Irish schoolchildren to learn about atheism

[Kazimiera]

Irish schoolchildren to learn about atheism

Up to 16,000 primary-school pupils in multi-denominational sector will learn about atheism, and others will be offered courses on the internet and smartphone apps

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Richard Dawkins' The Magic of Reality is a key text in the first ever atheist curriculum for Irish schoolchildren. Photograph: Murdo MacLeod for the Guardian

In a historic move that will cheer Richard Dawkins, lessons about atheism are to be taught in Ireland's primary schools for the first time.

The lessons on atheism, agnosticism and humanism for thousands of primary-school pupils in Ireland will be drawn up by Atheist Ireland and multi-denominational school provider Educate Together, in an education system that the Catholic church hierarchy has traditionally dominated.

Up to 16,000 primary schoolchildren who attend the fast-growing multi-denominational Irish school sector will receive tuition about atheism as part of their basic introduction course to ethics and belief systems, including other religions.

From September 2014 children could be reading texts such as Dawkins' The Magic of Reality, his book aimed at children, according to Atheist Ireland.

But Michael Nugent, Atheist Ireland's co-founder, stressed that all primary-school pupils, including the 93% of the population who attend schools run by the Catholic church, can access their atheism course on the internet and by downloading an app on smartphones. He said these would be advertised and offered to all parents with children at primary schools in the state.

"There will be a module of 10 classes of between 30 to 40 minutes from the ages of four upwards. It is necessary because the Irish education system has for too long been totally biased in favour of religious indoctrination. And if parents whose kids are in schools under church control want to opt their kids out of learning religion (as is their right these days) then they can use our course as an alternative for their children to study," he said.

Nugent added: "Religion isn't even taught properly as an objective subject with various religions and their origins examined and explained. The teaching is to create faith formation first, not objective education. We see our course as a chance for young Irish children to get an alternative view on how the world works."

Jane Donnelly, a member of Atheist Ireland and a parent of two children in an Irish secondary school, welcomed the creation of an atheism alternative for Irish pupils.

"I opted my two girls out of religious education classes and they were told to go to the library and find a philosophy book to read during RE instead. The range of philosophy books was very limited so I sent them into school each day with a copy of Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion for them to read."


Religion, education and the Irish Republic

• God is omnipresent in the 1937 Irish constitution, with article 6.1 stating: "All powers of government, legislative, executive and judicial, derive, under God, from the people"; and article 44.1 noting: "The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion."

• Since the foundation of the republic, the Catholic church controls up to 93% of the state's 3,200 primary schools.

• The Catholic church's near monopoly of influence in education means that the ultimate power in each school is the local Catholic bishop.

• In Dublin the city's archbishop, Diarmuid Martin, is patron of about 470 primary schools. He is responsible for the management of the ethos of those schools, for senior appointments and is the one who can be sued when legal action takes place.

• The Irish taxpayer, and not the church, pays the bills for all the schools the hierarchy controls.

• The Irish education minister, Ruairi Quinn, has promised "the most radical change in primary education in Ireland since the state was founded in the 1920s" by taking the power of the church from running almost all schools in the state and putting it into the hands of elected governors. So far his reforms have not begun in earnest.

• This article was amended on 27 September 2013 to clarify that pupils in multi-denominational schools will learn about atheism as part of the wider curriculum covering ethics, beliefs and religion. Atheists will not be teaching children that God does not exist, as originally stated, rather, children will be educated about atheism, including the atheist belief that God does not exist.


Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/26/atheism-to-be-taught-irish-schoolchildren

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Thanks, Richard Dawkins. It's very important no one in UK breed, so they can be replaced with jihadists as soon as possible.

[Dál Riata]

Thanks, Richard Dawkins. It's very important no one in UK breed, so they can be replaced with jihadists as soon as possible.

More Atheist Fundamentalism being preached by the Atheist Fundamentalist, anti-White, anti-Christian but strangely pro-Islam and pro-race mixing rag known as the Guardian. A paper whose writers and readership are overwhelmingly self-hating white middle class Brits obsessed with strange sexual practices. One Guardian journalist recently vowed to 'destroy England' after the British government arrested his foreign gay boyfriend.

Notice the use of loaded terminology such as 'hierarchy' in relation to Catholicism. They may as well of said 'boo hiss'. Good job atheism doesn't have a hierarchy with Pope Dawkins or any Holy Books like the God Delusion which atheists read over and over again.

To give non-Brits an idea of how bad the Guardian is, it makes the New York Times look like Christian Tea Party propaganda.

[Oneeye]

LOL, the Catholics own schools that the public pays for? And a couple short classes on other religions are supposed to neutralize this? xD

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Watching the misfits. What's funny to me is they make it out like the only girls worth having a relationship with are black, the white girls are just good for an easy lay. Looks like they are trying to propagandize white guys to settle for unmixed black girls but it's not gonna happen.

[albosomething]

what's next, gay lectures, how to suck a dick, for girls how to lick a cunt, how to lose the virginity at 12 years old, how to become as degenerate as possible


but god forbid if these schools made programs to learn about abrahamic religions be it christianity islam or judaism

[Prisoner Of Ice]

what's next, gay lectures, how to suck a dick, for girls how to lick a cunt, how to lose the virginity at 12 years old, how to become as degenerate as possible


That's what the sex education classes are like in many places. That's why people in US get upset about them.

[Rambo07]

what's next, gay lectures, how to suck a dick, for girls how to lick a cunt, how to lose the virginity at 12 years old, how to become as degenerate as possible


but god forbid if these schools made programs to learn about abrahamic religions be it christianity islam or judaism

your comment made my day lol. haha

[Also]

Even if I was an atheist and wanted my kids to learn about atheism I am sure there is something better out there than Dawkin's literature.

[Proctor]

Even if I was an atheist and wanted my kids to learn about atheism I am sure there is something better out there than Dawkin's literature.

Dawkins is very blunt when it comes to issues like this.

[albosomething]

you know what

why not show Johnny Sins videos in sex ed classes

[albosomething]

That's what the sex education classes are like in many places. That's why people in US get upset about them.

people in the balkans would go berserk if things like this would happen.

It never ceases to amaze me how these people are complaining about what their kids are doing , western society is supporting fucked up people, plain and simple.


Your career is falling? Declare that you are gay/lesbian, and you'll have late night shows all over you trying to support u , saying things like oh my god you are such a strong person, such a great person, you go boy you go get that dick, you should continue to be proud that you are sexually perverted, it pisses me off like why would americans call brave people like this, they don't get hanged for these actions, they get marketing.

