

Hmm....what?! Palestinians are culturally in common with Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians. Nothing more, nothing less.

"Palestinians" are a loose group, you must be more precise: Are you referring to muslim or christian Palestinians?

Palestinian muslims do have Judean ancestry, though they also carry a very strong Arabian component (along with SSA admixture on par with neighbouring muslim populations) which is why they overlap with Bedouins, Jordanians and Northernmost Saudis.

Actually I've just reviewed recent data confirming this, you might want to check it as well.

Christian Levantines seem to offer a better insight on the pre-islamic Levant's genetic landscape, but it isn't as if they didn't harbour arabian admixture albeit in much lower amounts (certainly not enough to make them cline towards Yemenite Jews, as their muslim brethren do).

[randomguy1235]

It's even more ironic when someone whose ethnic group strongly clines towards Yemenite Jews (aka "non-Levantine/cultural Jews") states something of the sort.

Stop being a disingenuous zionophile. You referencing one incredulous study doesn't change the fact that I contradicted those assertions with the admix sheets.

[YeshAtid]

Stop being a disingenuous zionophile. You referencing one incredulous study doesn't change the fact that I contradicted those assertions with the admix sheets.
Stop using convoluted language! You know you're not a native to the Levant, but rather the Gulf. Stay in Jordan and stop bothering Israel.

[randomguy1235]

Stop using convoluted language! You know you're not a native to the Levant, but rather the Gulf. Stay in Jordan and stop bothering Israel.

You think Yemeni Jews are native to the Levant?

[YeshAtid]

You think Yemeni Jews are native to the Levant?
Partially, but their Bene Israel lineage is small. I'm probably more native than them, and certainly more than a Palestinian.

[Longbowman]

"Palestinians" are a loose group, you must be more precise: Are you referring to muslim or christian Palestinians?

Palestinian muslims do have Judean ancestry, though they also carry a very strong Arabian component (along with SSA admixture on par with neighbouring muslim populations) which is why they overlap with Bedouins, Jordanians and Northernmost Saudis.

Actually I've just reviewed recent data confirming this, you might want to check it as well.

Christian Levantines seem to offer a better insight on the pre-islamic Levant's genetic landscape, but it isn't as if they didn't harbour arabian admixture albeit in much lower amounts (certainly not enough to make them cline towards Yemenite Jews, as their muslim brethren do).

FQ is Christian.

Could you link me the study?

[randomguy1235]

FQ is Christian.

Could you link me the study?

The same study aa100 (or ariel) posted innumerable times throughout his brief stay here; the outdated Moojrani study.

[Hanibalas Lekteris]

Stop being a disingenuous zionophile. You referencing one incredulous study doesn't change the fact that I contradicted those assertions with the admix sheets.

Another educated response from your part, I truly am speechless:

http://pichoster.net/images/2014/02/14/i%20didnt%20hear%20your%20question%204.jpg

Oh, and FYI: "admix" sheets (they're just called "spreadsheets") ≠ peer-reviewed studies.

Geddit?


FQ is Christian.

Could you link me the study?

I am already well-aware that her father is Palestinian Christian.

This is the study's supplement: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2014/02/12/343.6172.747.DC1/Hellenthal.SM.pdf

The authors have also put up a website, their data corroborates recent non-trivial SSA admixture in Palestinians: http://admixturemap.paintmychromosomes.com/

[YeshAtid]

The same study aa100 (or ariel) posted innumerable times throughout his brief stay here; the outdated Moojrani study.
Ariel's an Egyptian Jew who you continually bullied. Palestinians wonder why their "state" hasn't materialised :rolleyes:

[Hanibalas Lekteris]

The same study aa100 (or ariel) posted innumerable times throughout his brief stay here; the outdated Moojrani study.

The Moorjani et al 2011 study is anything but outdated (it is still being referred to, and a VERY recent study just corroborated its claims), you're just pissed-off because the study's conclusions disturb your biased views.

[randomguy1235]

:bored:

Why are you so determined to "disprove" our origins? I'm sure you're refraining from telling us your ancestry for a particular reason.

[Maleficent]

"Palestinians" are a loose group, you must be more precise: Are you referring to muslim or christian Palestinians?

Palestinian muslims do have Judean ancestry, though they also carry a very strong Arabian component (along with SSA admixture on par with neighbouring muslim populations) which is why they overlap with Bedouins, Jordanians and Northernmost Saudis.

Actually I've just reviewed recent data confirming this, you might want to check it as well.

