Do Turanids really exist in Hungary ?

[StonyArabia]

Do they, I read that 25% of the population is Turanid but I find that hard to believe. Most Hungarians look European and their genetics also show them to be Caucasoid people and related to South Germans I believe. If you have examples please post them.

[Kiyant]

I saw some but i think 25% is a bit too much

[StonyArabia]

I saw some but i think 25% is a bit too much

I don't doubt there is Turanids there, but 25% of the population is quite bit. I wonder how overestimated the amount.

[Smeagol]

30% of the Hungarians are Turanids, and 60% are Europo-Mongolids over all.

[StonyArabia]

30% of the Hungarians are Turanids, and 60% are Europo-Mongolids over all.

That's interesting actually, but how did this come out to be. So they have more Turanids than Turks is amazing actually, how did this happen and genetically they are not much different from their European neighbours.

[blogen]

Do they, I read that 25% of the population is Turanid but I find that hard to believe. Most Hungarians look European and their genetics also show them to be Caucasoid people and related to South Germans I believe. If you have examples please post them.

The Turanids is a basically Europid type with a very little Mongoloid element. Later, in the medieval times, the Central Asian Turanids were heavily Mongolized. But the average, or original Turanid, for example the ancestors of the present Hungarian Turanids were mostly Europids, so their genetics are Western or Central Eurasian too.

And here are the examples of the basic Turanid types! (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?70314-Hungarian-president-J%E1nos-%C1der&p=2422991&viewfull=1#post2422991)

[TheMagnificent]

Hungarian president János Áder:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Ader_Janos.jpg

http://becs.ensz.kormany.hu/download/b/e2/40000/%C3%81der%20J%C3%A1nos.JPG

http://m.ruvr.ru/data/2012/05/02/1307843562/4highres_00000403186931.jpg

[Smeagol]

That's interesting actually, but how did this come out to be. So they have more Turanids than Turks is amazing actually, how did this happen and genetically they are not much different from their European neighbours.

The Turanids in Hungary are mostly very Europid Europo-Mongolids. I'm not sure what their exact genetics are, but I think the East Eurasian mixture is low. However this does not change the facts confirmed by physical anthropology.

[DebtCollector]

No. Only braindead idiots are still spreading this bullshit.

[aherne]

They do. In reality less than 10% of Hungarians show it...

[ButlerKing]

The Turanids is a basically Europid type with a very little Mongoloid element. Later, in the medieval times, the Central Asian Turanids were heavily Mongolized. But the average, or original Turanid, for example the ancestors of the present Hungarian Turanids were mostly Europids, so their genetics are Western or Central Eurasian too.

And here are the examples of the basic Turanid types! (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?70314-Hungarian-president-J%E1nos-%C1der&p=2422991&viewfull=1#post2422991)

Well isn't this strange.


Don't you understand those Hungarian classified as Turanids are wrong classifications but later classified as alphine? You Hungarians have only 1% mongoloid. I mean what the hell are Portugese some Caucasoid with Negroid admixture of 2.1%.

You can't become a different sub-race with puny admixture

If you have 11 - 18% like the Turks than that's a different story. Because it is 10-20% Mongoloid mixed with 80-90% Caucasoid which is freaking

[blogen]

Well isn't this strange.


Don't you understand those Hungarian classified as Turanids are wrong classifications but later classified as alphine? You Hungarians have only 1% mongoloid. I mean what the hell are Portugese some Caucasoid with Negroid admixture of 2.1%.

Many idiots, especially in the internet forums believe it, that cleverer at the Hungarian academicians. But not.

[Hungarian_master]

István Csukás a Turanid Hungarian.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/CsukasI3.jpg

[RussiaPrussia]

majority in this forum are

[Roy]

Hungarian president János Áder:

http://becs.ensz.kormany.hu/download/b/e2/40000/%C3%81der%20J%C3%A1nos.JPG


...


vs ... Genghis Khan

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/.a/6a00d8341bf7f753ef01157152dda0970c-pi

I see it here. But to me it's very mistifying that it shows up despite Hungarians having such low Asian admixture. It must be more complicated.

[aherne]

I see it here. But to me it's very mistifying that it shows up despite Hungarians having such low Asian admixture. It must be more complicated.

That's why I don't believe in DNA evidence to identify one's ethnoracial ancestry. We have documented historical evidence that Magyars' contribution to Hungarian ethnicity was roughly 10% (in Szekelers it would be much higher). The types latter had were: Uralid (obvious), Turanid (from Bulgar Turkics they mixed with), to a lesser extent Aryan (from Alans). Most people were a mix of two or three elements. The rate Turanids occur in modern Hungarians is consistent with the rate they of Magyars' contribution and the rate of Turanids in Magyars...

[blogen]

That's why I don't believe in DNA evidence to identify one's ethnoracial ancestry. We have documented historical evidence that Magyars' contribution to Hungarian ethnicity was roughly 10% (in Szekelers it would be much higher). The types latter had were: Uralid (obvious), Turanid (from Bulgar Turkics they mixed with), to a lesser extent Aryan (from Alans). Most people were a mix of two or three elements. The rate Turanids occur in modern Hungarians is consistent with the rate they of Magyars' contribution and the rate of Turanids in Magyars...

:picard1:

The Uralid is rare between the Hungarians, since the Magyars are never Uralids and the Turanid was the basic ancient Hungarian component.

Anthropology of the Székelys:
Turanid: 34,4%
Pamirid: 16,4%
Eastern med: 12,5%
Dinarid: 6,6%
East Baltid: 2,5%
Alpinoid: 2,5%
Taurid: 1,5%
Lapponoid: 1,5%
Mongoloid: 1,4% (Europo-Mongoloids with basic Mongoloid character)
Gracile med: 0,7%
Atlanto med: 0,3%
Nordoid: 0,3%
Uralid: 0,2%
Cromagnoid: 0%
unidentifiable: 19,2%

Shape of the Zygomatic bone:
forward projected: 75,85% (Europo-Mongoloid)
rounded: 20,75% (Europid)
forward narrowed: 3,4% (Europid)

Eye color:
light (1a-4a): 20,4%
greenish mixed: 28,6%
dark (9-16): 51%

Hair color:
red (I-VI): 0,35%
blond (A-L): -
light brown (M-O): 0,31%
dark (P-Y): 99,34%

size of the sample: 593
time: 1994 october

source: Dr. Henkey Gyula: A Székelyföldön végzett etnikai embertani vizsgálatok főbb eredményei - ZMTE, 2000

[armenianbodyhair]

I'm not convinced they exist at all.

[Nehellenia]

I swear this guy is a real Hungarian, what would he be?

http://files.blogter.hu/user_files/137864/csuki.jpg

Whereas my theory that their Turanid looks are mixed with other types, such as this guy... who strangely looks like my ex-brother in law ->

http://i50.tinypic.com/2q3vmsm.png

[blogen]

I swear this guy is a real Hungarian, what would he be?
http://files.blogter.hu/user_files/137864/csuki.jpg

No, he is a Mongolo-Turanid, he is not typcial, but probably his ancestors were Turks besides the Hungarians and others.


Whereas my theory that their Turanid looks are mixed with other types, such as this guy... who strangely looks like my ex-brother in law ->
http://i50.tinypic.com/2q3vmsm.png

He is a typcial Hungarian Turanid (he not mixed with Alpinids)

[aherne]

No, he is a Mongolo-Turanid, he is not typcial, but probably his ancestors were Turks besides the Hungarians and others.



He is a typcial Hungarian Turanid (he not mixed with Alpinids)

Stop trolling with BS. These people have NOTHING in common with original Magyars before Turkic invasions. Original Magyar type was Uralic (same as in Kets, their closest relatives, who also got a Yeniseian admixture while settling Ob basin).

