African and Mongoloid admixture in Europe ( what's mostly responsible for it? )

[ButlerKing]

Can someone explain what's mostly responsible for the non-caucasoid admixture. If there is minor South Asian admixture in Europe than it's very obvious that it was due to Gypsies... no question about that one.

Now.....

The African admixture in Southern Europe. Was it mostly due to Moorish rule or mostly due to Sub Saharan slaves brought by European ? ( The African admixture here includes Caucasoid North Africa and Negroid SSA )

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif

The Mongoloid admixture in Southern Europe. Was it mostly due to the Ottoman or the previous Turkic invaders or something else? I believe North/East Europe was due Uralic with possibly minor Turkic so I don't need to know that one.


http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

[ButlerKing]

Bump.

Can some please explain how these admixtures became part of modern European. I really hope it's not because of some rape or mixing with slave women that kind of thing because you know the Moors and Ottoman weren't exactly kind males.

[StonyArabia]

Some of the SSA came via proxy of the Moors yes, well some of it was due to the Roman slave trade.

[RussiaPrussia]

maybe because of the many mongoloid hordes that settled many times around ukraine. ukraine never was part of Ottoman empire but has many east asian admixture.

[ButlerKing]

Some of the SSA came via proxy of the Moors yes, well some of it was due to the Roman slave trade.

What about the the slave trade of SSA people?

The Portuguese have like 8% mtDNA L

[ButlerKing]

maybe because of the many mongoloid hordes that settled many times around ukraine. ukraine never was part of Ottoman empire but has many east asian admixture.

Actually Ukraine was under Ottoman rule as well. Ukrainian have 1 - 2.5% East Asian on that map but this isn't strange since Turkish have 5 - 18.5% Mongoloid DNA but I don't think Ukranian is from Ottoman is properly from Turkic or Uralic.

Most of Balkan was never under previous Turkic rule apart from Ottoman so I believe it was from Ottoman.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/OttomanEmpireIn1683.png

[RussiaPrussia]

Actually Ukraine was under Ottoman rule as well. Ukrainian have 1 - 2.5% East Asian on that map but this isn't strange since Turkish have 5 - 18.5% Mongoloid DNA but I don't think Ukranian is from Ottoman is properly from Turkic or Uralic.

Most of Balkan was never under previous Turkic rule apart from Ottoman so I believe it was from Ottoman.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/OttomanEmpireIn1683.png

yeah but it was longer under scythians and khazar control than ottomoman rule

[Damião de Góis]

What about the the slave trade of SSA people?

The Portuguese have like 8% mtDNA L

I don't think this correlates with slave trade:

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-L-map.png

[ButlerKing]

I don't think this correlates with slave trade:

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-L-map.png

How do you explain this?

In a sample of 542 Portuguese people from all over the country, sub-Saharan mtDNA L sequences were detected at a frequency of ~5% (2.2 in the North, 4.3 in the Center, and 8.6 in the South). This gives the Portuguese an estimated total of 2.5% Negroid ancestry, which ranges from a comparatively large, but not racially significant, 4.3% in the South to a mere 1.1% in the North. (González et al. 2003)


In Turkey is obviously because of the Nubian slave women. Ottoman brought million of slaves from Caucasus, Balkans, East Africa and the Afro-Turks descent from the Nubian slaves.

[Mehmet]

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif



In Turkey it's Greeks and Albanian immigrants.
My ancestry is from extreme north part.
Fully clean from SSA.

[ButlerKing]

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif



In Turkey it's Greeks and Albanian immigrants.
My ancestry is from extreme north part.
Fully clean from SSA.

Have you forgotten the Nubian slaves your ottoman brought? The Afro-Turks are still the descendants of these Slaves.

[Damião de Góis]

How do you explain this?

In a sample of 542 Portuguese people from all over the country, sub-Saharan mtDNA L sequences were detected at a frequency of ~5% (2.2 in the North, 4.3 in the Center, and 8.6 in the South). This gives the Portuguese an estimated total of 2.5% Negroid ancestry, which ranges from a comparatively large, but not racially significant, 4.3% in the South to a mere 1.1% in the North. (González et al. 2003)

I don't know, maybe the result of sandniggers like you migrating there?