Christian Levantines seem to offer a better insight on the pre-islamic Levant's genetic landscape, but it isn't as if they didn't harbour arabian admixture albeit in much lower amounts (certainly not enough to make them cline towards Yemenite Jews, as their muslim brethren do).
I'm well-versed in genetics. The majority of Palestinians used in genetic studies will be of course Muslim since the majority of Palestinians themselves are Muslims. I'm aware that the outcome of most of these studies tends to say Palestinians cluster with Northern Saudis and such but it would be nice if they would actually reveal what region of Palestine the subjects originate from. I can only assume from Gaza and Negev and it doesn't take genetics to figure out that those regions are least native anyway.

My paternal ancestry is full Palestinian Christian. :)

[randomguy1235]

I'm well-versed in genetics. The majority of Palestinians used in genetic studies will be of course Muslim since the majority of Palestinians themselves are Muslims. I'm aware that the outcome of most of these studies tends to say Palestinians cluster with Northern Saudis and such but it would be nice if they would actually reveal what region of Palestine the subjects originate from. I can only assume from Gaza and Negev and it doesn't take genetics to figure out that those regions are least native anyway.

My paternal ancestry is full Palestinian Christian. :)
It's very obvious that they're using skewed samples/Negev populations as a reference for Palis.

[Hanibalas Lekteris]

Why are you so determined to "disprove" our origins? I'm sure you're refraining from telling us your ancestry for a particular reason.

By "our origins", I assume you mean the claims about Palestinian Muslims being pure Levantine aboriginals, ain't that right?
Or am I missing something?

As my profile says, my ancestry is none of your business, just because you were raised with conspiracy theories doesn't mean everyone who happens to disagree with you is either a Crypto-Jew or a Zionist.

[Longbowman]

By "our origins", I assume you mean the claims about Palestinian Muslims being pure Levantine aboriginals, ain't that right?
Or am I missing something?

As my profile says, my ancestry is none of your business, just because you were raised with conspiracy theories doesn't mean everyone who happens to disagree with you is either a Crypto-Jew or a Zionist.

Indeed, I'm a Crypto-Jew and I agree with them on principal.

I mean, I don't deny genetic realities, and I don't think Palestinians are 100% true natives to the Levant, but politically, they're 'more native' than the current crop of Jews; but more importantly I think if you're born and raised someplace, you're native to that place. Those Israelis and those Palestinians and the Armenians and Circassians are all native to Israel. They've got to find a way to work together to combat the true enemy: the French.

[Hanibalas Lekteris]

I'm well-versed in genetics. The majority of Palestinians used in genetic studies will be of course Muslim since the majority of Palestinians themselves are Muslims. I'm aware that the outcome of most of these studies tends to say Palestinians cluster with Northern Saudis and such but it would be nice if they would actually reveal what region of Palestine the subjects originate from. I can only assume from Gaza and Negev and it doesn't take genetics to figure out that those regions are least native anyway.

If I can recall, I think most of the samples used in these studies actually came from the West Bank.
I'll try to check it out, but if my memory isn't playing tricks with me, then these samples are from the WB.


My paternal ancestry is full Palestinian Christian. :)

Palestinian Christians tend to cline towards Cypriots and cluster with Lebanese Christians and Druze, rather than their muslim brethren.
That in itself is pretty telling.

[Longbowman]

If I can recall, I think most of the samples used in these studies actually came from the West Bank.
I'll try to check it out, but if my memory isn't playing tricks with me, then these samples are from the WB.



Palestinian Christians tend to cline towards Cypriots and cluster with Lebanese Christians and Druze, rather than their muslim brethren.
That in itself is pretty telling.

It would suggest the Christians are fairly indigenous, right?

[randomguy1235]

Pali Muslims can't catch a break from this forum. First it's aa100, then Barberis, and now Hannibal. Who's next?

[Hanibalas Lekteris]

Indeed, I'm a Crypto-Jew and I agree with them on principal.

I mean, I don't deny genetic realities, and I don't think Palestinians are 100% true natives to the Levant, but politically, they're 'more native' than the current crop of Jews; but more importantly I think if you're born and raised someplace, you're native to that place. Those Israelis and those Palestinians and the Armenians and Circassians are all native to Israel. They've got to find a way to work together to combat the true enemy: the French.

I completely agree with the bolded part.

[YeshAtid]

Pali Muslims can't catch a break from this forum. First it's aa100, then Barberis, and now Hannibal. Who's next?
How about this? You stay in Jordan and we keep Israel.

[Maleficent]

If I can recall, I think most of the samples used in these studies actually came from the West Bank.
I'll try to check it out, but if my memory isn't playing tricks with me, then these samples are from the WB.Very interesting. What do you think of this then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans#Samaritan_origins_of_Palestinian_Muslim s_in_Nablus

Palestinian Christians tend to cline towards Cypriots and cluster with Lebanese Christians and Druze, rather than their muslim brethren.
That in itself is pretty telling.It's as if you've seen my father's GEDmatch results for yourself. :D