Wondering about my EUtest

[Shuffle]

Not too long ago I got my FamilyFinder-Results from FTDNA, now I am playing around with Gedmatch a little bit. I did the EUtest V2 and I am wondering now if it shows my ancestry. I am 100 % South-German, my mother's ancestry comes from an area between Munich in the west, the Bavarian Forest in the east, the Danube in the north and the Inn in the south, there seems to be no other ancestry than people born in this relatively small area. My father's ansestry is a little more diverse, because he is danubeswabian, his ancestors came from all over Southwestgermany, Baden-Wurttemberg, Lorraine, Sarre, Rhineland-Palatine, Alsace etc., they lived for about 150 years in the area which is Northern-Serbia today, but as far as I know they never intermarried with Serbs, Croats or even Hungarians, so his ancestry is Southwest-German. I think I got a pretty high mediterranean score, what do you think?


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 31.36
2 Atlantic 21.36
3 West_Med 12.5
4 Baltic 11.43
5 East_Med 9.44
6 Eastern_Euro 8.11
7 West_Asian 3.44
8 Oceanian 1.14
9 Siberian 0.6
10 South_Asian 0.33
11 Red_Sea 0.22
12 Northeast_African 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 7.44
2 German 7.82
3 Dutch 9.85
4 Southwest_English 9.99
5 Southeast_English 10.7
6 Danish 11.81
7 Hungarian 11.94
8 Norwegian 12.32
9 Irish 12.53
10 Orcadian 12.54
11 Swedish 12.69
12 Austrian 12.84
13 West_Scottish 12.89
14 Spanish_Galicia 13.49
15 Serbian 13.54
16 North_Swedish 13.92
17 Spanish_Cataluna 14.3
18 Portuguese 14.62
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.79
20 Spanish_Extremadura 16.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.5% Norwegian + 36.5% Tuscan @ 3.18
2 57.9% Swedish + 42.1% North_Italian @ 3.31
3 62.8% Swedish + 37.2% Tuscan @ 3.49
4 58.7% Norwegian + 41.3% North_Italian @ 3.51
5 67.4% Orcadian + 32.6% Greek @ 3.99
6 69.7% Dutch + 30.3% Tuscan @ 4.25
7 68% Norwegian + 32% Greek @ 4.32
8 73.5% Dutch + 26.5% Greek @ 4.36
9 55.7% North_Swedish + 44.3% North_Italian @ 4.36
10 82.7% Dutch + 17.3% Cyprian @ 4.51
11 76% Dutch + 24% Ashkenazi @ 4.57
12 75.2% Norwegian + 24.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.59
13 79.9% Dutch + 20.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.63
14 63.7% Orcadian + 36.3% Tuscan @ 4.68
15 65.7% Dutch + 34.3% North_Italian @ 4.76
16 84.6% Dutch + 15.4% Samaritan @ 4.79
17 62.1% Orcadian + 37.9% Bulgarian @ 4.92
18 85.1% Dutch + 14.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.95
19 61% North_Swedish + 39% Tuscan @ 4.96
20 70.5% Orcadian + 29.5% Ashkenazi @ 5

[Caismeachd]

Your results are pretty typical for a Western European.

[Jackson]

I think that's fairly typical for a southern German. Although i think it would be better if a specifically southern German population was included. As Southern/Southwestern Germans seem to be genetically between northern/central Germans and French, the fact you are evenly between the two as well suggests you are typical. Having 7 as your closest match is quite a large distance, but again this can be explained with the same reasoning.

I mean looking at your oracle results, if you drew a line from the Netherlands to Central Italy and marked it about a third of the way down, the mark would probably be in southwestern Germany.

What do you get for EUtest V1?

[Shuffle]

Thanks, it seems like everybody met everybody in Southern Germany and in France! ;-) Family Finder scores me 86 % Western European (French, Orcadian) and 13 % Near Eastern (Jewish), I don't have any known jewish ancestry, my grandmother's maiden name was a name which is normally typical for Ashkenazi jews but the family was catholic.