You seem to believe your Hungarian "sources" ad literam. Don't you have a common sense as well? Think for a second: why would a population originating from Volga-Kama region (an area that is and has always been Uralid) belong to a race that is hallmark of Turkics and stems from Western Mongolia and Tuva? How do you match this with paleoanthropological evidence showing NO TURANIDS WHATSOEVER in Europe before 3rd century AD.

Hungarians showing Turkic phenotypes are just as Hungarian looking as those looking Dinaric or Alpine! All are influences acquired AFTER they formed as a people in Bashkortostan.

[blogen]

Stop trolling with BS. These people have NOTHING in common with original Magyars before Turkic invasions. Original Magyar type was Uralic... blahblahblah

Again this shit. Sorry retard, but your ignorance is your problem. The contemporary scientific consensus from Hungary to Russia about the facts of the ancient and early medieval Magyars:

1. The Hungarian homeland was in Western Siberia (Sargat culture), the Volga-Kama region (Kushnarenkovo culture) was only a short term dwelling place on the time of the Magyar's wandering into West.
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/3310/4bf6.jpg
2500-1500BC - Ugric age (Andronoid cultures)
1500-1000BC - proto-Magyar age (Cherkaskul culture)
1000-0AD - ancient Magyar age (Sargat cultural complex)
0-500 - transitional age (late Sargat and Uelgi period)
500-1000 - old Hungarian age and Conquest age (Kushnarenkovo and Subotca cultures)

2. The Ugors and proto-Magyars (Cherkaskul culture) in the Bronze age Western Siberia were Protoeuropids (Cromagnoid C type)
3. The ancient Magyars (Sargat culture) in Western Siberia were Protoeuropids and Turanids (Protoeuropid+Mongoloid). Robust, Protoeuropid type Hungarian kings, queens and princes from the Isakovka and Sidorovka kurgans
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3360/5iwi.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4812/rw80.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3239/vj6p.jpg

4. The Magyar conquerors in the Carpathian-basin were Turanids and Pamirids (mostly Turkic, Alan and Chorezmian elements) with various Mediterranid elements.

[Zmey Gorynych]

...
Blogen are you racially a europo-mongoloid yourself (turanid or something else maybe) !? Just curious, you're really into this stuff, it seems.

[blogen]

Blogen are you racially a europo-mongoloid yourself (turanid or something else maybe) !? Just curious, you're really into this stuff, it seems.

Yes, I am an average Magyar Turanid.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Yes, I am an average Magyar Turanid.
You're probably the first in this forum. I remember nordid, baltid, alpinoid, pontid, dinarid but not turanid among hungarian apricians.

[Proto-Shaman]

majority in this forum are
what Baltid? we all know we are ...

[Proto-Shaman]

vs ... Genghis Khan

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/.a/6a00d8341bf7f753ef01157152dda0970c-pi

I see it here. But to me it's very mistifying that it shows up despite Hungarians having such low Asian admixture. It must be more complicated.
Melih Gökcek, Turkish politician, almost resemble Janos:
http://secim2014.milliyet.com.tr/ResizeImage.ashx?width=210&f=/Files/Candidates/ProfileImages/ankara-melih-gokcek-01032014145429.jpg
http://birgun.net/icerikler/resimler/haberler/twitterda-melih-gokcek-oyunu-1.jpg
http://everywheretaksim.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/melih-g%C3%B6k%C3%A7ek3-300x225.jpg

[aherne]

Again this shit. Sorry retard, but your ignorance is your problem. The contemporary scientific consensus from Hungary to Russia about the facts of the ancient and early medieval Magyars:

1. The Hungarian homeland was in Western Siberia (Sargat culture), the Volga-Kama region (Kushnarenkovo culture) was only a short term dwelling place on the time of the Magyar's wandering into West.
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/3310/4bf6.jpg
2500-1500BC - Ugric age (Andronoid cultures)
1500-1000BC - proto-Magyar age (Cherkaskul culture)
1000-0AD - ancient Magyar age (Sargat cultural complex)
0-500 - transitional age (late Sargat and Uelgi period)
500-1000 - old Hungarian age and Conquest age (Kushnarenkovo and Subotca cultures)

2. The Ugors and proto-Magyars (Cherkaskul culture) in the Bronze age Western Siberia were Protoeuropids (Cromagnoid C type)
3. The ancient Magyars (Sargat culture) in Western Siberia were Protoeuropids and Turanids (Protoeuropid+Mongoloid). Robust, Protoeuropid type Hungarian kings, queens and princes from the Isakovka and Sidorovka kurgans
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3360/5iwi.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4812/rw80.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3239/vj6p.jpg

4. The Magyar conquerors in the Carpathian-basin were Turanids and Pamirids (mostly Turkic, Alan and Chorezmian elements) with various Mediterranid elements.
You write so much shit you must be full of it already. Also your knowledge of history is zero, or at most restricted to Hungarian pseudo-scientists, whose writings are of same value as Romanian writers claiming Latins sprung from Romania (!).

Quote from Wikipedia:

Climate changes around 1300 BC resulted in the northward expansion of the steppes which compelled several groups within the proto-Ugric people to turn to the nomadic lifestyle.[3][4][6] This change was strengthened by the several proto-Iranian groups living south of them who had been practicing pastoral nomadism and whose influence on the proto-Ugric people can be proven by several loanwords[7] in their languages.[3][4][8] The formation of the Hungarian language occurred around this time (between 1000 BC and 500 BC) and can be localized to the southern regions of the Ural Mountains.[1]
Following a further climate change around 800 BC that caused the expansion of the taiga, the nomadic proto-Ugric groups (probably the ancestors of the Magyars) had to move southward; thus they separated from the ancestors of the Khanty and Mansi peoples.[1][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Hungarians#Emergence_from_the_Ugric_ speakers

[blogen]

Quote from Wikipedia:

Oh. Another troll, who learned the history from the wikipedia... :icon_rolleyes:

I guess you do not know one single contemporary Hungarian historian and you know nothing about the scientific results of the past fifty years. Meaningless to write anything to an ignorant retard, but a last one. This map is the Hungarian and the Russian scientific consesnus from the late 90':
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2340/gh09.jpg

from the first book (Prehistory and Conquest) of the twenty-four books of the History of Hungary (http://www.kossuth.hu/index.php?o=konyvek&k=1649) serie. Editor of the serie: Dr. Romsics Ignác academician, one of our considerable living historians, editor of the first book: Dr. Fodor István archaeologist, former director of the Hungarian National Museum, now leader of the Department of Archaeology on the University of Szeged, one of the considerable contemporary experts of the Hungarian prehistory. Contributor of the serie: Hungarian National Museum, Hungarian National Archive, Hungarian National Library, etc.

If this does not help you then nothing.

[Proto-Shaman]

Yes they really exist:

"The anthropology of Central Asia in ancient times was worked out mainly by Ginsburg (l966). Ismagul (l970 l982) has collected and analyzed extensive data on the Kazah populations of today's Kazahstan. Abdulshelishvili (l968) worked on the populations of the Caucasus, and Miklasevszkaja (l968) did extensive study on the skeletal remains in the Siberian and Centras Asian areas from the first half of the first millenium A.D. The work of these scholars has aided the Hungarian researchers in their comparative anthropological work, since the peoples of both the Carpathian Basin and populations of Central Asia proved to bear a close physical resemblance to each other and can be traced back to other related forms indigenous to Central Asia as far back as 500 B.C. (Ginsburg l966). [...].

