Classify Egyptian Pharaoh, Seti I

[Smeagol]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Pharaoh_Seti_I_-_His_mummy_-_by_Emil_Brugsch_%281842-1930%29.jpg

http://drevniiegypt.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Seti-l.jpg

http://kiva.lib.utk.edu/egypt/archive/fullsize/httpkivalibutkeducollection-imagesegyptegypt225_42edbddedc.jpg

[Nehellenia]

Not SSA.
Armenoid influence from the nose shape and face structure, hard to tell anything else :)

[Weedman]

East Med.

good pics btw

[Rambo07]

Aegyptid/Berberid

[Smeagol]

bump

[Kamal900]

Can't say since his body is too..mummified to give a straight answer, but he isn't racially SSA. I would say that he was Armenoid or asiatic Dinaric admixed.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Looks like a Dinarid mixed with a Horner, to me. Slight East African SSA, unlike what others are saying. They don't always have thick lips at that admixture level...

Like...

http://www.eritrea-chat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Eritrean-Athlete-Henok-Goitom-scores-5-goals.jpg

[Odin]

Armenoid.

[Egyptian]

half egyptian half nubian probably , kinda like anwar el-sadat.

[Isleño]

Looks like a Dinarid mixed with a Horner, to me. Slight East African SSA, unlike what others are saying. They don't always have thick lips at that admixture level...

Like...

http://www.eritrea-chat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Eritrean-Athlete-Henok-Goitom-scores-5-goals.jpg
Maybe many answering here are influenced by the latest genome-wide DNA results from a study out on Egyptian mummies that shows them to cluster with Levantines, Bedouins and modern Egyptians and notes that they showed 8% less SSA than modern Egyptians at 6%-15% SSA, 85%-94% MENA. Just maybe.

[Isleño]

Seti, like most all Ancient Egyptians, are descendants of the Caucasoid back flow population that flowed back into North Africa 12,000-20,000 years ago and became the coastal North Africans, this same back flow population that created both the coastal North Africans and the Egyptians, also mixed with the SSA's in East Africa to produce modern East Africans.

[Wadaad]

http://www.geocities.ws/racial_reality/p20f2.jpg

https://kiva.lib.utk.edu/egypt/archive/fullsize/httpkivalibutkeducollection-imagesegyptegypt225_42edbddedc.jpg

[Profileid]

http://www.geocities.ws/racial_reality/p20f2.jpg

https://kiva.lib.utk.edu/egypt/archive/fullsize/httpkivalibutkeducollection-imagesegyptegypt225_42edbddedc.jpg

So the average somali looks like a 3000 year old dessicated corpse?
Thanks for sharing

[Wadaad]

So the average somali looks like a 3000 year old dessicated corpse?
Thanks for sharing

"YOU WAZ NOT KANGS!!! YOU MUST NOT! KANGZ ARE WHITE!!!"

(the real sentiment behind your joke attempt)

[Profileid]

"YOU WAZ NOT KANGS!!! YOU MUST NOT! KANGZ ARE WHITE!!!"

(the real sentiment behind your joke attempt)

Or maybe I am just someone that likes to joke around? But no, I said you were wrong so I must be a white supremacist or something.

It's pretty clear to anyone who is actually interested in viewing this objectively that the Egyptians were neither white nor black, but brown people of native med stock.

[Voskos]

Berberid.some ssa also

[MysteriousWays]

Berberid and something similar to armenoid

[Wadaad]

Or maybe I am just someone that likes to joke around? But no, I said you were wrong so I must be a white supremacist or something.

It's pretty clear to anyone who is actually interested in viewing this objectively that the Egyptians were neither white nor black, but brown people of native med stock.

Artefacts found in Seti's treasury...Afro picks:

http://pragmaticobotsunite.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Afro-Comb-pics-039.jpg

modern Somali comb:

https://shafisaid.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/saqafwaft.png

[Enflamme]

Or maybe I am just someone that likes to joke around? But no, I said you were wrong so I must be a white supremacist or something.

It's pretty clear to anyone who is actually interested in viewing this objectively that the Egyptians were neither white nor black, but brown people of native med stock.

But Med are white, like Wadaad. It's the same Med race.

Based on Coon's book, he says that the Mediterranean race stretches from North Africa to parts of what might be termed "sub-Saharan", the Middle East and Europe ... some ethnics group from Africa whom the ignorant call "black", are in fact also Mediterranean.




Moors were mediterraneans also.