EU-Test brings:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.14
2 ATLANTIC 21.34
3 WEST_MED 14.42
4 SOUTH_BALTIC 13.14
5 EAST_EURO 10.64
6 EAST_MED 10.39
7 WEST_ASIAN 4.37
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.35
9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.17
10 EAST_ASIAN 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_&_Central_German 6.12
2 AT 6.75
3 NL 7.11
4 FR 7.78
5 English 8.59
6 Cornish 9.3
7 DK 10.65
8 Orcadian 11.27
9 IE 12.01
10 NO 12.2
11 HU 12.24
12 Serbian 12.4
13 South_&_Central_Swedish 12.4
14 Scottish 13.29
15 PT 13.65
16 North_Swedish 14.83
17 North_Italian 14.93
18 ES 14.93
19 RO 15.28
20 Tuscan 18.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% South_&_Central_Swedish + 39.5% Tuscan @ 2.25
2 61% NO + 39% Tuscan @ 2.51
3 77.1% West_&_Central_German + 22.9% Tuscan @ 2.6
4 74.1% NL + 25.9% Tuscan @ 2.88
5 82% NL + 18% GR @ 2.91
6 73.1% West_&_Central_German + 26.9% North_Italian @ 2.92
7 54.9% South_&_Central_Swedish + 45.1% North_Italian @ 2.97
8 55.3% NO + 44.7% North_Italian @ 3.02
9 58.9% DK + 41.1% North_Italian @ 3.17
10 64.6% DK + 35.4% Tuscan @ 3.18
11 81.6% NL + 18.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.21
12 85.1% West_&_Central_German + 14.9% GR @ 3.28
13 69.8% NL + 30.2% North_Italian @ 3.29
14 84.6% West_&_Central_German + 15.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.35
15 65.4% English + 34.6% RO @ 3.4
16 60.4% English + 39.6% Serbian @ 3.65
17 90.1% West_&_Central_German + 9.9% Sardinian @ 3.66
18 56.2% North_Swedish + 43.8% Tuscan @ 3.72
19 89.2% NL + 10.8% Druze @ 3.73
20 79.2% English + 20.8% GR @ 3.76

[Graham]

I think Germans score like Brits/Irish. But Germans have higher W Med and E Med( Some English like Jacksons family also score well on E & W Med). We are higher N atl.


This is what I'd expect for a German. Plus have noticed a similarity with some Germans and parts of France.

[Caismeachd]

Theres a jtest (jewish ancestry) on gedmatch as well. You'll most like score about 3-5% on it.

[Jackson]

I think Germans score like Brits/Irish. But Germans have higher W Med and E Med( Some English like Jacksons family also score well on E & W Med). We are higher N atl.


This is what I'd expect for a German. Plus have noticed a similarity with some Germans and parts of France.

True, compared to my results he pretty much just has more Mediterranean (east and west) at the expense of Northwest European, but the Eastern European amounts are basically the same:

1 North_Sea 34.34
2 Atlantic 24.73
3 Baltic 11.82
4 Eastern_Euro 8.91
5 West_Med 8.52
6 East_Med 4.31
7 West_Asian 3.67
8 Red_Sea 1.7
9 South_Asian 0.89
10 Sub-Saharan 0.56
11 Oceanian 0.41
12 Amerindian 0.13
13 Northeast_African 0.01

[Stormer99]

Thanks, it seems like everybody met everybody in Southern Germany and in France! ;-) Family Finder scores me 86 % Western European (French, Orcadian) and 13 % Near Eastern (Jewish), I don't have any known jewish ancestry, my grandmother's maiden name was a name which is normally typical for Ashkenazi jews but the family was catholic.

EU-Test brings:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.14
2 ATLANTIC 21.34
3 WEST_MED 14.42
4 SOUTH_BALTIC 13.14
5 EAST_EURO 10.64
6 EAST_MED 10.39
7 WEST_ASIAN 4.37
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.35
9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.17
10 EAST_ASIAN 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_&_Central_German 6.12
2 AT 6.75
3 NL 7.11
4 FR 7.78
5 English 8.59
6 Cornish 9.3
7 DK 10.65
8 Orcadian 11.27
9 IE 12.01
10 NO 12.2
11 HU 12.24
12 Serbian 12.4
13 South_&_Central_Swedish 12.4
14 Scottish 13.29
15 PT 13.65
16 North_Swedish 14.83
17 North_Italian 14.93
18 ES 14.93
19 RO 15.28
20 Tuscan 18.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% South_&_Central_Swedish + 39.5% Tuscan @ 2.25
2 61% NO + 39% Tuscan @ 2.51
3 77.1% West_&_Central_German + 22.9% Tuscan @ 2.6
4 74.1% NL + 25.9% Tuscan @ 2.88
5 82% NL + 18% GR @ 2.91
6 73.1% West_&_Central_German + 26.9% North_Italian @ 2.92
7 54.9% South_&_Central_Swedish + 45.1% North_Italian @ 2.97
8 55.3% NO + 44.7% North_Italian @ 3.02
9 58.9% DK + 41.1% North_Italian @ 3.17
10 64.6% DK + 35.4% Tuscan @ 3.18
11 81.6% NL + 18.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.21
12 85.1% West_&_Central_German + 14.9% GR @ 3.28
13 69.8% NL + 30.2% North_Italian @ 3.29
14 84.6% West_&_Central_German + 15.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.35
15 65.4% English + 34.6% RO @ 3.4
16 60.4% English + 39.6% Serbian @ 3.65
17 90.1% West_&_Central_German + 9.9% Sardinian @ 3.66
18 56.2% North_Swedish + 43.8% Tuscan @ 3.72
19 89.2% NL + 10.8% Druze @ 3.73
20 79.2% English + 20.8% GR @ 3.76

Do you get lots of Ashkenazi relatives?

