Switzerland votes to reimpose immigration restriction for EU

[DeaththeKid]

EU pissed off

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/switzerland/10627452/Switzerland-votes-to-re-introduce-curbs-on-immigration.html

[Manifest Destiny]

Good!

[RussiaPrussia]

my german acenstry comes probably from switzerland. I support our brothers in the fight for freedom against EU

https://downloader.disk.yandex.com/preview/01b5eed4c67b3880b6ffbeced9df8558/mpfs/CziuhmRmbEQoyVGqz6695G9QIlzriTwCiSIbbpr1TfjaXXUx8D jOvGCerOMPA02pD5uN9c1ZwFHlh5r266a_Fg%3D%3D?uid=0&filename=FurtherEuropeanUnionEnlargement2png&disposition=inline&hash=&limit=0&content_type=image%2Fpng&size=XXL&crop=0

[Prisoner Of Ice]

How dare they.

[arcticwolf]

EU Politburo won't be happy about this!

[alb0zfinest]

my german acenstry comes probably from switzerland. I support our brothers in the fight for freedom against EU

https://downloader.disk.yandex.com/preview/01b5eed4c67b3880b6ffbeced9df8558/mpfs/CziuhmRmbEQoyVGqz6695G9QIlzriTwCiSIbbpr1TfjaXXUx8D jOvGCerOMPA02pD5uN9c1ZwFHlh5r266a_Fg%3D%3D?uid=0&filename=FurtherEuropeanUnionEnlargement2png&disposition=inline&hash=&limit=0&content_type=image%2Fpng&size=XXL&crop=0

lol

[Jackson]

Hehe, i like how the EU say they can't do it. Tough luck for them Switzerland can do what it likes.

I imagine it must be very annoying to look at a map of Europe with a Switzerland shaped hole in it if you're an EU bureaucrat.

[Graham]

Small democratic country, closer to it's people than any large Union. The popular choice won.

As I said before, direct democracy is a system, that should keep it's people happy.

[arcticwolf]

Hehe, i like how the EU say they can't do it. Tough luck for them Switzerland can do what it likes.

I imagine it must be very annoying to look at a map of Europe with a Switzerland shaped hole in it if you're an EU bureaucrat.

I agree must be very frustrating. Those mountain rednecks just can't see the wisdom of Brussels. Very sad indeed!

[Furnace]

I hope we follow in Switzerland's footsteps, but probably not. We are only a member of the European Economic Cooperation like Switzerland..

[Anglojew]

Listen to your unelected Brussels bureaucrats people!! They know best

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Small democratic country, closer to it's people than any large Union. The popular choice won.

As I said before, direct democracy is a system, that should keep it's people happy.

I am sure most countries would vote the same but they don't get a chance to.

[Leo Iscariot]

EU pissed off

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/switzerland/10627452/Switzerland-votes-to-re-introduce-curbs-on-immigration.html

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[curiousman]

Well done Swiss

[Graham]

I am sure most countries would vote the same but they don't get a chance to.

Yeah we had a poll in Britain in the News today. I think it would.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72877000/gif/_72877799_scotland_survey_464_1.gifhttp://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72877000/gif/_72877801_scotland_survey_464_3.gif

[Incal]

It's their right to choose whether they want or nor immigrants.

[Loki]

Eurocrat fury as Swiss 're-build walls' against EU immigration (http://rt.com/news/switzerland-eu-immigration%20vote-350/)

The EU has threatened to review all bilateral agreements with Switzerland if Bern goes all the way and blocks immigrant inflow. On Sunday Swiss voters narrowly approved the return of strict quotas for immigrants from within the EU.

"This is a turning point, a change of system with far-reaching consequences for Switzerland," Switzerland's justice minister, Simonetta Sommaruga, told reporters in Bern.

A 50.3 percent majority of Swiss voters approved the return of quotas for citizens of EU-member countries. However, while support prevails in Switzerland, Brussels is striking back with harsh rhetoric from its top officials.