The Middle Turanid type ... stands between the Turanid and the Mongoloid variant of the Turanid. Here the Europoid and Mongoloid features occur in 50-50% proportions. This form was found to occur in about 1% frequency among the Hungarians of today. [...] Because the ancestors of not only the Central Asian startum of the 9th century Hunarians, but also those of the Pechenegs, Yazig, Kumans, and Oguz (peoples also settling in Hungary from the 9-12th centuries) moved from Central Asia before the 13th century--that is before the onslought of the Mongol invasion-- the overwhelming majority of the population of Hungary today exhibits the Europoid form of the Turanid physical type.

It is of utmost importance to realize that the anthropologists of the former Soviet Union chose to give the Turanid label only to those forms which had stronger Mongoloid characteristics, whereas on the basis of historical anthropological studies, it is clear that the form with strongly Andronovo characteristics is the most ancient form of the Turanid type (Ginzburg l966; Ismagulov l970). [...] Pamirian variant that show up among the Hungarians was one which carried strong Andronovo characteristics in 2/3 of the subjects examined. The Eastern Mediterranean form with sharp features was less representative, but at the same time a mild Mongoloid admixture was noticeable. We called this form Pamiro-Turanian, which deviates but slightly from the Turano-Pamirian variant so common among Hungarians (Henkey) as well as the Kazahs of China.

Among the indigenous Hungarian populations examined the following anthropological forms were found(Henkey l998):

1. "Turkic" or Central Asian forms( Turanian, Pamirian, Armenid and Dinarian)= 52.2 %
2. Caucasian3) forms= 9.3 %
3. Finno Ugric forms= 3.8 %
4. "Old Slavic" forms = 1.1 %"

Choi Han-Woo: International Journal of Central Asian Studies, Volume 3, "Physical Anthropological Field Report and Comparative Research Results on the Kazaks and Kirghiz from the Peoples Republic of China (http://www.iacd.or.kr/pdf/journal/03/3-08.pdf)" by Gyula Henkey (Kecskemet, Hungary) and Izabella Horvath (Beijing, China), 1998.

[oh-nahhh]

Who knows? Maybe it's a Social Construct.

[Box-of-Wonders]

Do Turanids really exist in Hungary ?
Nope. Not at all. Only Nordids are allowed there.

[aherne]

Oh. Another troll, who learned the history from the wikipedia... :icon_rolleyes:

I guess you do not know one single contemporary Hungarian historian and you know nothing about the scientific results of the past fifty years. Meaningless to write anything to an ignorant retard, but a last one. This map is the Hungarian and the Russian scientific consesnus from the late 90':
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2340/gh09.jpg

from the first book (Prehistory and Conquest) of the twenty-four books of the History of Hungary (http://www.kossuth.hu/index.php?o=konyvek&k=1649) serie. Editor of the serie: Dr. Romsics Ignác academician, one of our considerable living historians, editor of the first book: Dr. Fodor István archaeologist, former director of the Hungarian National Museum, now leader of the Department of Archaeology on the University of Szeged, one of the considerable contemporary experts of the Hungarian prehistory. Contributor of the serie: Hungarian National Museum, Hungarian National Archive, Hungarian National Library, etc.

If this does not help you then nothing.
The general consensus on this topic (agreed not just by Wikipedia/Britannica, but by nearly all except Hungarian nationalist pseudo-"experts") is that Hungarians and all other Ugrians descend from Volga-Ural region. Even if some lived on the other side of Urals (probably some did), it still doesn't relate them to Atilla or Turkics (and thus Turanid), which sprung thousands of miles away. I think Hungarian history still hasn't departed from Romantic fables that make no sense historically as well as logically...

BTW, the people you have exemplified from Sargat culture look Uralid-Aryan-Yeniseian hybrids. There is great similarity to some modern Hungarians (those preserving pre-Turkic Magyar types), but that in no way makes them Turanid. Not a single one looks Turkic by any stretch of imagination. Are you fucking blind or what???




Among the indigenous Hungarian populations examined the following anthropological forms were found(Henkey l998):

1. "Turkic" or Central Asian forms( Turanian, Pamirian, Armenid and Dinarian)= 52.2 %
2. Caucasian3) forms= 9.3 %
3. Finno Ugric forms= 3.8 %
4. "Old Slavic" forms = 1.1 %"
^ Yet more absurd ideas. There is no "Pamirian" in Hungarians (why would Hungarians have an Iranic type).

[blogen]

Aherne! You are a retard troll, a Romanian Stears here, who is ignorant but arrogant. You believe what you want, but ignored all of the contemporary scientific facts and consesus.

Your problem, since your stupidity does not interest me longer! This was the last occasion, when I tried to explain the scientific development of the past fifty years. Since the European homeland (Volga-Kama) of the Magyars was the scientific mistake of the first half of the twentieth century. The Soviet archaeological explorations began in Siberia in the century's second part and results of this modified everything fundamentally. Was obvious in the sixties already for the Soviet archaeologist that the Ugrians and the Magyars did not live on the western side of the Ural mountain before the early Middle Ages and for the Hungarian linguists that the vigorous Aryan layer of the Hungarian and the Ob-Ugric languages was based on the contacts in ancient Western Siberia between the Andronovo culture and the Ugors and between the Scytho-Sarmatian peoples and the Magyars and this lingual layer identifiable with the material remains of these archaeological cultures.

This is a well-known fact in the scientific world since decades and I cannot imagine it why you do not know this! Maybe the Romanian jokes have truth and the Romanian hillbillies are really slow. :noidea:

[Proto-Shaman]

^ Yet more absurd ideas. There is no "Pamirian" in Hungarians (why would Hungarians have an Iranic type).
The Pamirian type that seems to have taken place in the southeast region of Central Asia. According to Ginzburg (l966) this form developed from the intermixing of two other physical types: the Andronovo, which went through the process of gracilization (softening of features), and a Mediterranean variant that became brachicepahhalic (shortening of the cranium). That Pamirian variant that show up among the Hungarians was one which carried strong Andronovo characteristics in 2/3 of the subjects examined. The Eastern Mediterranean form with sharp features was less representative, but at the same time a mild Mongoloid admixture was noticeable.

[Stears]

I saw some but i think 25% is a bit too much They are mostly gypsy people, and the 0,5% cuman minority (like blogen)

[Stears]

No, he is a Mongolo-Turanid, he is not typcial, but probably his ancestors were Turks besides the Hungarians and others. He is a typcial Hungarian Turanid (he not mixed with Alpinids) Survivor Cuman minority from Kecskemét. A cuman man: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/CsukasI3.jpg/250px-CsukasI3.jpg

[Kiyant]

They are mostly gypsy people, and the 0,5% cuman minority (like blogen)

Gypsies are not Turanid :picard1:

[Stears]

Gypsies are not Turanid :picard1: They are.

[Stears]

Hungarian president János Áder: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Ader_Janos.jpg President with german name and german ancestors....

[aherne]

President with german name and german ancestors....

Yet he looks Old Magyar entirely.

[Stears]

Yet he looks Old Magyar entirely.yet he looks more european than average romanian people. And I don't speak about your weird balkan genetics structure

[Stears]

Yet he looks Old Magyar entirely. The very high ratio of eastern features in romanian popultion are unimpeachable. Protest of Romanian skinheads and White Power activists :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViviKoVieEI Romania (Vallachia) would be better place for for turanian screwballs like blogen. Their late-nomadic culture (the were nomads until the 15th century) is a better environment for cumans (like blogen) than the Hungarian culture.

[Proto-Shaman]

President with german name and german ancestors....
some Germans with Turanid features...

Franz Fuchs:
http://relevant.at/system/galleries/upload/6/5/5/12205/2451001141958609_BLD_Online.jpg

Franz Kretzschmar:
http://www.ksta.de/image/view/2009/10/13/12818398,11123624,dmData,maxh,480,maxw,480,Frank+K retzschmar+%25281254230028304%2529.jpg

Eva Mattes:
http://www.weverinck.de/img/fotos/presse/mattes02.jpg

further:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45384&d=1394541775
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45386&d=1394541775

[blogen]

some Germans with Turanid features...