[Profileid]

Artefacts found in Seti's treasury...Afro picks:

http://pragmaticobotsunite.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Afro-Comb-pics-039.jpg

modern Somali comb:

https://shafisaid.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/saqafwaft.png

Why does my grandma have hair picks that look just like that? Is she secretly black?

[Wadaad]

Modern day Seti..

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4bu8ICsmtvg/Vv_tFij68hI/AAAAAAAABoc/5qRAN3v6z8stFwjUUTzaDbB9YtdLWFJ-g/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2016-04-02%2Bat%2B5.13.43%2BPM.png.jpg

Egyptian:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e181/Borntobeking/Image18.jpg

[Fantomas]

East Med.

good pics btw
Agree. By the time, more and more Egyptians got ingluence from east. As a result Ramesides had a semitic aprrearance. Egyptians of Old Kingdom period were closer to pre-dynastic population which resembled west meds

http://i.imgur.com/RYwOZza.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/5jzFCAO.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/AH84Biu.jpg

[Wadaad]

European with "Egyptid" (Hamite):

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe172.jpg

[Profileid]

Wow a southern Egyptian with high SSA looks like a somali?
WOW

[Enflamme]

Modern day Seti..

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4bu8ICsmtvg/Vv_tFij68hI/AAAAAAAABoc/5qRAN3v6z8stFwjUUTzaDbB9YtdLWFJ-g/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2016-04-02%2Bat%2B5.13.43%2BPM.png.jpg

Egyptian:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e181/Borntobeking/Image18.jpg

Good atlanto-med type.

[Wadaad]

Wow a southern Egyptian with high SSA looks like a somali?
WOW

AE civilization was centered in the South...Upper Egypt was the center (Thebes). Today its th reverse as the focal centre is nearer to the delta (Cairo).

\

[Profileid]

AE civilization was centered in the South...Upper Egypt was the center (Thebes). Today its th reverse as the focal centre is nearer to the delta (Cairo).

\

You're still dancing around the main point.
Nothing you've posted thus far is real evidence that the ancient egyptians were blacks

[Isleño]

"YOU WAZ NOT KANGS!!! YOU MUST NOT! KANGZ ARE WHITE!!!"

(the real sentiment behind your joke attempt)

I think it's fair to say that Ancient Egyptians were related to three modern populations today, Levantines, North Africans and East Africans, however were nearly fully Caucasoid. Let me explain.

According to the latest study of Egyptian mummies out, Shuenemann et al. 2017, there were 90 mummies tested for mtDNA and three of those 90 were genome-wide tested. Among the 90 mummies, 89 had Eurasian haplogroups (but many of those Eurasian haplogroups were local African mutation subclades) and only one had a Sub-Saharan mtDNA.

Now, among those Eurasian haplogroups, there were those such as M,N,T,U,X,R/R0,J,H/HV,I and K.

But among the M and N, there were are African mutations of these haplogroups. Also, U and T is found heavily in North Africa. R0 is also found heavily in North Africa and East Africa.

The three genome-wide tested mummies clustered with Levantines, Bedouins and modern Egyptians. Their mtDNA was J1d (Arabian), M1a1 (North Africa/East Africa) and U6a2 (North Africa). Two of the three mtDNA is a local African mutation of a Eurasian haplogroup. However, all three clustered with Levantines, Bedouins and modern Egyptians.

So I believe that the population of ancient Egypt was the Caucasoid back flow population of 12,000-20,000 years ago that became the North Africans to the west of Egypt and that mixed with SSA's just south of Egypt to create modern East Africans. So I believe this to be the link.

I don't believe the ancient Egyptians to be actual East Africans because 2/3 of East African mtDNA haplogroups are indigenous African L haplogroup, which was nearly completely absent among the 90 mummies tested (89 out of 90 were not haplogroup L).

So with all this said, I believe the ancient Egyptians to be the Caucasoid back flow population that became the North Africans to Egypt's west and went on to mix with SSA's south of Egypt to create modern East Africans.

So with this said, Egyptians would be related to all three groups, Levantines/Arabians, North Africans and East Africans through the Caucasoid back flow ancestry related to all three groups. This is what the DNA is dictating in the study.