Europe produced an acerbic response to the Swiss people's decision: “One thing is clear: you can’t take advantage of a big European internal market and stay outside [regarding] other questions at the same time. This is what we have to discuss with Switzerland now,” slammed Martin Schulz, president of the European Parliament.

Switzerland is not free to revoke agreements with the EU at will, said Schulz.

“For us, EU-Swiss relations come as a package,” echoed Schulz’s colleague, EU MP Hannes Swoboda. “If Switzerland suspends immigration from the EU, it will not be able to count on all the economic and trade benefits it is currently enjoying. We will not allow ... cherry-picking.”

Schulz went as far as threatening a renegotiation of the free movement contract that could result in return of bilateral border controls that “could affect the Swiss population and their free movement in the EU as well,” said the official.

Glyn Ford, former Member of the European Parliament, told RT: “The Swiss are perfectly entitled to pass this legislation.” He highlighed Switzerland's unusual position in Europe. “Switzerland is not a member of the European Union…it would be very different if a country inside the European Union made the same decision, because that would be a clear breach of the Treaty of Rome,” he added.

Ford commented on the move towards the far-right on the continent; it was the right-wing Swiss People's Party (SVP) which introduced the initiative. “In the European elections, in France, in Holland, in the United Kingdom at least, the far right parties will be either first or second in the European elections. This is a phase we’re going through; this is a consequence of the financial crisis.”

The voting could potentially have an enormous influence on Swiss business as the EU remains Switzerland’s major trading partner with $122 billion worth of Swiss goods bought in 2013.

Many transnational corporations, such as Nestle and Swatch, are registered and have headquarters in Switzerland.

Nearly a quarter, or 23 percent, of the 8 million Swiss residents are immigrants. Around 70,000 immigrants come to Switzerland annually. The majority of EU immigrants come from Germany, Italy and France.

'A stand for self-determination'

The ultra-right Swiss People's Party (SVP) proposed the ‘Stop mass immigration’ initiative to denounce the free movement of people pact with the EU that came into force in 2002 as part of a package of agreements.

“The nation has so courageously taken a stand for self-determination…We are not members of the EU and never want to be,” SVP strategist Christoph Blocher said in an interview with national newspaper 20minuten.

The party has repeatedly pointed out that the deeply-entrenched concern running through Swiss population that large numbers of immigrants contribute greatly to the aggravation of criminal landscape, rising rents, crowded transport and overall erosion of the traditional culture in the Alpine confederation.

“This is an enormously important decision because the direction must now be shifted,” SVP politician Luzi Stamm told Swiss television after the referendum. “The Swiss population have said that, instead of free movement of people, quotas have to be introduced.”

German party echoes Swiss sentiment

Switzerland is not the only European country to ponder limiting immigration into the country.

Germany's anti-EU Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) started calls on Monday for a similar law to be implemented in Germany.

"Independent of the content of the Swiss referendum, we should also create an immigration law in Germany which is based on the qualifications and integration abilities of the immigrants, and effectively prevents immigration into our social support systems," Bernd Lucke, AfD spokesman stated, according to Germany's Der Spiegel.

London is another European capital that appears to have entered a state of panic over the levels of foreigners wishing to immigrate into the UK.

Unlike Switzerland, the UK is an EU member state, so it has a free movement agreement with Brussels. The agreement is perceived as being a heavy burden on the British by many of its citizens.

With the general political mood in Britain being anti-immigrant, British PM David Cameron has proposed a variety of anti-immigration measures. He said in November that he would look to sympathetic EU governments to work on allowing member states to halt the number of arrivals if they exceeded a certain threshold. He also said governments could limit the annual number of EU migrants or withhold the right to full freedom of movement until specific countries achieved a certain per capita Gross Domestic Product.

There were laudatory comments from Britain on the Swiss anti-immigrant referendum. The leader of the UK Independence Party, Nigel Farage, congratulated the Swiss on having the “freedom to decide the number and skill level of who they wish to invite to work or stay in their country.”

The surge of immigrants is a pressing problem for a number of European countries, where immigrants prefer to keep their traditional lifestyle and refuse to integrate into the new society they come to live in.