You are a 15 year old girl who has a kid? Well thats make a show about it bitch, you'll get lots of money and will secure your future

You are an obese 8 year old who acts like a totall bitch? well here's 10 years deal for a show!

you like recording taking a dick and moaning like a bitch? well here's a show for you, and your whole family and be secured financially for the rest of your life.

the whole west is fucked up and will eventually fall and it won't be pretty , it promotes degenerative things, it loves to destroy family , moral values (religion).

Why should a child learn and work hard to become something famous, when he/she could do something degenerative and be praised about it, its plain and simple.

Sooner rather than later people will get bored with gays, and homosexuality will be a normal thing. Then pedophiles, those who like screwing their families , or like to do it with animals will like their rights, anything degenerative will get praised and all these things will continue until we become a fucking jungle , wilderness, with no honor, no family, nothing.

[Fire Haired]

More Atheist Fundamentalism being preached by the Atheist Fundamentalist, anti-White, anti-Christian but strangely pro-Islam and pro-race mixing rag known as the Guardian. A paper whose writers and readership are overwhelmingly self-hating white middle class Brits obsessed with strange sexual practices. One Guardian journalist recently vowed to 'destroy England' after the British government arrested his foreign gay boyfriend.

Notice the use of loaded terminology such as 'hierarchy' in relation to Catholicism. They may as well of said 'boo hiss'. Good job atheism doesn't have a hierarchy with Pope Dawkins or any Holy Books like the God Delusion which atheists read over and over again.

To give non-Brits an idea of how bad the Guardian is, it makes the New York Times look like Christian Tea Party propaganda.

I am always shocked by the similarities between the far left in Europe and America. But why would far left people in Europe be anti-white? The reason many far left people in America lead towards being anti white is because this is not native land for white people it was taken from native Americans(complicated history), European imperialism(which includes many different sins), black slavery, past oppression of non whites in our society and other western societies, and because they are anti-tradition. Europeans are native to Europe, and most ethnicities like Latvians, Finnish, Estonians, Polish, Hungarian, etc. are just as innocent as African Americans. It must be from an anti traditional spirit.

[Fire Haired]

people in the balkans would go berserk if things like this would happen.

It never ceases to amaze me how these people are complaining about what their kids are doing , western society is supporting fucked up people, plain and simple.


Your career is falling? Declare that you are gay/lesbian, and you'll have late night shows all over you trying to support u , saying things like oh my god you are such a strong person, such a great person, you go boy you go get that dick, you should continue to be proud that you are sexually perverted, it pisses me off like why would americans call brave people like this, they don't get hanged for these actions, they get marketing.

You are a 15 year old girl who has a kid? Well thats make a show about it bitch, you'll get lots of money and will secure your future

You are an obese 8 year old who acts like a totall bitch? well here's 10 years deal for a show!

you like recording taking a dick and moaning like a bitch? well here's a show for you, and your whole family and be secured financially for the rest of your life.

the whole west is fucked up and will eventually fall and it won't be pretty , it promotes degenerative things, it loves to destroy family , moral values (religion).

Why should a child learn and work hard to become something famous, when he/she could do something degenerative and be praised about it, its plain and simple.

Sooner rather than later people will get bored with gays, and homosexuality will be a normal thing. Then pedophiles, those who like screwing their families , or like to do it with animals will like their rights, anything degenerative will get praised and all these things will continue until we become a fucking jungle , wilderness, with no honor, no family, nothing.

I think I might move to Albania.

[Dál Riata]

what's next, gay lectures, how to suck a dick, for girls how to lick a cunt, how to lose the virginity at 12 years old, how to become as degenerate as possible


but god forbid if these schools made programs to learn about abrahamic religions be it christianity islam or judaism

The Guardian newspaper has a long history of attacking religion, attacking national identity and patriotism, promoting promiscuity and sympathizing with sexual deviancy such as pedophilia and bestiality. Guardian writers have published articles in the past defending sex with children! And when Germany finally banned bestiality a couple of years ago, the Guardian interviewed some dogf*cker and blamed the 'discrimination' against animal f*ckers on 'American Christian Puritanism'!

[Fire Haired]

The Guardian newspaper has a long history of attacking religion, attacking national identity and patriotism, promoting promiscuity and sympathizing with sexual deviancy such as pedophilia and bestiality. Guardian writers have published articles in the past defending sex with children! And when Germany finally banned bestiality a couple of years ago, the Guardian interviewed some dogf*cker and blamed the 'discrimination' against animal f*ckers on 'American Christian Puritanism'!

I never thought anyone could go so extreme. Could you give sources? I should call the guardian to write a paper about a rapist in my town.

[albosomething]

The Guardian newspaper has a long history of attacking religion, attacking national identity and patriotism, promoting promiscuity and sympathizing with sexual deviancy such as pedophilia and bestiality. Guardian writers have published articles in the past defending sex with children! And when Germany finally banned bestiality a couple of years ago, the Guardian interviewed some dogf*cker and blamed the 'discrimination' against animal f*ckers on 'American Christian Puritanism'!

well that's what happens when you have open minded people.

Multiculturalism being promoted in all european places, no such thing as multiculturalism can happen in africa asia or anywhere else. only europe.

[albosomething]

I never thought anyone could go so extreme. Could you give sources? I should call the guardian to write a paper about a rapist in my town.

don't give them new ideas for tv shows

[Dál Riata]

I am always shocked by the similarities between the far left in Europe and America. But why would far left people in Europe be anti-white? The reason many far left people in America lead towards being anti white is because this is not native land for white people it was taken from native Americans(complicated history), European imperialism(which includes many different sins), black slavery, past oppression of non whites in our society and other western societies, and because they are anti-tradition. Europeans are native to Europe, and most ethnicities like Latvians, Finnish, Estonians, Polish, Hungarian, etc. are just as innocent as African Americans. It must be from an anti traditional spirit.

Its really hard to understand. If I get any more religious, I may start to think they're demonically possessed! The funny thing is that I used be left-wing myself, but that's just because I'm working class. The Labour Party which is the Socialist party in Britain was economically socialist but culturally conservative and Christian. It was a party for ordinary working class White Christians who just wanted a fair deal in life when they were kept down by the class system.

The trouble is that like all left-wing movements they got hijacked by the Cultural Marxists who were obsessed with things like race, gender, sexuality, etc. These were often rich people who were filled with self loathing for traditional society especially for the Christian religion but also for nation, race, family, etc. Instead of just helping poor people a little, they wanted to transform traditional society. Ironically this appalls the average working class person who is usually the most religious and patriotic group in the country. But the cultural far left dominates universities and the media especially the BBC which is filled with posh rich cultural leftists who despise Christianity and traditional culture.

