Classify the last Arab ruler of Spain Muhammed XIII

[StonyArabia]

The last Arab dynasty of Spain was said to descent from the Lakhmids.

http://s3.postimg.org/gp4syjhhf/Muhammed_XII.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s21.postimg.org/4vptb42pj/index.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

[Smeagol]

Hard to say from those pictures, but looks predominantly (South?) Mediterranid.

[StonyArabia]

Hard to say from those pictures, but looks predominantly (South?) Mediterranid.

I think he shows Arabid strains. To me he looks very similar to the Arabs rulers of Dubai.

[Smeagol]

I think he shows Arabid strains. To me he looks very similar to the Arabs rulers of Dubai.

It's possible, The North African South Mediterranids specialised more to the desert without being as specialised as Arabids, though going in a similar direction, but with a better picture it would be easier to tell.

[Empecinado]

He was the last Arab ruler of Granada (a Muslim vassal state of Spain). I opened a thread time ago:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?99296-Classify-Boabdil-last-Moorish-king-of-Granada&p=2030778&highlight=boabdil#post2030778

[aherne]

Semitic (droopy eyes, fat lower lip_? Portrait is very formulaic, though, stylistically alike Orthodox icons.

[StonyArabia]

Semitic (droopy eyes, fat lower lip_? Portrait is very formulaic, though, stylistically alike Orthodox icons.

I agree he looks quite Semitic, his resemblance to the various rulers of Arabia is quite striking truth be told.

[Cristiano viejo]

Ruler of Spain :lol:
"No llores como una mujer lo que no supiste defender como un hombre" :thumb001:

[StonyArabia]

Looks quite Arabid indeed, it's amazing really.

[Empecinado]

Looks quite Arabid indeed, it's amazing really.

Not his ancestors:

http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy91/nt_1488/caras%20espanolas%201/alhambragranada2.jpg

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/revistapatrimoniohistrico83restauracinpinturasalha mbra-121118044930-phpapp02/95/restauracin-pinturas-sala-de-los-reyes-de-la-alhambra-ph-83-octubre-2012-1-638.jpg?cb=1353235855

[Ibericus]

Ruler of Spain ? Wtf, he was ruler of Granada, the only muslim reduct when all of Iberia was already Christian :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Spanish_kingdoms_1360.jpg

[dude]

Moor.

[SupaThug]

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[StonyArabia]

Not his ancestors:

http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy91/nt_1488/caras%20espanolas%201/alhambragranada2.jpg

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/revistapatrimoniohistrico83restauracinpinturasalha mbra-121118044930-phpapp02/95/restauracin-pinturas-sala-de-los-reyes-de-la-alhambra-ph-83-octubre-2012-1-638.jpg?cb=1353235855

Well it's easy to dilute Arab bloodlines, more so than say Amerindian, East Asian or SSA. The Ummyad Caliphs were mixed with local Visgothic females for example. Well then other dynasties afterwards took over, some were of Berber and others of Arab origins. The last dynasty claimed to be from the Lakhmids.

[lyllo]

this Arab quadroon is obsessed with South Euros lol

[Cristiano viejo]

this Arab quadroon is obsessed with South Euros lol
That is not the worst, worst of all is this bullshit of "last Arab ruler of Spain" :lol: when he was a vasal of Castile, a traitor of his own Moorish subdits and a true retarded. Calling him leader or ruler of whatever is an insult.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I thought he was a Berber.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

The moors were not so Arab, just some among them, some leaders=minority.

[Empecinado]

Well it's easy to dilute Arab bloodlines, more so than say Amerindian, East Asian or SSA. The Ummyad Caliphs were mixed with local Visgothic females for example. Well then other dynasties afterwards took over, some were of Berber and others of Arab origins. The last dynasty claimed to be from the Lakhmids.

The Arab lineages were a minority and were all mixed to some point, with Iberian, Berber, Slav and whatever. Of the 200,000 Muslims then living in city of Granada, only 500 were of Arab descent.

[Jerban]

Lol classifiying people from a non sense picture, the Last moorish Nasride King of Granada was of Zenati berber ancestry, the picture is incorrecte this people were redhaired from that the name Al Ahmar. And they looked Iberian maybe minor berber.

[Jerban]

The Arab lineages were a minority and were all mixed to some point, with Iberian, Berber, Slav and whatever. Of the 200,000 Muslims then living in city of Granada, only 500 were of Arab descent.

Considering that the muslims who enterred Spain were most likely 35%Sanhaji Berbers, 35%Zenati Berbers, 10% Masmuda Berber 5%Egyptians, 5%West Africans, 2% Arabians and the rest mixed between Levantines, Iraniens etc. The average moorish were probably 75% Iberian and 25% Mena. And the moors were about 15-25 of Spanish Population.

[Empecinado]

Considering that the muslims who enterred Spain were most likely 35%Sanhaji Berbers, 35%Zenati Berbers, 10% Masmuda Berber 5%Egyptians, 5%West Africans, 2% Arabians and the rest mixed between Levantines, Iraniens etc. The average moorish were probably 75% Iberian and 25% Mena. And the moors were about 15-25 of Spanish Population.

25% seems too high, probably was not more than 5-10% at most (including Slavs). The average Moor was phisically identical to the average Spaniard, that's why they were forced to wear distinctive clothes.

[Jerban]

25% seems too high, probably was not more than 5-10% at most (including Slavs). The average Moor was phisically identical to the average Spaniard, that's why they were forced to wear distinctive clothes.

5 is few Considering that Valencia for example had about 75% Moors. And southeastern part of Spain had à lot too, the regions with few moors are Catalunia, Castilia etc.

[Empecinado]

5 is few Considering that Valencia for example had about 75% Moors. And southeastern part of Spain had à lot too, the regions with few moors are Catalunia, Castilia etc.

Where do you get such numbers? Valencia in 1609 was 30% Moor (Moor means Muslim in Spanish).

[Vasconcelos]

5 is few Considering that Valencia for example had about 75% Moors. And southeastern part of Spain had à lot too, the regions with few moors are Catalunia, Castilia etc.

You're missing the fact that the vast majority of Muslims were ethnic Iberians who had converted, or born under Muslim Iberian families. They were not necessarily Berber, or even of Berber descent.

[Jerban]

Where do you get such numbers? Valencia in 1609 was 30% Moor (Moor means Muslim in Spanish).

I've read that somewhere I don't remember. In the 75% I included Iberians muslims and not.

[Jerban]

You're missing the fact that the vast majority of Muslims were ethnic Iberians who had converted, or born under Muslim Iberian families. They were not necessarily Berber, or even of Berber descent.

I know that, Iberian muslims were more numerous than non Iberian muslims.

[Empecinado]

I've read that somewhere I don't remremember. In the 75% I include Muslims Iberians and not.

Unless it was during Muslim rule (until 13th century), they are wrong for sure.

[Jerban]

Unless it was during Muslim rule (until 13th century), they are wrong for sure.

I'm talking about the Muslim rule era --'