[Shuffle]

Summing up West-Med, East-Med and West-Asian I get over 29 % Mediterranean, I wouldn't have expected it so high, but maybe it's normal for South-Germany, the area south of the danube was Roman for a long time and the Western areas like Lorraine got the same influences like many other parts of France.

I get a whole bunch of jewish Matches on FTDNA, I was surprised about it, it seems nearly half of all my matches have names which seem to be ashkenazi! On the Jtest I get 5,8 % Askenazi on the expense of East-Med and a bit of West-Med, too. So I don't know what to think about.

[Armatus]

Your EU test values are pretty normal, what surprises me is your 13% Middle Eastern at FTDNA Population finder. I score more Near Eastern & Red Sea than you at EU Test, but Population Finder tells me 100.00% European. Maybe you really have some jewish blood. I quickly compared our results (I'm mainly from Rhineland-Palatinate) and our scores are similar except that i'm more western.


North_Sea 32.70 - 31.36
Atlantic 21.26 - 21.36
Baltic 9.52 - 11.43
Eastern_Euro 8.80 - 8.11
West_Med 15.58 - 12.50
West_Asian 4.82 - 3.44
East_Med 3.54 - 9.44
Red_Sea 3.23 - 0.22

Our Total Med is also relatively similar.

[Shuffle]

Jtest gives me that:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 13.08%
EAST_EURO 10.34%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 24.77%
ATLANTIC 20.43%
WEST_MED 13.56%
ASHKENAZI 5.87%
EAST_MED 8.39%
WEST_ASIAN 3.51%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.05%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -



FTDNA says this:

DETAILS
Continent (Subcontinent) Population Percentage Margin of Error
Europe (Western European) French, Orcadian 86,08% ±6,13%
Middle East (Jewish) Jewish 13,92 ±6,13%

Ashkenazi is not that high in the Jtest but maybe high enough to be significant? Eastern-Med is still high, I don't score Middle-Eastern at all in this test. Whats significant seems to be that I score relatively high Eastern-med values. I don't know anything about jewish ancestry, but like I said, my Grandmother's maiden name was a name which seems to be typical for ashkenazi jews, I wasn't aware of this but when I googled the name I got many links to jewish persons, so maybe my great-great-grandparents were proselytes? I don't think that it's from my mother's side since ther weren't many jews in Bavaria after the middle ages, but there's one dead end, my great-grandmother was an illegitime child, so nobody knows who her father was...

[Sehnsucht]

When I add up your total European score for the Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 (N.Sea, Atlantic, W.Med, Baltic, E.Euro) it adds up to 84.76%. On the EUtest it is very similar, 84.68%. My mom is (partially) German, and that's not too far behind her, she gets 87.42% and 86.6% Total Euro. Your East Med looks like it's on the high side, though.


I have looked at the population averages of various European countries, Germans are very similar to other North Europeans such as British/Irish and Scandinavian, but they have somewhat of a slight "pull" or "affinity" towards Middle East, their Med and Middle east components are slightly higher at the expense of the northern Euro components. You can see this in my mother's and her sisters results who are half German, it is mostly NW Euro but has elevated Middle eastern components.

Southern Germans (and even Austrians for that matter) I would expect to score slightly higher percentages of Med and Middle east components than other Germans since that seems to be the trend the further south in Europe you go. Italians and Greeks have a strong affinity towards the Mideastern and Jewish populations.

[Hevo]

These are the results of an East French person.(Graham posted this one a few months ago)



East French
SOUTH_BALTIC 12.36%
EAST_EURO 8.07%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.87%
ATLANTIC 21.52%
WEST_MED 15.69%
EAST_MED 13.70%
WEST_ASIAN 2.35%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.18%
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN 0.26%
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -
Oracle
1 FR 7.53
2 West_&_Central_German 9.35
3 AT 9.7
4 NL 10.13
5 English 10.86
6 Cornish 11.58
7 PT 11.9
8 North_Italian 13.33
9 ES 13.39
10 DK 13.47

[Jackson]

These are the results of an East French person.(Graham posted this one a few months ago)

Sort of like the other side of the coin i guess. Or the border. Clear differences but also clear similarities.