Here's the mtDNA from the 90 mummies in the study, the three that were genome-wide tested are JK 2911, JK 2888 and JK 2134:

https://images.nature.com/original/nature-assets/ncomms/2017/170530/ncomms15694/extref/ncomms15694-s1.xlsx

[Wadaad]

You're still dancing around the main point.
Nothing you've posted thus far is real evidence that the ancient egyptians were blacks

I've posted clearly African artefacts (Afro picks...doubt your grandma used afro picks made out of acacia wood...which is still produced in the horn africa). Contrast with the combs produced in West Asia from the same period, clearly not African artwork:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/60/02/e7/6002e7f664d62c90335c748166643318--gold-hair-ancient-jewelry.jpg

[Isleño]

You're still dancing around the main point.
Nothing you've posted thus far is real evidence that the ancient egyptians were blacks

I posted my theory based on the latest DNA study. See my last post.

[Wadaad]

I posted my theory based on the latest DNA study. See my last post.

Historical chronicles point to added gene flow from West Asia/East med after the bronze age collapse period. (the so called Hyksos...the biblical references of Joseph's etal biography).

[Profileid]

I've posted clearly African artefacts (Afro picks...doubt your grandma used afro picks made out of acacia wood...which is still produced in the horn africa). Contrast with the combs produced in West Asia from the same period, clearly not African artwork:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/60/02/e7/6002e7f664d62c90335c748166643318--gold-hair-ancient-jewelry.jpg

Atrifacts=/= race
That's not what we're talking about.

[Smeagol]

I've posted clearly African artefacts (Afro picks...doubt your grandma used afro picks made out of acacia wood...which is still produced in the horn africa). Contrast with the combs produced in West Asia from the same period, clearly not African artwork:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/60/02/e7/6002e7f664d62c90335c748166643318--gold-hair-ancient-jewelry.jpg

While I agree Seti could have looked horner if he had black skin (no way of knowing his original pigmentation) I doubt he had afro hair considering his son's straight hair:
http://factsanddetails.com/media/2/20120212-Ramses_II_-_The_mummy.jpg

[Wadaad]

Atrifacts=/= race
That's not what we're talking about.

Look who is pussyfooting now.

If you were to come across a modern day house...found cocoa butter, afro picks, ebony magazine, etc...It would be safe to assume, a Black resided in it. So yes, artefact = race indeed.

Ask yourself this. Why did both ancient Egyptian men and women go topless while modern day populations have to resort to clothing themselves in robes and turbans, unless they want to get sunburn.

[Isleño]

Historical chronicles point to added gene flow from West Asia/East med after the bronze age collapse period. (the so called Hyksos...the biblical references of Joseph's etal biography).

Yes, but the Hyksos were expelled from Egypt in 1550 BC.

Manetho writes of the Hyksos expulsion by Ahmose I: (Tethmosis is Ahmose I)

"Tethmosis [7], son of Alisphragmuthosis, attempted to take the city by force and by siege with four hundred and eighty thousand men surrounding it. But he despaired of taking the place by siege, and concluded a treaty with them, that they should leave Egypt, and go, without any harm coming to them, wherever they wished. After the conclusion of the treaty they left with their families and chattels, not fewer than two hundred and forty thousand people, and crossed the desert into Syria. Fearing the Assyrians, who dominated over Asia at that time, they built a city in the country which we now call Judea. It was large enough to contain this great number of men and was called Jerusalem."

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/manetho_hyksos.htm

So the East Med Levantine element was removed from Egypt. The Caucasoid element we are seeing in Egypt is local to Africa look at the mtDNA in the 90 mummies, most are local African mutations of Eurasian haplogroups. This suggests they are the descendants of the Caucasoid backflow.

Two of the three genome-wide tested mummies that clustered with Levantines, Bedouins and modern Egyptians had African mutations of Eurasian M and U in the form of M1a1 and U6a2.

[Wadaad]

Yes, but the Hyksos were expelled from Egypt in 1550 BC.

Manetho writes of the Hyksos expulsion by Ahmose I: (Tethmosis is Ahmose I)

"Tethmosis [7], son of Alisphragmuthosis, attempted to take the city by force and by siege with four hundred and eighty thousand men surrounding it. But he despaired of taking the place by siege, and concluded a treaty with them, that they should leave Egypt, and go, without any harm coming to them, wherever they wished. After the conclusion of the treaty they left with their families and chattels, not fewer than two hundred and forty thousand people, and crossed the desert into Syria. Fearing the Assyrians, who dominated over Asia at that time, they built a city in the country which we now call Judea. It was large enough to contain this great number of men and was called Jerusalem."