The EU was well aware that the Swiss anti-immigration vote would be setting an example for other European nations.

“I fear a 'yes' from Switzerland would set off a further round of debate about free movement of persons in the EU,” Schulz told Swiss newspaper NZZ am Sonntag ahead of the national vote on immigration.

In recent years Switzerland conducted at least two more national votes that introduced measures against immigrants. In 2009 the Swiss backed a ban on construction of Muslim minarets. A year later, in 2010, Swiss citizens voted for automatic deportation of foreigners found guilty of serious crimes.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

It's their right to choose whether they want or nor immigrants.

Apparently not, since no one else gets to vote on it.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Yeah we had a poll in Britain in the News today. I think it would.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72877000/gif/_72877799_scotland_survey_464_1.gifhttp://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72877000/gif/_72877801_scotland_survey_464_3.gif

Funny too that the countries who've not experienced it much are more favorable to it. Once you understand what you will be getting now that anyone can easily travel from anywhere, you will support closing the airports and nuking the outside world just to be sure.

[curiousman]

I hope that Swiss example will be infectious

[Windischer]

aah, i cant go stealing jobs there
its funny, former westbloc countries are damaged by massive immigration (asylum) from 3rd world and hugely profit from immigration from former eastbloc (2nd world).
and yet, those people want to stop 2nd world immigration. idiots :D

[Äijä]

Love it. They also train their army against EU aggression or migrating masses from the future civil wars of Europe.

[Kiyant]

Love it. They also train their army against EU aggression or migrating masses from the future civil wars of Europe.

civil wars?

[Windischer]

civil wars?

fantasy ;)

[Äijä]

civil wars?

EU can never take power without using force against the citizens, it will be like Northern Ireland all over.

[Kiyant]

EU can never take power without using force against the citizens, it will be like Northern Ireland all over.

I dont think people throw their existant and peace away for something like that

[Loki]

The Eurocrats are having seizures.

[Äijä]

I dont think people throw their existant and peace away for something like that

For freedom? Many will always be sheep but many will not take it. Britain will most likely leave peacefully, those that stay in for the federation will not have an easy exit.

[Kiyant]

For freedom? Many will always be sheep but many will not take it. Britain will most likely leave peacefully, those that stay in for the federation will not have an easy exit.

What freedom i ask you?
Are you violently getting arrested for no reason?
Are your political leaders or nationalist leaders getting shot without a reason?
Or cant you speak out or travel whereever you want at any time?

People from the soviet union would laugh at this "no freedom" part and even they didnt rebel
(I also dont like the EU but we dont need to get weird ideas)

[Acquisitor]

Norway could be next btw.

Its amazing to see what a more advanced democracy is like. First they voted to make their asylum laws much more strict and now they voted for this.

I cant imagine someone even proposing such a referendum here in Belgium, he would be committing a political suicide.

[Loki]

Norway could be next btw.

Its amazing to see what a more advanced democracy is like. First they voted to make their asylum laws much more strict and now they voted for this.

I cant imagine someone even proposing such a referendum here in Belgium, he would be committing a political suicide.

Belgium is f*cked - the EU's bitch.

[Äijä]

What freedom i ask you?
Are you violently getting arrested for no reason?
Are your political leaders or nationalist leaders getting shot without a reason?
Or cant you speak out or travel whereever you want at any time?

People from the soviet union would laugh at this "no freedom" part and even they didnt rebel

It is getting there, the powers are being moved to the Union, then we will have federal police behind the door. They have weird provisions in the EU "constitution" for declaring martial law and use of force against own citizens.
EU force things on people, such as taking away our guns, forcing immigration on to nations and laws limiting freedom of speech.
You should look up on their future plans, they are trying to get a propaganda victory from the EU election, they will use it as legitimization to finish the job.

[Acquisitor]

Belgium is f*cked - the EU's bitch.


could it be that its the rest of Europe who's Belgian bitch ;) ?