[zhaoyun]

Mongol genes probably from various Turkic/Central Asian groups which have settled in Europe, and also from the Mongol invasions.

[Mehmet]

Have you forgotten the Nubian slaves your ottoman brought? The Afro-Turks are still the descendants of these Slaves.

Afro Turks are recent group.
It's after 1830's pro-West, French-centric, secular, non-Muslim reforms that Ottomans ended the castration process of Black slaves to Turkey.
Afro-Turks descend from them.
They are around a few tens of thousands (some look like North Africans).

It's French ideology you know...

I don't think these people influenced the sample for Turkey.
But actually, if you pick up one of them in a sample of 100 people, that'd give you this map.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

The Mongoloid admixture in Southern Europe. Was it mostly due to the Ottoman or the previous Turkic invaders or something else? I believe North/East Europe was due Uralic with possibly minor Turkic so I don't need to know that one.


http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

This map shows something for Serbs, looks to me the real admixture took place around our neighbors (Serbs incl.) instead among Albanians, so much for serb myth about Albanians coming from Caucasus or another flopping theory mixing with turks. :thumb001:

[Mehmet]

This map shows something for Serbs, looks to me the real admixture took place around our neighbors (Serbs incl.) instead among Albanians, so much for serb myth about Albanians coming from Caucasus or another flopping theory mixing with turks. :thumb001:

Don't be afraid, we haven't improved your genes in Albania/Kosovo.
You infected the ours, with E1b1b, creating that SSA map for Turkey.

[ButlerKing]

Afro Turks are recent group.
It's after 1830's pro-West, French-centric, secular, non-Muslim reforms that Ottomans ended the castration of Black slaves to Turkey.
Afro-Turks descend from them.
They are around a few tens of thousands (some look like North Africans).

It's French ideology you know...

And what happened to the previous Nubian slaves if these Afro-Turks are descendants of some other blacks? the African mtDNA in Turks was from slave women that is why there is a few Turks with 0.5% to 1.2% African autosomal DNA.

The African mtDNA was not due to intermarriages but due to bringing Nubian sex slaves.

Sexual slavery

"
Circassians, Syrians and Nubians were the three primary races of females who were sold as sex slaves in the Ottoman Empire. Circassian girls were described as fair, light-skinned and were frequently sent by the Circassian leaders as gifts to the Ottomans. They were the most expensive, reaching up to 500 pounds sterling and the most popular with the Turks. Second in popularity were Syrian girls, with their dark eyes, dark hair, and light brown skin, and came largely from coastal regions in Anatolia. Their price could reach up to 30 pounds sterling. They were described as having "good figures when young". Nubian girls were the cheapest and least popular, fetching up to 20 pounds sterling.[28] Throughout the 18th and 19th centuries, female slavery was not only central to Ottoman practice but a critical component of imperial governance and elite social reproduction.[29] Dhimmi boys taken in the devşirme could also become sexual slaves, though usually they worked in places like bathhouses (hammam) and coffeehouses. They became tellak, köçek or sāqī for as long as they were young and beardless.[30] "

[Mehmet]

I avow that Turks used to like Circassian girls.
They are actually extremely pretty girls.
Thin belly, attractive, yes light skinned.

Nubians (Afro-Turks ancestors) came after French ideology entered Turkey.
You second what I told.
But they were few anyway.

Islamized Cretan Greeks and the Albanian mingrants are mostly responsible for the SSA in Turkey.

[arcticwolf]

We don't have either one, I feel left out. :(

[Mehmet]

We don't have either one, I feel left out. :(

Don't bother your mind.
Remember the thread: African activist spreading HIV to 40 Polish females.

You are now in the EU, gates are open with the rest of the world.

Within 2 generations you'd even surpass Portugal :)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Don't be afraid, we haven't improved your genes in Albania/Kosovo.
You infected the ours, with E1b1b, creating that SSA map for Turkey.

You barely improve someone genes, If creating short, gracile mongrel is called improvement than better not being part of it. :thumb001:

Just to clarify E-V13 subclade isn't African in first place, our respected admin Loki carry that subclade.

