Maternal Douglas McDonald Results

[JQP4545]

Most likely fit is 90.3% (+- 2.1%) Europe (various subcontinents)

and 9.7% (+- 2.1%) Mideast (various subcontinents)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

English= 0.900 Jewish= 0.100 or

English= 0.922 Armenian= 0.078 or

English= 0.911 Sephardic= 0.089 or

English= 0.915 Cypriot= 0.085 or

Germany= 0.877 Sephardic= 0.123 or

English= 0.932 Druze= 0.068 or

Germany= 0.863 Jewish= 0.137 or

English= 0.918 Georgian= 0.082 or

Germany= 0.885 Cypriot= 0.115 or

Germany= 0.906 Druze= 0.094

Second most likely fit is 100% Europe (various subcontinents)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

English= 0.846 Tuscan= 0.154 or

Germany= 0.794 Tuscan= 0.206 or

English= 0.893 Sicily= 0.107 or

English= 0.755 Romania= 0.245 or

Germany= 0.853 Sicily= 0.147 or

English= 0.812 Italian= 0.188 or

Lithuania= 0.557 Tuscan= 0.443 or

Poland= 0.664 Tuscan= 0.336 or

Germany= 0.688 Romania= 0.312 or

French= 0.467 English= 0.533



A better custom fit says



English 0.8661 Basque 0.0363 Jewish 0.0976 or

Irish 0.3353 French 0.6303 Jewish 0.0344 or

Irish 0.3647 French 0.5900 Sephardic 0.0453 or

English 0.8321 Spain 0.0827 Jewish 0.0853

[JQP4545]

Do you think my mom is really 10% Mideast? Her known ancestry is 12.5% Irish, 12.5% Welsh, 12.5% Scots Irish, 12.5% French Canadian, and 50% German (Baden-Wurttemburg Region).

[Argang]

Do you think my mom is really 10% Mideast? Her known ancestry is 12.5% Irish, 12.5% Welsh, 12.5% Scots Irish, 12.5% French Canadian, and 50% German (Baden-Wurttemburg Region).

Not at all, the reason she scores like that can be explained by South German ancestry which makes her considerably more southeastern than average English. She can be fitted as 75% English 25% Romanian too.

By the way, did you tell her known ancestry to McDonald?

[JQP4545]

Not at all, the reason she scores like that can be explained by South German ancestry which makes her considerably more southeastern than average English. She can be fitted as 75% English 25% Romanian too.

By the way, did you tell her known ancestry to McDonald?

Yes I said Irish, German and French Canadian. Maybe I should have specified which region of Germany.

[JQP4545]

He said the Jewish bit fits well, but I don't see it on other calculators.

[Argang]

Yes I said Irish, German and French Canadian. Maybe I should have specified which region of Germany.

His reference Germans are from the north, so that Germany + Tuscan probably is what she'd have gotten first if McDonald had done a custom fit for "Germany + other european"

[JQP4545]

His reference Germans are from the north, so that Germany + Tuscan probably is what she'd have gotten first if McDonald had done a custom fit for "Germany + other european"

But why are Germans from the South more Mediterranean than the North? Are they really 40% Tuscan? Could it be from the fact that Jews settled along the Rhine?

[Argang]

But why are Germans from the South more Mediterranean than the North? Are they really 40% Tuscan? Could it be from the fact that Jews settled along the Rhine?

Because South Germany is geographically closer to the Mediterranean, it's logical that the population shows some additional similarity to Italians compared to North Germans. The North/South difference isn't so extreme that South Germans could be described as 60% North German 40% Tuscan, in your mother's case French also pulls her towards Mediterranean.

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v21/n6/images/ejhg2012229f2.jpg

[JQP4545]

Because South Germany is geographically closer to the Mediterranean, it's logical that the population shows some additional similarity to Italians compared to North Germans. The North/South difference isn't so extreme that South Germans could be described as 60% North German 40% Tuscan, in your mother's case French also pulls her towards Mediterranean.

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v21/n6/images/ejhg2012229f2.jpg

Germany= 0.794 Tuscan= 0.206 or

Since half of my mom's ancestors were German, for this to work they would have to have been 40% Tuscan. Plus half the ancestors from Wurttemburg have Scandinavian and Anglo Saxon origin names so I think there is a bit of North German.

[Argang]

Germany= 0.794 Tuscan= 0.206 or

Since half of my mom's ancestors were German, for this to work they would have to have been 40% Tuscan.

No, because the non-south german side also has mediterranean pull from the French part.

Overall her total mediterranean isn't much, since "English= 0.846 Tuscan= 0.154" is an even closer fit.

