Extreme blondes

[strongmagic]

I was wondering(because I have never seen it) if it is possible for an adult to be a platinum blonde naturally. Most people associate that hair color with young children and bleach but I thought maybe it might occur rarely in Adults. In Sweden it appears many adult women are that hair color but many may be light blondes to start with that bleach it lighter. If you know any examples that fit the description please post with pics. Thanks.

[Lars]

Ulrik Wilbek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrik_Wilbek) has always had this hair colour.
http://www.elmerdahl.dk/site/images/stories/Foredrag/ulrik%20wilbek%202005%20web.jpg

[Henry]

Yeah i've seen that. This typical Italian has natural light blond hair

http://loft1.weltfussball.de/bilder/spieler/gross/3440.jpg

[Falkata]

This typical Italian has natural light blond hair




:lie:

[Henry]

:lie:

:thumb down

[jerney]

Yeah i've seen that. This typical Italian has natural light blond hair

http://loft1.weltfussball.de/bilder/spieler/gross/3440.jpg

looks medium/golden blonde to me, not "light" blonde.

[Guapo]

:lie:

Here's another typical blond Italian

http://www.dajeroma.com/images/joomleague/players/basta.jpg
Edit: Shit, he's actually a Serb. The "uslecce.it" threw me off :confused:

[Falkata]

:thumb down

:thumb001:

[Henry]

Some more naturally light blond adults. I could only find Italians right now so here they are

http://www.slosport.org/images/novice/2008/0809nogvesnapredstavitev/nog_Vesna_predstavitev_57.jpg

http://www.ilsole24ore.com/feed/datasport/img/20091111191242-5848351.jpg

http://www.aolcdn.com/channels/02/02/4936c6eb-00329-05bba-400cb8e1

http://napoli2000.etereanetwork.com/public/Data/News/ignazio_abate-17467_2009624.gif

http://www.cronacheisolane.it/images/giro.italia.gasparotto.jpg

[Kadu]

http://www.ilsole24ore.com/feed/datasport/img/20091111191242-5848351.jpg



Don't tell me, those people in the background are gipsies, right?:D

[Falkata]

http://www.aolcdn.com/channels/02/02/4936c6eb-00329-05bba-400cb8e1

Platinum? :confused: His roots are not even blond

If we wanted pics of random blond people we could post any scandinavian around there, platinum blonde is different

[Henry]

Platinum? :confused: His roots are not even blond

If we wanted pics of random blond people we could post any scandinavian around there, platinum blonde is different

Does it look like this thread needs any help from pictures of Scandinavians? We're doing just fine with the current samples

[Falkata]

Does it look like this thread needs any help from pictures of Scandinavians? We're doing just fine with the current samples

Not, you are doing it awfully because most of your samples are not platinum blonde

[Falkata]

Don't tell me, those people in the background are gipsies, right?:D

They are italians of greek ancestry :lightbul:

[strongmagic]

I meant platinum blond and natural. I doubt natural platinum blonde hair would exist in Scandinavian aduts much less in Italy.

[Henry]

I meant platinum blond and natural. I doubt natural platinum blonde hair would exist in Scandinavian aduts much less in Italy.

Doesnt this guys hair look platinum blond enough for you? It looks natural too

http://www.slosport.org/images/novice/2008/0809nogvesnapredstavitev/nog_Vesna_predstavitev_57.jpg

[Falkata]

Doesnt this guys hair look platinum blond enough for you?

http://www.slosport.org/images/novice/2008/0809nogvesnapredstavitev/nog_Vesna_predstavitev_57.jpg

He looks bleached, you can see the dark hair in the sides of his head and also in the top. His eyebrows and bear are also much darker than his bleached hair.

the difference with a real platinum one is quite obvious
http://www.elmerdahl.dk/site/images/stories/Foredrag/ulrik%20wilbek%202005%20web.jpg
All his hair is the same colour, he hasn´t almost eyebrows and his facial hair is very light too

[Henry]

Its clearly natural. For some reason you dont want his light blond hair to be natural.
Heres another pic of him.

http://www.calciofvg.it/romans/foto/Leghissa.jpg

[Falkata]

Its clearly natural. For some reason you dont want his light blond hair to be natural.
Heres another pic of him.



Me? It was the other guy who said that it would be very strange to find platinum blonde people in Italy :p

[la bombe]

Some more naturally light blond adults. I could only find Italians right now so here they are

http://www.slosport.org/images/novice/2008/0809nogvesnapredstavitev/nog_Vesna_predstavitev_57.jpg

http://www.aolcdn.com/channels/02/02/4936c6eb-00329-05bba-400cb8e1


Those are very shitty dye jobs. And this one doesn't look "light blonde" to me

http://napoli2000.etereanetwork.com/public/Data/News/ignazio_abate-17467_2009624.gif

[Falkata]

Italy has a lot of good and famous football players. I wonder why Henryque is choosing some players who are mostly unkown even for the football fans . Maybe the great majority of italians are black or dark brown haired after all? :(

EDIT: I found that the blond platinum bleached guy is called "Michele Leghissa" and he plays beach soccer! LoL You have Del Piero, Inzaghi, Buffon, Nesta... but you choose a beach soccer player that nobody knows except you
You continue working really hard for you agenda

[Henry]

Is this better?

http://coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/swedish_football_girls.jpg

[Grey]

I was wondering(because I have never seen it) if it is possible for an adult to be a platinum blonde naturally. Most people associate that hair color with young children and bleach but I thought maybe it might occur rarely in Adults. In Sweden it appears many adult women are that hair color but many may be light blondes to start with that bleach it lighter. If you know any examples that fit the description please post with pics. Thanks.

What part of the US do you live in that you don't think platinum blondes exist? :confused: It's really not that rare where I live at least, and I know for certain that these people don't bleach their hair; my sister has hair so white it's actually hard to see the yellow tint to it. I thought it was fairly common throughout the south at least. A lot of the "white trash"/redneck types are actually naturally platinum haired.

[la bombe]

What part of the US do you live in that you don't think platinum blondes exist? :confused: It's really not that rare where I live at least, and I know for certain that these people don't bleach their hair; my sister has hair so white it's actually hard to see the yellow tint to it. I thought it was fairly common throughout the south at least. A lot of the "white trash"/redneck types are actually naturally platinum haired.

It's not unheard of where I live either. But overall yeah, I'd say it's rare for anyone over the age of 12. Even many, if not most, of the Northern European "platinum blondes" I've seen are just girls with ashen blonde or mousy brown hair who dye it to be more vibrant.

[Svarog]

Doesnt this guys hair look platinum blond enough for you? It looks natural too

http://www.slosport.org/images/novice/2008/0809nogvesnapredstavitev/nog_Vesna_predstavitev_57.jpg

Sorry but this Vesna dude is not a platinum blond :D

(Ignore this post, was funny to me only)

[Cail]

Dunno if that qualifies (strawberry rather than platinum), but here am i:

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5989/picture126y.jpg

[Bari]

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6659/20070402084247iglitare.jpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4376/iglitare.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7045/4441x.jpg

[Allenson]

I am extreeeeeeemmmeeee blond!

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/630/630882/hulk-hogan-interview-20050701022156947.jpg

[Lars]

I am extreeeeeeemmmeeee blond!

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/630/630882/hulk-hogan-interview-20050701022156947.jpg

Bald is not a hair colour. :D:D:D

[Comte Arnau]

Doesnt this guys hair look platinum blond enough for you? It looks natural too

http://www.slosport.org/images/novice/2008/0809nogvesnapredstavitev/nog_Vesna_predstavitev_57.jpg


Sure! Just like Cañizares'. It looks so natural too... And divine! :p

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_footballworldcup/CANIZARES_S_20060623_GH_R.jpg

[The Black Prince]

Some more naturally light blond adults. I could only find Italians right now so here they are

http://www.slosport.org/images/novice/2008/0809nogvesnapredstavitev/nog_Vesna_predstavitev_57.jpg

http://www.ilsole24ore.com/feed/datasport/img/20091111191242-5848351.jpg

http://www.aolcdn.com/channels/02/02/4936c6eb-00329-05bba-400cb8e1

http://napoli2000.etereanetwork.com/public/Data/News/ignazio_abate-17467_2009624.gif

http://www.cronacheisolane.it/images/giro.italia.gasparotto.jpg
The one below seems to be the only one being really lightblond.

Here is a selection of sportsmen from the Netherlands, two of them have what we call lightblond or 'whiteblond' hair (left-behind and middle-behind):

http://i45.tinypic.com/2e4awpt.jpg

And no, it isn't the sunlight. This is the guy from the middle-behind:

http://i47.tinypic.com/106msrp.jpg

[Majar]

Surprised nobody has mentioned Loki's muse, Carolina Klüft of Sweden. :wink

http://i47.tinypic.com/x6lohf.jpg

Norwegian explorer Fridtjof Nansen is another one with white blond hair.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Fridtjof_Nansen_LOC_03377u.jpg/413px-Fridtjof_Nansen_LOC_03377u.jpg

It must be pretty rare, those are the only two I can think of with that hair color.

[strongmagic]

What part of the US do you live in that you don't think platinum blondes exist? :confused: It's really not that rare where I live at least, and I know for certain that these people don't bleach their hair; my sister has hair so white it's actually hard to see the yellow tint to it. I thought it was fairly common throughout the south at least. A lot of the "white trash"/redneck types are actually naturally platinum haired.

I live in nyc. Don't get me wrong I see alot of light blonde adults but don't know if I can remember seeing a platinum blonde adult male. I don't really consider the women for these purposes and most people shouldnt either because if they have light hair to start with and they bleach it it will look completely natural so you may think you have seen alot of natural platinum blondes which could be light blondes with extra help. For example Tiger Woods wife appears to be a platinum blonde but she is not she may have a darker blonde hair color that looks realistic when bleached.

BTW why is my post turning into an Italy vs. Scandinavia war? I just wanted to see if there are natural platinum blonde adults around I don't care where they are from as long as they are authentic. If it makes you happy you can post Australian Aborigines lol.

[strongmagic]

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6659/20070402084247iglitare.jpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4376/iglitare.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7045/4441x.jpg

good example of a naturally light haired person who bleached their hair which is very common in America and even in Scandinavia.

[strongmagic]

Surprised nobody has mentioned Loki's muse, Carolina Klüft of Sweden. :wink

http://i47.tinypic.com/x6lohf.jpg

Norwegian explorer Fridtjof Nansen is another one with white blond hair.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Fridtjof_Nansen_LOC_03377u.jpg/413px-Fridtjof_Nansen_LOC_03377u.jpg

It must be pretty rare, those are the only two I can think of with that hair color.

Carolina hair looks slightly bleached and it gives off a mildish yellow color or maybe it is just me.

[Loki]

Boris Johnson, British politician. He got his blondism from his Anatolian (Turkish) village family, apparently.

http://electricityandlust.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/boris.jpg


Carolina hair looks slightly bleached and it gives off a mildish yellow color or maybe it is just me.

It's totally natural. That colouring is commonly seen in Scandinavia, but rare everywhere else.

[Loxias]

My housemate's girlfriend (kiwi of English and Danish background) has hair like that, and it's not a dye job, her eyebrows are litterally white and standout from her forehead by being lighter (and she is already very pale).
I also knew a Polish girl (from Gdansk, ironically) who had this complexion.

[strongmagic]

[QUOTE=Loki;150205]Boris Johnson, British politician. He got his blondism from his Anatolian (Turkish) village family, apparently.

http://electricityandlust.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/boris.jpg



It's totally natural. That colouring is commonly seen in Scandinavia, but rare everywhere else.[/Q

Ok I will take your word for it. Who is that guy above who looks like he is wearing a wig. What is with all the tongue and cheek about Turkish and Italian Blondes etc. I am late and don't understand where that feud or debate started.

[Stefan]

[QUOTE=Loki;150205]Boris Johnson, British politician. He got his blondism from his Anatolian (Turkish) village family, apparently.

http://electricityandlust.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/boris.jpg



It's totally natural. That colouring is commonly seen in Scandinavia, but rare everywhere else.[/Q

Ok I will take your word for it. Who is that guy above who looks like he is wearing a wig. What is with all the tongue and cheek about Turkish and Italian Blondes etc. I am late and don't understand where that feud or debate started.

Funnily it started in a thread about Iberians :D

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10527&highlight=spaniards

[strongmagic]

I think Boris Johnson is probably a light blonde who is dying his gray hairs blonde too or maybe his graying hair is giving him the platinum blonde effect. There is something about it that looks dry,dingy,and lackluster while Carolina looks shiny and vibrant.

[Henry]

Sure! Just like Cañizares'. It looks so natural too... And divine! :p

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_footballworldcup/CANIZARES_S_20060623_GH_R.jpg

I think this is a better and more famous example of a fake blond guy. (I wonder why he doesnt have blue eyes?)

http://www.football-pictures.net/data/media/222/Fernando_Torres_face_1.jpg

[Falkata]

Actually, Fernando Torres looks more "northern" (it such thing exist) than the whole italian national team
He is not swarthy at all, pale skinned, freakles and brown haired-eyed
A pic of him when he was 13 years old

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uz17kUwWAec/SG1C9twjeCI/AAAAAAAACFw/iPT6LE0Y8nM/s400/fernando+torres_playa1.jpg

[Stefan]

I've seen many Natural Blondes with brown or hazel eyes. Though it isn't common, it is possible. They aren't directly correlated.

[strongmagic]

honestly now can you guys please stop! My post had a theme and if you are posting on a different theme or trying to prove some point please do it somewhere else.

[Loki]

Who is that guy above who looks like he is wearing a wig. What is with all the tongue and cheek about Turkish and Italian Blondes etc. I am late and don't understand where that feud or debate started.

Boris Johnson is a natural blonde. The extreme blondism in his family comes from his ancestors from a village in Anatolia, it runs through the family.

[Fortis in Arduis]

I've seen many Natural Blondes with brown or hazel eyes. Though it isn't common, it is possible. They aren't directly correlated.

Yes, indeedy.

[Germanicus]

Here is my extreme blonde youngest son, he has my brown eyes.

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n449/ruffusruffcut/img006.jpg

[Kadu]

Here is my extreme blonde youngest son, he has my brown eyes.