[Äijä]

could it be that its the rest of Europe who's Belgian bitch ;) ?

That is like peeing in the pants for warmth in the winter, but you do have that peeing boy.

[Loki]

could it be that its the rest of Europe who's Belgian bitch ;) ?

More like the eurocrats in Brussels' bitch, not the Belgian people.

[Acquisitor]

More like the eurocrats in Brussels' bitch, not the Belgian people.

the eurocrats are idd not a part of the country, every time I drive through that district in Brussels I almost want to puke.

But, I assume that it does bring money into the local economy. Eurocrats live and work in Brussels, spend money in Brussels and so on.

Naturally the EU cost money to Belgium, there is no doubt about it.

[Loki]

Whatever happened to the Flemish will for independence? IMO Vlaanderen should go to Netherlands, Wallonia to France and Brussels become an EU city-state, much like the Vatican.

[Graham]

could it be that its the rest of Europe who's Belgian bitch ;) ?

What is the general view of rompuy down your way?

Haven't figured out what difference he has made.

[Acquisitor]

Whatever happened to the Flemish will for independence? IMO Vlaanderen should go to Netherlands, Wallonia to France and Brussels become an EU city-state, much like the Vatican.

in a few months we have elections, the party which wants Flanders to become independent is being bashed from all possible angles. The current socialist government which creates debt and unemployment is trying to prove that "they did a great job" and there is no need for the country to split up.

The upcoming elections will be interesting and very brutal imo. Everyone is against the NVA (Flemish independence party), you Loki on paper should be against it since its not a socialist party :)

One thing is certain: unless NVA manages to get (50%) which is impossible, it will be ignored and pushed aside, even if all other parties have to unite to form the government. Seeing the anti NVA marketing campaign in the media, I dont think that the party will get more than 25% or so, maybe 30% but never more.

Also, even if NVA gets 50.1% and may do as it pleases, Europe will never allow Flanders to become independent, they will threaten with sanctions (look at Swiss), they will boycott us and so on. The EU is a cancerous growth which is not showing signs of decline of any kind, unfortunately.

Brussels is a part of Flanders, and there is noway that someone will want to let it go. There is no reason to.

[Acquisitor]

What is the general view of rompuy down your way?

Haven't figured out what difference he has made.

there is no general view of this guy here, nobody cares about him, nobody knows what "the president of the EU" is doing and what his job is.

There is absolutely no "wow our Flemish guy is the president of the EU" feeling here.

[Loki]

Also, even if NVA gets 50.1% and may do as it pleases, Europe will never allow Flanders to become independent, they will threaten with sanctions (look at Swiss), they will boycott us and so on. The EU is a cancerous growth which is not showing signs of decline of any kind, unfortunately.


So much for democracy eh?

[Acquisitor]

So much for democracy eh?

the EU is a cancerous growth as I said.

A Belgian guy I know irl tried to laugh at the Olympics and all the corruption around it, while I do agree that there is no doubt about a % of the money disappearing during the construction of all those things, I told him that imo our Eurocrats can't even dream about an event with a $50b price tag on it.

Even if you build a house anywhere in the world and follow the construction with your own eyes, you will still be ripped off. Construction companies always put more materials/labor on the invoices than was actually used. It's the nature of the business, it's way too gray.

[Styrian Mujo]

Small democratic country, closer to it's people than any large Union. The popular choice won.

As I said before, direct democracy is a system, that should keep it's people happy.
Democracy is still a shity system in the end of the day, brutal ultra totalitarian monarchy is the right way to go.

[Acquisitor]

Democracy is still a shity system in the end of the day, brutal ultra totalitarian monarchy is the right way to go.

yet the democratic countries, despite of all of their flaws have achieved much more success in nearly every form of development.

[Graham]

Democracy is still a shity system in the end of the day, brutal ultra totalitarian monarchy is the right way to go.

hmm maybe where you live, it might seem better.

What I want is democratic freedom to communities. Land ownership devolved to local communities who own that land. True free democracy. Who can form their own ideas on direct democracy.