[Anglojew]

Another anglojew?

[JQP4545]

Another anglojew?

Perhaps...

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[JQP4545]

No, because the non-south german side also has mediterranean pull from the French part.

Overall her total mediterranean isn't much, since "English= 0.846 Tuscan= 0.154" is an even closer fit.

A better custom fit says



English 0.8661 Basque 0.0363 Jewish 0.0976 or

Irish 0.3353 French 0.6303 Jewish 0.0344 or

Irish 0.3647 French 0.5900 Sephardic 0.0453 or

English 0.8321 Spain 0.0827 Jewish 0.0853

Even if all the German goes into the French category there is still a southern pull.

[Argang]

That's because those two fits have Irish which is less "med" than English in McDonald's group, you were fitted as English and French after all, and in those custom fits there's 3-10% variance for Jewish.

But I'm not denying the chance it might be real recent admixture. Have you done Eurogenes Jtest on gedmatch?

[JQP4545]

That's because those two fits have Irish which is less "med" than English in McDonald's group, you were fitted as English and French after all, and in those custom fits there's 3-10% variance for Jewish.

But I'm not denying the chance it might be real recent admixture. Have you done Eurogenes Jtest on gedmatch?

My mom is 37.5% Irish, Welsh and Scots Irish. 50% German and 12.5% French Canadian. So that Irish is what it should be.

[JQP4545]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.29
2 ATLANTIC 24.43
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 13.11
4 WEST_MED 13.09
5 EAST_EURO 9.32
6 EAST_MED 6.83
7 ASHKENAZI 3.62
8 WEST_ASIAN 2.9
9 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_&_Central_German 3.9
2 NL 4.21
3 English 5.14
4 Cornish 5.52
5 FR 6.99
6 Orcadian 7.7
7 DK 8.01
8 IE 8.42
9 AT 8.88
10 Scottish 9.46
11 NO 9.81
12 South_&_Central_Swedish 10.26
13 North_Swedish 13.83
14 PT 14.06
15 HU 14.58
16 ES 14.79
17 Serbian 15.8
18 North_Italian 16.97
19 RO 18.57
20 Tuscan 21.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.4% West_&_Central_German + 34.6% FR @ 1.46
2 81.5% NL + 18.5% North_Italian @ 1.75
3 80.9% West_&_Central_German + 19.1% ES @ 1.78
4 84.7% NL + 15.3% Tuscan @ 1.83
5 77.9% English + 22.1% North_Italian @ 1.84
6 80.3% West_&_Central_German + 19.7% PT @ 1.85
7 64.5% NL + 35.5% FR @ 2.02
8 79.2% NL + 20.8% PT @ 2.08
9 68.6% DK + 31.4% North_Italian @ 2.21
10 93.6% West_&_Central_German + 6.4% Sardinian @ 2.26
11 80.5% NL + 19.5% ES @ 2.27
12 82% English + 18% Tuscan @ 2.31
13 60.2% FR + 39.8% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.33
14 84.6% West_&_Central_German + 15.4% North_Italian @ 2.41
15 87.8% English + 12.2% GR @ 2.48
16 87.7% West_&_Central_German + 12.3% Tuscan @ 2.56
17 59.3% FR + 40.7% NO @ 2.59
18 90.3% NL + 9.7% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 2.63
19 80.7% English + 19.3% RO @ 2.65
20 90.8% NL + 9.2% GR @ 2.66

[JQP4545]

Which one is more accurate? The JTest or McDonald?

[Argang]

There is some kind of med in excess of British average, but your AJ is actually lower than many British Islanders here. You are just considerably more continental-like than British average which is to be expected with being over 60% French and South German.

[JQP4545]

There is some kind of med in excess of British average, but your AJ is actually lower than many British Islanders here. You are just considerably more continental-like than British average which is to be expected with being over 60% French and South German.

Yeah I guess, but what about the McDonald results? Why do people who are 100% Italian show up as 100% European, but my mom has 10% Middle Eastern?

[Argang]

Yeah I guess, but what about the McDonald results? Why do people who are 100% Italian show up as 100% European, but my mom has 10% Middle Eastern?

His program can do that sometimes, especially with people who have ancestry from different parts of Europe.

I've seen North Italian + Swedish mix end up part Near Eastern.

[JQP4545]

His program can do that sometimes, especially with people who have ancestry from different parts of Europe.

I've seen North Italian + Swedish mix end up part Near Eastern.

The segments he has labeled as Mideast are labeled as French and German by 23andMe so who knows...

[JQP4545]

Another anglojew?