[Methmatician]

This is about atheism and combating indoctrination by the Catholic church not race mixing and leftist influence on Western society.
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[Fire Haired]

Its really hard to understand. If I get any more religious, I may start to think they're demonically possessed! The funny thing is that I used be left-wing myself, but that's just because I'm working class. The Labour Party which is the Socialist party in Britain was economically socialist but culturally conservative and Christian. It was a party for ordinary working class White Christians who just wanted a fair deal in life when they were kept down by the class system.

The trouble is that like all left-wing movements they got hijacked by the Cultural Marxists who were obsessed with things like race, gender, sexuality, etc. These were often rich people who were filled with self loathing for traditional society especially for the Christian religion but also for nation, race, family, etc. Instead of just helping poor people a little, they wanted to transform traditional society. Ironically this appalls the average working class person who is usually the most religious and patriotic group in the country. But the cultural far left dominates universities and the media especially the BBC which is filled with posh rich cultural leftists who despise Christianity and traditional culture.

In the USA socially "conservative" people tend to be middle class of all races. The most socially "liberal" people tend to be rich whites, who are our media and education. When I say left I usually mean socially not economically. Union people in America may be similar to the Labour Party in Britain. Union people usually vote Democrat but are more conservative socially. That's my humble inexperienced 16 year old opinion.

[Fire Haired]

well that's what happens when you have open minded people.


Open mindedness isn't suppose to lead to insane perverted things like that. I see nothing wrong with allowing people immigrate to Europe if there is a better life there than their native country.


Multiculturalism being promoted in all european places, no such thing as multiculturalism can happen in africa asia or anywhere else. only europe.

That's one of many reasons why the west is the best. Immigration doesn't mean your nation is being conquered.

[Fire Haired]

This is about atheism and combating indoctrination by the Catholic church not race mixing and leftist influence on Western society.
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Its all connected. Race mixing I have no problem with unless people go crazy about encouraging it.

[Dál Riata]

I never thought anyone could go so extreme. Could you give sources? I should call the guardian to write a paper about a rapist in my town.

This writer is actually American but here she is in the Guardian.
"German bestiality ban: time the US changed some archaic sex laws.
America is no longer the beacon of freedom and tolerance – it's way behind nations like Germany on sexual liberalism" :blink:
German bestiality ban: time the US changed some archaic sex laws (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/29/german-bestiality-ban-us-sex-laws)

"When I look at my dog I know immediately what it wants. Animals are much easier to understand than women," :blink:
Germany to ban bestiality under animal welfare law (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/27/germany-bestiality-ban)

These criticisms are from a centre-right rival newspaper but I think they're honest and accurate.

The Guardian speaks up for paedophiles, flirts with anti-Semitism and jumps on every crazy Leftist bandwagon in sight. What happened to quality control? (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100196562/the-guardian-speaks-up-for-paedophiles-flirts-with-anti-semitism-and-jumps-on-every-crazy-leftist-bandwagon-in-sight-what-happened-to-quality-control/)

Guardian: Paedophiles are 'ordinary members of society' who need moral support (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100196502/guardian-paedophiles-are-ordinary-members-of-society-who-need-moral-support/)

Even Guardian readers are outraged by the paper's massive error of judgment over paedophilia (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100196685/even-guardian-readers-are-outraged-by-the-papers-massive-error-of-judgment-over-paedophilia/)

[Methmatician]

Its all connected. Race mixing I have no problem with unless people go crazy about encouraging it.
No it isn't. Atheism is not not a belief system or ideology with a set of guidelines telling you how to live. Anyone can be an atheist. You can even be a racist, sexist, xenophobic atheist.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Open mindedness isn't suppose to lead to insane perverted things like that. I see nothing wrong with allowing people immigrate to Europe if there is a better life there than their native country.



That's one of many reasons why the west is the best. Immigration doesn't mean your nation is being conquered.

Not if it's both ways, but one way and lots of it and you are doomed. You can't imagine what USA was like when I was a kid, makes me sad how much crapper it gets every day.

[Fire Haired]

Not if it's both ways, but one way and lots of it and you are doomed. You can't imagine what USA was like when I was a kid, makes me sad how much crapper it gets every day.

I know its complicated and there is a balance.

[Fire Haired]

No it isn't. Atheism is not not a belief system or ideology with a set of guidelines telling you how to live. Anyone can be an atheist. You can even be a racist, sexist, xenophobic atheist.

Atheism is connected, I know you can be atheist and countless other things but today it is oftenly connected to a certain ideology.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Its really hard to understand. If I get any more religious, I may start to think they're demonically possessed! The funny thing is that I used be left-wing myself, but that's just because I'm working class. The Labour Party which is the Socialist party in Britain was economically socialist but culturally conservative and Christian. It was a party for ordinary working class White Christians who just wanted a fair deal in life when they were kept down by the class system.

The trouble is that like all left-wing movements they got hijacked by the Cultural Marxists who were obsessed with things like race, gender, sexuality, etc. These were often rich people who were filled with self loathing for traditional society especially for the Christian religion but also for nation, race, family, etc. Instead of just helping poor people a little, they wanted to transform traditional society. Ironically this appalls the average working class person who is usually the most religious and patriotic group in the country. But the cultural far left dominates universities and the media especially the BBC which is filled with posh rich cultural leftists who despise Christianity and traditional culture.

Well, imagine you want to rule the world. So you are in some craphole country and everyone hates you. Then you move to some place where there's a smoking hot economy where you can get more wealth and power. Problem is, you are an outsider, and also many things you could do to make money require breaking many laws, for example you could make a lot more money with very cheap labor. You could make way more if you could drive farmers off their land. You could make unlimited money if you had all the farmland sewn up for yourself somehow, like monsanto.

So you are basically against everyone. Everyone who has any money, is your enemy. So you gang up with any sort of people who go against the majority, no matter how vile, no matter if they are also diametrically opposed to you in every other way, either.

That's what nobility has been like in europe for centuries. Now it's been replaced mostly by corporate world 'nobles'. They are wholly against the majority and only want to make them work harder. They are happiest if people work themselves to death without having kids and live a live where they squander everything they earn. That being the case they hate the church, try to promote gay sex and black on white sex, and even drug use. All to make a couple % more profit.

Basically they'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven, the purest definition of evil.

[Methmatician]

Atheism is connected, I know you can be atheist and countless other things but today it is oftenly connected to a certain ideology.
Yes, that ideology is non-belief.

[Fire Haired]

This writer is actually American but here she is in the Guardian. "German bestiality ban: time the US changed some archaic sex laws.
America is no longer the beacon of freedom and tolerance – it's way behind nations like Germany on sexual liberalism" :blink:
German bestiality ban: time the US changed some archaic sex laws (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/29/german-bestiality-ban-us-sex-laws)

"When I look at my dog I know immediately what it wants. Animals are much easier to understand than women," :blink:
Germany to ban bestiality under animal welfare law (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/27/germany-bestiality-ban)

These criticisms are from a centre-right rival newspaper but I think they're honest and accurate.