Inform yourself better next time.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml#famous_people

[ButlerKing]

Sadly most Caucasus have been contaminated by Mongoloid admixture because of these Nogais

Descendants of Mongol and Kipchaks and Caucasus

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af18/oditous2/Europe/x_105dc2f0.jpg
http://www.outdoors.ru/foto/album/27923.jpg


Even these Avar tribes have 3 - 19 % Mongoloid admixture

http://i076.radikal.ru/0807/44/d2c860daa084.jpg
http://www.heritagecc.org/storage/Caucasus%20people%20family.jpg

[cally]

We all descend from proto-humans and our DNA is almost identical to monkeys and you are hung up on having 0.5% african dna lmao

[cally]

You barely improve someone genes, If creating short, gracile mongrel is called improvement than better not being part of it. :thumb001:

Just to clarify E-V13 subclade isn't African in first place, our respected admin Loki carry that subclade.

Inform yourself better next time.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml#famous_people

Apparently "turanid" is more attractive than med ... :confused:

[Argang]

We don't have either one, I feel left out. :(

Clearly Dienekes has something against west slavs. But don't worry, Verenich's MDLP shows some.:cool:

[arcticwolf]

Don't bother your mind.
Remember the thread: African activist spreading HIV to 40 Polish females.

You are now in the EU, gates are open with the rest of the world.

Within 2 generations you'd even surpass Portugal :)

Shut up Turk. It will be eons, before we are as mongrel as you are already. So shut up! :laugh:

[arcticwolf]

Clearly Dienekes has something against west slavs. But don't worry, Verenich's MDLP shows some.:cool:


Not as much as you! :D

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Apparently "turanid" is more attractive than med ... :confused:

Apparently not, if short gracile body with scarce bearded feminine face is attractive to you, than I'd disagree with you. ;)

[Argang]

Not as much as you! :D

It's only a matter of time before Europe will be taken over by a master race of Turanids, you will end up in a zoo with Stears and ButlerKing as the last caucasoids.

[ButlerKing]

Apparently not, if short gracile body with scarce bearded feminine face is attractive to you, than I'd disagree with you. ;)

Turanids are physically just as big as European/Caucasoid males in some cases even bigger. Mongoloid are midgets and ugly but Turanids are not though.

Here is a 6.6 ft Turanid ( half Chinese / half Caucasian ) and you see he is bigger than all other races and his brother is 6ft 7. His dad is like 6ft 3.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7zyi9iWSk1r03snc.jpg

[Mehmet]

Apparently "turanid" is more attractive than med ... :confused:

It will be up to you to decide babe.
Don't listen to him, I'm not 'short'.



Turanids are physically just as big as European/Caucasoid males in some cases even bigger. Mongoloid and midgets and ugly but Turanids are not though.

Here is a 6.6 ft Turanid ( half Chinese / half Caucasian ) and you see he is bigger than all other races and his brother is 6ft 7. His dad is like 6ft 3.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7zyi9iWSk1r03snc.jpg

Half-China half-white would fit in Kazakhstan or co.
These Turks have mixed with Islamized Mongols.

Not Oghuz Turks.

[arcticwolf]

It's only a matter of time before Europe will be taken over by a master race of Turanids, you will end up in a zoo with Stears and ButlerKing as the last caucasoids.

Stears is the man, you jelly you can't compare? :laugh:

[Insuperable]

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[StonyArabia]

The SSA in Europe was brought by the Moors as proxies, and the Roman Slave trade of the Near East which brought a good number of North African, Arabian, and Levantine slaves. Also the more recent is probably from the trans-atlantic slave trade. As for the Mongoloid it brought by various Turkic rulers to the region.

[ButlerKing]

It will be up to you to decide babe.
Don't listen to him, I'm not 'short'.




Half-China half-white would fit in Kazakhstan or co.
These Turks have mixed with Islamized Mongols.

Not Oghuz Turks.

No they don't. Maybe 3/4 Chinese + 1/4 White will fit Kazakh because those 50/50 always looks 2x more caucasian than a Kazakh and I doubt it's all Mongol since even the Xiongnu were predominately Mongoloid.