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n449/ruffusruffcut/img006.jpg

Multiculturalism.:thumb down2 J/K:D

[strongmagic]

I just have to laugh. What are you going to do? Maybe the moderators should move this post or some of the posters to a comedy section that we should create. For the people who know real natural platinum blondes keep posting. BTW kids don't really count because many will not keep that hair color actually chances say they have a snow's chance in hell of keeping it. People of African, Native American, etc can be platinum blonde at a young age and I posted examples of that already.

[Stefan]

Alright to get back on topic I guess I will ask what color you would say my uncle's hair is. It definitely isn't platinum but it looks kind of whitesh in some areas. He was only in his late 20s though when this picture was taken so I don't think that is gray hair... Some parts of his hair look light brown while others almost white. Weird mixture of colors. http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs115.snc3/16251_1077759884287_1834960946_158030_3992618_n.jp g

[Murphy]

It's amusing how some people treat dying hair as such a crime against humanity. I might go colour my hair blond again just for shits and giggles, and go to Skadi and pretend to be a Swede-Nazi.

Regards,
The Papist.

[strongmagic]

Ok so this post was really not a success. Very few legit contributions.

[Stefan]

A guy I found on Wikipedia's hair color page.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Akseli_Kokkonen.jpg

[Majar]

Ok so this post was really not a success. Very few legit contributions.

You asked for pictures of adults with "extreme blond" hair and got a few good genuine examples, which you claim they are faked or not blond enough. I think you're under the impression that platinum blond = 100% pure white hair when it doesn't. Every blond has some yellow to their hair, even ash blonds. Most albinos don't have pure white hair.

[Majar]

http://i47.tinypic.com/v6uae0.jpg

Light blonde & some yellowish hairs. I'm sure it isn't bleached.

[strongmagic]

You asked for pictures of adults with "extreme blond" hair and got a few good genuine examples, which you claim they are faked or not blond enough. I think you're under the impression that platinum blond = 100% pure white hair when it doesn't. Every blond has some yellow to their hair, even ash blonds. Most albinos don't have pure white hair.

Some of the blondes posted were obvious fakes especially some of the Italians. Ash blondes would almost be irrelevant to this post because Ash blonde is on the dark side of blondes. The Swedish girl posted would be a fairly decent example.

[Artur]

After lots of hilarious fakes, specially from Italy(country where blondism is practically unexistant, specially the pure blond I'll post), here it is samples of a primary pure nation: Germany:

http://www.5-freunde-im-abseits.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/ramelow.jpg

http://www.bundesliga.de/media/images/bundesliga/clubs&spieler/05_bayer_04/personen/q_-_z/leverkusen_ramelow_345x468.jpg

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/pg2/2002/0602/photo/r_schaeffer_i.jpg

http://www.bundesliga.de/media/images/diverse/schaefer_345x468.jpg

http://www.fussballsammler.de/assets/images/Wembley_Karl_Heinz_Schnellinger.JPG

a nordic german among typical italians(dark haired/eyed)
http://www.gamlavykort.nu/artiklar/milan1968.jpg

a typical finn side by side with a typical italian
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KWVLgF4BueI/SxBhVzOLucI/AAAAAAAAYKw/OTfcQ8ysAVk/s1600/Mika+Salo.jpg

same finn
http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/viihde/555_px_x_325_px_kuvia/647255.jpg

german team with some "white" haired
http://www.moellers-hsv-eck.de/S%20Bilder%201967/eikon/mk.JPG

http://www.moellers-hsv-eck.de/S%20Bilder%201967/eikon/schwerin.JPG

http://www.moellers-hsv-eck.de/S%20Bilder%201967/eikon/libuda.JPG

http://www.moellers-hsv-eck.de/S%20Bilder%201966-67/may2.JPG

[December]

I was wondering(because I have never seen it) if it is possible for an adult to be a platinum blonde naturally. Most people associate that hair color with young children and bleach but I thought maybe it might occur rarely in Adults. In Sweden it appears many adult women are that hair color but many may be light blondes to start with that bleach it lighter. If you know any examples that fit the description please post with pics. Thanks.


Ulrik Wilbek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrik_Wilbek) has always had this hair colour.
http://www.elmerdahl.dk/site/images/stories/Foredrag/ulrik%20wilbek%202005%20web.jpg


Yeah i've seen that. This typical Italian has natural light blond hair

http://loft1.weltfussball.de/bilder/spieler/gross/3440.jpg

These are the 3 first posts from the thread. Henry, Henry, Henry... who are you? Do you exist? Honestly I thank you for existing, whether:

#1- you are just testing how long you can last in a forum

or
#2- you are into this quest for real.

I want to believe that you are here having a great laugh. I myself have laughed to tears reading that thread of "Should etc etc be considered etc etc". Honestly, don't let that thread fade away. But if you are not jesting, it scares the shit out of me... Really. I want to believe you were having the laugh of your lifetime when you wrote "This typical Italian has natural light blond hair"...

...You DO know that the guy you posted is not a typical Italian, not even the average Padanese, do you? And are you aware that he can hardly, but so hardly, qualify for an "Extreme Blond", aren't you? If you are not, you MUST snap out of it quickly, or else those ideas (that can already be perceived as deliriums) will undermine your mind to a point of no return.

[December]

I've seen the following pics you posted... you are either jesting (I hope, I hope) or you really are already in a spiral of delusion that sees blond people in some Southern Europeans who have their hair bleached or burnt out by the Sun. Honestly, you DO know that unless someone has been upbrought without a telly, Italy is not any more eligible to include in a quest for blondness than any other S.E. country, right?

Henry, you do know that on even the most alienated person, the first people that will pop out in his/her mind when asked about blondness, will be nordics, do you?

And you do know that common sense tells everyone that Italians are not any more "blond" than any other Southern Europeans, right?

[Loki]

...You DO know that the guy you posted is not a typical Italian, not even the average Padanese, do you? And are you aware that he can hardly, but so hardly, qualify for an "Extreme Blond", aren't you? If you are not, you MUST snap out of it quickly, or else those ideas (that can already be perceived as deliriums) will undermine your mind to a point of no return.

Indeed. And we have actually explored (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1766) this before on the forum. :coffee:

[December]

Henry, you do know that on even the most alienated person, the first people that will pop out in his/her mind when asked about blondness, will be nordics, do you?

And you do know that common sense tells everyone that Italians are not any more "blond" than any other Southern Europeans, right?

(I'll even quote myself, lol).

Henry, Henry. Listen, I'm not trying to cling to Italian "whiteness". I won't try to bring you down to this Iberian pit of swarthiness telling "Me not white, you not too". I will let Italy shine in all its splendour of whiteness. but just before I finish, let me tell you that when I think of extreme blonds, people like Rutger Hauer, Boris Becker or Schweinsteiger come to my mind. I don't know. Just common sense.

[Northern_Paladin]

I think golden or yellow blonde hair looks the best in women. The strange thing about Scandinavians is a lot of them can turn from Snow White to a light Brown. Perhaps it was the Neolithic farmers who infused the Scandinavian Race with the ability to tan?

[December]

when I think of extreme blonds, people like Rutger Hauer, Boris Becker or Schweinsteiger come to my mind. I don't know. Just common sense.
Hm... maybe Schweinsteiger dyes his hair...
http://www.skysports.com/Images/220177.jpg

Now I don't know if he dyes it brown or blond... I've seen him with both. And any colour can fit his phenotype.

[December]

I think golden or yellow blonde hair looks the best in women. The strange thing about Scandinavians is a lot of them can turn from Snow White to a light Brown. Perhaps it was the Neolithic farmers who infused the Scandinavian Race with the ability to tan?
Agrippa is The man to pose that question. He does research in that area.

(on topic: )

As they pop in my mind:

Ronald Koeman
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03_03/SoccerKoemanGET_468x628.jpg

Erwin (Ronald's brother) is not as extreme blond as him:
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08N62gI1Ch27H/610x.jpg

[December]

Karl Sanders

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/2317941/Karl+Sanders+1006600363_l.jpg

(I asure you he has eyebrows, lol)

[December]

Ari Vatanen

http://www.ilkansivu.net/Neste_Rally_Finland_2003/109_0961_Huolto_Ari_Vatanen.jpg

[December]

Dir Kuyt

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3498&stc=1&d=1262794155

[December]

Peter Schmeichel

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3499&stc=1&d=1262794394

... and his son, Kasper Schmeichel

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3500&stc=1&d=1262794503

[December]

Elena Baltacha

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3501&stc=1&d=1262795785

[Pallantides]

http://www.dittbryllup.dk/bunad/images/side_8.jpg0

[December]

Eidur Gudjohnsen

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3502&stc=1&d=1262796758

[Thulsa Doom]

Magnus Samuelsson, former strongman competitor.

http://tubensgalnacirkus.blogg.se/images/2009/fd16bc7bf1c8_32771447.jpg
http://www.stureplan.se/articles/8696/images/article_image_c018d37680244b9e.jpg
http://photos.posh24.com/p/407577/l/laila_bagge/laila_bagges_comeback.jpg

[Artur]

Dezembro, did you see the photos I posted? In some there were typical italians side by side with nordic types, and the difference is obviously enormous.

[December]

Dezembro, did you see the photos I posted? In some there were typical italians side by side with nordic types, and the difference is obviously enormous.

Yup. Perfectly normal.

[The Black Prince]

@december

Of the ones you posted on this and the former page, only Peter Schmeichel I would call whiteblond. The others are rather golden- or redblond (when staying out of the sun) and not whiteblond.

[Artur]

@december

Of the ones you posted on this and the former page, only Peter Schmeichel I would call whiteblond. The others are rather golden- or redblond (when staying out of the sun) and not whiteblond.

what about the ones in my post? :rolleyes:

[December]

@december

Of the ones you posted on this and the former page, only Peter Schmeichel I would call whiteblond. The others are rather golden- or redblond (when staying out of the sun) and not whiteblond.
I guess you are right.

My criteria were
#1 hair blond from root
#2 homogeneity ín color
#3 eyebrows of the same colour
#4 striking luminosity

Do you consider the tone too? I mean, only the white/platinum blonde?

[The Black Prince]

I guess you are right.

My criteria were
#1 hair blond from root
#2 homogeneity ín color
#3 eyebrows of the same colour
#4 striking luminosity

Do you consider the tone too? I mean, only the white/platinum blonde?

It is just that the others are just blond (though not Erwin Koeman he's light brown). What I mean with whiteblond is the extreme kind of blond. Among children it is common but it usually darkens ranging from a more medium blond to sometimes even darkbrown when approaching puberty or adulthood.


Uri Wilbek posted by Lars is whiteblond: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=149420&postcount=2

Beorn Nijenhuis posted by me is whiteblond: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=149772&postcount=31
http://home.deds.nl/~olympische_winterspelen/Nederlanders/Beorn_Nijenhuis.jpg

Klüft and Nansen posted by Majar are also good examples (As Artur said): http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=149870&postcount=32

Boris Johnson posted by Loki is another good example: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=150205&postcount=36

Artur posted some good examples, however some of them might fall more in the medium to light blond and not extreme/white blond: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=156068&postcount=57

You (december) posted Peter Schmeichel, which is also a good example as I stated before: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=156118&postcount=68

[Aino]

I don't know if these qualify for the purposes of this thread, but my dad was an extreme blond even by Finnish standards up to his late twenties/early thirties. After that his hair got more golden blond like mine is (I got the golden blond tone earlier).

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8594/dadhair.jpg

My brother has about the same colour as me, maybe a little lighter. But here it looks even lighter than what it usually does.

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5822/60965150.jpg

Yes, the afro is natural.

[December]

It is just that the others are just blond (though not Erwin Koeman he's light brown). What I mean with whiteblond is the extreme kind of blond. Among children it is common but it usually darkens ranging from a more medium blond to sometimes even darkbrown when approaching puberty or adulthood.


Uri Wilbek posted by Lars is whiteblond: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=149420&postcount=2
Beorn Nijenhuis posted by me is whiteblond: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=149772&postcount=31
http://home.deds.nl/%7Eolympische_winterspelen/Nederlanders/Beorn_Nijenhuis.jpg
Klüft and Nansen posted by Majar are also good examples (As Artur said): http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=149870&postcount=32
Boris Johnson posted by Loki is another good example: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=150205&postcount=36
Artur posted some good examples, however some of them might fall more in the medium to light blond and not extreme/white blond: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=156068&postcount=57
You (december) posted Peter Schmeichel, which is also a good example as I stated before: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=156118&postcount=68


I see.

Erwin Koeman I posted just to contrast with his brother, Ronald. Erwin is in the border of light brown / blond.
But I guess Ronald (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3506&stc=1&d=126282475 6) is an extreme example of "goldblond" then, correct? I mean, I can hardly distinguish his eyebrows from his face. He must be extreme... something. :D

[Artur]

I was reading a genetic article and it said that birds have a special pigment that makes the color appear as it was enlightened(iluminado in portuguese). The article claimed that there is a very rare specific human pigment that creates the same effect. It can be found on some pure redheads and (I think) in Ronald as well, don't you?

Pra mim, o cabelo dele parece bem resplandecente, nem entro no mérito da tonalidade da cor.

[The Black Prince]

I see.

Erwin Koeman I posted just to contrast with his brother, Ronald. Erwin is in the border of light brown / blond.
But I guess Ronald (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3506&stc=1&d=126282475 6) is an extreme example of "goldblond" then, correct? I mean, I can hardly distinguish his eyebrows from his face. He must be extreme... something. :D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1480000/images/_1484270_koeman150.jpg http://i.media.goal.com/g/28692_news.jpg

I would say redblond.;)

[Anglophile]

Doesnt this guys hair look platinum blond enough for you? It looks natural too

http://www.slosport.org/images/novice/2008/0809nogvesnapredstavitev/nog_Vesna_predstavitev_57.jpg

Be nice children, there is simply no room for Italians in a thread about light blondes let alone extreme blondes.

Heck its difficult to even find a pale white Italian.:D

Run along now...

[Foxy]

I think this is a better and more famous example of a fake blond guy. (I wonder why he doesnt have blue eyes?)

http://www.football-pictures.net/data/media/222/Fernando_Torres_face_1.jpg


Becouse at natural Torres is not blond, but brunette. He dyes his hair...

http://www.meteopb.it/forum/files/posted_images/user_23_fernando_torres.jpg

Ps: in Italy there are natural platinum blonds, which are the descendence of the germanic invasions. Some Romans were also blondes as well as many Italians, but in general you recognize - at least so do I- the descendents of germans becouse they have a lighter blond tone and different features.