The Guardian speaks up for paedophiles, flirts with anti-Semitism and jumps on every crazy Leftist bandwagon in sight. What happened to quality control? (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100196562/the-guardian-speaks-up-for-paedophiles-flirts-with-anti-semitism-and-jumps-on-every-crazy-leftist-bandwagon-in-sight-what-happened-to-quality-control/)

Guardian: Paedophiles are 'ordinary members of society' who need moral support (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100196502/guardian-paedophiles-are-ordinary-members-of-society-who-need-moral-support/)

Even Guardian readers are outraged by the paper's massive error of judgment over paedophilia (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100196685/even-guardian-readers-are-outraged-by-the-papers-massive-error-of-judgment-over-paedophilia/)

Okay I believe you. There will always be people attracted to animals, children, the same gender, etc. but does that make it natural? I don't think it does.

[Dál Riata]

In the USA socially "conservative" people tend to be middle class of all races. The most socially "liberal" people tend to be rich whites, who are our media and education. When I say left I usually mean socially not economically. Union people in America may be similar to the Labour Party in Britain. Union people usually vote Democrat but are more conservative socially. That's my humble inexperienced 16 year old opinion.

I'd agree with your analysis there. You've got a wise head on those 16 year old shoulders :thumb001:

There's a big difference between being economic issues and social issues. The rich white elites tend to have the most perverted people and they attack the morals of the middle class and working class. Many ordinary people vote left wing for economic issues without realizing that the leftists are more interested in destroying their society than helping poor people.


No it isn't. Atheism is not not a belief system or ideology with a set of guidelines telling you how to live. Anyone can be an atheist. You can even be a racist, sexist, xenophobic atheist.

I agree that someone can be a moral, socially conservative and patriotic atheist. But religion is a cultural phenomenon whether or not its literally true. As something which underpins a society, if religion is attacked, the society is weakened and left open to attack. Think of it as a chess game. If we want to be literal, religion is represented by the bishop pieces. Lose your bishops early in the game, and you will be in a weakened position. Your other pieces can then be picked off leaving your king exposed, then its game over!

[Methmatician]

II agree that someone can be a moral, socially conservative and patriotic atheist. But religion is a cultural phenomenon whether or not its literally true. As something which underpins a society, if religion is attacked, the society is weakened and left open to attack. Think of it as a chess game. If we want to be literal, religion is represented by the bishop pieces. Lose your bishops early in the game, and you will be in a weakened position. Your other pieces can then be picked off leaving your king exposed, then its game over!
Societies that change are always vulnerable, but it's usually for the better.

[LightHouse89]

LOL, the Catholics own schools that the public pays for? And a couple short classes on other religions are supposed to neutralize this? xD

well the Irish gave up their language and culture..time to replace it with British Neo-Liberalism. They did this in New England now schools are Marxist Neo-Liberal institutions here.

[LightHouse89]

Societies that change are always vulnerable, but it's usually for the better.

Irelands changed to the point its no longer Irish. Apart of Irish culture was its language. Now its just anther part of England to appease the third world and England. Well the Irish signed for peace this is what they get re-Britishization. In away I would much rather them live under the IRA than this dark future.

[LightHouse89]

Okay I believe you. There will always be people attracted to animals, children, the same gender, etc. but does that make it natural? I don't think it does.

we must face the west is morally and socially beyond down the toilet. we are floating in the septic tank. maybe its for the best. Hopefully the ice bergs melt quicker to wash all of this filth into the sea. I just hope the sea spares actual Irish speakers.....let the fake plastic paddies get washed a over there.

[Methmatician]

Irelands changed to the point its no longer Irish. Apart of Irish culture was its language. Now its just anther part of England to appease the third world and England. Well the Irish signed for peace this is what they get re-Britishization. In away I would much rather them live under the IRA than this dark future.
What are you on about?

[LightHouse89]

What are you on about?

Last summer I went there to stay for a week and hardly anyone spoke the old language, the youth listen to black american ghetto music. It resembled America or England more than Ireland. Intellectuals there even say there is no such thing as celts or a celtic language so be its for the best they become apart of England. They legalized gay marriage there so its officially apart of the Anglo-Saxon world. I noticed that the fragile country is being flooded with immigrants from all over so its bound to be like England. So its England minor now to me. There is no such thing as irish its all British to me.

It may be wise to not take pride in being Irish soon that term will disappear and be meaningless like British. The road signs there are even in English. They should ban what areas speak the old language entirely. I don't think I will ever go back its a shame to see it the way it is.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

what's next, gay lectures, how to suck a dick, for girls how to lick a cunt, how to lose the virginity at 12 years old, how to become as degenerate as possible


but god forbid if these schools made programs to learn about abrahamic religions be it christianity islam or judaism

1. How to turn water into wine/ How to crucify someone 101
2. How to become a suicide bomber/ how to stone a woman 101
3. How to stage a genocide/ How to steal people's land 101

[Methmatician]

Last summer I went there to stay for a week and hardly anyone spoke the old language, the youth listen to black american ghetto music. It resembled America or England more than Ireland. Intellectuals there even say there is no such thing as celts or a celtic language so be its for the best they become apart of England. They legalized gay marriage there so its officially apart of the Anglo-Saxon world. I noticed that the fragile country is being flooded with immigrants from all over so its bound to be like England. So its England minor now to me. There is no such thing as irish its all British to me.

It may be wise to not take pride in being Irish soon that term will disappear and be meaningless like British. The road signs there are even in English. They should ban what areas speak the old language entirely. I don't think I will ever go back its a shame to see it the way it is.
What does that have to do with atheism being taught in schools? All this occurred while Catholicism was being taught and Ireland was independent. And if you only allow English to be spoken then you are destroying Irish culture.

[LightHouse89]

Well the Irish school system is Marxist. They are doing away with their language and have replaced their language with English. So its basically British not Irish. English is what the road signs are all in, not Gaellic. But the people don't want to speak their language anymore so its basically British to me. They should ditch their flag for the British flag.

[Methmatician]

Well the Irish school system is Marxist. They are doing away with their language and have replaced their language with English. So its basically British not Irish. English is what the road signs are all in, not Gaellic. But the people don't want to speak their language anymore so its basically British to me. They should ditch their flag for the British flag.
They can speak English if they want to. It's their decision. Some still speak Gaelic though.

[LightHouse89]

They can speak English if they want to. It's their decision. Some still speak Gaelic though.