I believe in the mix race theory. Have you seen how massive the product of a male lion + female tiger. It is twice the size of a male lion/ female lion. What's interesting is that female tiger is smaller than female lion and yet they produce a cat that is bigger than both lion and tiger and with a stronger and larger tooth aswell

And this one is still just a year old
http://oddstuffmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/spXRR.jpg

[zhaoyun]

I believe Rome also had African slaves, though not in huge numbers, but they probably eventually assimilated and contributed SSA to the general European population.

[Insuperable]

The SSA in Europe was brought by the Moors as proxies, and the Roman Slave trade of the Near East which brought a good number of North African, Arabian, and Levantine slaves. Also the more recent is probably from the trans-atlantic slave trade. As for the Mongoloid it brought by various Turkic rulers to the region.

Many were castrated and died as infants. Just because you mixed with African slaves doesn't have to mean...

[arcticwolf]

The cause are Butlerkings subhumanizing European people throughout history claiming to be natives


I like how you always cut to the chase brother. in one sentence you express all there needs to be said about the matter. Others copy and paste for hours and dont even come close to this level of carity. Respect bro! b:thumb001:

[StonyArabia]

Many were castrated and died as infants. Just because you mixed with African slaves doesn't have to mean...

Actually no, these slaves brought the SSA admix in Europe before especially during the height of the Roman slave trade. It's well documented that the Byzantines used to kidnap Arabs from the Syrian Desert especially males, and let's not forget they often took North African and Levantine women as slaves as well the Romans. Thus most SSA was not direct but indirect. Let's also not forget the Moors who brought it during their conquest. You can dislike those facts but that's a reality.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Turanids are physically just as big as European/Caucasoid males in some cases even bigger. Mongoloid are midgets and ugly but Turanids are not though.

Here is a 6.6 ft Turanid ( half Chinese / half Caucasian ) and you see he is bigger than all other races and his brother is 6ft 7. His dad is like 6ft 3.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7zyi9iWSk1r03snc.jpg

How come only tall Turks I've seen in most of the part come from Balkans which migrated in large number there, the Turanid or Turkic origin people were never known for huge stature tbh.

One example doesn't tells nothing in general sense, how about Yao Ming example does it make Chinese people giants.

[ButlerKing]

How come only tall Turks I've seen in most of the part come from Balkans which migrated in large number there, the Turanid or Turkic origin people were never known for huge stature tbh.

One example doesn't tells nothing in general sense, how about Yao Ming example does it make Chinese people giants.

I don't see much physical difference ( height and body mass) between the Turks of Turkey and other European. One of the tallest man in the world was from Turkey and many in the U.K were over 6ft tall

If you ask me people like Persian and Arabs are even shorter. Turkey on average is taller than some European on average.

http://i.imgur.com/SyRrY0w.png

[Tropico]

What's funny is that people don't think halo groups has anything to do with admixture. Some Europeans have some very sketchy halo groups and consider themselves non admixed. How are you on admixed if your direct male or female ancestor is non White...

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I don't see much physical difference ( height and body mass) between the Turks of Turkey and other European. One of the tallest man in the world was from Turkey and many in the U.K were over 6ft tall

If you ask people from Persia and Arabs are even shorter. Turkey on average is taller than some European on average.

http://i.imgur.com/SyRrY0w.png

Doubt Turkey has taller people than Serbs, can't see Albanian in study here.....And for the last time ONE EXAMPLE DOESN'T TELL NOTHING for the rest who reach millions. :picard2:

[ButlerKing]

Doubt Turkey has taller people than Serbs, can't see Albanian in study here.....And for last time ONE EXAMPLE DOESN'T TELL NOTHING for the rest who reach millions. :picard2:

It's not shown on the map but Albania have the same height as Greeks and is 175cm and that's only 1cm taller than Turkey. Serbia is 1.72 cm and so is Portugal, Romania.

Armenians and Turkey are in the same height.

[Argang]

It's not shown on the map but Albania have the same height as Greeks and is 175cm and that's only 1cm taller than Turkey. Serbia is 1.72 cm and so is Portugal, Romania.

Armenians and Turkey are in the same height.

So do you consider Armenians as European as Serbs?