For exemple Ignazio Abate for me has some germanic root:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/14/article-1206533-06040909000005DC-719_468x367.jpg
He also is from a town from southern Italy called Sant'Agata De'Goti (Sain Agatha of the Gothes), founded by Gothic invasors.

Totti, on the contrary, is a blond Italic:
http://francescototti.soccerstar.info/images%5Cplayers%5Cfrancesco-totti.jpg
http://wordwrite.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/francesco-totti-photos-007.jpg

If you consider also the 2nd cathegory as "blond", blond Italians are something like 20%, not so few.

[Falkata]

Totti is blond? :confused: He looks brown haired

[Foxy]

Totti is blond? :confused: He looks brown haired

Mmm, perhaps Totti is not a good exemple... Maybe Criscito is better.
Anyway they have closed the other topic about med. men vs nordic men.
So, to answer you, I don't like mediterranean men in general, when they are also short they are totally out of my canons. Kjaer maybe looks like a child, but I like this too, he has a fresh look, a clean face, on the contrary people like Cristiano Ronaldo, considered a sexy icon in all the world, is to me not attractive at all and most med men age worse and lose hair about 30-40 years.
I like men who are tall, with light skin, blond and if they have also blue eyes is even better.
I also dunno why you Spaniards feel so complexed that you felt in duty to answer. I was talking about Italian men in particular, not about Spaniards. Greeks, Balcanians, Romanians are also mostly med. but they didn't feel offended - I hope - becouse I have been critic towards my own country.


Ps: if nordic women like med men, I don't feel offended if they take even them all. I purpose them an exchange.

http://www.football-spot.com/blog/images/photos/ronaldo_1.jpg

1000 of these looking-like-gyspies for 1000 of these aryan vikings...

http://images.teamtalk.com/09/01/800x600/Christian-Poulsen_1809941.jpg

Let's see if nordic women agree.

You also gave them the statistics about the form of the noses of spanish people!!! Do you think I have not eyes? :rolleyes:

[Foxy]

Totti is blond? :confused: He looks brown haired

Daniele De Rossi and his family (Italian wife Tamara De Rossi):
http://euro2008girls.com/pics/tamara-de-rossi.jpg

Francesco Mariottini (dancer):
http://www.comune.jesi.an.it/opencms/multimedia/jesiit/images/upload/large/3/1245137990724_mariottini.jpg
http://media.libero.it/c/img52/fg/10/10712/2007/11/francesco_mariottini.jpg

Mirco Bergamasco:
http://www.lastampa.it/sport/cmssezioni/rugby/200710images/bergamasco_mirco01g.jpg

Ignazio Abate:
http://estb.msn.com/i/DD/DFB774E614A386BF3A360AAF2304E.jpg

[Amapola]

:confused:

[Ibericus]

1000 of these looking-like-gyspies for 1000 of these aryan vikings...

http://www.football-spot.com/blog/images/photos/ronaldo_1.jpg

looking-like-gypsies ? Come on, Cristiano Ronaldo had a cape verdian grandmother, he has recent black ancestry

[jerney]

looking-like-gypsies ? Come on, Cristiano Ronaldo had a cape verdian grandmother, he has recent black ancestry

He may have, but to be honest, he looks full European to me. Orange and over tanned, but European

[Falkata]

Daniele De Rossi and his family (Italian wife Tamara De Rossi):
http://euro2008girls.com/pics/tamara-de-rossi.jpg

Francesco Mariottini (dancer):
http://www.comune.jesi.an.it/opencms/multimedia/jesiit/images/upload/large/3/1245137990724_mariottini.jpg
http://media.libero.it/c/img52/fg/10/10712/2007/11/francesco_mariottini.jpg

Mirco Bergamasco:
http://www.lastampa.it/sport/cmssezioni/rugby/200710images/bergamasco_mirco01g.jpg

Ignazio Abate:
http://estb.msn.com/i/DD/DFB774E614A386BF3A360AAF2304E.jpg

And? What do you want? A reward? There are blondes in every european country and even in north african and middle eastern ones, i dont know what you pretend to show me exactly. I´m very confused now :confused:.
And yes, I think you have no eyes since straight noses in Spain are the most common type of nose by far. If you have any proof or study show it. If not, what are you saying is pretty useless. I know my country better than you

[Falkata]

And by the way, Cristiano is not a typical southern euro. I dont gonna discuss if he looks "white" or not wathever that means because its kind of subjective.
But Cristiano has a cape verdian granmother as Iberia said and he is from Madeira Archipielago , not from mainland Portugal.

"the most frequent mtDNA haplogroup in Madeira is H (36.2%), followed by U (19.4% including 3.9% of North African Berber U6), T (7.7%), pre-HV clades (7.1%) and K (6.5%). Two haplogroups, H and U5 alone account for more than 50% of the individuals. The relatively high frequency of sub-Saharan L haplogroups (13%) in Madeira is also consistent with the historical records of slaves being introduced in both the south of Portugal and in Madeira."

PS: I´ve just showed the "hot" blond guy who is under Cristiano to two of my flatmates (white american and english girls) and their opinion was "Ew" .
There are many goodlooking northerns , but you are choosing very bad examples i think

[Foxy]

And by the way, Cristiano is not a typical southern euro. I dont gonna discuss if he looks "white" or not wathever that means because its kind of subjective.
But Cristiano has a cape verdian granmother as Iberia said and he is from Madeira Archipielago , not from mainland Portugal.

"the most frequent mtDNA haplogroup in Madeira is H (36.2%), followed by U (19.4% including 3.9% of North African Berber U6), T (7.7%), pre-HV clades (7.1%) and K (6.5%). Two haplogroups, H and U5 alone account for more than 50% of the individuals. The relatively high frequency of sub-Saharan L haplogroups (13%) in Madeira is also consistent with the historical records of slaves being introduced in both the south of Portugal and in Madeira."

PS: I´ve just showed the "hot" blond guy who is under Cristiano to two of my flatmates (white american and english girls) and their opinion was "Ew" .
There are many goodlooking northerns , but you are choosing very bad examples i think

The mine was an exclusevely esthetic point of view, not a study. Between a med. and a nordic man I go for the nordic. Ronaldo is considered a sexy icon of the typical dark man, I put his pic couse you said you don't know Gabriel Garko (who is an Italian icon).
Anyway I don't see why you care so much of my opinion. You said that most women prefer med. men, so if you think it is true you should not feel offended if I like nordics, for maybe I belong to a minority.
Anyway, about med. people I think the most beautiful mediterranean women are from Italy, most beautiful mediterranean men from Spain.

[Foxy]

Actually, Fernando Torres looks more "northern" (it such thing exist) than the whole italian national team
He is not swarthy at all, pale skinned, freakles and brown haired-eyed
A pic of him when he was 13 years old

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uz17kUwWAec/SG1C9twjeCI/AAAAAAAACFw/iPT6LE0Y8nM/s400/fernando+torres_playa1.jpg

Totti isn't nordic, but don't try to make Torres pass for nordic.
When Totti was child he was far more nordic, or better, to me he seemed baltid:

http://files.nireblog.com/blogs/passioneitaliana/files/totti.jpeg

Torres, at most, looked celtic.

Then the whole Italian national team...

I have some doubs about. Still again, why do Spaniards have to compare themselves always with us Italians? :mad::mad:
I underline that this forum is not the first place where I notice Spaniards comparing with Italians and denigrate us. But, if you want to post pics of nordic Spaniards, post right pics.
My cousin when he was child looked identical to Torres without freakles and we have always call him "mediterranean", at most atlanto-mediterranean.

[Ibericus]

Extreme blonde spaniards :

http://www.elmolin.com/piraguasycanoas/kikovega/kiko06_vega_sella_.jpg

http://www.elmolin.com/piraguasycanoas/kikovega/entrenospalsellakikovega.jpg

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/509/jmmainat.png

[Neanderthal]

The mine was an exclusevely esthetic point of view, not a study. Between a med. and a nordic man I go for the nordic. Ronaldo is considered a sexy icon of the typical dark man, I put his pic couse you said you don't know Gabriel Garko (who is an Italian icon).
Anyway I don't see why you care so much of my opinion. You said that most women prefer med. men, so if you think it is true you should not feel offended if I like nordics, for maybe I belong to a minority.
Anyway, about med. people I think the most beautiful mediterranean women are from Italy, most beautiful mediterranean men from Spain.

All those girly looking guys you've posted aren't even Nordids, just de-pigmented Italians, I think you have to say you like blondes instead of saying you like Nordics. :D

[Tyrrhenoi]

I have some doubs about. Still again, why do Spaniards have to compare themselves always with us Italians? :mad::mad:
I underline that this forum is not the first place where I notice Spaniards comparing with Italians and denigrate us.

No nead for that.... I get along very well with the Spanish on this forum.
I must admit that we Italians are a little bit better and all... the size of our industry belongs to the G8 ,we make our own cars (no germans involved), we have better art, our kitchen is richer and eeh, our clothing is more modern.

:D Just a Joke Spanish people :D I am kidding :D
Man! I sound like a German :D LoL

[Foxy]

No nead for that.... I get along very well with the Spanish on this forum.
I must admit that we Italians are a little bit better and all... the size of our industry belongs to the G8 ,we make our own cars (no germans involved), we have better art, our kitchen is richer and eeh, our clothing is more modern.

:D Just a Joke Spanish people :D I am kidding :D
Man! I sound like a German :D LoL


It doesn't sound like a joke but like the truth.
Don't misunderstand me, I like Portuguese and Greek people, but Spaniards break too much the balls, they act like if they were gods on earth.

Who founded Europe? Greek-Romans.
The Renaissance? Italians.
The fascism? Italians.
The EU? Italians.
Who discovered America? Italians.
Who build the first nuclear reactor? An Italian.
Who had the best clothes? Italians.
Who had the best food? Italians.
Who built the Ferrari? Italians.

But insted of being satisfied and glorifing ourselves denigrating other nations, we prefer to critizise ourselves. Has any Italian writer ever written something good about Italians?

Ps: the Italian regions which have been dominated by Spain (ex Borbonic Kingdom) are now the poorest of Italy and southern Italians are still paying the bad politics of Borbons. That's a fact.

[Falkata]

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First, Italians didnt discover America. Colombus origin is still unknown and it was Castilla Crown (ships, sailors, money...) that discovered the new continent. Second, Italy was founded in the XIX century, so it´s a very new nation. Third, food is something very subjective, so it´s ridiculous
And southern regions were richer than northern ones in the XIX century and in the beginning of this one I believe, so you should check the history of your own country. If south Italy is one of the poorest european regions is your own fault, not ours. Spain left your country many centuries ago, you are acting like the hateful "latinos" (indians and mestizos) here.

[Bloodeagle]

I wish I was blond!:D

[Foxy]

First, Italians didnt discover America. Colombus origin is still unknown and it was Castilla Crown (ships, sailors, money...) that discovered the new continent. Second, Italy was founded in the XIX century, so it´s a very new nation. Third, food is something very subjective, so it´s ridiculous
And southern regions were richer than northern ones in the XIX century and in the beginning of this one I believe, so you should check the history of your own country. If south Italy is one of the poorest european regions is your own fault, not ours. Spain left your country many centuries ago, you are acting like the hateful "latinos" (indians and mestizos) here.

Yeah, bravo, good revisionist. Everyone knows that Colombus is Spanish and that Spanish food is so good that everything we know about it is the paella.
About southern Italy... NOPE, it is an your fault, becouse when all Europe, including northern Italy, was industrializing, your Spanish nobles were still mantaining the feudalism in southern Italy. To don't talk about Spanish inquisition that was worse of the Medieval one.
Now I go to eat.
Ciao!

[Neanderthal]

Yeah Spaniards didn't achive anything but this:

http://www.lrc.salemstate.edu/hispanics/pbus/mundo/images/spanish_empire_334.jpg

I think thats far more of an accomplishment that fucking pasta and ravioles.

Por cierto, va a jugar España, ire a ver el partido, vamos a ganar :D, ¡Viva España la Madre Patria! :thumb001:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PKSQNgvYlCY/SGYKDgk30GI/AAAAAAAAADQ/kEMlcoUrZG8/s400/BANDERA-ESPANA.jpg

[Tyrrhenoi]

I think thats far more of an accomplishment that fucking pasta and ravioles.


"Ravioli" no "ravioles":wink

Come on people! Spain and Italy should get along well! Come on!

[Neanderthal]

"Ravioli" no "ravioles":wink

That's how you call them in Spanish, don't blame for not speaking your sexy language.

[Ibericus]

edit
founding Europe ? When ?

If the only food you know about Spain is paella, then you don't know a fuck about Spain. I don't want to fight with italians, I defend them here in this forum.

[Tyrrhenoi]

I defend them here in this forum.

and I thank you for it :thumb001:

VIVA LA SPAGNA

[Foxy]

Yeah Spaniards didn't achive anything but this:

http://www.lrc.salemstate.edu/hispanics/pbus/mundo/images/spanish_empire_334.jpg

I think thats far more of an accomplishment that fucking pasta and ravioles.

Por cierto, va a jugar España, ire a ver el partido, vamos a ganar :D, ¡Viva España la Madre Patria! :thumb001:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PKSQNgvYlCY/SGYKDgk30GI/AAAAAAAAADQ/kEMlcoUrZG8/s400/BANDERA-ESPANA.jpg

And Italians had this:http://mikechristie.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/roman_empire_3951.jpg

And don't tell me that Romans were not Italians becouse it would sound ridicolous as 99% of modern Italians have a latin or neolatin surname.

[Neanderthal]

And Italians had this:http://mikechristie.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/roman_empire_3951.jpg

And don't tell me that Romans were not Italians becouse it would sound ridicolous as 99% of modern Italians have a latin or neolatin surname.

What is this? I thought it was a thread about extreme blondism and turned out into a flame war between an Italian chick and Spanish descendants. :confused:

Derailed, I won't keep arguing nosense, we shouldn't be fighting over this, seems very childish.