Actually here are my results:

Most likely fit is 81.1% (+- 4.9%) Europe (various subcontinents)

and 18.9% (+- 4.9%) Mideast (various subcontinents)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

English= 0.860 Palestinia= 0.140 or

Germany= 0.837 Palestinia= 0.163 or

English= 0.805 Sephardic= 0.195 or

English= 0.781 Jewish= 0.219 or

Germany= 0.774 Sephardic= 0.226 or

English= 0.873 Bedouin_No= 0.127 or

Germany= 0.747 Jewish= 0.253 or

English= 0.851 Druze= 0.149 or

Germany= 0.851 Bedouin_No= 0.149 or

Irish= 0.727 Sephardic= 0.273

So yes maybe AngloJew2...

[Anglojew]

Actually here are my results:

Most likely fit is 81.1% (+- 4.9%) Europe (various subcontinents)

and 18.9% (+- 4.9%) Mideast (various subcontinents)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

English= 0.860 Palestinia= 0.140 or

Germany= 0.837 Palestinia= 0.163 or

English= 0.805 Sephardic= 0.195 or

English= 0.781 Jewish= 0.219 or

Germany= 0.774 Sephardic= 0.226 or

English= 0.873 Bedouin_No= 0.127 or

Germany= 0.747 Jewish= 0.253 or

English= 0.851 Druze= 0.149 or

Germany= 0.851 Bedouin_No= 0.149 or

Irish= 0.727 Sephardic= 0.273

So yes maybe AngloJew2...

That's great. We welcome both you and Germaniac to the tribe within a week.

[JQP4545]

MDLP:

Pct. Calc. Option 1

1 German-South 65.91%
2 British 24.69%
3 North-East-European 5.23%
4 West-Asian 3.36%
5 Saami 0.77%
6 Norwegian_V 0.02%
7 Swiss 0.02%
8 CEU 0.00%
9 Romania 0.00%
10 Roma 0.00%

[Sehnsucht]

Most likely fit is 90.3% (+- 2.1%) Europe (various subcontinents)

and 9.7% (+- 2.1%) Mideast (various subcontinents)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

English= 0.900 Jewish= 0.100 or

English= 0.922 Armenian= 0.078 or

English= 0.911 Sephardic= 0.089 or

English= 0.915 Cypriot= 0.085 or

Germany= 0.877 Sephardic= 0.123 or

English= 0.932 Druze= 0.068 or

Germany= 0.863 Jewish= 0.137 or

English= 0.918 Georgian= 0.082 or

Germany= 0.885 Cypriot= 0.115 or

Germany= 0.906 Druze= 0.094

Second most likely fit is 100% Europe (various subcontinents)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

English= 0.846 Tuscan= 0.154 or

Germany= 0.794 Tuscan= 0.206 or

English= 0.893 Sicily= 0.107 or

English= 0.755 Romania= 0.245 or

Germany= 0.853 Sicily= 0.147 or

English= 0.812 Italian= 0.188 or

Lithuania= 0.557 Tuscan= 0.443 or

Poland= 0.664 Tuscan= 0.336 or

Germany= 0.688 Romania= 0.312 or

French= 0.467 English= 0.533



A better custom fit says



English 0.8661 Basque 0.0363 Jewish 0.0976 or

Irish 0.3353 French 0.6303 Jewish 0.0344 or

Irish 0.3647 French 0.5900 Sephardic 0.0453 or

English 0.8321 Spain 0.0827 Jewish 0.0853

Hi JQP4545

Are these the Mcdonald results from your mother? Her results are very similar to my paternal grandfather's, he's "most likely fit" is something like 90% Europe/10% Mideast and his chromosome painting is almost identical to your mother's, a European base with some long Mideast segments.

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/Karl_Wittenberg_Full_20140213211020BGA1_zpscf91ea8 3.png

Not surprising since your mom and my grandpa also have a similar known ancestry, he is 50% German 50% French Canadian, maybe the Mideast we are getting has something to do with the French Canadian ancestry. Dr Mcdonald said that Mediterranean people show Mideast on their chromosomes, maybe FC is Mediterranean? I think as a rule the further South you go in Europe the more Mideast will probably show up on the chromosome view.

Did Dr Mcdonald comment on your Mideast segments? He told me that if he didn't comment on them they are as a rule weak. I think when he mentions a small amount Mideast in someones ancestry it means Southern or even Central European. For example English is made "German" by adding a small amount of Mideast hence a person who tests 90% English 10% Jewish is essentially Germany or near Germany.