I don't care but once you give up your identity culturally ad linguistically it doesn't make them Irish. It doesn't matter the Irish are a conquered people with a sock puppet British government. Irish speakers are less than 10% of the country. They should just get rid of it.

[Methmatician]

I don't care but once you give up your identity culturally ad linguistically it doesn't make them Irish. It doesn't matter the Irish are a conquered people with a sock puppet British government. Irish speakers are less than 10% of the country. They should just get rid of it.
It's suppose to be the other way around. The culture doesn't dictate the people, the people dictate the culture. What the Irish do is what makes them Irish.

[LightHouse89]

It's suppose to be the other way around. The culture doesn't dictate the people, the people dictate the culture. What the Irish do is what makes them Irish.

Irish isn't British but if they want British culture then they should accept themselves as British. I am sure since they gave up Catholicism they will become British much easer by these means and eventually forget their history. Fine with me. British Minor LOL. Many immigrants complained they did not know how to get around because the signs weren't in English. So this maybe why they are trying to Anglicize everything. If I lived there I would change my surname to something very Anglo-Saxon like Washington, something with a 'ton' at the end of it to fit in.

[Hierarchalist]

Liberalism = Christianity - God

Isn't it ironic how secular humanists and militant atheists claim to be enlightened and often ridicule xtians for believing in a deity and fairy tales, yet follow the same moral framework and paradigm of Judeo-Christianity?

Richard Dawkins is the ideal specimen...

[Gaston]

Teaching science to kids is enough to make them atheists, there is no need for them to learn about it.

[Mortimer]

I see only a small course on atheist philosophy and i doubt the catholic church will give up its educational dominance etc. and people here chimp out and come with the apocalypse etc. and lump everything they dislike together from "race mixing" (i hate that word because that sounds already like something bad) to bestiality/sex with animals, pedophilia etc.

freedom of religion includes atheism, agnosticism, humanism etc. or generally also not believing in god

[LightHouse89]

I see only a small course on atheist philosophy and i doubt the catholic church will give up its educational dominance etc. and people here chimp out and come with the apocalypse etc. and lump everything they dislike together from "race mixing" (i hate that word because that sounds already like something bad) to bestiality/sex with animals, pedophilia etc.

freedom of religion includes atheism, agnosticism, humanism etc. or generally also not believing in god

In Ireland they already have. Most young people don't go to church r celebrate anything religiously. Most young people there drink, listen to American rap music and sleep around and do drugs. Its just another part of Britain. Negrification is taking over there now hahahah.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

It's suppose to be the other way around. The culture doesn't dictate the people, the people dictate the culture. What the Irish do is what makes them Irish.

English language spread mainly by new people coming in. To really revive Ireland you would have to kick out all the people who speak English as first language, which is almost all of them now.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

In away I would much rather them live under the IRA than this dark future.

Why would you not want to live under them?

[Methmatician]

English language spread mainly by new people coming in. To really revive Ireland you would have to kick out all the people who speak English as first language, which is almost all of them now.
You don't need to revive Ireland. Ireland was revived in 1916.

[Dál Riata]

It's suppose to be the other way around. The culture doesn't dictate the people, the people dictate the culture. What the Irish do is what makes them Irish.

If they don't want to speak Irish Gaelic, they're not Irish anymore. I was brought up speaking nothing but English, but I'm making an effort to learn Scottish Gaelic to keep the language alive. Otherwise Scotland won't be Scotland anymore. I don't give a damn about a bunch of English speakers listening to gangsta rap and saying they're Scottish because they're from a certain place. That's not enough!

And Catholicism is part of Irish culture. Doesn't mean people have to follow whatever some pope or bishop says, even if there's no god, Irish culture is still Catholic.

Richard Dawkins is a colonial imperialist trying to impose English atheist culture on Ireland.

[Dál Riata]

I see only a small course on atheist philosophy and i doubt the catholic church will give up its educational dominance etc. and people here chimp out and come with the apocalypse etc. and lump everything they dislike together from "race mixing" (i hate that word because that sounds already like something bad) to bestiality/sex with animals, pedophilia etc.

freedom of religion includes atheism, agnosticism, humanism etc. or generally also not believing in god

Its because atheism is constantly promoted by the very same people who also promote bestiality, pedophilia and other perversions as well as the destruction of all cultures. The Guardian newspaper that the story appeared in is a case in point. I provided the links to prove it.

I also don't necessarily mind some circumstantial race mixing. What I do mind is when its promoted as 'hip' and 'cool' by the media as a way to break down and destroy all nations and cultures leaving behind nothing but mindless consumers in its wake. We'll end up in a world where everyone is the same and spends all day watching MTV and twerking their butt like Miley Cyrus!

[Dál Riata]

You don't need to revive Ireland. Ireland was revived in 1916.

No it wasn't. It was woken up from its death bed and given a life saving transfusion. Its still in a coma fighting for its life though, and will remain so until everyone there speaks Irish Gaelic as their first language!

"Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam" (A country without a language is a country without a soul)
- Pádraig Pearse

[LightHouse89]

Why would you not want to live under them?

I would rather they brutalize drug dealers and gang bangers.

[LightHouse89]

You don't need to revive Ireland. Ireland was revived in 1916.

No it wasn't they failed their purpose, all of the leaders of the rebellion were executed. Celtic Ireland and identity died with them.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

No it wasn't they failed their purpose, all of the leaders of the rebellion were executed. Celtic Ireland and identity died with them.

Yeah, it was entirely pointless. I suspect half the leaders were on the other side from the beginning.

[Elsa]

English is what the road signs are all in, not Gaellic.

Road signs in the Republic are often bilingual.

This is a typical Irish road sign. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Durrow_roadsign.JPG)

[LightHouse89]

Road signs in the Republic are often bilingual.

This is a typical Irish road sign. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Durrow_roadsign.JPG)

foreigners want it changed and not to mention hardly anyone speaks the old language. Ireland as a whole is England. They should just stop holding on to their celtic nationalism....the aren't celts anymore.

[LightHouse89]

Yeah, it was entirely pointless. I suspect half the leaders were on the other side from the beginning.

Not really they could have won but they were fighting against a more organized foe. The British in that time even had the support of Irish catholics. The flaw was more of the people than the rebels. Irish people didn't mind being slaves in their own lands. Now it wasn't until much later on that Irish nationalism became popular. But today it doesn't exist they are content with erasing their culture.

[LightHouse89]

Why should foreigners care? The road signs also display the English name. I doubt the Irish government is going to re-do all the road signs just because some foreigners want them changed.

Irish is taught in all schools in the Republic and in Catholic schools in Northern Ireland. Most Catholics here have some understanding of Irish, even though most don't speak it natively.