[Mehmet]

I'm 1.78 meter (5.83 feet) fyi.
I also doubt Serbs are shorter than Turks (tall people, physically fit for basketball, volleyball etc).
But can be true for Portuguese and Romanian midgets, that they are shorter than Turks.

Btw Italy would be taller, there's a huge height diff between tall northern and central ones, and midget southerners.
Same for France.

[zhaoyun]

I don't see much physical difference ( height and body mass) between the Turks of Turkey and other European. One of the tallest man in the world was from Turkey and many in the U.K were over 6ft tall

If you ask me people like Persian and Arabs are even shorter. Turkey on average is taller than some European on average.

http://i.imgur.com/SyRrY0w.png

I don't know how they got these averages. This map doesn't seem accurate based on my observations.

[Insuperable]

Actually no, these slaves brought the SSA admix in Europe before especially during the height of the Roman slave trade. It's well documented that the Byzantines used to kidnap Arabs from the Syrian Desert especially males, and let's not forget they often took North African and Levantine women as slaves as well the Romans. Thus most SSA was not direct but indirect. Let's also not forget the Moors who brought it during their conquest. You can dislike those facts but that's a reality.

People were saying the same for Greek slaves which were abundant in cities, but Greeks score ~0% of any type of African and were part of Romans and Byzantines. Otzi 5000 year old man scored like 8% of SWA meaning it was present in Europe way before brought by early neolithic migrants so we can't argue here about southesterners especially having some admix that we can say it came from slaves.

Compare dodecad v3 results for Greeks and Arabs. Since in this particular calculator Arabs score just too much of various African and Greeks nonexistent I can conclude that Greeks didn't mix with Arabs or that you after mixed with slaves.

Of course I am not saying that not one person is admixed.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

It's not shown on the map but Albania have the same height as Greeks and is 175cm and that's only 1cm taller than Turkey. Serbia is 1.72 cm and so is Portugal, Romania.

Armenians and Turkey are in the same height.

Me being from Balkans I know for sure Turks carry reputation for being shorties, however as I said and looks so aswell, Balkan people done their part on increasing height of Turkey.

Having 15+ million Balkan origin people in Turkey, isn't something to be ignored. :thumb001:

[Mehmet]

double post.
plz delete.

[McCauley]

Looks about right.

And for that height map, I highly doubt Spaniards are taller than the French and English. Most Spanish I have seen were Mediterranid dwarfs.

[ButlerKing]

So do you consider Armenians as European as Serbs?

Geographically Serbia is more European than Armenians but Armenia are also part of Europe and in terms of religion fits with Europe.

[StonyArabia]

People were saying the same for Greek slaves which were abundant in cities, but Greeks score ~0% of any type of African and were part of Romans and Byzantines. Otzi 5000 year old man scored like 8% of SWA meaning it was present in Europe way before brought by early neolithic migrants so we can't argue here about southesterners especially having some admix that we can say it came from slaves.

Compare dodecad v3 results for Greeks and Arabs. Since in this particular calculator Arabs score just too much of various African and Greeks nonexistent I can conclude that Greeks didn't mix with Arabs or that you after mixed with slaves.

Like I have said it was brought indirectly do you even know what it means? Indirectly that means these Afro-Asiatic people had already had minor SSA, as they are SSA shifted, when they were enslaved it entered these people gene pool in limited amount and in some cases it was diluted over time. However the Y-dna and mtDNA on the other hand if they are of SSA origin they could have come from that source. Also the SSA element might have come directly from Ethiopia, because Greek Y-lineages do in fact show SSA, for example the Y-lineage A, which is quite rare outside of Africa.

As for the other parts yeah it was brought by the Moors who were already SSA shifted, the main reason you don't see it is because it's indirect, if it was direct it would have been a totally different story.

[Argang]

Geographically Serbia is more European than Armenians but Armenia are also part of Europe and in terms of religion fits with Europe.

But Bosnia and Albania are mostly islamic, are they less European than Armenia?

[Damião de Góis]

I'm 1.78 fyi.
I also doubt Serbs are shorter than Turks (tall people, physically fit for basketball, volleyball etc).
But can be true for Portuguese and Romanian midgets, that they are shorter than Turks.