All of them are clear Caucasoid, based on their rounded cheekbone. The first two guy are basically Alpinoids and the last guy is a Protoeuropid (Cromagnoid C). He is close to the Turanid race, since the Turanids are a Protoeuropid mix with Mongoloid, but he is not mixed, only a Cromagnoid.

[aherne]

The very high ratio of eastern features in romanian popultion are unimpeachable. Protest of Romanian skinheads and White Power activists :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViviKoVieEI Romania (Vallachia) would be better place for for turanian screwballs like blogen. Their late-nomadic culture (the were nomads until the 15th century) is a better environment for cumans (like blogen) than the Hungarian culture.

:D More of Hungarian romantic nationalist crap aimed at legitimizing Hungarian control of an area that has always had Romanian majority:) Romanians have never been a nomadic people!

[Stears]

VLACHS (Romanians) WERE THE LATEST NOMADIC ETHNIC GROUP IN EUROPE. Vlachs were known as late - nomadic people in medieval chronicles. The first romanian vlach churches were built only around the turn of the 13th and 14th century. No known archiutecture existed before that period. The romanian literacy and chronicles appeared only in the 15th century. USE Google books! (The word's largest digitalized library, the largest collection of printed books) See the google book results (search the british american candian authors about medieval romanians Vlachs): Carleton Stevens Coon: The races of Europe, Page 614 " Vlach colonists are nomads living in black tents like those of ... A greater variation is found in the cephalic index; on the plains of Moldavia and Wallachia, and in the Dobruja" Robert William Seton-Watson: A history of the Roumanians: from Roman times to the completion of unity, page: 12 "The Roumanians undoubtedly preserved their nomadic habits to a very late date, as is proved by the existence of Vlach colonies in Moravia (the so-called "Little Wallachia" — long since completely Slavised)" Mandell Creighton, Justin Winsor, Samuel Rawson Gardiner: The English Historical Review page:- 615. "He shows that the Vlachs of the Balkan peninsula throughout the middle ages are nomads of the strictest type, ... that Vlachs began to move north of the Danube to Wallachia and Transylvania " Joan E. Durrant, Anne B. Smith Global Pathways to Abolishing Physical Punishment: Realizing Children’s Rights ( PAGE 210) "Between the 3rd century A.D. and the 14th century A.D., Dacia was invaded successively by nomadic peoples, including the ... Romanians " Norman Berdichevsky: Nations, Language and Citizenship -page: 181. "The “true Romanians” are held to be interlopers who were nomadic shepherds that migrated into Transylvania from the ... then transferred to “Wallachia,” the traditional core area of the Romanian state located east and south of Transylvania." Other elements in the population of Greece are the Wallachians or Vlachs, the Turks, and the Jews, but they have never ... The Wallachians are a curious nomadic race David Bruce Macdonald - 2002 Balkan Holocausts?: Serbian and Croatian Victim Centered ... page- 131 "These hinterland Romans evolved into highland herdsmen, who for centuries led a primitive nomadic life" Lampe, John R, Jackson, Marvin R. Balkan Economic History, 1550 - 1950: From Imperial Borderlands to ... page - 612. "Vlachs had first acquired their commercial connections in the course of moving their livestock seasonally back and forth between high and low ground. ... Alan J.B. Wace and M.S. Thompson, The Nomads of the Balkans (New York, 1914; New York: Books for Libraries Press, 1971)" Jane Perry Clark Carey, Andrew Galbraith Carey : The Web of Modern Greek Politics - page 73 "shepherds and nomadic herdsmen, wandering through the Balkans and the north of Greece. On their early migrations they gave the Vlach name to various districts, including the province of Wallachia in present-day Romania" Chambers's Encyclopedia - Volume 14. page:- 339. "The Vlachs are usually mentioned as following nomadic or semi-nomadic lives as shepherds etc. in wild mountain ... nth century was known as 'Great Wallachia' and seems to have contained a relatively dense and settled Vlach population." Denys Hay: Europe in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries page: 220 "In the first half of the fourteenth century there also appeared there the two Romanian principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia. ... or whether the Hungarians are right in their thesis that these Vlachs were recently immigrated nomadic shepherds" Frank Moore Colby, Talcott Williams, Herbert Treadwell Wade: The New International Encyclopaedia Voluma 20. Page: 219 "Owing to their nomadic and predatory dispositions these Vlachs, as they are called by the Greek writers, were a ... the autonomous Rumanian principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia, which grew rapidly towards south and east until the former" Isaiah Bowman: The New World: Problems in Political Geography page - 282 "or Wallachians The Rumanians, or Wallachs (hence Wallachia), are of mixed race but of distinct speech, the Ruman, ... Home places of the nomadic Vlachs The Vlachs , Rumanian nomadism is seen in its purest form among the detached" Norman Angell : Peace Theories And The Balkan War page: - 107. "It had been founded by a conquering caste of non-Slavonic nomads from the trans-Danubian steppes, but these were completely ... This Bulgarian state included a large 'Vlach' element descended from those Latin-speaking provincials whom the Slavs had pushed ... had established itself in the mountains of Transylvania, and was just beginning to push down into the Wallachian and Moldavian plains" Tibor Frank, Frank Hadler : Disputed territories and shared pasts: overlapping national histories in modern Europe, page: 251 "Reference to Romanians in their preunification (1859) history was linked to the regional designation of Wallachia (today Oltenia and Muntenia) to the south ... This designation relates to the nomadic existence of the Balkan Vlach population." Paul Coles : The Ottoman Impact on Europe - page: 114 " nomadic pastoralism provided a new lease of life for the Rumanian-speaking Vlachs, migratory herdsmen whose native principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia had fallen under Ottoman dominion during the fifteenth century" Wace, Alan J. B. and Maurice S. Thompson. 1914.: "The Nomads of the Balkans: An Account of Life and Custom Among the Vlachs of Northern Pindus."

[Stears]

In the reality, the late-nomadic Vlachs (romanians) migrated from Bulgaria and South-Eastern Serbia to the present-day territory of Romania in the 13th century. The daco-romanian continuity myth is not generally accepted, that's why all major Western Encyclopedias (E.Encarta, E. Britannica, E.Americana, German Brockhaus, French Larousse etc...) mention the romanian state-supported daco-romanian myth, but they are also mention the reality: the Vlach migration from the Balkans in the 13th century.. Vlachs (medieval romanians) were the latest people who introduced the literacy in Europe, and they were one of the latest shepherd nomadic people in Europe. (There were no orthodox bishopry in medieval Vallachia Moldavia, most monks came from Serbia). Due to the lack of literacy and own history writting (chronicles) until the 15th century, the poor romanians had to built up a "speculative history-writting" (or fabricated history), where speculations based on earlier speculations and fictions etc.. There are no material proofs (cemetries cultic places) which can support the romanian (vlach) existence in present-day territory of romania before the 1200s. There are no written documents about the existence Vlachs in the territory of later Vallachia Moldavia Transylvania before the 1200s. WERE WERE YOU HIDDING for 800 years dear "daco"-romans? The neo-latin elements in Romanian language remain the best proof agaist daco-roman theory. Unlike other neo-latin languages, there are no proofs for development of dacian language into a neo-latin language, because there are not remained dacian vocabulary for the posterior. The dacian conquest was the shortest lasting conquest of the Roman Empire in Europe, it lasted only 160years, the relations between the roman legions and dacians remianed hostile. (Note: The contemporary multi-ethnic legionaries were Roman citizens, but they were recruited from various primarily multinational, non-Latin provinces, so THEY WERE NOT ROMANS ) This very short & hostile circumstance are not an ideal contingency for romanization process. There are no CONTEMPORARY historic records for the survive of dacians after the Roman withdrawal, and later the territory was the FOCAL POINT of great migrations (serials of many strong powerfull and brutal barbaric tribes and people such as Huns, Goths, Gepids Longobards, Avars, Pechenegs and Cumans.). There are tons of contemporary written documents (chronicles from early medieval to high medieval age etc.) about the sheprherd nomad Vlachs in Balkan peninsula, but there are no material or written proofs for their existence in the present-day territory of Romania before the 1200s. However the roman rule lasted for 500+ years in many territories of Balkan peninsula (where vlachs were often mentioned by many early medieval chronicles) There is also no trace of influence from any of the other peoples who lived in Transylvania after the withdrawal of the Romans, the Huns, Goths, Gepids Longobards, Avars, Pechenegs and Cumans. If these languages did not have any influence on the Rumanian language, we can be sure that this is proof that at that time there were no Wallachian settlers in Transylvania. The territory of later Wallachia region belonged to the Bulgarians first, later it came under Byzantine rule. Both Moldavia and Wallachia became occupied and ruled by the Cumans. Later your principalities became vassal state of the Hungarian kings and Polish kings, than romanians became an Ottoman province until 1878.