The ideas shown at the Isle of Eigg, is my idea of a nation. If done nationally.

[Styrian Mujo]

yet the democratic countries, despite of all of their flaws have achieved much more success in nearly every form of development.
Not really. For most of history western Europe was ruled by Kings it was under them that great economic empires were made upon wich western Eeuropeans could build their democracy and now you shove democracy upon nations such as the Yugoslavs who until 1918 were never ruled by their own kings nor had any significant states of their own but were simple peasants to the Germans and Turks. Democracy completly halted any progress we had in socialist Yugoslavia and it will probably never get better.

[Acquisitor]

Not really. For most of history western Europe was ruled by Kings it was under them that great economic empires were made upon wich western Eeuropeans could build their democracy and now you shove democracy upon nations such as the Yugoslavs who until 1918 were never ruled by their own kings nor had any significant states of their own but were simple peasants to the Germans and Turks. Democracy completly halted any progress we had in socialist Yugoslavia and it will probably never get better.

nobody is shoving democracy upon anyone, Yugo countries decided to follow that path by themselves by voting for people who proposed to have closer contacts with the EU.

Europe was poor while being ruled by the kinds and other disgusting figures, at least the vast majority of the population was poor. Study history: as the church's influence declined together with dictatorship regimes, Europe gained wealth and great inventions were made. We, the plebs, nobody's have never lived better than we do now.

[Styrian Mujo]

I would also like to add that the development and and the overall sucsess of democracy in northwestern Europe has to to with their overall mentality without wich democracy cannot function aswell as their genius crative and innovative minds wich power the economy.

[Acquisitor]

I would also like to add that the development and and the overall sucsess of democracy in northwestern Europe has to to with their overall mentality without wich democracy cannot function aswell as their genius crative and innovative wich power the economy.

democracy creates freedom of thought, and freedom of thought is the most important thing for progress. Even the Soviet leaders understood that and generally had given permission to go waaaaay beyond the usual boundaries for its engineers while working on important projects such as nuclear bomb.

its also exactly the reason why lets say the islamic world is such a pathetic miserable failure, there is no general freedom of thought, in fact its being suppressed in every possible way, one is being born into a prison with very very narrow hallways.

[Peikko]

my german acenstry comes probably from switzerland. I support our brothers in the fight for freedom against EU


Your German ancestry comes from your imagination, kazakh.

[Styrian Mujo]

nobody is shoving democracy upon anyone, Yugo countries decided to follow that path by themselves by voting for people who proposed to have closer contacts with the EU.

Europe was poor while being ruled by the kinds and other disgusting figures, at least the vast majority of the population was poor. Study history: as the church's influence declined together with dictatorship regimes, Europe gained wealth and great inventions were made. We, the plebs, nobody's have never lived better than we do now.
The life standard of modern western Europeans would not be possible without the suffering of their ancestors.

[Acquisitor]

The life standard of modern western Europeans would not be possible without the suffering of their ancestors.

yes, they suffered to remove the kings, to remove the church, to remove all other irrelevant things and their suffering has yielded results.

[Styrian Mujo]

democracy creates freedom of thought, and freedom of thought is the most important thing for progress. Even the Soviet leaders understood that and generally had given permission to go waaaaay beyond the usual boundaries for its engineers while working on important projects such as nuclear bomb.

its also exactly the reason why lets say the islamic world is such a pathetic miserable failure, there is no general freedom of thought, in fact its being suppressed in every possible way, one is being born into a prison with very very narrow hallways.

It all goes back to genetics, Democracy would never work among Afroasiatic mongrel societies, they need Islam to sustain some smiget of order. Do you think democracy will work when most of the population of western Europe will consist of non-native geneticaly inferior humans who are only good at being parasites.

[Styrian Mujo]

yes, they suffered to remove the kings, to remove the church, to remove all other irrelevant things and their suffering has yielded results.
You have a very simplistic way of thinking.

[Acquisitor]

You have a very simplistic way of thinking.