It is not mandatory nor do most people speak it. They should embrace their Anglo-Saxon culture. Ireland should be annexed to the UK.

[Elsa]

It is not mandatory nor do most people speak it. They should embrace their Anglo-Saxon culture. Ireland should be annexed to the UK.

By that logic the USA should be annexed to the UK as well, since the majority of Americans speak English as their native language.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Why should foreigners care? The road signs also display the English name. I doubt the Irish government is going to re-do all the road signs just because some foreigners want them changed.

Irish is taught in all schools in the Republic and in Catholic schools in Northern Ireland. Most Catholics here have some understanding of Irish, even though most don't speak it natively.

Why does EU union care about switzerland's immigration policy?

[LightHouse89]

By that logic the USA should be annexed to the UK as well, since the majority of Americans speak English as their native language.

Never we are the new world not the old. I think we should speak German, Dutch and Spanish/French. I hate English.

[Dál Riata]

Never we are the new world not the old. I think we should speak German, Dutch and Spanish/French. I hate English.

I think Irish or Scottish Gaelic would be good languages for America to adopt in place of English!

[Fire Haired]

I think Irish or Scottish Gaelic would be good languages for America to adopt in place of English!

Can you speak Scottish Gaelic?

[Fire Haired]

Never we are the new world not the old. I think we should speak German, Dutch and Spanish/French. I hate English.

What do you have against speaking English?

If you can't speak those languages how can you compare them to English? Who cares anyways people's native languages are replaced by some oppressor all the time. It is not that case for America though, the vast majority of colonial Americans were Scottish, English, and Welsh aka British and they all spoke English as their first language(I guess there was some Gaelic in Scottish and Briton in Welsh) and I am pretty sure English were a huge majority, plus it was a British colony. All of the Germans, Polish, Italians, Norwegian, Swedish, etc. etc. etc. etc. were immigrants who mainly came after we became an independent nation so they learned English like an immigrant in the UK would. Amish and Mennonites have been here since I think colonial times and still speak a form of German as their first language. African Americans lost all the different languages their ancestors would have spoken because they were forced immigrants and slaves.

It is pretty amazing how many different accents exist in America even though we are so young. I am always surprised by how similar British, Irish, and American English is besides accents, it is like we have changed together. I have read writing from the early 1500's, the spelling and handwriting was strange and some of the words people don't use today(but seem related to words we use) but I could totally understand what was being said.

[Fire Haired]

Dal Riata, do people in Britain and Ireland share any of the same sayings as southern Americans or any other American accents? Does anyone in Britain or Ireland use these phrases, cuz, y'all, aint?

Maybe theses guys have some of the phrases, words, whatever British and Irish have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=opwPdRrmDm4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2PrQqQ86ZW0

The southern accent is as split from accents in the north as almost any accent in the British isles are. There are actually many similar traditions between British/Irish and southern Americans.

For example, this ballad "Black is the color of my true loves hair". This ballad must be over 400 years old because Appalachian people are scotch Irish(for the most part) they left Scotland in the early 1600's for Ulster, Ireland then America in the 1700's and this song is sang by them and modern Scottish. You can tell it did not spread through mass media since the wording is a little different between the American-Scotch Irish version and Scottish version. Scotch Irish and British-Irish share many of the same ballads or forms of music, and of course they have changed from each other very much over the last 400-200 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=89g5hg-LpJM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=W5fBppsntAE&list =PLBD54E1CD79849030


Look familiar? I know it has to somehow be related to tap dancing(pretty sure originated in America) and some similar forms of dancing in Britain and Ireland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnAgEwSos3g&feature=player_detailpage

[Kale]

Atheists think god(s) do(es) not exist.

Thank you class. That will be all.

I just saved Ireland $40 million dollars.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Not really they could have won but they were fighting against a more organized foe. The British in that time even had the support of Irish catholics. The flaw was more of the people than the rebels. Irish people didn't mind being slaves in their own lands. Now it wasn't until much later on that Irish nationalism became popular. But today it doesn't exist they are content with erasing their culture.

Most people really don't look ahead more than a few weeks, or look at the past at all. That explains most of the retardation they display when it comes to EU and multicult crap.

[LightHouse89]

Most people really don't look ahead more than a few weeks, or look at the past at all. That explains most of the retardation they display when it comes to EU and multicult crap.

That is true. Only a true retard would not realize that if we forget the past we are certianly doomed to repeat it.

[Dál Riata]

Can you speak Scottish Gaelic?

Sadly not. But I am trying to learn a few words and phrases. My grandfather spoke it as his first language but my father grew up just speaking English as that is what the schools encouraged at the time. Language is culture and the British government made sure that schools only taught English and stopped children from speaking their own language as a way to destroy Scottish culture. Scottish Gaelic is being revived now though and many schools are teaching it.

[Dál Riata]

Most people really don't look ahead more than a few weeks, or look at the past at all. That explains most of the retardation they display when it comes to EU and multicult crap.


That is true. Only a true retard would not realize that if we forget the past we are certianly doomed to repeat it.

Most people in the world have no cultural consciousness of their own. Their 'culture' is watching MTV, Hollywood movies, twerking their behind like Miley Cyrus, and their country is just an accident of birth whose football team or olympic team they will cheer on but they know nothing of their history and cultural customs. Sad but true.

[Fire Haired]

Most people in the world have no cultural consciousness of their own. Their 'culture' is watching MTV, Hollywood movies, twerking their behind like Miley Cyrus, and their country is just an accident of birth whose football team or olympic team they will cheer on but they know nothing of their history and cultural customs. Sad but true.

That's very accurate. Most people know very little about history, their culture, and politics. I think everyone though has an unconscious interest in those subjects especially genetics and history.

[Jägerstaffel]

Teaching science to kids is enough to make them atheists, there is no need for them to learn about it.

Exactly.

Atheism doesn't need to be taught. It is the natural state before theistic belief is forced upon a person and it is the natural state after that person sheds theistic belief.

[Fire Haired]

Exactly.

Atheism doesn't need to be taught. It is the natural state before theistic belief is forced upon a person and it is the natural state after that person sheds theistic belief.

The ultimate hater of morals and Christianity is back. Do you still think I should have sex with my sister?

[Jägerstaffel]

The ultimate hater of morals and Christianity is back. Do you still think I should have sex with my sister?

I still wouldn't care if you did, just please keep it to yourself.

[Fire Haired]

Exactly.

Atheism doesn't need to be taught. It is the natural state before theistic belief is forced upon a person and it is the natural state after that person sheds theistic belief.