By the way im part Italian too, my grandmother surname is Motta, so I don't really have aything against Italians. :p

Relax a bit. :cool:

[Ibericus]

And a person who knows only pasta is anything more than a perfect ignorant?
Thanks to defend Italians, but it doesn't seem to me that you are doing that, starting from the fact the Spaniards were the people who wrote that geographically Spain has more landscapes than Italy, ethnically you are more Europeans, etc.etc.
I never said Italy has only pasta. And yes, Spain has obviously more landscapes than Italy, due to it's larger land and different climates. What I said is that western Spain has more in common with other Western Europeans instead of mediterranean countries like Italy, due to the Atlantic climate and because of culture and heritage



And, for your information, take note that Colombus was from Genoa and there is not doubt about.
That's the biography:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus

But answer to me, why in the Italian and English version of this same biography there is clearly written thet Columbus was from Genoa and ONLY IN THE SPANISH ONE IT IS WRITTEN THAT THE BIRTH PLACE ISN'T SURE??
I don't care if Columbus was spanish or Italian. The fact is that the Empire was part of Spain, not Italy. The conquistadors were Spaniards. The ships were spanish.

[Foxy]

What is this? I thought it was a thread about extreme blondism and turned out into a flame war between an Italian chick and Spanish descendants. :confused:

Derailed, I won't keep arguing nosense, we shouldn't be fighting over this, seems very childish.

By the way im part Italian too, my grandmother surname is Motta, so I don't really have aything against Italians. :p

Relax a bit. :cool:

Motta?

http://bacionline.com/linked/panettone%20motta%202.2lb.jpg

Ok, sorry but the temptation was too strong.
Ok, you are 1/4 Italian, Motta is a common surname in Italy, in particular in Northern Italy.
Stop fighting, peace.

[Amapola]

You are just in anger for some reason.

If you came to Spain you would get on nicely with us, we are probly the closer to you in the whole continent in many aspects and proud of our Latin heritage like no country in Europe.

If by saying we only have paella (you forget sangría and "tapas" lol), you feel nice: you should know you are feeding many cliches, similar to which you would also like to get rid of regarding Italy.

Colombus might have been Italian, it's certainly a gap in history, which makes me think he could be "a Jew"? :confused: however that man whichever his nationality was, was by no means the best "character" of that first massive European Conquest, but the name that apparently got all the glory. I am more interested in knowing why he was certain of finding the "Indies" to the West, - of which he obviously was (and likewise another interesting story emerges from that point, doesn't) than his nationality.

The rest of the points of your list don't deserve a comment.

For me Italy, along with Ireland is my favourite country by far.. Regardless of all their turbulences and mistakes, it is a country very hard to dislike once you know it, (along with Spain) excluding ulterior motives or stupid Internet conditioning.

[Tyrrhenoi]

I never said Italy has only pasta. And yes, Spain has obviously more landscapes than Italy, due to it's larger land and different climates.

Are you sure? the center of Spain is like the sahara.. ohh that's why you mentioned it, because it was so different.

http://technology4life.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/129345116_f8ee04927f.jpg


What I said is that western Spain has more in common with other Western Europeans instead of mediterranean countries like Italy, due to the Atlantic climate and because of culture and heritage

I don't want to fight over who's more white... that's fueling a fight:coffee:
By the way "Colombo" (Italian name) was from Genova ... some people claim that pizza is from Turkey.. stupide isn't it?

[Ibericus]

Are you sure? the center of Spain is like the sahara.. ohh that's why you mentioned it, because it was so different.

http://technology4life.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/129345116_f8ee04927f.jpg
No. Because Spain has a very diverse climate :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Spain-climate.png




I don't want to fight over who's whiter... that's fueling a fight:coffee:
By the way "Colombo" (Italian name) was from Genova ... some people claim that pizza is from Turkey.. stupide isn't it?
I never talked about who is whiter. I said, the western Spain has more in common with other Atlantic countries, than mediterranean, due to the atlantic climate, culture and heritage

[Falkata]

Yeah, bravo, good revisionist. Everyone knows that Colombus is Spanish and that Spanish food is so good that everything we know about it is the paella.
About southern Italy... NOPE, it is an your fault, becouse when all Europe, including northern Italy, was industrializing, your Spanish nobles were still mantaining the feudalism in southern Italy. To don't talk about Spanish inquisition that was worse of the Medieval one.
Now I go to eat.
Ciao!

Spanish Inquisition wasnt worse than the witch hunts in Germany for example, where thousands of women were executed. Again, check your history books and the black legend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend

And as I´ve said, South Italy was richer than the North one century ago, so if now it´s poorer it´s your fault. Mafia is an italian creation, spaniards didnt´create them ;) It´s not that difficult to understand, make an effort.
Again,I´m giving you facts while you are giving me random opinions

[Falkata]

Even when Colombus was from Genoa (something not proven yet, although our Italian angry girl says the opposite), Italy didn´t exist in the XV century, so Italians couldn´t discover America. Capicci? ;)

[Tyrrhenoi]

Stop fighting, peace.

Very good... :thumbs up


http://www.rockymtnintl.com/Images/Global/italian-flag.jpg

http://www.lunchcafe-studio2.nl/img/spain-flag.gif



:D

[Svanhild]

Who founded Europe? Greek-Romans.
The Renaissance? Italians.
The fascism? Italians.
The EU? Italians.
Who discovered America? Italians.
Who build the first nuclear reactor? An Italian.
Who had the best clothes? Italians.
Who had the best food? Italians.
Who built the Ferrari? Italians.

Thanks a bunch for founding(?) the EU. Not! Everything else you're mentioning is entirely subjective.


First, Italians didnt discover America. Colombus origin is still unknown and it was Castilla Crown (ships, sailors, money...) that discovered the new continent.
The Icelander Leif Eriksson discovered America as the first one around 1000 AD. Therefore both Spaniards and Italians can stop fighting about the second rank. :laugh:


I must admit that we Italians are a little bit better and all... the size of our industry belongs to the G8 ,we make our own cars (no germans involved)
Lamborghini is owned by Audi. Germans. :wink

[Tyrrhenoi]

Lamborghini is owned by Audi. Germans. :wink

touché.. :D:wink

[Falkata]

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The Icelander Leif Eriksson discovered America as the first one around 1000 AD. Therefore both Spaniards and Italians can stop fighting about the second rank. :laugh:



Well yeah the vikings arrived before it seems, I wanted to say "conquered" instead of "discovered"

[Groenewolf]

Well yeah the vikings arrived before it seems, I wanted to say "conquered" instead of "discovered"

Problem is of course that Leif's expedition came from a outpost, and his colony was in essence the outpost of and outpost. And even though the vikings had a great maritime tradition for their times, the vinlanders had many disadvantages.

First of all, the outpost of an outpost thing. It was unlickly that Erik, Leif's father could spare much men and women to strengthen the foothold his son had build. Even less to wage a war of conquest with the skralings.

Second, where they landed there was not much talk of gold to excite bold and adventurous second sons of the nobility to move out and bring the necessary forces for such a thing. Nor would the kings be inclined to rally the forces for such a thing. Even more so if more profitable targets where to be found closer to home.

[Foxy]

Thanks a bunch for founding(?) the EU. Not! Everything else you're mentioning is entirely subjective.


The Icelander Leif Eriksson discovered America as the first one around 1000 AD. Therefore both Spaniards and Italians can stop fighting about the second rank. :laugh:

Lamborghini is owned by Audi. Germans. :wink

Oh my God, it's arrvived the barbars of Europe. Yes, Vikings went to Labrador for first, and in 2 generations they have been exterminated by natives. Spaniards who went there with the Italian explorers are still there. Not only, many countries in America own the name of some italian explorer:

America from Amerigo Vespucci
Venezuela from Vespucci (the land of the Venecian)
Columbia from Columbus

Now don't let me start a fight also with Germans becouse Germans have a bif cultural debt with southern Europe. The dispute between Spaniards and Italians was an "internal affair".

To Spaniards:
I think that Italy has many climates as well, from sub-tropical until eternal snows.

http://lnx.ilpolline.it/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/clima.jpg

But Spain extends more in longitute, Italy more in latitude.

Anyway doubts about the nationality of Columbus exist only in Spain.
This is a monument in Genoa, there is written: "To Crisoforo Colombo by his fatherland"

http://www.sullacrestadellonda.it/monumenti/images/colombo_genova.jpg

Even if he was Jew, he was Italian the same. Jew is a religion, some Jews stayed here from Roman epoque.

Anyway I think we should open a specific topic for this speech, becouse this is not the right one. Italians like Spaniards too by the way, anyway also Romanians are very proud of their Latin heritage.
And if we opened a section only for neo-latins? :rolleyes:

[Foxy]

Problem is of course that Leif's expedition came from a outpost, and his colony was in essence the outpost of and outpost. And even though the vikings had a great martime tradition for their times, the vinlanders had many disadvantges.

First of all, the outpost of an outpost thing. It was unlickly that Erik, Leif's father could spare much men and women to strengthen the foothold his son had build. Even less to wage a war of conquest with the skralings.

Second, where they landend there was not much talk of gold to excite bold and adventerous second sons of the nobility to move out and bring the nessary forces for such a thing. Nor would the kings be inclinded to ralley the forces for such a thing. Even more so if more profitable targets where to be found closer to home.

The difference between a conqueror people and a disorganized people is this. If we want to say everything, Labrador was far closer to Iceland than the Bahamas to Spain, but Spaniards were able to mantain the outpost, Vikings didn't.

[Foxy]

Lamborghini is owned by Audi. Germans. :wink

It's like to say that the Chrysler is Italian becouse FIAT owns it.

[Groenewolf]

The difference between a conqueror people and a disorganized people is this. If we want to say everything, Labrador was far closer to Iceland than the Bahamas to Spain, but Spaniards were able to mantain the outpost, Vikings didn't.

You are probably correct in this. However Iceland itself was not a society capable of organizing a large scale attempt. And the Scandinavian kings who might have been able to build up a proper expedition of conquest would have found it a pretty uninteresting target judging from the few stories they would have heard about it. Like I said the Spanish sponsored explorers brought back with them tales of gold, even of an El Dorado, what did the few Icelandic merchants brought back with them; not enough to make would-be conquers interested.

So in the end it came down to what Greenland and Vinland had to offer. And regrettably for them it was very little. Now if Icelandic merchants brought back tales of large hordes of gold to be found, then the kings of Scandinavia would have gained a great intresset in this outpost and it would served as a stopping station for the military forces sent out to conquer the lands and seize the gold.

[Foxy]

Iceland itself was not a society capable of organizing a large scale attempt.

I agree 100% :thumb001:



So in the end it came down to what Greenland and Vinland had to offer. And regrettably for them it was very little. Now if Icelandic merchants brought back tales of large hordes of gold to be found, then the kings of Scandinavia would have gained a great intresset in this outpost and it would served as a stopping station for the military forces sent out to conquer the lands and seize the gold.

Frenchs arrived in Canada too, but though there was no gold, they stayed (same for English in New England).
You can't wait that the gold rains from the sky, you have to invent a way to establish an economic system also where natural resources are few. For exemple British, until the Gold-rush, established an agricultural and industrial economy (at the time of Vikings industrialization was not happened yet, but they could establish trades or breeding. The truth is that they were nor able becouse they were barbars and used only to raid).
Besides if Vikings were so great sailors, they could start routs also southernmore, in search of better climates or simply to explore, as it has been made by Portugueses, English, Spaniards, Dutches. etc etc...

Ps: Spaniards arrived to the Bahamas, not in California, and it was Columbus to persuade the Crown that it could born something good from the conquest of that new land.

[Groenewolf]

[...]

I will later on go with this stimulating debate. I need to focus some more time on studying for a examination I have tomorrow and have to pass to stay a bit on schedule.

[Foxy]

I will later on go with this stimulating debate. I need to focus some more time on studying for a examination I have tomorrow and have to pass to stay a bit on schedule.

Ahem... You have just remembered me that this afternoon I have an exam (about American history for the truth, so we are in theme). I have to run away, ciao ciao!:wink

[Amapola]

To Spaniards:
I think that Italy has many climates as well, from sub-tropical until eternal snows.

http://lnx.ilpolline.it/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/clima.jpg
Indeed, and it could be extrapolated to Greece too, I guess.



Anyway doubts about the nationality of Columbus exist only in Spain.
Not really!
http://www.christopher-columbus.eu/who-was-columbus/italy.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_theories_of_Christopher_Columbus

Colombus turns up in Portugal like coming from nowhere. We all know that his origin is "obscure" because he never meant to make it clear and even today it's subject to investigation. There is only a single document where Colombus declares to be from Genoa, but many scholars reckon it's false. What we certainly know is that he was from any place of the Western Mediterraneum, who sailed like a professional sailor from a early age in every kind of trades (including that of corsair).

Bartolomé de las Casas pointed out that Colombus had had direct references about the lands over the ocean, either from sailors' tales that had been dragged by the winds or from a past personal stay.

Colombus had thought of introducing in the New Indies the very system that the Portuguese were using in Africa: trading posts, colonization a la "wage regime" (in other words, the colonists would go there to work for a wage, not to settle with their families/ own lands), economic rights exclusively shared by the discoverer and the crown, slavery and sale of the natives, etc. That is the regime that Colombus would try to impose in the first years of the island "La Española". Now, that model was not acepted in Spain. First, because the Catholic monarchs, who had an evangelization project for the new lands, found slavery repugnant; in fact, we know Colombus did everything he could so the Monarchs would not find out about the fact that he had started an incipient slaves trade, -quickly disrupted. Besides, it turns out that model was totally alien to the Spanish traditional repopulation since times of the Reconquest, which based on the idea of the free (country) individual, also the (country) soldier/individual, who arrives at the lands, gets settled with his family, works the lands and defends them as the lord of them.

There are better Spanish or Italian heroes of that time (not to fight over Colombus origin) like Nuñez de Balboa (Mel Gibson meant to do a film about his doings, but Hollywood didn't fund it), Antonio Lombardo -Pigafetta (Italian), Jiménez de Quesada not to speak of the missionaries...

Good luck with your exam!

[Ibericus]

To Spaniards:
I think that Italy has many climates as well, from sub-tropical until eternal snows.

http://lnx.ilpolline.it/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/clima.jpg

But Spain extends more in longitute, Italy more in latitude.


Congratulations. :cool:

[Foxy]

Indeed, and it could be extrapolated to Greece too, I guess.



