DNA: Turkmen is closer to Armenian? Central Asian more similar to Caucasus

[ButlerKing]

The Caucasoid proportion of Turkmen/Tajiks ( Central Asians ) and Armenian/Georgians ( Caucasus) is quite similar They all share the same 3 Iranic, Caucasus, European DNA the only difference is the Mongoloid component of East Asian, Siberians, Eskimo, Amerindian

So do you think they are more related with Caucasus than Turks of Turkey?

http://i61.tinypic.com/5ary53.jpg

[ButlerKing]

light blue = Caucasus

dark blue = European

Green = Iranian




3 out of 11 Turkmen samples ( 27% ) are 28.5% to 34% Mongoloid

2 out of 11 Turkmen samples ( 18% ) are 21% 23.5% Mongoloid

6 out of 11 Turkmen samples ( 54% ) are 15% to 20% Mongoloid

But I believe these studies were taken from the capital of Turkmenistan who had lot of contact with Iranians and brought million of Iranian slaves during the 17th - 19th century and therefore have the least Mongoloid admixture.

[Argang]

Just one correction friend.

light blue = Middle Eastern (arabid)
green = South Asian


and pretty much labeled as such by the researchers responsible for the study ;)

http://i62.tinypic.com/9rr69x.jpg

[Dynamo]

Just one correction friend.

light blue = Middle Eastern (arabid)
green = South Asian


and pretty much labeled as such by the researchers responsible for the study ;)

http://i62.tinypic.com/9rr69x.jpg
The "south Asian" for this includes the Gedrosia component which is actually west asian

[ButlerKing]

Just one correction friend.

light blue = Middle Eastern (arabid)
green = South Asian


and pretty much labeled as such by the researchers responsible for the study ;)

http://i62.tinypic.com/9rr69x.jpg

The light blue components here includes Caucasus not just Arabic

Every other study shows Arabic DNA in Central Asia or Caucasus is less than 5%

[Argang]

The "south Asian" for this includes the Gedrosia component which is actually west asian

Gedrosia is a component from Dienekes' runs that's quite different.

K12b's Gedrosia and South Asia are basically mixes of this run's South Asian and Middle Eastern/European (for Gedrosia) and South Asian + East Asian/Oceanian (for k12b South Asian). Easily seen in K12b's averages for example Brahui - part of the european component and the middle eastern component they show here is covered by into Gedrosia, while some eastern admix is covered by k12b South Asian.

Brahui here have over 30% european + middle eastern, in k12b they have about 16% because the excess sucked into Gedrosian component, which is as a result more "western" than the green South Asian component in the run shown here (similarly 12b's South Asian is more eastern because it contains East Asian and Oceanian).

[Argang]

The light blue components here includes Caucasus not just Arabic

Every other study shows Arabic DNA in Central Asia or Caucasus is less than 5%

The so-called "Caucasus" and "Southwest Asian" components are just parts of the same ancient middle eastern component (which is seen the above study). That's why Armenians cluster with other middle easterners rather than with europeans.

And the common admixture of arabs and caucasus peoples is seen in many studies, such as this admixture run from Lazaridis et al (2013) @ K=16 which just happens to be the optimal value in the study's admixture run.

K=16 is the value which minimizes the cross-validation error.

http://i60.tinypic.com/23iffd0.jpg

[ButlerKing]

The so-called "Caucasus" and "Southwest Asian" components are just parts of the same ancient middle eastern component (which is seen the above study). That's why Armenians cluster with other middle easterners rather than with europeans.

And the common admixture of arabs and caucasus peoples is seen in many studies, such as this admixture run from Lazaridis et al (2013) @ K=16 which just happens to be the optimal value in the study's admixture run.


http://i60.tinypic.com/23iffd0.jpg

Just as I though. Palestinian have so much purple and yet the Central Asian Tajiks with Arabic dna is less than 3% which is contradicting all your maps you posted previously.

Okay so maybe I've underestimated the Southwest Asian admixture in Armenia but it stills 10-15% not like the stupid chart that gave it like 50% unless it supposed to represent two components

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

[Argang]

Just as I though. Palestinian have so much purple and yet the Central Asian Tajiks with Arabic dna is less than 3% which is contradicting all your maps you posted earlier.

Okay so maybe I've underestimated the Southwest Asian admixture in Armenia but it stills 10-15% not like the stupid chart gave it 60%

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

There is no contradiction friend. Those pale yellow and purple components are both middle eastern, Palestinians and Armenians have over 30% of both (Turks have less purple than Armenians which means they have less Bedouin-like influences).

Your chart is from dodecad k12b which hides the common middle eastern ancestry of Caucasus and Arabia by splitting the Middle Eastern into Caucasus and Southwest Asian. You should trust peer-reviewed studies over amateur projects like real people do. No matter what, Armenians cluster with other middle easterners.

[ButlerKing]

There is no contradiction friend. Those pale yellow and purple components are both middle eastern, Palestinians and Armenians have over 30% of both (Turks have less purple than Armenians which means they have less Bedouin-like influences).

Your chart is from dodecad k12b which hides the common middle eastern ancestry of Caucasus and Arabia by splitting the Middle Eastern into Caucasus and Southwest Asian. You should trust peer-reviewed studies over amateur projects like real people do. No matter what, Armenians cluster with other middle easterners.

Other chart shows Armenians to be genetically very close to South European like the Greeks. I believe this is a study from Northern Armenia

17% North European admixture , 60% Mediterraneans , 5% Arabs, 7% Sardinanian

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2010/12/turk.jpeg

[ButlerKing]

I just want to make a point.

Armenians like the Greeks have from 5- 20% Brahui admixture but these are not the Brahui of Indians who make up the majority of the population who have like 35% South Indian admixture

The Brahui people of Pakistan are in a minority and have only 7% South Indian admixture and generally looks like this ( they also have 5% Arabic )

http://www.pak101.com/gallery/ActressesTv/Mahnoor_Baloch/2011/10/6/Mahnoor_Baloch_Picture_20_tdpzx.jpg
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4015/4577328695_586a8e4fe7.jpg

[Argang]

Other chart shows Armenians to be genetically very close to South European like the Greeks. I believe this is a study from Northern Armenia

17% North European admixture , 60% Mediterraneans , 5% Arabs, 7% Sardinanian


That's also a dodecad run which splits the middle eastern component. The brown component isn't med but another middle eastern component. Palestinians have similar amount to Armenians, and much more of it than Greeks. Greeks also have twice as much north european admixture, and about thrice as much Sardinian (this we could call med) than Armenians. Thus Greeks stay within European cline, and Armenians are with other Middle Easterners like Iraqis, Syrians, Palestinians etc.

http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2010/11/admixture-analysis-of-eurasian.html