You assume every religious person was forced since they were children to be religious and ignore the fact of willing conversion. Did you ever stop to think why nearly every population in the world believes in religion? It is as if believing in God is natural for humans like music or talking.

[Fire Haired]

I still wouldn't care if you did, just please keep it to yourself.

I am sick of the get it to yourself $%$%$ philosophy. You have moral instinct but ignore it and trick yourself to think the only reason I think that's wrong is someone told me. The most "anti-gay" people are not western Christians they are non western people despite having a totally different history and upbringing. Why did so many people come up with the same conclusions?

[Jägerstaffel]

You assume everyone religious person was forced since they were children to be religious and ignore the fact of willing conversion. Did you ever stop to think why nearly every population in the world believes in religion? It is as if believing in God is natural for humans like music or talking.

Religion developed probably from an infancy of animism and ancestor worship when we had a very crude understanding of the world. It traveled to all corners of the globe because it helped people make more sense of the unknown, of death, etc. Communal religion was a boon to tribal groups because it helped reinforce ties of kinship and identity. Religion manifests in a multitude of different explanations of the divine, of the nature of gods, of the identity of demi-gods and gods, the ability of gods to influence the earth, to whether or not those gods demand tribute from humankind or are largely ambivalent to humans altogether. It is hard to say that something so varied (to the point that religionists barely can agree to tolerate the presence of religionists of a different breed) and say that it is evidence to support what you're claiming.

It has much less meaning to us in the modern world and it only continues because of historic roots, "hereditary religion" I've heard it called. I'm sure most converts just hop from one religion to another more satisfying one.

Ship-building and cheese-making are prevalent all around the world too but it would be hard to argue that those pursuits are essential to our being or guided by divine hands.

By the way, I don't hate morals. You and I just have a very different take on how morality has been developed in the human experience.

[Jägerstaffel]

I am sick of the get it to yourself $%$%$ philosophy.

What?


You have moral instinct but ignore it and trick yourself to think the only reason I think that's wrong is someone told me.

I've already explained to you that I believe morality has a biological background - I don't ignore my morals.


The most "anti-gay" people are not western Christians they are non western people despite having a totally different history and upbringing. Why did so many people come up with the same conclusions?

You seem to forget that cultures all around the world have been influenced by other cultures all around the world. Places where homosexuality and transgenderism used to be tolerated in some form have been largely influenced by Christianity and Islam.

What does this have to do with atheism though? You seem to be tilting at windmills.

[Fire Haired]

Religion developed probably from an infancy of animism and ancestor worship when we had a very crude understanding of the world. It traveled to all corners of the globe because it helped people make more sense of the unknown, of death, etc. Communal religion was a boon to tribal groups because it helped reinforce ties of kinship and identity. Religion manifests in a multitude of different explanations of the divine, of the nature of gods, of the identity of demi-gods and gods, the ability of gods to influence the earth, to whether or not those gods demand tribute from humankind or are largely ambivalent to humans altogether. It is hard to say that something so varied (to the point that religionists barely can agree to tolerate the presence of religionists of a different breed) and say that it is evidence to support what you're claiming.

It has much less meaning to us in the modern world and it only continues because of historic roots, "hereditary religion" I've heard it called. I'm sure most converts just hop from one religion to another more satisfying one.

Ship-building and cheese-making are prevalent all around the world too but it would be hard to argue that those pursuits are essential to our being or guided by divine hands.

By the way, I don't hate morals. You and I just have a very different take on how morality has been developed in the human experience.

You can make up whatever biased theory you want on why nearly every human population has religion. You stero type religious people as only traditionalist and are un tolerant of other religions. There has always been diversity of religion and people are totally fine with believing some people don't agree, but of course like with all people who dis agree there is fighting. I don't see how religion today has less meaning, its simply a believe.


I'm sure most converts just hop from one religion to another more satisfying one.

Not surprised someone from Europe would say this. This is your explanation to mass conversion like with Ireland and St. Patrick, or how Christianity remained very popular in the Roman empire despite violent persecution. You thought up this explanation to go along with your idea religion is maintained ONLY by evil old men with beards.


By the way, I don't hate morals. You and I just have a very different take on how morality has been developed in the human experience.

To you morals is do whatever you want if its in private. Ask anyone that's not morals that's pro sin.

[Fire Haired]

I've already explained to you that I believe morality has a biological background - I don't ignore my morals.

Prove of your prejudice. I have already told you I think morality has a biological background too, the only difference is you get an evil gratification by that fact and believe it means sins like adultery have no meaning.




You seem to forget that cultures all around the world have been influenced by other cultures all around the world. Places where homosexuality and transgenderism used to be tolerated in some form have been largely influenced by Christianity and Islam.

What does this have to do with atheism though? You seem to be tilting at windmills.

Of course I know people around the world are influenced by people around the world. Why do people who have been isolated from most of the world for over 20,000 years like Mayans and Australian Aboriginals have such similar believes to people like ancient Germanic tribes and Chinese? You cant explain all of those similarities with marxist theories.

[Fire Haired]

Jägerstaffel, can you please put down your extremely OFFENSIVE profile picture.

[Jägerstaffel]

You can make up whatever biased theory you want on why nearly every human population has religion. You stero type religious people as only traditionalist and are un tolerant of other religions. There has always been diversity of religion and people are totally fine with believing some people don't agree, but of course like with all people who dis agree there is fighting. I don't see how religion today has less meaning, its simply a believe.

You didn't grasp my point, yet again. My point was that you can't say that the widespread existence of religion is evidence of God if there were so many different opinions on what a god is, where it comes from, how many of them are there, what gender they were, whether it requires sacrifice or worship, whether it is eternal or mortal etc - etc.

Nowadays there is more agreement on these concepts because the Judeo-Christian pantheon of Yahweh, God, Allah, Jesus and Mohammad have been forced on vast swathes of the planet.


Not surprised someone from Europe would say this. This is your explanation to mass conversion like with Ireland and St. Patrick, or how Christianity remained very popular in the Roman empire despite violent persecution. You thought up this explanation to go along with your idea religion is maintained ONLY by evil old men with beards.

The Puritan/Pilgrim Father is strong within this one. Consider the conversion of the Europeans. It wasn't bloodless to say the least. Also, I never said anything about evil old men with beards. I think religion is propagated and prolonged due to the average person and the historic/hereditary ties of identity that go along with it.

I, however, think we've outgrown Iron Age (and for me, foreign) notions of the universe and our place within it.


To you morals is do whatever you want if its in private.

This is an assumption about me and quite wrong. I still find it interesting that you claim to know so much about me and how I view the world without really knowing anything about me.