Not really!
http://www.christopher-columbus.eu/who-was-columbus/italy.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_theories_of_Christopher_Columbus

Colombus turns up in Portugal like coming from nowhere. We all know that his origin is "obscure" because he never meant to make it clear and even today it's subject to investigation. There is only a single document where Colombus declares to be from Genoa, but many scholars reckon it's false. What we certainly know is that he was from any place of the Western Mediterraneum, who sailed like a professional sailor from a early age in every kind of trades (including that of corsair).

Bartolomé de las Casas pointed out that Colombus had had direct references about the lands over the ocean, either from sailors' tales that had been dragged by the winds or from a past personal stay.

Colombus had thought of introducing in the New Indies the very system that the Portuguese were using in Africa: trading posts, colonization a la "wage regime" (in other words, the colonists would go there to work for a wage, not to settle with their families/ own lands), economic rights exclusively shared by the discoverer and the crown, slavery and sale of the natives, etc. That is the regime that Colombus would try to impose in the first years of the island "La Española". Now, that model was not acepted in Spain. First, because the Catholic monarchs, who had an evangelization project for the new lands, found slavery repugnant; in fact, we know Colombus did everything he could so the Monarchs would not find out about the fact that he had started an incipient slaves trade, -quickly disrupted. Besides, it turns out that model was totally alien to the Spanish traditional repopulation since times of the Reconquest, which based on the idea of the free (country) individual, also the (country) soldier/individual, who arrives at the lands, gets settled with his family, works the lands and defends them as the lord of them.

There are better Spanish or Italian heroes of that time (not to fight over Colombus origin) like Nuñez de Balboa (Mel Gibson meant to do a film about his doings, but Hollywood didn't fund it), Antonio Lombardo -Pigafetta (Italian), Jiménez de Quesada not to speak of the missionaries...

Good luck with your exam!

How many documents do you want to prove that he was from Italy? Also his surname is Italian, in particular from the area of North-West.
Not only, in this biography it is also written the exact borough of Geona where he is born, and also the names of his relatives, the studied he attempted etc etc.http://cronologia.leonardo.it/storia/aa1493.htm
So I don't see why you Spaniards have to be so bastards to deny history.
Maybe in a future you will also say that Marco Polo, Caboto and Vespucci were not Italians but... Spanish maybe???:mad:

I dunno the last heroes you mentioned, but I know Pizarro and the other conquistador whose name I don't remember in this moment.
How do Spaniards act toward them? (it's not an accuse, just curiosity).

Thank you, the exam was perfect (30/30) :D

[Bridie]

How many documents do you want to prove that he was from Italy? Also his surname is Italian, in particular from the area of North-West.
Not only, in this biography it is also written the exact borough of Geona where he is born, and also the names of his relatives, the studied he attempted etc etc.
So I don't see why you Spaniards have to be so bastards to deny history.
Maybe in a future you will also say that Marco Polo, Caboto and Vespucci were not Italians but... Spanish maybe???:mad:Marco Polo was Australian. Everyone knows that.

[Oinakos Growion]

lol
It's funny how everybody wants to make Colombus "his"... There's like a million theories for almost every country in Europe :) Surely he was originally from Genova, but that means shit because he worked for so many masters in his life he hardly was from anywhere. In fact, he betrayed most of them :D Before selling his services to the Castillian Queen he was an "adopted" Portuguese, worked for the Portuguese crown for years, married a Portuguese, etc. and then went away to a better sponsor.

He was without a doubt the best navigator of his time. He was a sea-faring genius. But he was a despotic arrogant character, terrible administrator, egocentric, sadistic, and overall simply nuts.
Honestly I don't know why everybody wants to make him a national hero, because he never gave a shit for any country. All he wanted was fame and glory. Epic, yeah, but all for himself, not any country.
And after all, what matters is where he got all the information for his trip (Portugal) and who paid the expedition (Castille) and later exploration (Castille and Portugal). Some historians say other capable navigators were getting to the same conclusions he was getting to anyway, so it was a question of time to setsail west... He was a bit smarter and quicker, that's all.

There even are theories that he "could be" Galician... hell! I wouldn't like that as a matter of fact! :D Keep him away.

[Äike]

Columbus was from Saaremaa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saaremaa), that's why he was such a good seafarer :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Saaremaa_vapp.svg/215px-Saaremaa_vapp.svg.png

[Treffie]

Columbus was from Saaremaa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saaremaa), that's why he was such a good seafarer :D


He must have been related to Prince Madoc (http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/Wales-History/DiscoveryofAmerica.htm) :p

[Oinakos Growion]

Should we toss a coin to see which country keeps him? :D

[Amapola]

How many documents do you want to prove that he was from Italy? Also his surname is Italian, in particular from the area of North-West.
As long as they are "real documents" I just need one.

http://www.yoescribo.com/img/imatges_html/colon_02.jpg
It was proved that his surname was not colombus, colón or Colomo BUT Colom, typical from Catalan-speaking areas.

The first hypothesis was actually the "Galizian" thesis (popular in the XIX century) following some documents that had been forged. Then the Castilian thesis emerged: as proof of this one, there are some documents written by Colombus saying "he tried to show the admiration towards the land that saw his birth -applying to Castille. Then we have the Jewish Colombus from Extremadura thesis but given that the Catholic Monarchs recognized his nobility in public, we should rule out this one too. Then there is a hypothesis of Columbus as a Portuguese that fled to Genoa and came back to Portugal. A Northamerican researcher identifies Colombus as a Greek corsair. In an 1682 English book it's written: “born in England, but resident at Genua”. And I can go on... but it's pointless...


Not only, in this biography it is also written the exact borough of Geona where he is born, and also the names of his relatives, the studied he attempted etc etc.http://cronologia.leonardo.it/storia/aa1493.htm
So I don't see why you Spaniards have to be so bastards to deny history.
Maybe in a future you will also say that Marco Polo, Caboto and Vespucci were not Italians but... Spanish maybe???:mad:

If many of those documents were false, why should only the Genoa ones be true?

Actually, the Genoa documents are only based on draft copies of notarial deeds from 1470 and 1473, that is to say, long decades after his assumed birth. Do you really think that if those people mentioned as his relatives were his own relatives, he would not have tried to help them improve their economic position. Why did he never go back to him "homeland" Genoa? why did he never write in Italian?

I don't eat any assumed nationality unless there are reliable proofs.


I dunno the last heroes you mentioned, but I know Pizarro and the other conquistador whose name I don't remember in this moment.
How do Spaniards act toward them? (it's not an accuse, just curiosity).
Unless they are corrupted by the left, it's good.


Thank you, the exam was perfect (30/30) :D
Congratulations :thumbs up

[Tyrrhenoi]

Why did he never go back to him "homeland" Genoa? why did he never write in Italian?

Italian... Italy whas not one country back then, he wrote is spanish because his employers where spanish and spanish back then whas an important language.

Why did't never went back to his homeland? I don't know....
When Marco Polo returned to Venice he couldn't even speak Italian any more... He went away from a very long time... some people don't go back were they came from.. just like me.. I was born in Italy ,I am an Italian but I won't go back to Italy... last time was in 1997 :) I rather go to Norway on vacation :D

I know these statements are no facts... but this is how I see the Columbus matter...

[Amapola]

I was born in Italy ,I am an Italian but I won't go back to Italy... last time was in 1997 :) I rather go to Norway on vacation :D

Shame on you, :mad:

[Tyrrhenoi]

Shame on you, :mad:

What's wrong with norway :D

A Spaniard was the first man on the moon right? Neil Armstrong is a spanish name - Neilardo Armstrongolito was his original name.

And the Spanish discovered fire... they were the first people who could make Fire = Fuego in spanish

Javi Fuego invented fire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javi_Fuego

So fire must be a spanish invention!

[Radojica]

Italian... Italy whas not one country back then, he wrote is spanish because his employers where spanish and spanish back then whas an important language.

Why did't never went back to his homeland? I don't know....
When Marco Polo returned to Venice he couldn't even speak Italian any more... He went away from a very long time... some people don't go back were they came from.. just like me.. I was born in Italy ,I am an Italian but I won't go back to Italy... last time was in 1997 :) I rather go to Norway on vacation :D

I know these statements are no facts... but this is how I see the Columbus matter...

Sorry, but you are wrong here. Nikola Tesla left his home when he was 18 or 19 years old and he went back maybe three times in his whole life. He was in Belgrade three times only too. He was living whole his life in USA, but he never forgotten who is he and he never forgot to speak his native language, Serbian no matter he was speaking fluently 7 other languages. He was 87 years old when he died, so go figure. You are having wrong perception about the importance of your ancestry in my opinion.

[Tyrrhenoi]

He was without a doubt the best navigator of his time. He was a sea-faring genius.

LoL didn't he discover america by accident? At first he thought he was in the Indies.. such chaotic and bad navigation can only be made by an Italian :D

[Foxy]

As long as they are "real documents" I just need one.

http://www.yoescribo.com/img/imatges_html/colon_02.jpg
It was proved that his surname was not colombus, colón or Colomo BUT Colom, typical from Catalan-speaking areas.

The first hypothesis was actually the "Galizian" thesis (popular in the XIX century) following some documents that had been forged. Then the Castilian thesis emerged: as proof of this one, there are some documents written by Colombus saying "he tried to show the admiration towards the land that saw his birth -applying to Castille. Then we have the Jewish Colombus from Extremadura thesis but given that the Catholic Monarchs recognized his nobility in public, we should rule out this one too. Then there is a hypothesis of Columbus as a Portuguese that fled to Genoa and came back to Portugal. A Northamerican researcher identifies Colombus as a Greek corsair. In an 1682 English book it's written: “born in England, but resident at Genua”. And I can go on... but it's pointless...



If many of those documents were false, why should only the Genoa ones be true?

Actually, the Genoa documents are only based on draft copies of notarial deeds from 1470 and 1473, that is to say, long decades after his assumed birth. Do you really think that if those people mentioned as his relatives were his own relatives, he would not have tried to help them improve their economic position. Why did he never go back to him "homeland" Genoa? why did he never write in Italian?

I don't eat any assumed nationality unless there are reliable proofs.


Unless they are corrupted by the left, it's good.


Congratulations :thumbs up

His surname was Colombo, Colòn was the Spanish form he adopted when he came back from America, and it's the surname he passed to his native interpreter Diego Colòn.
I think that Colombo didn't come back to Italy becouse since he was very young he had been travelling, he also married a portuguese woman, so his new family was living in Portugual. Anyway there are some doubs about. Some say that his wife was half Italian half Portuguese and that when they married he was came back to Geona.

Anyway I hope that every Italian will read the reaction of Spaniards on this thread, so no Italian will work for Spain anymore, becouse you are very ungrateful. And has Tyrrenoi wrote, not every Italian comes back home. I have a brother of my grandfather who lives in the USA and he never, never, never came back to Italy since he put a foot on the American grave. Not everyone reacts the same.

[Foxy]

Columbus was from Saaremaa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saaremaa), that's why he was such a good seafarer :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Saaremaa_vapp.svg/215px-Saaremaa_vapp.svg.png


Yes, Colombo was from there (where exacly is it?), Vespucci was from Sweden and his real surname was Weschpucken and Caboto was from Switzerland (from the Italian canton) and learnt to sail in the lake of Airolo.
Not only, in that period Italy not existed yet and was a land full of ponds, and trolls were the only inhabitants, and all was the product of the imagination of the child of the "Infinite Story".

http://descantabauchi.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/image074.jpg

[Oinakos Growion]

LoL didn't he discover america by accident? At first he thought he was in the Indies.. such chaotic and bad navigation can only be made by an Italian :D
lol
Well, he knew he was going "somewhere"... let's leave it at that :D
I suppose he was happy enough when he saw land and met some "weird natives". Indians? Chinese? none of those? bah! close enough! :D

[Pallantides]

Columbus was from Saaremaa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saaremaa), that's why he was such a good seafarer :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Saaremaa_vapp.svg/215px-Saaremaa_vapp.svg.png

I thought he was Norwegian
vB2m2hFTqCE
:D

[Amapola]

What's wrong with norway :D

A Spaniard was the first man on the moon right? Neil Armstrong is a spanish name - Neilardo Armstrongolito was his original name.

And the Spanish discovered fire... they were the first people who could make Fire = Fuego in spanish

Javi Fuego invented fire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javi_Fuego

So fire must be a spanish invention!

http://www.yoescribo.com/img/imatges_html/colon_03.jpg

http://www.yoescribo.com/img/imatges_html/colon_03.jpg

http://www.yoescribo.com/img/imatges_html/colon_05.gif

with the difference that was from "COLOM" to Colombus, Colomo...

[Radojica]

Mehh, you are all wrong, he was a Serb :rolleyes:.His last name was Kolumbović, trust me, I KNOW :eek:, he told me one night when we were enjoying in some rakija and whores :coffee:

[Tyrrhenoi]

Neilardo Armstrongolito the spaniard who discovered the moon :D

[Amapola]

His surname was Colombo, Colòn was the Spanish form he adopted when he came back from America, and it's the surname he passed to his native interpreter Diego Colòn.
I think that Colombo didn't come back to Italy becouse since he was very young he had been travelling, he also married a portuguese woman, so his new family was living in Portugual. Anyway there are some doubs about. Some say that his wife was half Italian half Portuguese and that when they married he was came back to Geona.

Anyway I hope that every Italian will read the reaction of Spaniards on this thread, so no Italian will work for Spain anymore, becouse you are very ungrateful. And has Tyrrenoi wrote, not every Italian comes back home. I have a brother of my grandfather who lives in the USA and he never, never, never came back to Italy since he put a foot on the American grave. Not everyone reacts the same.

http://www.yoescribo.com/img/imatges_html/colon_09.jpg

He signed COLOM in every document.

The thesis of a possible change from Colombo to Colom cannot find an easy reason and therefore can be refuted as false since other than that, how would you explain that the Discoverer only called as heirs Colom surnames?... His borthers Bartolomé and Diego, as well as his sons Diego and Fernando, greatchildren, etcétera, always kept this original surname. It makes no sense.

As a curious piece of information, amongst many others, I want to point out that: after the dead of don Diego Colón -son of the Admiral- the brothers Baltasar and Bernardo Colombo, were totally excluded, precisely because their surnames were Colombo instead of Colom/Colón.