[Stears]

So dear blogen, go to your turanian homeland: romania (or an eastern slavic country), where your similar look anthropological cousins live.

[Stears]

Cumans proved unable to integrate into the Hungarian society, they spoke their language until the late 17th century. There were great hostility between cuman minority and Hungarians, even in the Ottoman times. Fortunatelly their 90% were exterminated by Ottomans and the Christian soldiers of Habsburgs and Hungarian royal troops during the recapture of Kingdom of Hungary (the great turkish wars) Read about it here: http://www.nyest.hu/renhirek/kunok-legyunk-vagy-magyarok http://www.nyest.hu/renhirek/kunok-bejovetele You are a descendant of the 1% cuman survivor, you live in a fake fantasy cumania, you are just a weird look foreign minority. So I suggest to go back your cuman-land: Romania, where the majority of your cuman cousins survived the centuries. Please leave alone the Hungarians.

[zhaoyun]

Cumans proved unable to integrate into the Hungarian society, they spoke their language until the late 17th century. There were great hostility between cuman minority and Hungarians, even in the Ottoman times. Fortunatelly their 90% were exterminated by Ottomans and the Christian soldiers of Habsburgs and Hungarian royal troops during the recapture of Kingdom of Hungary (the great turkish wars) Read about it here: http://www.nyest.hu/renhirek/kunok-legyunk-vagy-magyarok http://www.nyest.hu/renhirek/kunok-bejovetele

I had a Hungarian friend before, and he told me he looked more Cuman than Magyar. I didn't really understand what he meant then, but I do now, he had a wider, more Central Asian look than Nordic or classically European.

He also told me when he was in Hungary, he used to fist Stear's ass, I didn't really understand what he meant then, but I do now.

[Stears]

He also told me when he was in Hungary, he used to fist Stear's ass, I didn't really understand what he meant then, but I do now. IS it the modern chinese culture?

[zhaoyun]

IS it the modern chinese culture?

He was a Hungarian in Budapest with his fist up your Magyar ass, what does that have to do with Chinese culture?

[Stears]

He was a Hungarian in Budapest with his fist up your Magyar ass, what does that have to do with Chinese culture? No dear gay-boy clown, I wrote about your theme.

[Cern]

She?

http://kulter.hu/wp-content/uploads/Szab%C3%B3-T.-Anna2.jpg

http://www.5kkozpont.hu/pic/upload/szabo_t_anna_dobo_laszlofotoja_01_v(1)(1).jpg

[Stears]

She? http://kulter.hu/wp-content/uploads/Szab%C3%B3-T.-Anna2.jpg http://www.5kkozpont.hu/pic/upload/szabo_t_anna_dobo_laszlofotoja_01_v(1)(1).jpg Anna has very typical gypsy features. (eye-shape and face) Just read about her ancestry: http://www.civishir.hu/hajdu-bihari-hirek/debreceni-hirek/2011/02/20/103704/borbely_szilard_versevel_emlekeznek_a_ciganyok.htm l

[Cern]

Anna has very typical gypsy features. (eye-shape and face) Just read about her ancestry: http://www.civishir.hu/hajdu-bihari-hirek/debreceni-hirek/2011/02/20/103704/borbely_szilard_versevel_emlekeznek_a_ciganyok.htm l

This man? Original pure Hungarian?

http://hirportal.sikerado.hu/images/kep/201112/turi_kovacs_bela_f_burger_lajos.jpg

[Stears]

This man? Original pure Hungarian? http://hirportal.sikerado.hu/images/kep/201112/turi_kovacs_bela_f_burger_lajos.jpg He was born in Gyomaendrőd (originally Slovak village, which had also german minority), his name is also artificial : Turi-Kovács. He has germanic eyes, like the above pictured Franz Kretzschmar. When I lived in Germany, I saw many similar eye shapes on OLDER German people. But this eyeshape is frequent in Northern Europe, especially amongst the older people. Perhaps originally a Slovak-German mixture?

[Cern]

He was born in Gyomaendrőd (originally Slovak village, which had also german minority), his name is also artificial : Turi-Kovács. He has germanic eyes, like the above pictured Franz Kretzschmar. When I lived in Germany, I saw many similar eye shapes on OLDER German people. But this eyeshape is frequent in Northern Europe, especially amongst the older people. Perhaps originally a Slovak-German mixture?


:laugh:

You always make me laugh. :)

[blogen]

So the Székely origin and racially Pamirid Szabó T. Anna is a Gypsy and the Yenisei type Turi-Kovács Béla is a German in the Stears universum. :D

[Stears]

So the Székely origin and racially Pamirid Szabó T. Anna is a Gypsy and the Yenisei type Turi-Kovács Béla is a German in the Stears universum. :D Idiot descendant of primitive agrar proletarian parents! Read the newspaper, before you write such stupidities!: http://www.civishir.hu/hajdu-bihari-hirek/debreceni-hirek/2011/02/20/103704/borbely_szilard_versevel_emlekeznek_a_ciganyok.htm l Yes, Ceausescu settled many gypsy people in Székely-land. There are a lot of gypsies. About T.Kovács was born in a Slovak (and partially German) village........ so there is nothing strange.

[Stears]

Typical gypsy eyes: http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/75/indidgypsy8vh.jpg http://lh5.ggpht.com/_4j9QE0xT1QQ/RjIi9QjtsHI/AAAAAAAACV0/3vmpJ3TPr2o/C:%5CDocuments+and+Settings%5Ccyber+valley%5CDeskt op%5Cportrait9.JPG http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/03/article-2486333-19221C9000000578-473_964x561.jpg http://www.saratogafalcon.org/sites/default/files/styles/story_halfsize/public/uttara_0.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzaU62JOKmnqAGtszZdO_rhnNFCdU-mAf3V7PBDcKySW5uMi8AwA Original gypsy lands of India (where gypsies came) http://www.adventurersclub.org/images/Odier/AssamNose2.jpg http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff116/artilovesart61/Zigeuners/gypsies.jpg

[blogen]