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/manetho_hyksos.htm

So the East Med Levantine element was removed from Egypt. The Caucasoid element we are seeing in Egypt is local to Africa look at the mtDNA in the 90 mummies, most are local African mutations of Eurasian haplogroups. This suggests they are the descendants of the Caucasoid backflow.

Two of the three genome-wide tested mummies that clustered with Levantines, Bedouins and modern Egyptians had African mutations of Eurasian M and U in the form of M1a1 and U6a2.

You do realize the suez canal was built in the 1870s...before then, people could walk from Egypt to Lebanon with quite no problems, and the Levant was as much part of the Egyptian sphere, as it was the Mesopotamian. The East med/Hyksoid migrations were not a singular thing but a continuous, ongoing phenomon that carried on to the Roman/Christian period and then accelerated during the Islamic conquests...Rashidun-Umayyad-Abbasid was Arabian. Fatimid was Berbero-Libyan...Ayyubid was Kurdo-Turkic-Levantine, etc.

[Kamal900]

You do realize the suez canal was built in the 1870s...before then, people could walk from Egypt to Lebanon with quite no problems, and the Levant was as much part of the Egyptian sphere, as it was the Mesopotamian. The East med/Hyksoid migrations were not a singular thing but a continuous, ongoing phenomon that carried on to the Roman/Christian period and then accelerated during the Islamic conquests...Rashidun-Umayyad-Abbasid was Arabian. Fatimid was Berbero-Libyan...Ayyubid was Kurdo-Turkic-Levantine, etc.

Yes, but the genetic structure of the ancient Egyptians are pretty similar to their modern descendants, Southern Levantines and Arabians. Not to other west Asiatics like the Maronites, Mizrahi Jews, Persians, Turks and so on.

[Wadaad]

Yes, but the genetic structure of the ancient Egyptians are pretty similar to their modern descendants, Southern Levantines and Arabians. Not to other west Asiatics like the Maronites, Mizrahi Jews, Persians, Turks and so on.

Based on one study? You talk with alot of confidence...You are going to ignore Ankhesemun's letter to the Hittites to send her a Hittite prince to marry? There were Hittite and Nubian presence in Egypt, so there presence must reflect on the modern people...otherwise either history is pointless and we should discard Egyptian chronicles, and stick to 100% unbiased, un-politically motivated 'genetic studies' lol.

There are modern Egyptians with clear Turkic ancestry, so why is it so hard to question this biased study?

[Kamal900]

Based on one study? You talk with alot of confidence...You are going to ignore Ankhesemun's letter to the Hittites to send her a Hittite prince to marry? There were Hittite and Nubian presence in Egypt, so there presence must reflect on the modern people...otherwise either history is pointless and we should discard Egyptian chronicles, and stick to 100% unbiased, un-politically motivated 'genetic studies' lol.

Yes, but the ruling elite were mostly doing that sort of thing. The average Egyptian back in the day is not much different from today's Egyptians and their neighbors in the Levant and Arabia, not to the west Asiatics like Turks, Persians and etc nor to any European group today.

At the genome-wide level, Egypt is quite similar to its Levantine neighbours, displaying a mainly Near Eastern (39.8%) and Arabian/North African (30.5%) background, with slightly higher western (5.6%) and eastern (15.1%) African proportions, and lower European (8.4%) and South Asian (0.6%) proportions. The ROLLOFF estimate for admixture in Egypt (using Africans and Europeans as ancestral populations) was 30 generations, predictably young due to continuous gene flow between the two regions. Morocco and Tunisia presented similar western (9.8–12.2%) and eastern African (10.4–12.1%) components and roughly twice the magnitude for each of the European (22.8–25.5%), Near Eastern (21.4–26.0%) and Arabian (28.9–31.0%) pools. Again these young dates show that simple genome-wide dating approaches based on linkage disequilibrium decay must be applied cautiously in complex scenarios of several migrations occurring over a long span of time, such as the ones which took place across the Red Sea, North Africa [56] and Iberia [57].
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0118625]

So, if the SSA admixture in today's Egyptians represents the original genetic structure of the ancient Egyptians then the admixture from SSA groups wouldn't have been 30 generations ago or less than a thousand years ago which tells us that Egyptians become MORE SSA admixed than in ancient times.