[Amapola]

Neilardo Armstrongolito the spaniard who disovered the moon :D

Actually it would be a good comparison with the America Conquest back then in 1.400's... ;)

[Tyrrhenoi]

I thought he was Norwegian
vB2m2hFTqCE
:D

LoL:D In the picture of 'Colombo' in this norwegian video, they made him `blonde´´to make him look more like a Norwegian:D LoL NO chance :wink

http://www.grenswetenschap.nl/images/artikelfoto/CristobalColon.jpg

Does he look Norwegian?

That´s even worse than the attempts of the Spaniards.. they interpret everones name in spanish :D

I am getting real bored.... Columbus whas a fuckup who has discovered the new world by accident. Nothing more, nothing less

[Bard]

I think that the only correct definition is "genoan" surely the inhabitants of Genoa can claim that.

[Don]

Yes, Columbus was italian, el Cid Norwegian, Picasso Australian, Cervantes English, Cortés Chinese, Torquemada from Madagascar and I am from whatever the first of you decide I am.

Ridiculous robbers.

[Aviane]

This thread has gone tideous I thought this was about extreme blondes and not Christopher Coloumbus, I think people are drifting away from the topic here.

[Foxy]

This thread has gone tideous I thought this was about extreme blondes and not Christopher Coloumbus, I think people are drifting away from the topic here.

Yep, right. Columbus was Norwegian, topic closed.
I prefer give it wonnen to Norwegians, at least Vikings really went to America for first. But to give it to Spaniards absolutely not. To those stealers? NEVER!

[Bridie]

Every country has its nemesis which is at the same time its closest beloved cousin. They hate each other, yet they love each other. Either of them will at any time claim that something that is commonly designated to the other country was in fact always theirs. This is a universal law. :p

It seems that Spain must be paired off with Italy. :D

[Don]

Yep, right. Columbus was Norwegian, topic closed.
I prefer give it wonnen to Norwegians, at least Vikings really went to America for first. But to give it to Spaniards absolutely not. To those stealers? NEVER!

Are you idiot or you are just another victim of a non corresponded love with an spaniard?

First supposition would explain the whole stupid speech.
Second would explain as well the use of "stealer", referring to your heart.

[Aviane]

Yep, right. Columbus was Norwegian, topic closed.
I prefer give it wonnen to Norwegians, at least Vikings really went to America for first. But to give it to Spaniards absolutely not. To those stealers? NEVER!

I never yet once metioned a h..l thing about Columbus being Norwegian I wouldn't even think of it if his name had first come to mind.

It would more like be Italian.

[Foxy]

Are you idiot or you are just another victim of the a non corresponded love with an spaniard?

Are you creazy? I would never stay with a Spanish. Nope, really I have stayed with a Slovenjan and a German boy, but I am not interested in Spaniards. As I have said I luv nordic boys. My current bf is Italian but looks nordic :rolleyes: MMMMM

Anyway this is totally out of topic, try again.

[Don]

Are you creazy? I would never stay with a Spanish. Nope, really I have stayed with a Slovenjan and a German boy, but I am not interested in Spaniards. As I have said I luv nordic boys. My current bf is Italian but looks nordic :rolleyes: MMMMM

Yes, I am creazy! :P

But you know that you are a ridiculous person, are you aware of that, aren't you. :)


Next time you call Spaniards, me, all my family and culture, "Stealers", think it twice baja ramera.

[Foxy]

Yes, I am creazy! :P

But you know that you are a ridiculous person, are you aware of that, aren't you. :)


Next time you call me or all my family and culture Stealers, think it twice, zorra.

Well, this is what you are currently doing, you are stealing our history like nobody else is doing. Zorra isn't an English word, so use English please.
And if are adult, you understand that I wasn't referring to your family, but to those users who are stealing our history. If you feel not guilty, where's the prob with you?

[Don]

Well, this is what you are currently doing, you are stealing our history like nobody else is doing. Zorra isn't an English word, so use English please.
And if are adult, you understand that I wasn't referring to your family, but to those users who are stealing our history. If you feel not guilty, where's the prob with you?

Look, little bitch, your offenses to my culture and spaniards are implicit and explicitly showed in your comments since your first fucking day here.

I am sure that your cowardice trying to fix your provocations after each notification you have received from us, an important part of Europe whose you are recurrently insulting, will not save you in many more times you dare to fault the honor of we, Spaniards.

I hope this is the last time I write an advice to you about your senseless insults to me and my people.

There are some members that are quite offended by your attitude and provocations and I'm sure that despite they have more patience than me, they are getting tired of you. As I am.

Behave and respect my people.

[Äike]

Look, little bitch, your offenses to my culture and spaniards are implicit and explicitly showed in your comments since your first fucking day here.

You're definitely not a caballero and calling someone a bitch because of a disagreement is an overreaction. But you're a southerner, so maybe it's normal there?

[Pallantides]

I never yet once metioned a h..l thing about Columbus being Norwegian I wouldn't even think of it if his name had first come to mind.

It would more like be Italian.

Yeah but it says he is Norwegian in the book 'Christopher Columbus : en europeer fra Norge?'(Christopher Columbus - A European from Norway?) so it must be true...
http://www.amazon.com/Christopher-Columbus-europeer-Norge-Norwegian/dp/8290319126

A Norwegian literary treasure.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Foxy]

Look, little bitch, your offenses to my culture and spaniards are implicit and explicitly showed in your comments since your first fucking day here.

I am sure that your cowardice trying to fix your provocations after each notification you have received from us, an important part of Europe whose you are recurrently insulting, will not save you in many more times you dare to fault the honor of we, Spaniards.

I hope this is the last time I write an advice to you about your senseless insults to me and my people.

There are some members that are quite offended by your attitude and provocations and I'm sure that despite they have more patience than me, they are getting tired of you. As I am.

Behave and respect my people.

Oh my God, I knew that Spaniards had a very low self- control, but so much! And then Spanish claim to be related to British which are the most self-controlled people of Europe. Bah... pathetic!
Anyway, I have never offended any Spanish user in his/her personal life, differently from what you are doing, but who cares, I get offended only by people who opinions interest me.
Let's go over, the topic was about extreme blondes.

Anyway you are talking about honor and family like a Sicilian mafious. It makes me laugh. If you have honor, don't still history. Have I ever said that Cervantes, for istance, was not Spanish?? How would you feel if I did?

[Foxy]

You're definitely not a caballero and calling someone a bitch because of a disagreement is an overreaction. But you're a southerner, so maybe it's normal there?

Nope, it is not normal. This is why I dislike to be "southern": sometimes we act in ways for which there are not justifications. Anyway I am southern only ethnically, for the rest I am 100% pro North. I recognize when other people do better.

[Ibericus]

Pff.. You are a wannabe nordic. Only nordic guys, and you are ashamed to be southern, and you feel nordic. Pathetic.

[Tyrrhenoi]

Captain James Cook became the first person to cross the Antarctic Circle.

The Spanish people claim him to be from Spain! and they are right!
He was also known as Capitano Commandante Superior Jamesos Cookabro.

Here is "proof" given by the spanish gouvernment

[Svanhild]

Christopher Columbus has a direct descendant. Ask him to solve the riddle of his nationality! :wink

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0006VZ5WQ.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Amapola]

The Spanish people claim him to be from Spain! and they are right!Here is "proof" given by the spanish gouvernment

Not actually, I never claimed he was Spanish, I am just bringing up some researching that can refute the assumed Genoa hypothesis as a proof of his "obscure" past, and you all got terribly defensive. I never thought that was "stealing". I am not even interested in him being Spanish as I am not a fan of this character, certainly.

Obviously you both prefer calling "me/us" "stealers" and making a mockery of real possibilities.

Pretty good, it's up to you both if you are interested in discussing high-brow or just having a good time.

[Tyrrhenoi]

And you all got terribly defensive. I never thought that was "stealing". I am not even interested in him being Spanish as I am not a fan of this character, certainly.

That's our trademark, Italians are a very proud people, don't touch our icons!


Pretty good, it's up to you both if you are interested in discussing high-brow or just having a good time.

You consider all the discussions on this thread high-brow? This whole discussion is a joke!:coffee:

[Amapola]

That's our trademark, Italians are a very proud people, don't touch our icons!



You consider all the discussions on this thread high-brow? This whole discussion is a joke!:coffee:

If you are that proud, go for it, defend it. But you contradict yourself: Did I attack your icon and hence the insult?

Wasn't it a joke?

I don't understand the defensive attitude if it's just a joke though. And if that way of discussing is a joke too... I don't undertand the sense of humour you guys have over there.

[Tyrrhenoi]

Look, little bitch, your offenses to my culture and spaniards are implicit and explicitly showed in your comments since your first fucking day here.

Yeah, sounds like an high-brow conversation :D

By speculating and claiming 'Colombo' to be non-italian, you insulted a countrywoman of mine. I am not agains you people, I was relieving the tension a little bit by making some stupid jokes about the spanish.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Armando_Diaz.jpg

Armando Diaz

He was the only famous spanish descendent in Italy that I know of....
By giving his example I plead for a truce between our two countries :D

JUST BACK OFF! COLUMBUS IS OURS!!

[Don]

Don't worry, these are just characters on your screen, pulsations of my fingers in the keyboard.

You don't know me. Just this kind of my Avatar.

I am not a caballero with an invader muslim with bad intentions to me or mine.
Neither with you, offender of my ancestry, culture, identity and blood.

You better deserve first your respectability showing respect to others.
In the meantime you are not worthy of my consideration.
Nothing more than another wasted blank.

You understood perfectly my message and my dislike first time.
I have dedicated enough of my time with you, cattle. Be glad.

[Radojica]

http://www.miss-una.com/ivana_jordan.jpg

[Don]

Pff.. You are a wannabe nordic. Only nordic guys, and you are ashamed to be southern, and you feel nordic. Pathetic.

She said that if the muslims would invade her land she will flee to another continent.

A rat like that dares to offend Spain and its dead ones?

A true cancer to us, her kind don't deserves the land she is stepping.
Coward cattle. Parasites.

[Falkata]

Personally, I love to be hated by the rest of the world. It´s something called envy :D.

"Ladran , luego cabalgamos"

[Falkata]

I think that the only correct definition is "genoan" surely the inhabitants of Genoa can claim that.

Indeed, claiming Colombus or Caesar were italians is completely stupid, when Italy was founded in the second half of the XIX century.

[Psychonaut]

I'm still trying to figure out why a thread called "Extreme Blondes," not only is filled with pictures of Italians with dyed or dark blond hair, but also why the bulk of the "discussion" consists of Mediterranean dick waving...

[Falkata]

Are you creazy? I would never stay with a Spanish. Nope, really I have stayed with a Slovenjan and a German boy, but I am not interested in Spaniards. As I have said I luv nordic boys. My current bf is Italian but looks nordic :rolleyes: MMMMM

Anyway this is totally out of topic, try again.

When you take a look at the mirror and see yourself with those big dark eyes and hair, what do you feel? Would you prefer to be a blonde ukranian or latvian instead of a mediterranean italian?
It´s very strange to find self-hating people in a preservationist forum, I think it´s a total contradiction.

[Guapo]

It´s very strange to find self-hating people in a preservationist forum, I think it´s a total contradiction.

Or swarthy northerners thinking they are nordid cuz of their meta-ethnicity :D

[la bombe]

I'm still trying to figure out why a thread called "Extreme Blondes," not only is filled with pictures of Italians with dyed or dark blond hair, but also why the bulk of the "discussion" consists of Mediterranean dick waving...

Well then, to get back on topic, here's an EXTREME blonde

http://models.com/newfaces/i/2010/03/116803_O_-1.jpg
http://models.com/newfaces/i/2010/03/Linn.jpg
http://models.com/newfaces/i/2010/03/116810_O_-1-1.jpg
http://models.com/newfaces/i/2010/03/116799_O_-1.jpg
http://models.com/newfaces/i/2010/03/116802_O_-1.jpg

[Bridie]

Oh my God, I knew that Spaniards had a very low self- control, but so much! And then Spanish claim to be related to British which are the most self-controlled people of Europe. Bah... pathetic!

Self control (a euphemism for self repression, actually) is not all it's cracked up to be. There is nothing healthy, physically nor psychologically, about constantly repressing one's emotions and even instincts.

I've read several studies over the years that have correlated lack of emotional expression (by purposeful intent) with an increased incidence of stress related diseases, such as cardio-vascular disease. Also other studies that have linked living in an emotionally repressive socio-cultural environment with increased rates of mental illness.

Then there's the fact that just because one suppresses one's emotions, it doesn't mean that they'll disappear, they'll just build up over time and eventually, somehow, they will show themselves externally... Can you imagine how explosive years worth of emotion and inner turmoil can be when it finally erupts?....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW23lUV6oFk

In short, I don't believe that the British are naturally "self-controlled", but rather are so due to being raised in a social environment which dictates that this is the only acceptable way to be. There's nothing positive about it. In fact, it's a damn shame.

[Osweo]

Or swarthy northerners thinking they are nordid cuz of their meta-ethnicity :D
You called? :thumb001:

Self control (a euphemism for self repression, actually) is not all it's cracked up to be. There is nothing healthy, physically nor psychologically, about constantly repressing one's emotions and even instincts.

I've read several studies over the years that have correlated lack of emotional expression (by purposeful intent) with an increased incidence of stress related diseases, such as cardio-vascular disease. Also other studies that have linked living in an emotionally repressive socio-cultural environment with increased rates of mental illness.
Self restraint is a marking feature of certain cultures that are now singled out as 'Enemies of the People', 'reactionary', 'oppressive', bla bla bla... Academia's task in these times, is to exert itself in justifying this political stance.

Then there's the fact that just because one suppresses one's emotions, it doesn't mean that they'll disappear, they'll just build up over time and eventually, somehow, they will show themselves externally... Can you imagine how explosive years worth of emotion and inner turmoil can be when it finally erupts?....
Yep, you get things like this;
http://safalra.com/other/british-empire-map/british-empire-map.png
(and, also, incidentally, yourself)

In short, I don't believe that the British are naturally "self-controlled", but rather are so due to being raised in a social environment which dictates that this is the only acceptable way to be. There's nothing positive about it. In fact, it's a damn shame.
The British are not 'self controlled' any more. They've lost it all in the last few decades, apart from a small minority. And we've never been as shit
as we are now, on a societal scale.