I'm your height and i don't consider myself tall here. I've always felt average in terms of height.
On the other hand, i have my doubts about these "giants":

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d53f65e49e2ae801b010000/image.jpg

[ButlerKing]

I don't know how they got these averages. This map doesn't seem accurate based on my observations.

Your North Chinese are quite tall. The Cantonese are shorter like 5ft 7 but I've seen some who are 5f10 or 5ft 11.

[StonyArabia]

I'm your height and i don't consider myself tall here. I've always felt average in terms of height.
On the other hand, i have my doubts about these "giants":

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d53f65e49e2ae801b010000/image.jpg

Those Turks are Kurds hence not representative and they are extremely dark for ethnic Turks.

[Mehmet]

I'm your height and i don't consider myself tall here. I've always felt average in terms of height.
On the other hand, i have my doubts about these "giants":

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d53f65e49e2ae801b010000/image.jpg

:) Grand Bazaar.
Not only Turkey, Increasinly the whole world is turning like India.

Turks will always stay pure in Turkey.
Maybe they will even be minority.
But will go on to look the same.

Tomorrow I won't look Indian.

What shall Portugal look on the other hand?

[ButlerKing]

But Bosnia and Albania are mostly islamic, are they less European than Armenia?

In terms of values and religion yes BUT they are still European

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/eunewneb.gif

[StonyArabia]

:) Grand Bazaar.
Not only Turkey, Increasinly the whole world is turning like India.

Turks will always stay pure in Turkey.
Maybe they will even be minority.
But will go on to look the same.

Tomorrow I won't look Indian.


Dude the samples is of Kurdish resident living in Istanbul they are not ethnic Turks. Hence why they don't represent the ethnic Turk and they are quite dark.

[RMuller]

Your North Chinese are quite tall. The Cantonese are shorter like 5ft 7 but I've seen some who are 5f10 or 5ft 11.

Do you see many Chinese in your native country of South Korea?

Your Altaic Tiger
http://forums.soompi.com/discussion/374384/east-asian-genetic-relationships

[Mehmet]

Those Turks are Kurds hence not representative and they are extremely dark for ethnic Turks.

Actually Grand Bazaar shops (around Eminönü, old Istanbul - Byzantium) are mostly held by Kurds.
Alex isn't wrong that people increasingly look that way in Turkey.
I won't be ashamed to tell that fact.

It's also a prediction for the future.
Maybe Mike Mike will be right, but I don't think so.

[Argang]

Do you see many Chinese in your native country of South Korea?

Your Altaic Tiger
http://forums.soompi.com/discussion/374384/east-asian-genetic-relationships

You dare question ButlerKing's 100% Caucasoid Liverpudlian Scouser heritage?:laugh:

[ButlerKing]

Do you see many Chinese in your native country of South Korea?

Your Altaic Tiger
http://forums.soompi.com/discussion/374384/east-asian-genetic-relationships


Another stupid talking.

There is many ethnic groups in England

[RMuller]

Another stupid talking.

There is many ethnic groups in England

Post #42 were an American Nisei Japanese-American catches your hands in the cookie jar. Your Pioneer on Anthroscape.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5108284/3/
I always wonder why you posted anti Japanese propaganda.Now it's obvious you are a Korean Nationalist.

American Nisei
"It should also be noted that the OP is not a European, but a Korean Nationalist, so all of his threads and posts concerning the Japanese will most likely have an agenda behind them. As far as I can tell, his entire interest in Anthropology/Genetics revolves around denigrating the Japanese, especially the Jomon/Ainu in any way possible, including through misrepresentation.
"

[ButlerKing]

Post #42 were an American Nisei Japanese-American catches your hands in the cookie jar. Your Pioneer on Anthroscape.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5108284/3/
I always wonder why you posted anti Japanese propaganda.Now it's obvious you are a Korean Nationalist.

LOL this is so gay and funny. If I was Korean why would I make fun of their racial features and their eyes lol. Your posting threads that have nothing to do with me.

[RMuller]

LOL this is so gay and funny. If I was Korean why would I make fun of their racial features and their eyes lol. Your posting threads that have nothing to do with me.