[Argang]

Hi JQP4545

Are these the Mcdonald results from your mother? Her results are very similar to my paternal grandfather's, he's "most likely fit" is something like 90% Europe/10% Mideast and his chromosome painting is almost identical to your mother's, a European base with some long Mideast segments.

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/Karl_Wittenberg_Full_20140213211020BGA1_zpscf91ea8 3.png

Not surprising since your mom and my grandpa also have a similar known ancestry, he is 50% German 50% French Canadian, maybe the Mideast we are getting has something to do with the French Canadian ancestry. Dr Mcdonald said that Mediterranean people show Mideast on their chromosomes, maybe FC is Mediterranean? I think as a rule the further South you go in Europe the more Mideast will probably show up on the chromosome view.

Did Dr Mcdonald comment on your Mideast segments? He told me that if he didn't comment on them they are as a rule weak. I think when he mentions a small amount Mideast in someones ancestry it means Southern or even Central European. For example English is made "German" by adding a small amount of Mideast hence a person who tests 90% English 10% Jewish is essentially Germany or near Germany.

Apparently McDonald can also fit some Germans as mixes of Poles and Jews.

[Sehnsucht]

Apparently McDonald can also fit some Germans as mixes of Poles and Jews.

The Fuhrer would not be very happy about that, now would he? The so called "master race" being a mix of two breeds of subhumans

[JQP4545]

Hi JQP4545

Are these the Mcdonald results from your mother? Her results are very similar to my paternal grandfather's, he's "most likely fit" is something like 90% Europe/10% Mideast and his chromosome painting is almost identical to your mother's, a European base with some long Mideast segments.

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/Karl_Wittenberg_Full_20140213211020BGA1_zpscf91ea8 3.png

Not surprising since your mom and my grandpa also have a similar known ancestry, he is 50% German 50% French Canadian, maybe the Mideast we are getting has something to do with the French Canadian ancestry. Dr Mcdonald said that Mediterranean people show Mideast on their chromosomes, maybe FC is Mediterranean? I think as a rule the further South you go in Europe the more Mideast will probably show up on the chromosome view.

Did Dr Mcdonald comment on your Mideast segments? He told me that if he didn't comment on them they are as a rule weak. I think when he mentions a small amount Mideast in someones ancestry it means Southern or even Central European. For example English is made "German" by adding a small amount of Mideast hence a person who tests 90% English 10% Jewish is essentially Germany or near Germany.

I'd like to find more French Canadian results as a comparison. They seem to be a bit more Southern than you would expect. Maybe it has something to do with Huguenot ancestry.

[JQP4545]

Don't think I ever posted the Eurogenes K13:


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 5.91
2 German 6.06
3 Southeast_English 6.49
4 Dutch 7.89
5 Southwest_English 7.95
6 Orcadian 8.84
7 Danish 9.12
8 Irish 9.77
9 West_Scottish 10.08
10 Norwegian 12.16
11 Swedish 12.96
12 Spanish_Cataluna 13.13
13 Austrian 13.58
14 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.68
15 Spanish_Galicia 14.72
16 Portuguese 14.84
17 Hungarian 15.1
18 Southwest_French 15.18
19 Spanish_Cantabria 15.39
20 Spanish_Valencia 15.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.3% German + 30.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.84
2 73.3% German + 26.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.86
3 75.2% German + 24.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.9
4 68.4% Danish + 31.6% North_Italian @ 1.95
5 75.7% Southeast_English + 24.3% North_Italian @ 2.01
6 75.8% German + 24.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.02
7 69.1% Orcadian + 30.9% North_Italian @ 2.03
8 83.9% Southeast_English + 16.1% Greek @ 2.05
9 74.2% German + 25.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.1
10 80% Southeast_English + 20% Tuscan @ 2.18
11 80.7% Southwest_English + 19.3% Greek @ 2.2
12 73.1% German + 26.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.28
13 74% German + 26% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.29
14 50.7% French + 49.3% German @ 2.32
15 66.9% Irish + 33.1% North_Italian @ 2.32
16 74.1% Orcadian + 25.9% Tuscan @ 2.38
17 72.3% German + 27.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.44
18 85.8% Southeast_English + 14.2% South_Italian @ 2.46
19 58.3% French + 41.7% Dutch @ 2.47
20 75.5% Southwest_English + 24.5% Bulgarian @ 2.48

[JQP4545]

It doesn't really seem to match up. She is 37.5% Irish, with the people who are related to her on that side clustering closely with other Irish. She is 50% German. Half of that comes from the Rhineland and Palatinate regions. The other half comes from north/central area Wurttemberg. The remaining 12.5% is French Canadian with ancestors coming from all over, but mostly Northern, Central, and Western France.