[Shuffle]

Dodecad World9 brings me close to the french:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 66.83
2 Southern 17.42
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 13.54
4 South_Asian 0.73
5 Australasian 0.63
6 Amerindian 0.45
7 Siberian 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French (HGDP) 3.6
2 Hungarians (Behar) 4.06
3 French (Dodecad) 4.86
4 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.61
5 Dutch (Dodecad) 8.68
6 German (Dodecad) 9.27
7 Cataluna (1000 Genomes) 9.49
8 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 9.77
9 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 9.84
10 Kent (1000 Genomes) 10.02
11 British (Dodecad) 10.22
12 British_Isles (Dodecad) 11.18
13 Valencia (1000 Genomes) 11.19
14 Spaniards (Behar) 11.31
15 Spanish (Dodecad) 11.53
16 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 11.57
17 Cantabria (1000 Genomes) 11.73
18 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 12.03
19 Irish (Dodecad) 12.21
20 Baleares (1000 Genomes) 12.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.2% British (Dodecad) + 21.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 0.63
2 78.1% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 21.9% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 0.63
3 72.6% British (Dodecad) + 27.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.64
4 76.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 23.4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 0.66
5 63.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 36.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 0.66
6 75.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 24.2% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 0.67
7 78.8% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 21.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 0.67
8 67.9% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 32.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.67
9 77.8% British (Dodecad) + 22.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 0.69
10 78.5% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 21.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 0.69
11 81.2% British (Dodecad) + 18.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 0.7
12 77.5% British (Dodecad) + 22.5% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 0.7
13 76.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 23.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 0.71
14 87.2% British (Dodecad) + 12.8% Samaritians (Behar) @ 0.71
15 68.9% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 31.1% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 0.71
16 77.8% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 22.2% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 0.71
17 70.3% British (Dodecad) + 29.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.73
18 77.5% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 22.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 0.73
19 78.5% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 21.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 0.74
20 73.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 26.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.75

[Graham]

Try K13 & K15 Eurogenes. They're the two best ones imo in country locations & most up-to-date.

[Shuffle]

K13 brings me out French, too, a little more distant than Dodecad though:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.98
2 Baltic 23
3 West_Med 15.93
4 East_Med 12.16
5 West_Asian 5.09
6 Oceanian 1.28
7 Siberian 1.03
8 South_Asian 0.58
9 Red_Sea 0.58
10 Amerindian 0.2
11 Northeast_African 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 7
2 German 8.47
3 Austrian 9.5
4 Hungarian 10.99
5 Southeast_English 11.21
6 Dutch 11.49
7 Serbian 12.91
8 Southwest_English 13.29
9 Danish 13.31
10 Orcadian 13.31
11 Spanish_Cataluna 13.46
12 Portuguese 14.08
13 Spanish_Galicia 14.44
14 Irish 14.58
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.79
16 West_Scottish 14.96
17 Norwegian 15.07
18 Swedish 15.14
19 Romanian 15.63
20 Spanish_Valencia 15.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.3% Swedish + 41.7% Tuscan @ 2.62
2 62.6% Southeast_English + 37.4% Bulgarian @ 2.72
3 58.5% Norwegian + 41.5% Tuscan @ 2.76
4 58.7% Southeast_English + 41.3% Romanian @ 2.94
5 52.4% Swedish + 47.6% North_Italian @ 2.95
6 58.7% French + 41.3% Austrian @ 2.97
7 51.4% North_Italian + 48.6% North_Swedish @ 2.97
8 62.7% French + 37.3% Hungarian @ 3.12
9 72.7% German + 27.3% Tuscan @ 3.25
10 74.2% Dutch + 25.8% Ashkenazi @ 3.28
11 58.5% Southwest_English + 41.5% Bulgarian @ 3.44
12 53.9% Southeast_English + 46.1% Serbian @ 3.47
13 67.8% German + 32.2% North_Italian @ 3.49
14 52.6% Norwegian + 47.4% North_Italian @ 3.55
15 80.4% German + 19.6% Ashkenazi @ 3.56
16 54.3% Southwest_English + 45.7% Romanian @ 3.57
17 76.5% French + 23.5% Polish @ 3.57
18 81.5% French + 18.5% Ukrainian_Northeast @ 3.6
19 81.7% French + 18.3% Belorussian @ 3.65
20 65.5% Dutch + 34.5% Tuscan @ 3.66

[Alessio]

K15 places me : Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% Tuscan @ 6.951
2 50% Southwest_English +50% Tuscan @ 7.292
3 50% Irish +50% Tuscan @ 7.300

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Assyrian + French + French_Basque + Irish @ 2.991

And the distances are very large.

Try K13 & K15 Eurogenes. They're the two best ones imo in country locations & most up-to-date.

[Shuffle]

Yes in my case differences seem to be rather large, too!

Got my Eurogenes EEG-WHG-ANE now:

EEF 55,9462594418
WHG 30,6027091289
ANE 13,4510314293

Seems as if I am pretty close to french averages, not that near to Czechs, which are our neighbours to the east, a little closer to Hungarians with more WHG and less ANE though.