So these peoples are Gypsies in the Stears universum:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RZzMg1MTtq0/TBjfRqzR7VI/AAAAAAAAA1g/8KDApQaqxig/s1600/Balla+Zs%C3%B3fia+OKkicsi.jpg
Balla Zsófia

http://www.prae.hu/prae/upload/gy%C3%B6re_balazs_200.jpg
Györe Balázs

http://www.litera.hu/img/Halasi_vendegl.JPG
Halasi Zoltán

http://www.hunlit.hu/files/writers/105.jpg
Imreh András

http://www.litera.hu/img/IMG_2061x.jpg
Kántor Péter (left)

http://kulter.hu/wp-content/uploads/Krusovszky1.JPG
Krusovszky Dénes

http://m.cdn.blog.hu/lm/lmpilisbuda/image/Portr%C3%A9fot%C3%B3k/KukorellyEndre2.jpg
Kukorelly Endre

http://www.litera.hu/files/article/lengyel%20p%C3%A9ter2.jpg
Lengyel Péter

http://www.irodalmijelen.hu/sites/default/files/field/image/Mesterh%C3%A1zi%20M%C3%B3nika.jpg
Mesterházi Mónika

http://gerloczysari.hu/wp-content/uploads/nemeth-gabor.jpg
Németh Gábor

http://ujszo.com/sites/default/files/photos/promoted/patri_nagy_lajos_-_somogyi_felv.jpg
Parti Nagy Lajos

http://www.kulturpart.hu/down/ed/image/2013/06/08/szab%C3%B3%20t%20anna.jpg
Szabó T. Anna

http://www.c3.hu/~ligal/wHPIM4375.jpg
Szijj Ferenc

http://www.fotocsill.hu/portre/slides/20vajda_mihaly.JPG
Vajda Mihály

http://www.maszol.ro/uploads/files/userfiles/images/tarsadalom/2013/oktober/15/voros_istvan.jpg
Vörös István

http://magyarnarancs.hu/data/cikk/7/84/33/cikk_78433/zavada_pal_mti_001.jpg
Závada Pál

:jump0000:

ps. They are the Hungarian literary intelligentsia's important members, mostly ethnic Magyars, but few of them are Jew or Slovak. So Stears maybe a teenager troll, if he does not know them.

[Stears]

So these peoples are Gypsies in the Stears universum: Balla Zsófia, Györe Balázs, Halasi Zoltán, Imreh András, Kántor Péter, Krusovszky Dénes, Kukorelly Endre, Lengyel Péter, Mesterházi Mónika, Németh Gábor, Parti Nagy Lajos, Szabó T. Anna, Szijj Ferenc, Vajda Mihály, Vörös István, Závada Pál. Fellép: Dés András, Dés László és Szalóki Ági. :jump0000: Since they they are mostly jewish, and many partially gypsy, and some politicians. Seriously, where can you find ethnic Hungarians (not just hungarian citizens) on this list?

[Stears]

Idiot proletarian, these are Jewish people. Webpage of Hungarian jews: http://zsido.hu/aktiv/shownews.php?kategoria=aktualis&sorszam=473&oldal=hirek&nodate There are a lot of articles about Jewish artists of Hungary. Just type their names one by one in google searcher: and type: site:zsido.hu CHECKMATE , uneducated boy of agrar-proletarian parents!

[blogen]

:picard1::picard2: We need a new and epic facepalm icon because of the Stears posts.

[Stears]

:picard1::picard2: We need a new and epic facepalm icon because of the Stears posts. His list contained the names of the participant of a holocaust commemoration (gypsy and Jewish). Prolietarian boy, you have been completely defeated and ashamed. Now you can search an other topic to save your face. Let it be an example for all uneducated people (like this economic refugee proletarian boy)

[Proto-Shaman]

:picard1::picard2: We need a new and epic facepalm icon because of the Stears posts.
this one:
http://www.mediaboom.org/uploads/posts/2012-01/1326636964_facepalm.jpg

or this:
http://wayoutmama.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/fetus-facepalm2.jpg

[Stears]

Hahahaha, the weird-look cuman-boy blogen is just angry, because he lost the debate (again)

[AseNa]

Franz Fuchs:
http://relevant.at/system/galleries/upload/6/5/5/12205/2451001141958609_BLD_Online.jpg
Looks almost like a Bashkir :chin: Especially his eyes. Very interesting, never thought Turano-Alpinoids even exist in some Germans :P

[archangel]

Hahahaha, the weird-look cuman-boy blogen is just angry, because he lost the debate (again)

better to look like a Cuman, a true north euroasian than some short inferior baltoid, or pontid slavic or germanic üntermensch

Plus millions of slavics and germanics had been killed and raped by these mighty steppe warriors because slavics and germanics are racially weak compared to these godly north euroasian cultures

[Stears]

I don't doubt there is Turanids there, but 25% of the population is quite bit. I wonder how overestimated the amount. Turanids are the people Cuman minority with turkic identity in Kunság region.

[Austrvegr]

Turanids are the only true Hungarians.

[Kamal900]

Fuck no, and the proper term between a Caucasoid and Mongoloid person is Eurasian. Turanid is nothing but a social construct invented by the pan-Turanist Turks and the like.

[Stears]

See this documentary film of Turkish TV about turkic identity Cuman minority of Hungary: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?172638-Strong-CUMAN-TURKIC-identity-amp-culture-in-Kuns%E1g-region-Hungary%28Documentum-film-of-the-Turkish-TV!!!

[Austrvegr]

It's nice to see Hungarians are reverting to their Eurasian roots.

[Stears]

It's nice to see Hungarians are reverting to their Eurasian roots.

It is nice, when a genetically proven asian inflected nation like russian try to be European. The endeavor for blondicism for a nation - where the ratio of adult natural blond people is so low (10% in Russia) - is ridiculous. See your head in a mirror.

[Proto-Shaman]

Fuck no, and the proper term between a Caucasoid and Mongoloid person is Eurasian. Turanid is nothing but a social construct invented by the pan-Turanist Turks and the like.
The anthropological term "Turanid" is a fabrication of 19th c. western scholarship to start with :picard2:

[Antimage]

some Germans with Turanid features...

Franz Fuchs:
http://relevant.at/system/galleries/upload/6/5/5/12205/2451001141958609_BLD_Online.jpg

Franz Kretzschmar:
http://www.ksta.de/image/view/2009/10/13/12818398,11123624,dmData,maxh,480,maxw,480,Frank+K retzschmar+%25281254230028304%2529.jpg

Eva Mattes:
http://www.weverinck.de/img/fotos/presse/mattes02.jpg

further:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45384&d=1394541775
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45386&d=1394541775

There are no turanids germans. Germans have no east asian admixture

[Nurzat]

Do Turanids really exist in Hungary?

no. they exist in seashore Ukraine and seashore Romania, where hundreds and tens of thousands of Tatars still live

[Proto-Shaman]

There are no turanids germans.
yes, there are. I have at least 50 persons in my folder.


Germans have no east asian admixture
Turanids arent east asian either.

[Antimage]

yes, there are. I have at least 50 persons in my folder.


Turanids arent east asian either.
germans don't have mongoloid admixture

The people you posted aren't turanid either

[Stears]

germans don't have mongoloid admixture

The people you posted aren't turanid either

Northern Germans have.

[Antimage]

Northern Germans have.

how much? 1%? That little doesn't show on phenotype

[Seth MacFarlane]

Don't think so but I can't take into account a lot of people's classifications , ppl think anybody with smaller eyes is turanid apparently sooo.... :rolleyes:

[Antimage]

Don't think so but I can't take into account a lot of people's classifications , ppl think anybody with smaller eyes is turanid apparently sooo.... :rolleyes:

yes, kipchak hakan tries to turanify everything, I remember when he claimed that one of the italian members here was turanid

[Stears]

Don't think so but I can't take into account a lot of people's classifications , ppl think anybody with smaller eyes is turanid apparently sooo.... :rolleyes:

Big eyes mean semitic and negroid admixture in Europe. See southern Europeans and Balkans. In Central and Western Europe the eyes are smaller.