I have a simplistic way of thinking ? my way of thinking on this subject is based on facts.

if my way of thinking doesn't suit your agenda, then I'm sorry but let me put a few quotes from you (a representative of ex yugoslavia, which is currently probably the shittiest place in Europe).




It all goes back to genetics, Democracy would never work among Afroasiatic mongrel societies, they need Islam to sustain some smiget of order. Do you think democracy will work when most of the population of western Europe will consist of non-native geneticaly inferior humans who are only good at being parasites.

it may take them thousands of years but they will get there eventually. Genetics my ass, we are all the same human trash in this world.

genetically inferior humans ? lmao.

a few more quotes from your retarded thinking:


Democracy is still a shity system in the end of the day, brutal ultra totalitarian monarchy is the right way to go.


Not really. For most of history western Europe was ruled by Kings it was under them that great economic empires were made upon wich western Eeuropeans could build their democracy and now you shove democracy upon nations such as the Yugoslavs who until 1918 were never ruled by their own kings nor had any significant states of their own but were simple peasants to the Germans and Turks. Democracy completly halted any progress we had in socialist Yugoslavia and it will probably never get better.


:rolleyes:

[Acquisitor]

and one more thing:

what you are saying here is that you are genetically inferior yourself, since you represent a shitty poor country. I didn't say it, you did.


It all goes back to genetics, Democracy would never work among Afroasiatic mongrel societies, they need Islam to sustain some smiget of order. Do you think democracy will work when most of the population of western Europe will consist of non-native geneticaly inferior humans who are only good at being parasites.

While its clearly bullshit and you are clearly genetically as inferior or superior as an average German, culturally you are inferior, and your "thinking" in this topic clearly shows that. That kind of retarded thinking in is common in the third world, and is the main reason for its poverty.

[Styrian Mujo]

and one more thing:

what you are saying here is that you are genetically inferior yourself, since you represent a shitty poor country. I didn't say it, you did.



While its clearly bullshit and you are clearly genetically as inferior or superior as an average German, culturally you are inferior, and your "thinking" in this topic clearly shows that. That kind of retarded thinking in is common in the third world, and is the main reason for its poverty.
genes of the majority of the population of a given nation matter and they reflect in the culture of the nation, not all populations evolved under the same circumstances and environments,there is a natural genetic/biological hierarchy among humans and the Nordic-Germanic man is on the very top of it . Yes I am geneticaly inferior to your average German,Scandinavian,Brit,Dutch person etc.

[Acquisitor]

genes of the majority of the population of a given nation matter and they reflect in the culture of the nation . Yes I am geneticaly inferior to your average German,Scandinavian,Brit,Dutch person etc.

no you are not :)

you are mentally inferior which is curable.

[Loki]

yet the democratic countries, despite of all of their flaws have achieved much more success in nearly every form of development.

Switzerland is a real democracy, but of course the EU would have none of that. They don't like true democracy.

[Styrian Mujo]

no you are not :)

you are mentally inferior which is curable.
You can take a wog out of the balkans but you can't take the balkans out of the wog:)

[Machete]

EU should put sanction and embargo to Swiss, their secret criminal banks and their money which comes from the dictators and mafias around the world should come to an end.

[Acquisitor]

You can take a wog out of the balkans but you can't take the balkans out of the wog:)

you are not genetically inferior. stop talking about yourself like that.

also think about this contradiction in your logic, you say "north europeans are genetically superior, they created a democratic system but should go back to living under the king" = assuming they are genetically superior, don't you think that their choice of disregarding the king and other forms of severe oppression is a wise one ? and who are you inferior subhuman to tell them what to do ?

[Styrian Mujo]

you are not genetically inferior. stop talking about yourself like that.

also think about this contradiction in your logic, you say "north europeans are genetically superior, they created a democratic system but should go back to living under the king" = assuming they are genetically superior, don't you think that their choice of disregarding the king and other forms of severe oppression is a wise one ? and who are you inferior subhuman to tell them what to do ?
Well I guess you are right and this is the last phase of a passing race

[Tchek]

Also, even if NVA gets 50.1% and may do as it pleases, Europe will never allow Flanders to become independent, they will threaten with sanctions (look at Swiss), they will boycott us and so on. The EU is a cancerous growth which is not showing signs of decline of any kind, unfortunately.