You have to play your role as a European.:picard2::picard1:

[ButlerKing]

Btw the Tamil in the U.K are also the same height as European.

Tamils are mix race 25-38% Indo-European west Asian DNA. Where as pure South Indians are very short. This explains once again that mix blood to create a taller and bigger product.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2009/01/420859.jpg

[Insuperable]

Like I have said it was brought indirectly do you even know what it means?

No dude only you know what indirectly means and thanks for explaining it to me. Now that I know what indirectly means this will explain a lot of holes in my reasoning in the past, future and beyond.


Indirectly that means these Afro-Asiatic people had already had minor SSA, as they are SSA shifted, when they were enslaved it entered these people gene pool in limited amount and in some cases it was diluted over time.

Don't tell me that by indirectly you mean too small to detect because of indirect contact because on contrary it is quite obvious what I am trying to tell you if you turn on a brain for one second.


However the Y-dna and mtDNA on the other hand if they are of SSA origin they could have come from that source.

Obviously, but it doesn't have to mean it came from castrated slaves 2000 years ago or any other means from recent times.


Also the SSA element might have come directly from Ethiopia, because Greek Y-lineages do in fact show SSA, for example the Y-lineage A, which is quite rare outside of Africa.

It is observed in rare frequencies in Greeks on two eastern Greek islands with small population, but so in NW Europe. Now, go read the paper and tell me if authors said anything about its origin. Maybe they concluded it came from any kind of slaves, I don't know, but first read it if they brought any hypothesis before spewing some words.


As for the other parts yeah it was brought by the Moors who were already SSA shifted, the main reason you don't see it is because it's indirect, if it was direct it would have been a totally different story.

The same story again.

[ButlerKing]

The non-caucasoid could also be explained that past 4 decades of interracial marriage between Turkish men/ white women and Black men white women but such contribution should have no more than 0.2%

[Gaston]

Bump.

Can some please explain how these admixtures became part of modern European. I really hope it's not because of some rape or mixing with slave women that kind of thing because you know the Moors and Ottoman weren't exactly kind males.

Why do keep creating dumb threads and then ignore the explanations we give you?


Most of the Mongoloid-like admixture comes from the various North European clusters anyway.

[ButlerKing]

Why do keep creating dumb threads and then ignore the explanations we give you?


Most of the Mongoloid-like admixture comes from the various North European clusters anyway.

You claim my thread is dumb but your post is even dumber. Show me this stupid mongoloid admixture came from North European cluster crap.

[Sikeliot]

What about the the slave trade of SSA people?

The Portuguese have like 8% mtDNA L

Portuguese brought Senegambian slaves to Madeira (and mtdna L is 12% there) but I am unsure about anywhere else.

[Longbowman]

Another stupid talking.

There is many ethnic groups in England

Dude, if you want to convince us you're English, you really need to improve your English.

I'm not sure what you want to say: another stupid person talking, or another stupid saying? The latter is horribly clunky, just so you know.

There are many ethnic groups in England, but only one is native here. To any Cornish members: you are not your own ethnicity ;)

For the amusement of everyone else: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?111694-Is-ButlerKing-British&highlight=butlerking+british

[Balmung]

http://i.imgur.com/SyRrY0w.png


This map looks like it was made by the same guy who made this one below.
http://www.theluxuryspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Penis_size.jpg

If this one is anything to go by those stats are flawed or atleast self reported. Look here, Italy went from 15cms on the map to 12cm in actual measurement. http://www.everyoneweb.com/WORLDPENISSIZE

Maps are always the worst source of information. I knew Spain beating the UK and Serbia in height had to be too good to be true.

[SKYNET]

Lol

[JeanBaMac]

I don't see much physical difference ( height and body mass) between the Turks of Turkey and other European. One of the tallest man in the world was from Turkey and many in the U.K were over 6ft tall

If you ask me people like Persian and Arabs are even shorter. Turkey on average is taller than some European on average.

http://i.imgur.com/SyRrY0w.png

This map is erroneous, Serbs are among the tallest europeans, almost tall as Dutchmen.

[Dani Cutie]

I don't think this correlates with slave trade:

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-L-map.png

This maps is maded by medieval bones ;)