[Bridie]

Self restraint is a marking feature of certain cultures that are now singled out as 'Enemies of the People', 'reactionary', 'oppressive', bla bla bla... Academia's task in these times, is to exert itself in justifying this political stance. I'm not alluding to politics here Os, I'm speaking of the physical and psychological consequences of unrelenting and exaggerated self-restraint.

I don't believe that having no self-control at all is a virtue either. There should, as with most things, be a balance.




Yep, you get things like this;
http://safalra.com/other/british-empire-map/british-empire-map.png
(and, also, incidentally, yourself)I hope you're not trying to say that the British Empire was founded due to an uncontrollable, unintentional, irrational and violent tidal wave of repressed British emotion, Os. :D


The British are not 'self controlled' any more. They've lost it all in the last few decades, apart from a small minority. And we've never been as shit
as we are now, on a societal scale.
The Brits are very degenerated now, that's for sure. It was a SHOCK for me to witness it when I visited England. But that's nothing to do with allowing a healthy expression of emotion. That's to do with an erosion of values and morals. Probably also much to do with the social instability and negative influences that come of living in a country totally taken over by multiculturalism... and young Brits having to live among people who DESPISE them. Enter the pressure for young Brits to take on the "ghetto culture" of some immigrant groups (in an attempt to fit into their own country).

Furthermore, young people are no longer being guided by their elders as they once were. Well, not surprising when the elders themselves are mostly a product of rampant liberalism (sex, drugs and rock'n'roll), feminism and all sorts of other destructive "isms".

[Neanderthal]

Pff.. You are a wannabe nordic. Only nordic guys, and you are ashamed to be southern, and you feel nordic. Pathetic.

That reminded me of a song, I think it goes like this:

TRUTH HURTS...OOH, OOH TRUTH HURTS........ :D

Or was it love? meh, I can't recall. :p

[Tyrrhenoi]

She said that if the muslims would invade her land she will flee to another continent.

A rat like that dares to offend Spain and its dead ones?

A true cancer to us, her kind don't deserves the land she is stepping.
Coward cattle. Parasites.

WTF??? That was ment like a joke if you ask mee... none will flee!

And if you watch history, you will know that we fought the berbers and muslims aswell!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Garigliano_(915)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_League_(1571)

So calling us parasites and cowards (and her a bitch) is a little harsh!
COME ON!

[Foxy]

When you take a look at the mirror and see yourself with those big dark eyes and hair, what do you feel? Would you prefer to be a blonde ukranian or latvian instead of a mediterranean italian?
It´s very strange to find self-hating people in a preservationist forum, I think it´s a total contradiction.

I have never said that I want to be nordic-looking or blonde, but only that I prefer northern European societies and behavours becouse I think they work better. About the looking, I prefer blond guys becouse I think that Nordic guys age better. While mediterranean women age very good (except for the fact that some of them go oversize when they make 1-2 children), med. men start to lose hair and age very worse than Nordic men. That's all. As the usual, you are building castles in the air and still going out of topic.
I am forced to answer you only becouse you and ur connationals are continuing.

Italy was founded in 1860, but Italian language exists still before the Roman empire fell, and it was called, at the beginning, vulgar Latin. Same for the Italian ethnicity. Or you are so retarted to think that Italian people started to rain from the sky in 1860 and that, before that year, Italy was desert?
And to tell you all, Spanish language descend from Latin, so YOUR language descends from the one of MY ancestors, and I don't envy Spaniards becouse Italy gave birth to most scientists and artists than any other country in the world, and Italian girls are far better than Spanish girls, at least for me, becouse in Italy we have everything, from German girls of Sudtirol until very dark girls of Sardinia.

Not, go to Hell and post things about the real subject of this topic.

[Foxy]

WTF??? That was ment like a joke if you ask mee... none will flee!

And if you watch history, you will know that we fought the berbers and muslims aswell!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Garigliano_(915)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_League_(1571)

So calling us parasites and cowards (and her a bitch) is a little harsh!
COME ON!


Why are you tring to teach history to monkeys who think that Italy appeared as for magician in 1860? Let them think that we are muslims in Italy (ironic... as we have the Vatican City next to our door :coffee:), they will die without knowing that not only Vatican led the reconquista of Italy, but even that thousands of Normans (Swedish, Danish and Norman Frenchs) went here to help us, mixing at the end with us.

It's too much for them :coffee:

[Svarog]

and Italian girls are far better than Spanish girls, at least for me,

To come at peace on this one, I love both Italian and Spanish girls, talking from some puny experience, Italian ones are cuter and more 'mystique' while Spanish one are more free-spirited and carry more fire within them :P

[Foxy]

Self control (a euphemism for self repression, actually) is not all it's cracked up to be. There is nothing healthy, physically nor psychologically, about constantly repressing one's emotions and even instincts.

I've read several studies over the years that have correlated lack of emotional expression (by purposeful intent) with an increased incidence of stress related diseases, such as cardio-vascular disease. Also other studies that have linked living in an emotionally repressive socio-cultural environment with increased rates of mental illness.

Then there's the fact that just because one suppresses one's emotions, it doesn't mean that they'll disappear, they'll just build up over time and eventually, somehow, they will show themselves externally... Can you imagine how explosive years worth of emotion and inner turmoil can be when it finally erupts?....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW23lUV6oFk

In short, I don't believe that the British are naturally "self-controlled", but rather are so due to being raised in a social environment which dictates that this is the only acceptable way to be. There's nothing positive about it. In fact, it's a damn shame.

From my point of view no self-control would led to an instable society and to very impulsive individuals. Yes, to repress our "self" too much is negative, but the oppisite is impossible, unless you want to become similar to those niggas, that, indeed, are very less "self-controlled", and we all see the result of that. Having to choose, I choose the first.:wink

[Foxy]

To come at peace on this one, I love both Italian and Spanish girls, talking from some puny experience, Italian ones are cuter and more 'mystique' while Spanish one are more free-spirited and carry more fire within them :P

What do you mean with "mysthic"? :cool:

[Tyrrhenoi]

From my point of view no self-control would led to an instable society and to very impulsive individuals. Yes, to repress our "self" too much is negative, but the oppisite is impossible, unless you want to become similar to those niggas, that, indeed, are very less "self-controlled", and we all see the result of that. Having to choose, I choose the first.:wink

Exactly!!

"Excess in all things is the undoing of men''

[Svarog]

What do you mean with "mysthic"? :cool:

Hum, in the lack of better words to describe average Italian girl's behavior/aura around them etc I used that one, relax, it's a good thing - it's the thing some girls have that attracts you but you have no idea what that is :p

..and is NOT their ass or boobs, even tho most guys will jump on that one it's nothing that will keep our attention for longer than 20 minutes at best (guess it's enough for some tho) - each girl need more and can go without, same goes in reverse i guess, not that man boobs are attractive or anything :p

Italian girls have that thing that matters in the long run

[Murphy]

A faithless Italian and a Dutch royalist who is of Italian ethnicity (I think?) versus a contingent of crazy Spaniards..

This should be on pay-per-view.

[Foxy]

A faithless Italian and a Dutch royalist who is of Italian ethnicity (I think?) versus a contingent of crazy Spaniards..

This should be on pay-per-view.

So start to pay becouse you are viewing. I accept only American Express... :coffee:

[Murphy]

So start to pay becouse you are viewing. I accept only American Express... :coffee:

Oh, I don't have to pay. I get it free due to technically being included with the Spaniards ;). We Irishmen have had strong relations with Spain you know!

[Tyrrhenoi]

Oh, I don't have to pay. I get it free due to technically being included with the Spaniards ;). We Irishmen have had strong relations with Spain you know!

I thought your church is in ROME! :mad: and it's leader is an eeehhmm.. German? :eusa_shifty:...mmmm

[Murphy]

I thought your church whas in ROME :mad: and it's leader is an eeehhmm.. German? :s ...mmmm

Well, I can pull up the Catholic connection with Spain instead of the Irish connection :D! Still fall on their side :p.

[Svarog]

A faithless Italian and a Dutch royalist who is of Italian ethnicity (I think?) versus a contingent of crazy Spaniards..

This should be on pay-per-view.

How do i fit in this my old friend, find me a role so i don't have to pay :mad:

[Murphy]

How do i fit in this my old friend, find me a role so i don't have to pay :mad:

You.. by virtue of being.. a Serbian.. who's ancestors were.. under the thumb of the Austria-Hungarian Empire and the Austrians once having shared a crown with Spain entitles you to join our side :D!

Or, due to your animosity against Austria-Hungary, you can join with the faithless Italian :p.

[Svarog]

Or, due to your animosity against Austria-Hungary, you can join with the faithless Italian :p.

Sounds like a plan :cool:

[Tyrrhenoi]

Or, due to your animosity against Austria-Hungary, you can join the Italians :p.

I think the last option is more likely ...

[Murphy]

Sounds like a plan :cool:

Then my friend, we are once again, as it were, on opposite ends of the terraces :p.

[Murphy]

I think the last option is more likely ...

You can have the plural, but I refuse to remove the "faithless" comment. She is, after all, an atheist ;).

[Tyrrhenoi]

Jon you are on the wrong side my brother :D


http://www.jonathanstephens.com/italy-large/Italian%20Flag%20Vatican%20Rome%20Italy.jpg

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/51262088.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FD964AD61A35B6961A 0D21E027BB661A01745668481A4DCB5EB01E70F2B3269972

[Don]

WTF??? That was ment like a joke if you ask mee... none will flee!

And if you watch history, you will know that we fought the berbers and muslims aswell!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Garigliano_(915)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_League_(1571)

So calling us parasites and cowards (and her a bitch) is a little harsh!
COME ON!

Don't be stupid. I was referring to her, due she was who used those shameful words... or maybe you share that conviction of cowardice?

I have no problems in seeing whatever wannabes, they are for me just ridiculous and in some way, funny.

I don't care what is the color of the hair of the guys have fucked this waste or her preferences, Neither about her opinions over how the italian girls are more beautiful than spaniards.
I don't give a fuck.

BUT when she is dedicating recurrent insults to my land and blood, daring to put in her harlot's mouth the Holly name of my identity, culture, family and dead ones along with contempts and offenses.
Then my sword sings.

You, halfitaliandutch man. If you want to be in the middle of my charges, do it at your will. You will receive as well my vengeful blows, but remember that I never hit without provocations.

I hope next time anyone dares to offend my people, will be a more dignified person, with minimal knowledge about Spain that allows him to make real critics not based in the classical topics for cattle.

My sword is quite sensitive and she suffers when her blade is smirched with brothel's blood, a baseness that, by many reasons, share the offenders of what is mine.

Maybe is our curse, forced to fight against the junk of this planet to the very last of the days.

After all, we are resigned and stubborn people... I accept t as part of my legacy and I will do it the better I can.
For now in form of words in a screen.

[Bridie]

From my point of view no self-control would led to an instable society and to very impulsive individuals. Yes, to repress our "self" too much is negative, but the oppisite is impossible, unless you want to become similar to those niggas, that, indeed, are very less "self-controlled", and we all see the result of that. Having to choose, I choose the first.
Exactly!!

"Excess in all things is the undoing of men''Including an excess of emotional repression/restraint. Remember, I was referring to the Brits in my post.

[Tyrrhenoi]

I don't give a fuck about her opinions over how the italian girls are more beautiful than spaniards.
I don't give a fuck.

Idem dito ... I couldn't agree more...


BUT when she is dedicating recurrent insults to my land and blood, daring to put in her harlot's mouth the Holly name of my identity, culture, family and dead ones along with contempts and offenses.
Then my sword sings..

:eek: There you go again...


You, halfitaliandutch man. If you want to be in the middle of my charges, do it at your will. You will receive as well my vengeful blows, but remember that I never hit without provocations.

:thumb001: I will bring my gun then.. I'll make you an offer you couldn't refuse :D Just kidding :D eehm..

I think that some reaction's towards the spanish (cultural thieves and such) were out of place... But remember that you people claimed a national figure of ours as your own! A countrywomen of mine saw that one as a provocation by the spanish (personaly I don't give a fuck what you opinion is about that ....)
I do know my (and almost the whole world's) version of the story.

And the pictures of explorers with spanish flags ... If you are offended by them ... then YOU are a fool!


My sword is quite sensitive and she suffers when her blade is smirched with brothel's blood, a baseness that, by many reasons, share the offenders of what is mine.

Hidden offence??? - watch it my friend -

[Matritensis]

I vote for abolishing idiocy in this thread.Who's with me?:D
More blondes,please.Good friend of mine,funny guy and comedian Ville Myllyrinne.The funny thing is that the whole family is as blond as he is(wife and kids).Not rare in Finland but not the most common thing either:

http://www.hyksinsyopalapset.com/images/kesajuhlat/kesajuhla08/002_Juontaja.jpg

[Amapola]

I'm still trying to figure out why a thread called "Extreme Blondes," not only is filled with pictures of Italians with dyed or dark blond hair, but also why the bulk of the "discussion" consists of Mediterranean dick waving...

A puff of fresh air for all the Nordic/South or Nordic/East dick waving certainly.

;)

[Murphy]

We need more Capoid dick-waving.