Brussels is a part of Flanders, and there is noway that someone will want to let it go. There is no reason to.

I really don't think the EU is against Flemish independance, quite the contrary. De Wever is very much pro-EU, very liberal, pro-Merkel, and the cofounder of the NVA, Eric Defoort, is associated with scumbag Cohn-Bendit in an european party called European Free Alliance whose aim is to create an "Europe of regions" totally subjected to the EU.

[Äijä]

I really don't think the EU is against Flemish independance, quite the contrary. De Wever is very much pro-EU, very liberal, pro-Merkel, and the cofounder of the NVA, Eric Defoort, is associated with scumbag Cohn-Bendit in an european party called European Free Alliance whose aim is to create an "Europe of regions" totally subjected to the EU.

80-90% of the politicians support the federalist plan, voters need to be educated.

[Acquisitor]

I really don't think the EU is against Flemish independance, quite the contrary. De Wever is very much pro-EU, very liberal, pro-Merkel, and the cofounder of the NVA, Eric Defoort, is associated with scumbag Cohn-Bendit in an european party called European Free Alliance whose aim is to create an "Europe of regions" totally subjected to the EU.

the EU cant afford to have a country getting separated right in its heart. BDW can be pro anything, he can be Merkel's bitch, it doesn't matter imo. Belgium getting a surgery based on nationalism and money (poor south vs rich north) can not be tolerated by the EU.

[Äijä]

EU should put sanction and embargo to Swiss, their secret criminal banks and their money which comes from the dictators and mafias around the world should come to an end.

They might actually do that, that would just be against international law but I am pretty sure EU does not care.

[Jackson]

Funny too that the countries who've not experienced it much are more favorable to it. Once you understand what you will be getting now that anyone can easily travel from anywhere, you will support closing the airports and nuking the outside world just to be sure.

This is true. The Scots are basically where we were many years ago. They seem to see only the good side of immigration and not the bad sides as well, because England has taken the vast brunt of it for them, so i don't really value their opinions on the matter.

[Furia]

I was already impressed with their minaret ban, Switzerland certainly leads by example.

[Acquisitor]

I was already impressed with their minaret ban, Switzerland certainly leads by example.

yes, they also held a referendum against granting asylum to all the masses who entered their country from the third world, and as a result their asylum procedure has been changed.

[arcticwolf]

yes, they also held a referendum against granting asylum to all the masses who entered their country from the third world, and as a result their asylum procedure has been changed.

That's the way it should be the citizens of the country should decide the fate of the country, not some foreign politburo.

Swiss people seem to be in control of their country, it's a crying shame and a disgrace that this is not the case everywhere.

[Acquisitor]

That's the way it should be the citizens of the country should decide the fate of the country, not some foreign politburo.

Swiss people seem to be in control of their country, it's a crying shame and a disgrace that this is not the case everywhere.

yes....

a funny thing happens when I say this to Belgians irl or on Belgian forums. Many (but not all ofc) oppose such democracy. And their reasoning for this particular case is quite idiotic. They would say something like "but signed a treaty, we cant back off, we will be sanctioned!"

[Tchek]

that's submissive and psychorigid belgians for ya

Fuck the EU

[Manifest Destiny]

So why are the Swiss figuring things out but the Swedish, for example, are putting their national suicide into overdrive?

[cyrus]

Swiss is not even a EU member. so who cares. I don't. Last in my travel destinations list either. However, I cannot blame them for protecting "the swiss way of life, GDP/capita, bla, bla" against the hordes of potential migrants. Fortress Switzerland is notorious for neutrality and isolationism. Sort of Albania during Cold War.

[Graham]

So why are the Swiss figuring things out but the Swedish, for example, are putting their national suicide into overdrive?

Because in Switzerland, the common man/woman decides. In Sweden, the Political Bureaucrats.