[Minesweeper]

Big eyes mean semitic and negroid admixture in Europe. See southern Europeans and Balkans. In Central and Western Europe the eyes are smaller.

But your eyes are big!?

[Imam]

Big eyes mean semitic and negroid admixture in Europe. See southern Europeans and Balkans. In Central and Western Europe the eyes are smaller.


But your eyes are big!?

LMAO

[Togarma]

The people here think all small eyes means mongoloid admixture. Infact many ancient remains shows this type of eye shape very common even in europe. It's an evolutional apperance to fight very cold climate conditions. Neanderthals, cromagnons and early euro asians were share this. And the means of Turanid (if there is a race) here just wrong. Any race mix with another to this scale in ancient times is impossible. There are some examples but from wery late times in human history. Actualy Turanids are almost origin for all people in northern hemisphere. Other races grow in isolated conditions later. This is nothing abouth Pan Turkism or Pan Something else like some ones mentioned before. This is a scientific fact. Hatefull trolls certainly atack my post again but who cares them anyway.

[Proto-Shaman]

germans don't have mongoloid admixture.
Turanids aren't Mongoloids either.


The people you posted aren't turanid either
This guy for example looks hardcore-Turk, a typical Turanid-Alpine blend. Typical for Bashkirs and Britains.
http://cdn.salzburg.com/nachrichten/uploads/pics/2013-12/orginal/briefbomben-kein-thema-mehr-in-franz-fuchs-heimat-41-50051820.jpg

[Antimage]

Turanids aren't Mongoloids either.
one needs to be mongoloid admixed to look turanid but germans are autosomally 0% mongoloid



This guy for example looks hardcore-Turk, a typical Turanid-Alpine blend. Typical for Bashkirs and Britains.
http://cdn.salzburg.com/nachrichten/uploads/pics/2013-12/orginal/briefbomben-kein-thema-mehr-in-franz-fuchs-heimat-41-50051820.jpg

He doesn't look turk, he looks european. Where do you see turanid in him? You find this look among Bashkirs because bashkirs are genetically mostly european themselves.

what does it mean to look turk anyway? There isn't even a turk look, turks are mixture of 50 differen ethnicities. Kazakhs and Uzbeks live next to each other yet they look very different

[Proto-Shaman]

one needs to be mongoloid admixed to look turanid but germans are 0% mongoloid
I never said Germans have Mongoloid admixture. Why trying to twist my words with old school moron methods?


what does it mean to look turk anyway? There isn't even a turk look, turks are mixture of 50 differen ethnicities. Kazakhs and Uzbeks live next to each other yet they look very different
I said: he looks hardcore Turk, because its a fact. What is so difficult to understand?


He doesn't look turk, he looks european. Where do you see turanid in him? You find this look among Bashkirs because bashkirs are genetically mostly european themselves.
Facial structure reveals it. This look is Turanid-Alpine and can be found mostly among modern Kipchaks. Autosomally Bashkirs are ~50% Asian and ~50% Europ>>>oid<<< btw.

[Turkminator]

what does it mean to look turk anyway? There isn't even a turk look, turks are mixture of 50 differen ethnicities. Kazakhs and Uzbeks live next to each other yet they look very different

What sort of a mentally inferior logic is that? In Germany lives 70 different ethnicities. In Hungary, there are an estimated 35 different ethnicities.

Forming these minorities now the population basis of the ethnic Hungarians and Germans?

Btw, do not abuse the Turkic Cumans in your profile! You are not a Turk!

[Antimage]

I said: he looks hardcore Turk, because its a fact.




no it is not a fact, it is your opinion

the guy is 100% european and you are a liar propagandist

[Proto-Shaman]

no it is not a fact, it is your opinion

the guy is 100% european and you are a liar propagandist
Come on. Go to bed and sleep, its late.

[safrax]

All of them are clear Caucasoid, based on their rounded cheekbone. The first two guy are basically Alpinoids and the last guy is a Protoeuropid (Cromagnoid C). He is close to the Turanid race, since the Turanids are a Protoeuropid mix with Mongoloid, but he is not mixed, only a Cromagnoid.

cool. Thanks!:thumb001:

[Sora]

I think Turanid is very rare in Hungary. The most Hungarians who have Euro-Mongoloid phenotype are mostly Uralid(Nordid + Sibirid/Samoyedic), I guess

[Laag]

I think Turanid is very rare in Hungary. The most Hungarians who have Euro-Mongoloid phenotype are mostly Uralid(Nordid + Sibirid/Samoyedic), I guess

Not really. It is almost impossible to find the Uralische type among Hungarians. Ymyyakhtakh found only one example.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313825-Classify-Uralische-Hungarian-handball-player-%C3%81gnes-Horny%C3%A1k
She really can pass as Khanty but this is an exception. The majority of Hungarians look like examples below:


https://i.imgur.com/eW6J7Ew.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/I9pPK8d.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8IPeKAZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ETZAjTM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ccThGAr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2FMdgij.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Y25bqdx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KpJWp1g.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ly4zVec.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NDVFnKd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MmVpF8n.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zniRTnb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/R04xONF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RlFUqZW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1qZ4lfI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zOwG0TI.jpg


They look quite woggy compared to Khanty, Nenets, Mari, Udmurts or Komi. Look rather like Turks or Bulgarians.

[Jana]

Not really. It is almost impossible to find the Uralische type among Hungarians. Ymyyakhtakh found only one example.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313825-Classify-Uralische-Hungarian-handball-player-%C3%81gnes-Horny%C3%A1k
She really can pass as Khanty but this is an exception. The majority of Hungarians look like examples below:


https://i.imgur.com/eW6J7Ew.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/I9pPK8d.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8IPeKAZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ETZAjTM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ccThGAr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2FMdgij.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Y25bqdx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KpJWp1g.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ly4zVec.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NDVFnKd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MmVpF8n.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zniRTnb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/R04xONF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RlFUqZW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1qZ4lfI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zOwG0TI.jpg


They look quite woggy compared to Khanty, Nenets, Mari, Udmurts or Komi. Look rather like Turks or Bulgarians.

Stop being ridiculous, you are annoying with constant trolling.

[Benyzero]

Not really. It is almost impossible to find the Uralische type among Hungarians. Ymyyakhtakh found only one example.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313825-Classify-Uralische-Hungarian-handball-player-%C3%81gnes-Horny%C3%A1k
She really can pass as Khanty but this is an exception. The majority of Hungarians look like examples below:


https://i.imgur.com/eW6J7Ew.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/I9pPK8d.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8IPeKAZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ETZAjTM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ccThGAr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2FMdgij.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Y25bqdx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KpJWp1g.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ly4zVec.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NDVFnKd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MmVpF8n.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zniRTnb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/R04xONF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RlFUqZW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1qZ4lfI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zOwG0TI.jpg


They look quite woggy compared to Khanty, Nenets, Mari, Udmurts or Komi. Look rather like Turks or Bulgarians.

Your bitch ass is woggy :D

[Laag]

Guys what's wrong with you? They pass much better in Turkey or Bulgaria than in Udmurtia or Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug isn't that right?

[Mr.G]

Your bitch ass is woggy :D

I don't know about you Benny, but I quite enjoyed that stroll down Alfoldi Hungarian lane (utca), that Laag so thoughtfully provided.

[Benyzero]

I don't know about you Benny, but I quite enjoyed that stroll down Alfoldi Hungarian lane (utca), that Laag so thoughtfully provided.

The photos are okay. I would only say, noone stated that this uralische type would be common here, but I didn't read far back since its an older thread, maybe will later. My reaction was over the line, but the frustration is because he seems to exaggerating .

[Mr.G]

The photos are okay. I would only say, noone stated that this uralische type would be common here, but I didn't read far back since its an older thread, maybe will later. My reaction was over the line, but the frustration is because he seems to exaggerating .