[Amapola]

Jon you are on the wrong side my brother :D


http://www.jonathanstephens.com/italy-large/Italian%20Flag%20Vatican%20Rome%20Italy.jpg

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/51262088.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921F7C3FC3F69D929FD964AD61A35B6961A 0D21E027BB661A01745668481A4DCB5EB01E70F2B3269972

Don't try hard :D

Spanish-Irish connections have always been somewhat "special", not only from a spiritual viewpoint. There is a great thread about it even. :thumb001:

[Murphy]

Don't try hard :D

Spanish-Irish connections have always been somewhat "special", not only from a spiritual viewpoint. There is a great thread about it even. :thumb001:

My thread in fact. (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3481)

[Tyrrhenoi]

My thread in fact. (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3481)

Interesting... I am very fund of the Spanish and the Irish...
I think Spanish food is great... I love the Jamón Pata Negra, Jamón Ibérico, Serrano... It is even better than the Italian 'Parma' - San Daniele -

I think you can judge the 'greatness' and characteristics in certain countries from their food. The spanish are perfectionist in some craftsmanships.

http://blognitivedissonance.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/paella.jpg


And the Irish... Love your coffee :D Irish Coffee :D

[Foxy]

Ahem, to don't disturbe this topic anymore, if some one would like to say something about Italians-Spaniards relations, this is the link of the right topic:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=229457#post229457

[Osweo]

Italian ones are cuter
:eek: :mad:

Spanish ones are more free-spirited and carry more fire within them :P
:thumbs up:wink

Let them think that we are muslims in Italy
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4527/perfectislamicburqa.jpg
:thumb001:

[Tyrrhenoi]

Well... I think I'll start dick waving again ... :D

http://images.travelpod.com/users/sares12/1.1250877199.2_monumento-a-vittorio-emanuele-ii.jpg

http://www.designverb.com/wp-content/images/2007/04/milan_04.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Galleria_vittorio_emanuele_ii_02.jpg/450px-Galleria_vittorio_emanuele_ii_02.jpg

http://www.shafe.co.uk/crystal/images/lshafe/Venice,_Palazzo_Ducale,_Piazzetta_wing_begun_1424. jpg



http://aquaduct.hobbysite.info/images/italie,%20rome,%20trevi,%20drukte.JPG


http://1photoblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/trevi-fountain-rome-italy.jpg

http://www.lib-art.com/imgpainting/3/5/14053-interior-of-the-sistine-chapel-michelangelo-buonarroti.jpg

http://www.ciaoadriano.com/Europe%202007/Italy/04_8_Days/Images_8_Florence/900/Florence-Duomo-Nov07-RAW4827AR900.jpg

http://texeltrade.com/milano.jpg

http://listphobia.com/wp-content/uploads/103009_0636_10BestArchi9.jpg

http://blog.ratestogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pantheon-rome-italy.jpg

http://away.com/images/features/turin-best-bets/torinoAlps.jpg

http://www.siena-online.net/immagini/siena3.jpg

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And these :D watch it! .. it's hilarious :D

http://www.marina.difesa.it/foto/images/navi/640x480/01.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/foto/images/navi/640x480/05.jpg
They have two of those (this is the little one 'Cavour')

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Giuseppe_Garibaldi_%28551%29_underway_in_the_Atlan tic_Ocean.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/foto/images/navi/640x480/19.jpg

http://img.blog.yahoo.co.kr/ybi/1/24/56/shinecommerce/folder/6/img_6_2154_0?1170935457.jpg
Italy makes his own tanks

http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acimages/agusta_a129cbt_aldobidini.jpg
Their own Heli's (Mangusta)

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/centauro-alenia4.jpg
This is a 'tankhunter' - it's soul purpose is to destroy MBT's (Main Battle Tanks)
I believe Spain has a few of these (90??) - bought from the Italians. (it's name is 'Centauro B1') look it up - :D


I am sorry - But the Italians should be jealous of who?

[Don]

Child, your seek for competition with the Spaniards are boring and stupid to me.

Are you aware that I'm not the one, aren't you?

[Tyrrhenoi]

Child, your seek for competition with the Spaniards are boring and stupid to me.

Are you aware that I'm not the one, aren't you?

Yes, I am aware of that... I think the RomanQueen picture is repulsing... and above his name that person is called 'Un buen vasallo'?? I assume he is one of yours?

I tried to be nice - and calm the situation down - but the provocations keep on coming. My patience is running out my friend....

[Radojica]

:fcinema:

Oh, come on Cristiano, don't be so selfish :(. Let one old Serbian enjoy a bit, please :eyes?

How about this: I am your host here, I'll bring some drinks and food as good, old hospitable Balkanoid and as it's the custom and you entertain one :old man for a bit.

Eat, drink, dance and loose yourself in the tide of the pleasure :D



http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo318/baby-blue-photos/domaca_rakija.jpg


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http://www.novomilosevo.org.rs/photo/sl_pecenje_b.jpg

:swl

[Don]

Yes, I am aware of that... I think the RomanQueen picture is repulsing... and above his name that person is called 'Un buen vasallo'?? I assume he is one of yours?

I tried to be nice - and calm the situation down - but the provocations keep on coming. My patience is running out my friend....

Maybe next time be nice from the very first time?
Or just chose another target for your sparrings.

Now go compete with the children in the park or whatever.

...

Thanks for the manjar, rado.

[Amapola]

British sense of humour is sometimes hard to grasp, I tell you :D but it's great most of the time.

[Tyrrhenoi]

Maybe next time be nice from the very first time?

Now go compete with the children in the park or whatever.

Ok, old man :D

I still think you are the one who is childish- and in fact- a bad example of the great spanish people.

NO Spanish are offended by those pictures exept for you! You are an easy target my friend!

Calling everyone a whore or a coward- and talking about swords and blood? -:D LoL you really have a vertical moustache, haven't you?

[Don]

Ok, old man :D

I still think you are the one who is childish- and in fact- a bad example of the great spanish people.

Calling everyone a whore or a coward- and talking about swords and blood? -:D LoL you really have a vertical moustache, haven't you?


I only called whore and coward 1 person that deserved such treatment due to her baseness when addressing to us.

But I told you this before... you insist in putting in my mouths words that I haven't said. I really hate people to do so, since I chose my words and my targets carefully and it's a strategy quite infamous.

I chose selectively, based in their attitudes, my words, you little bastard.

And next time you askme privately pardon for you attitudes and provocations, be coherent as well and STOP doing so.

Otherwise you will receive and deserve a low treatment, as low has you proven is your quality.

[Tyrrhenoi]

I only called whore and coward 1 person that deserved such treatment due to her baseness when addressing to us.].

Ohh, well... it's okay then... isn't it?

You just called me a bastard. :D


you bastard.


LMAO:D very original :thumbs up:D

PS. To all the spaniards on this forum : Who is this man?

[Don]

Ohh, well... it's okay then... isn't it?

LMAO:D very original :thumbs up:D
PS. To all the spaniards on this forum : Who is this man?

A random old spaniard, an anonimous man ruling a virtual avatar that is acting congruently with the provocateurs and idiots like you, giving them back what they deserve and what they seek.

But for now, the man behind this avatar is already bored with the interactions with someone of your baseness and simplicity at the time know perfectly that you have understood the message, that is not other than, in the mouth of a Cristiano Viejo:

No me toques los cojones, soez y bajo rapaz.
...

End. Message sent.

[Tyrrhenoi]

No me toques los cojones, soez y bajo rapaz.
...

End. Message sent.

Do you have subtitles? I have the impression - I am in the middle of a
mexican soap-opera here :D:thumb001:

[Foxy]

:eek: :mad:

:thumbs up:wink

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4527/perfectislamicburqa.jpg
:thumb001:

Do you know that you are imbecile? You know, right?
Anyway I am beautiful also with the burqa... :coffee:
Better than your mom, surely...http://www.atsm.info/weblog/fumetto/camilla.jpg

[Tyrrhenoi]

Do you know that you are imbecile? You know, right?Anyway I am beautiful also with the burqa... :coffee:Better than your mom, surely...[IMG]]

Don't insult him! you should be nice 'to our special friend' .... If you insult him ! you will lowern yourself to his level...:mad: so please don't! I just educated him already!

[Foxy]

Don't insult him! you should be nice 'to our special friend' .... If you insult him ! you will lowern yourself to his level...:mad: so please don't! I just educated him already!

Ah yep you are right. Anyway the fact that there are people thinking that Italians are muslims is the most ridicolous thing I have ever read. Said by a Spanish, it sounds even more ridicolous as most of Spain lived a long Saracinean domination, while Italy was under the German Holy Roman Empire.
Do you know the song "Strange World"??

[Amapola]

Ah yep you are right. Anyway the fact that there are people thinking that Italians are muslims is the most ridicolous thing I have ever read. Said by a Spanish, it sounds even more ridicolous as most of Spain lived a long Saracinean domination, while Italy was under the German Holy Roman Empire.
Do you know the song "Strange World"??

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[Amapola]

:eek: :mad:

:thumbs up:wink

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4527/perfectislamicburqa.jpg
:thumb001:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWoO_YDpIX8&feature=related

;)

[Foxy]

BqlJwMFtMCs

And so??? :confused:
Anyway I am half American, so I don't have to emulate Americans, coz a bit of USA are already into me.

[Foxy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWoO_YDpIX8&feature=related

;)

Alana, is it you the one in your pic? I thought you were a female...
Or maybe... a yeah... the typical spanish woman:
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/bliz_shiz/skins_hairy_woman_ad.jpg

[Radojica]

Alana, is it you the one in your pic? I thought you were a female...
Or maybe... a yeah... the typical spanish woman:
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/bliz_shiz/skins_hairy_woman_ad.jpg


Alana is the most beautiful female member on this forum and there is at least 50 of active female members on this board. Don't, please :rolleyes2:

You might say it's only my impression i got, but others will easily confirm that ;)

[Ibericus]

You are crossing the line now , slutty girl.

[Foxy]

You are crossing the line now , slutty girl.

I? Still again, who started with the insults? Who was the first to call me "bitch"?
Only becouse I have not said that Spain is a wonderful land full of wonderful -looking people. You are pathetic.

PS: listen, I go well with every people on here, with Germans, English, Slavs, Romanians, Greeks. But nobody of them ever stole our history or denigrated Italy without reason, at least from what I have read. Even with Svanhild I am having a civil debate about Sudtirol, without insulting each others or something similar. Now, stop breaking the balls to Italians.

[Tyrrhenoi]

Romanqueen basta!!!! Quit it !!!

I distanciate myself from this !

RomanQueen - the music is quite beautifull :D THX Alana :D
Why do you see it like an offence? You'r acting like
Christiano Perdo there!

[Foxy]

Tyrrhenoi, I am full. They can also bann me, but to read insults to me in this way is too much, as I have never offended nobody of them in their private life. They, on the contrary, called me "Bitch", "slut", then said that I have been left from a Spanish guy or something similar, that used my pic without my agreement to make that ridicolous joke.
I have all the right to be angry.

[Tyrrhenoi]

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Nr. 1 or 2 of the Dutch top 40 right now :D
I didn't know that there was a original version :D thx Alana

http://www.radio538.nl/web/show/id=875994

[Foxy]

Romanqueen basta!!!! Quit it !!!

I distanciate myself from this !

RomanQueen - the music is quite beautifull :D THX Alana :D
Why do you see it like an offence? You'r acting like
Christiano Perdo there!

Do you know the meaning of that second song "O Sarracino"? I think you don't, coz it is in a dialect.
It is a way to say that we are Mores, becouse it speaks of an Italian girl who loves a Saracene and say" O Saracene guy, with that beautiful curly hair and middle-eastern look!!"...

So, yes, it is offensive.

[Bridie]

It's quite sickening to see all of you ganging up on RomanQueen. Give it a rest.

[Amapola]

Romanqueen basta!!!! Quit it !!!

I distanciate myself from this !

RomanQueen - the music is quite beautifull :D THX Alana :D
Why do you see it like an offence? You'r acting like
Christiano Perdo there!

Renato, a fucking genious! :thumb001:

[Don]

Confiemos en que este elemento esté diciendo sus últimas palabras, pues desde el primer momento no ha hecho más que faltarnos.

En lo que a mí respecta, he mostrado formalmente mi malestar por alguno de los previos reportando con un "ENOUGH".

Until now I haven seen insults to any european nation from any spaniard, but specific, as mine, to whores like this one, that again, from the very first moment is insulting THE WHOLE SPAIN... Niggers of Europe she said... :(

Well, it's time to do something.

This is senseless, It's enough.

[Äike]

Confiemos en que este elemento esté diciendo sus últimas palabras, pues desde el primer momento no ha hecho más que faltarnos.

En lo que a mí respecta, he mostrado formalmente mi malestar por alguno de los previos reportando con un "ENOUGH".

Until now I haven seen insults to any european nation from any spaniard, but specific, as mine, to whores like this one, that again, from the very first moment is insulting THE WHOLE SPAIN... Niggers of Europe she said...

Well, it's time to do something. It's enough.

Spaniards aren't the niggers of Europe... Russians are the niggers of Europe, ask any American who has visited Tallinn :p

[Tyrrhenoi]

Confiemos en que este elemento esté diciendo sus últimas palabras, pues desde el primer momento no ha hecho más que faltarnos.

En lo que a mí respecta, he mostrado formalmente mi malestar por alguno de los previos reportando con un "ENOUGH".

Until now I haven seen insults to any european nation from any spaniard, but specific, as mine, to whores like this one, that again, from the very first moment is insulting THE WHOLE SPAIN... Niggers of Europe she said... :(

Well, it's time to do something.

This is senseless, It's enough.

What are you still doing on this thread? I kicked you b** already! GO!!

[Bridie]

Confiemos en que este elemento esté diciendo sus últimas palabras, pues desde el primer momento no ha hecho más que faltarnos.

En lo que a mí respecta, he mostrado formalmente mi malestar por alguno de los previos reportando con un "ENOUGH".

Until now I haven seen insults to any european nation from any spaniard, but specific, as mine, to whores like this one, that again, from the very first moment is insulting THE WHOLE SPAIN... Niggers of Europe she said... :(

Well, it's time to do something.

This is senseless, It's enough.Where the hell do you get off referring to RomanQueen personally as "whore" and "bitch" etc???

National pride is fine, but when you lash out to defame someone personally simply because they've insulted your country, you need to get a reality check. Not everyone is going to like your country. Get over it.

[Loki]

Tyrrhenoi, I am full. They can also bann me, but to read insults to me in this way is too much, as I have never offended nobody of them in their private life. They, on the contrary, called me "Bitch", "slut", then said that I have been left from a Spanish guy or something similar, that used my pic without my agreement to make that ridicolous joke.
I have all the right to be angry.

Please let me know who did this. It is a bannable offence to use pictures of other members without their permission. Staff will take appropriate action.

And please, if someone sends you insulting comments you should report it to staff, and we will take action.

Thanks

[Hoihey]

Brock Lesnar’s daughter, Mya Lynn Lesnar is without a doubt the most extreme blonde I have ever seen, I sincerely thought she had albinism at first, apparently she doesn’t
https://i.ibb.co/m8K3bjP/A9-A63268-81-B7-4-B99-91-BC-D0-E3-A94-EC175.jpg (https://ibb.co/Srgz5jZ)