[Isleño]

You do realize the suez canal was built in the 1870s...before then, people could walk from Egypt to Lebanon with quite no problems, and the Levant was as much part of the Egyptian sphere, as it was the Mesopotamian. The East med/Hyksoid migrations were not a singular thing but a continuous, ongoing phenomon that carried on to the Roman/Christian period and then accelerated during the Islamic conquests...Rashidun-Umayyad-Abbasid was Arabian. Fatimid was Berbero-Libyan...Ayyubid was Kurdo-Turkic-Levantine, etc.
But now you are drawing on speculations. Modern Egyptians do in fact differ slightly from the DNA of the mummies in the Shuenemann study. Using DNA, 89 of the 90 mummies had Eurasian mtDNA most with African mutations and the absence of haplogroups L which is Sub-Saharan. Two of the three mummies genome-wide tested had local African mutations of Eurasian haplogroups. And they clustered with Levantines, Bedouins and near modern Egyptians. This suggests the caucasoid DNA is local to Africa, not of the Levant.

[Isleño]

Yes, but the ruling elite were mostly doing that sort of thing. The average Egyptian back in the day is not much different from today's Egyptians and their neighbors in the Levant and Arabia, not to the west Asiatics like Turks, Persians and etc nor to any European group today.

At the genome-wide level, Egypt is quite similar to its Levantine neighbours, displaying a mainly Near Eastern (39.8%) and Arabian/North African (30.5%) background, with slightly higher western (5.6%) and eastern (15.1%) African proportions, and lower European (8.4%) and South Asian (0.6%) proportions. The ROLLOFF estimate for admixture in Egypt (using Africans and Europeans as ancestral populations) was 30 generations, predictably young due to continuous gene flow between the two regions. Morocco and Tunisia presented similar western (9.8–12.2%) and eastern African (10.4–12.1%) components and roughly twice the magnitude for each of the European (22.8–25.5%), Near Eastern (21.4–26.0%) and Arabian (28.9–31.0%) pools. Again these young dates show that simple genome-wide dating approaches based on linkage disequilibrium decay must be applied cautiously in complex scenarios of several migrations occurring over a long span of time, such as the ones which took place across the Red Sea, North Africa [56] and Iberia [57].
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0118625]

So, if the SSA admixture in today's Egyptians represents the original genetic structure of the ancient Egyptians then the admixture from SSA groups wouldn't have been 30 generations ago or less than a thousand years ago which tells us that Egyptians become MORE SSA admixed than in ancient times.
I absolutely agree.

[Egyptian]

You all debating who is Egyptian or who isn't .. while Egyptians don't give a fuk.

[Isleño]

Yes, but the ruling elite were mostly doing that sort of thing. The average Egyptian back in the day is not much different from today's Egyptians and their neighbors in the Levant and Arabia, not to the west Asiatics like Turks, Persians and etc nor to any European group today.

At the genome-wide level, Egypt is quite similar to its Levantine neighbours, displaying a mainly Near Eastern (39.8%) and Arabian/North African (30.5%) background, with slightly higher western (5.6%) and eastern (15.1%) African proportions, and lower European (8.4%) and South Asian (0.6%) proportions. The ROLLOFF estimate for admixture in Egypt (using Africans and Europeans as ancestral populations) was 30 generations, predictably young due to continuous gene flow between the two regions. Morocco and Tunisia presented similar western (9.8–12.2%) and eastern African (10.4–12.1%) components and roughly twice the magnitude for each of the European (22.8–25.5%), Near Eastern (21.4–26.0%) and Arabian (28.9–31.0%) pools. Again these young dates show that simple genome-wide dating approaches based on linkage disequilibrium decay must be applied cautiously in complex scenarios of several migrations occurring over a long span of time, such as the ones which took place across the Red Sea, North Africa [56] and Iberia [57].
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0118625]

So, if the SSA admixture in today's Egyptians represents the original genetic structure of the ancient Egyptians then the admixture from SSA groups wouldn't have been 30 generations ago or less than a thousand years ago which tells us that Egyptians become MORE SSA admixed than in ancient times.
Something I want to point out about the haplogroups found among the 90 mummies in the Shuenemann study, 89 out of 90 were Eurasian haplogroups. Contained in the haplogroups, are all the haplogroups of the Caucasoid back flow back into Africa. From this same study you posted information from, I pulled this out:

"A major Neolithic impact is supported when imposing periods for the migration of founders (Fig. 1H), leading to: 7–16% at ∼2 ka, mainly HV1 and other undefined HV lineages, M1 and U (U6a1, K1a1); 52–58% at ∼10 ka for most of HV, U (U5b, U5 and K), T (some T2c1 and T2b), J (J1d1a, J2a2b and other undefined J), and X; and 26%–41% at ∼16 ka for some HV, T (T1a, T2) and U (U3, U3a, U5b1b, U5a, U6a) lineages (S1 Text, S36 and S37 Figs.). It seems likely that some JT lineages, especially T ones, were introduced into Northeast Africa before the Neolithic, following Late Glacial population expansions in the Near East/Arabia. Then, locally they could have been involved in population expansions in the Neolithic period, leading to signs of autochthonous founder effects, such as the one detected in the El-Hayez oasis (400 km southwest of Cairo) for sub-haplogroup T1a2a [52]"

"The link between U6 and M1 and the settlement of North Africa from the Near East at ∼45 ka advanced previously [53,54] was recently put into question [55] because their sub-clades do not all seem to display the same history: U6a is ∼10 ka older than M1a and M1b, and sub-clades of the former coalesce before or around the LGM while sub-clades of the latter date to the post-LGM. In our founder analysis for North Africa, a strong Late Glacial signal was detected for U6"

Now take a look at all the haplogroups of the 90 Ancient Egyptian mummies, they consist of these back migration haplogroups (notice the absence of Sub-Saharan haplogroup L):

https://images.nature.com/original/nature-assets/ncomms/2017/170530/ncomms15694/extref/ncomms15694-s1.xlsx

[Isleño]

You all debating who is Egyptian or who isn't .. while Egyptians don't give a fuk.

Probably true. But I have ran into a few Egyptians on YouTube that were fighting with black Americans about it.

[Egyptian]

Probably true. But I have ran into a few Egyptians on YouTube that were fighting with black Americans about it.


what they gonna gain from fighting over the internet ? waste of time .. the fact is Egyptians are living in Egypt and they own everything here .. the debate on youtube will make the americans own anything here? nah.

it's just waste of time .. anyway true that egyptians are diverse nowadays due to various civilizations took place here , you gonna find all types here .. everything , from nordic to egyptian to arab to african to asian etc.

I've posted a lot of threads about classifying many egyptians , you can check them.

[Isleño]

what they gonna gain from fighting over the internet ? waste of time .. the fact is Egyptians are living in Egypt and they own everything here .. the debate on youtube will make the americans own anything here? nah.

it's just waste of time .. anyway true that egyptians are diverse nowadays due to various civilizations took place here , you gonna find all types here .. everything , from nordic to egyptian to arab to african to asian etc.

I've posted a lot of threads about classifying many egyptians , you can check them.
It is a waste of time, yes. Most of the people that fight over Egypt are not Egyptian. Most are either black North Americans or white North Americans. It seems the black-white racial problem of North America has spilled over into Egypt. I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen black Americans calling white Americans crackers and cavemen in a racist rant, just like I've seen white Americans calling the black Americans delusional niggers. It seems lots of racist North Americans love talking about Egypt.

I'm actually on the scientific/scholar side of it. My efforts are never to fight about their race, but to look into their genetics, connecting it with ancient migrations. I could actually have an intellectual conversation with scholars, without insult or negativity. But I think the race hustlers are comical in their motives.

[Egyptian]

It is a waste of time, yes. Most of the people that fight over Egypt are not Egyptian. Most are either black North Americans or white North Americans. It seems the black-white racial problem of North America has spilled over into Egypt. I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen black Americans calling white Americans crackers and cavemen in a racist rant, just like I've seen white Americans calling the black Americans delusional niggers. It seems lots of racist North Americans love talking about Egypt.

I'm actually on the scientific/scholar side of it. My efforts are never to fight about their race, but to look into their genetics, connecting it with ancient migrations. I could actually have an intellectual conversation with scholars, without insult or negativity. But I think the race hustlers are comical in their motives.

I don't mind people talk about Egypt , no problem at all .. and i don't mind to see black or white egyptian , actually i see every one who lived in egypt or served egypt as egyptian.. you know the singer dalida , right? she isn't from egyptian roots , she is italian , but she was born here and she spoke egyptian a lot better than many egyptians.

i actually love to see a lot of foreigners talking about egypt in a positive way or visiting it , but talking about ethnic and who is real egyptian and who isn't and fighting lol that's crazy.

about the mummies and the 3 family of the old-middle-new kingdom they were diverse , some of them were berbers also (amazight) like sheshnak (amazigh father , egyptian mother) , others were hyksos and so on.