Absolutely. I have no idea about the uralische type or anything else. I just liked seeing those interesting looking Hungarians, simple as that.

[Benyzero]

Absolutely. I have no idea about the uralische type or anything else. I just liked seeing those interesting looking Hungarians, simple as that.

Indeed most of them are pretty interesting looking :D I like to see old pictures, it always makes me think how our elders lived.

[Mr.G]

Indeed most of them are pretty interesting looking :D I like to see old pictures, it always makes me think how our elders lived.

Exactly, me too.

[Terminator98]

For all those who think that Hungarians are Semi-Mongols or something like that I have to say, you people are nuts. And yeah, opinion of these two mongols (laag and ymyyakhtakh) are irrelevant, they are frustrated because they dont look Euro so they have to spit on normal and good looking people (Bulgarians, Croatians, Serbs, Hungarians and Italians are usually targets :D).

[Laag]

More Hungarians. They are examples from Hungarian anthropologist Henkey Gyula.

https://i.imgur.com/aEdNCQP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XSp6cJx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aqXNlfx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ySHRbyb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nuKKkrO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/M0KZukS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2tGTxJE.jpg

[Blondie]

Your bitch ass is woggy :D

He is an asian-european mixed mongrel troll from Russia, racially mixed peoples are often autistic.

[Benyzero]

He is an asian-european mixed mongrel troll from Russia, racially mixed peoples are often autistic.

He is bored, and its not the time to feed the reindeers yet so he is trolling us instead

[Voskos]

I've seen one or two Hungarian Turanids on this forum. Never seen one irl.

[Laag]

Sorry not my fault if they look typical wogs.:)

[Jana]

Sorry not my fault if they look typical wogs.:)

Khanty, Mansi and Nenets look like Asian wogs compared to Hungarians, with their black hair and eyes. Hungarians are much lighter pigmented. Deal with that. :)

[aherne]

Khanty, Mansi and Nenets look like Asian wogs compared to Hungarians, with their black hair and eyes. Hungarians are much lighter pigmented. Deal with that. :)

They are not lighter pigmented, but they are almost pure Europeans.

[Aspirin]

Khanty, Mansi and Nenets look like Asian wogs compared to Hungarians, with their black hair and eyes. Hungarians are much lighter pigmented. Deal with that. :)

Only part of them have dark hair and eyes, they are borderline population living on both sides of Ural mountains. From all three, l meet only Nenets, the most mongoloid ones.

[Laag]

Khanty, Mansi and Nenets look like Asian wogs compared to Hungarians, with their black hair and eyes. Hungarians are much lighter pigmented. Deal with that. :)

Khanty, Mansi and Nenets are about 30-40% light eyed. They lighter eyed than the whole of Southern Europe. And they don't look wog at all. :)

https://i.imgur.com/psAtT3U.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/29IeAOu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Xk1obwA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/46s4X6l.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1bcMKdj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TyVFxer.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XrKEcSv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TF6Q93I.jpg

[pajkosbalna]

They exist but they are very rare

[Ymyyakhtakh]

Khanty, Mansi and Nenets look like Asian wogs compared to Hungarians, with their black hair and eyes. Hungarians are much lighter pigmented. Deal with that. :)

Saying that Siberians look like Southern Europeans is like saying that Northern Europeans look like Southeast Asians.

Typical whites look woggy from an NEE point of view, and to us most whites are semi-wogs or full wogs. Therefore wog is more or less synonymous with Caucasoid, because only a fraction of Caucasoids are not semi-wog or worse. White admixture makes Mongoloids look more woggy, so why would Mongoloid admixture make whites look more woggy?

Mongoloids who look white look woggy, like the Eskimo boy in the top left corner in this image. For example he has white-like high upper eyelid exposure, dark areas around the eyes, and protruding eyeballs. He also has a white-like convex nasal bridge and downturned nose, and he has a white-like underdeveloped facial skeleton.

https://i.imgur.com/DrQnboI.jpg

Out of these two Hungarian handball players, the one on the right looks more woggy, because she has a less well-developed facial skeleton with smaller cheekbones and a smaller mandible, lower forward growth, a longer and more convex nose with a higher bride of the nose, more prominent eyelids, and a more protruding chin. She looks more like an average white, and basically wog morphology is exaggerated white morphology. The girl on the left looks like an anti-wog, because she is very Uralische, and she is morphologically similar to Khanty.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Hornyák_Ágnes_Ferling_Bernadett.jpg

[Jana]

They are not lighter pigmented, but they are almost pure Europeans.


Only part of them have dark hair and eyes, they are borderline population living on both sides of Ural mountains. From all three, l meet only Nenets, the most mongoloid ones.


Khanty, Mansi and Nenets are about 30-40% light eyed. They lighter eyed than the whole of Southern Europe. And they don't look wog at all. :)

https://i.imgur.com/psAtT3U.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/29IeAOu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Xk1obwA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/46s4X6l.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1bcMKdj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TyVFxer.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XrKEcSv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TF6Q93I.jpg


These groups are like 85% dark eyed with black hair and Siberian features. Don't be fooled by Russian mixes these guys post, pure examples are as dark as anything in MENA.

[Jana]

Saying that Siberians look like Southern Europeans is like saying that Northern Europeans look like Southeast Asians.

Wog means swarthy. Unmixed Siberians are as swarthy as Gypsies on average. Deal with it.

[Impaler]

A Hungarian woman with a Mongoloid look.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?308253-Classify-true-Mongoloid-Hungarian-look

[Mr.G]

Nothing wrong with looking Turanid, not sure why this is perceived as an insult? And I agree, from what I have seen it's very rare in Hungary.

[aherne]

These groups are like 85% dark eyed with black hair and Siberian features. Don't be fooled by Russian mixes these guys post, pure examples are as dark as anything in MENA.

Samoyeds:


Sommer's data on hair and eye color, again, shows some thirty per cent with mixed or light eyes, and the same number with hair ranging from medium brown to blond. As with the Lapps, the women are notably darker in hair and eye color than the men. This pigmentation variability, in view of the sex linkage, would indicate that the Samoyeds as well as the Lapps, but in lesser degree, had been subjected to mixture with peoples of European racial character. This mixture may be explained in several ways: (a) by the retention of an early non-mongoloid condition derived from ancient Uralic-speaking ancestors; (b) by contact with central Asiatic Nordics before the departure of the Samoyeds for Europe; (c) by mixture with Ugrians, Finns, Slavs, and others in western Siberia and northern Russia.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IX3.htm

Ob Ugrians (Khanti/Mansis):


Sommier, with a series of 106 male Ostiaks, finds 50 per cent to have brown eyes, and the rest mixed and light; the Voguls are apparently somewhat lighter eyed.85 About 25 per cent of Ostiaks have light brown or blond hair, and the Voguls are again slightly fairer.86 In both groups and in all series, black hair is very much in the minority. Ten per cent of it among Ostiaks may well indicate Samoyed admixture.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IX9.htm

Hungarians:


The pigment characters, judging from what has been published, are on the brunet side of medium; Over 50 per cent of eyes seem to be dark or predominantly dark, while black and dark brown hair shades reach approximately the same figure.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII11.htm

In terms of skin pigmentation, Hungarians are MUCH more brunet than either of the three Siberian peoples.

[Aileron]

I think original Magyars(They were kinda related with steppe tribes such as Turks and others) were much more Turanid influenced but due to mixing with existing Slavs and Balkanians its probably diluted

[The Blade]

25% is a ridiculous old school claim. However, despite being rare, Turanids exist among Hungarians.

[thenewestmember]

Is Turanid means Turkish look? I saw Turkish looking Hungarians