Of course I know people around the world are influenced by people around the world. Why do people who have been isolated from most of the world for over 20,000 years like Mayans and Australian Aboriginals have such similar believes to people like ancient Germanic tribes and Chinese? You cant explain all of those similarities with marxist theories.

I'm not a Marxist, once again you're assuming things about me.


Jägerstaffel, can you please put down your extremely OFFENSIVE profile picture.

No.

What is it about me that bothers you so much? You do get very excited when you stumble across one of my posts.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

The most "anti-gay" people are not western Christians they are non western people despite having a totally different history and upbringing.

Exactly. Homofag haters are not true christians. Only effect that christianity has is to moderate these dumb impulses.

Same with witchcraft persecutions. Anyone who believes in witchcraft is a heretic.

All of this crap is hate speech against christians, the only people it's OK to hate for some reason.

[Fire Haired]

Jägerstaffel, the reason I get angry at you is simply because of your opinion and profile picture. Honestly, some your opinions on morals to me seems evil and your profile picture does too. I have mixed feelings(not in that way LOL) about you though because at the same time you seem like a reasonable person and usually treat people in your posts with respect. I doubt your theory that so many people in the world have similar believes(morals, religion) is because of Abrahamic religions is accurate. I think that's just an excuse to explain the similarities.

I have noticed this in many Europeans, they only mention the forced conversions to Christianity. Christians are known for being missionaries and having willing conversions and many Europeans ignore that and only mention pseudo Christians in the past who would cut your head off if you didn't convert. Religion isn't only hereditary, besides you can say the same about music, language, and spears. I can name multiple atheist(redneck type) in my family who willingly converted to Christianity because of "miracles", one said they had a vision of Jesus for about 15 minutes while driving his truck on a highway, I don't know how to explain that. My grandfather, great grandfather, great great grandfather, and great great great grandfather were all atheist(records to prove it). They all though believed in the same morals as Christians, something interesting about my greatx3 grandfather is that he was apart of a society/club in the 1850's that was all about humanitarianism(including freedom and equal rights of black slaves), was Republican, and atheist. My great grandfather(who taught his son that the Bible is a book of lies) at his death bed though was converted by a grandson. It seems you don't understand that religion is not just tradition and culture.

[LightHouse89]

You can make up whatever biased theory you want on why nearly every human population has religion. You stero type religious people as only traditionalist and are un tolerant of other religions. There has always been diversity of religion and people are totally fine with believing some people don't agree, but of course like with all people who dis agree there is fighting. I don't see how religion today has less meaning, its simply a believe.



Not surprised someone from Europe would say this. This is your explanation to mass conversion like with Ireland and St. Patrick, or how Christianity remained very popular in the Roman empire despite violent persecution. You thought up this explanation to go along with your idea religion is maintained ONLY by evil old men with beards.



To you morals is do whatever you want if its in private. Ask anyone that's not morals that's pro sin.

conversion in Ireland was not peaceful though and it would be impossible to thin St. Patrick had any mercy for the pagans. Infact the 'snakes' going into the sea is a metaphor most likely.

[LightHouse89]

Exactly. Homofag haters are not true christians. Only effect that christianity has is to moderate these dumb impulses.

Same with witchcraft persecutions. Anyone who believes in witchcraft is a heretic.

All of this crap is hate speech against christians, the only people it's OK to hate for some reason.

yes and they are becoming increasingly more radical I have noticed. Protestants and Catholics especially. On my college campus a group has formed and they are really anti-liberal-karl marx and they are busy doing their homework and upsetting people with their views. I admire the fact they don't really care either....Well if the liberals did not persecute them then they would not be so radical. This group is petitioning that women must wear long skirts not shorts on campus because it displays sexual imagery which is a sin in their religion.......we know how this will end up. Allah Snakbar!

[Fortis in Arduis]

Atheism is connected, I know you can be atheist and countless other things but today it is oftenly connected to a certain ideology.

The connection is this:

In order for people to become slaves to the State, it, the State, must take the place of God and the institution of family. This is why the left promote atheism and, the Cultural Marxists are promoting anything other than the "white" nuclear family. However, this does not mean that individual atheists or anything other than the traditional nuclear family is necessarily subversive. I am sure that there are plenty of atheists who question the State, and retain and develop ethical principles. Richard Dawkins is a really bad example.

I am not an atheist, but I went to see Sam Harris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris_(author)) speak, and there is nothing offensive in what he was saying, and in fact, he was making the case that science and morality are not irreconcilable. He was discussing this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moral_Landscape) book.


Okay I believe you. There will always be people attracted to animals, children, the same gender, etc. but does that make it natural? I don't think it does.

Unfortunately, there will always be such people, and it seems to be natural for some. We know this because paedophile (like homo-) sexuality begins at puberty or even before. I am not sure how bestiality works, and I do not really want to trouble my mind with this stuff too much, but there is no way people can argue morally against the consent issue with children and animals.


Last summer I went there to stay for a week and hardly anyone spoke the old language, the youth listen to black american ghetto music. It resembled America or England more than Ireland. Intellectuals there even say there is no such thing as celts or a celtic language so be its for the best they become apart of England. They legalized gay marriage there so its officially apart of the Anglo-Saxon world. I noticed that the fragile country is being flooded with immigrants from all over so its bound to be like England. So its England minor now to me. There is no such thing as irish its all British to me.

It may be wise to not take pride in being Irish soon that term will disappear and be meaningless like British. The road signs there are even in English. They should ban what areas speak the old language entirely. I don't think I will ever go back its a shame to see it the way it is.

The Irish have embraced EU membership, and European identity much more than the British, and... it is a bit ridiculous. Listening to Irish people enthuse about immigration into Ireland (they, like Scots, seem terribly keen) is like stepping through the looking glass. Ireland has the highest percentage of public debt as GDP in the whole of the EU. It has to be really dire.

Anyway, back on topic. Why not teach children about atheism? I never see why it has to be something anti-Christian or anti-religious. Dawkins promotes it this way, and ex-Christians are enraptured by it as though they have just discovered fire or electricity. There has to be space within atheism to accept that not all things can be explained by empirical means. There has to be some mystery and wonder about life, but some of these oppressive ideologues make atheism so dull.

[Dál Riata]

Exactly.

Atheism doesn't need to be taught. It is the natural state before theistic belief is forced upon a person and it is the natural state after that person sheds theistic belief.

Wrong! You are forcing your atheist religion on others. Atheism is by far and away the stupidest, most irrational idea in human history, that's why its promoted by all the dumbed down media in order to brainwash weak minded fools. Theism is the natural state as is traditional religion. Scientific tests have proved this by analyzing children that were raised by atheist parents and were taught nothing about God yet they naturally believed that there was an ultimate power in the universe even if they had never heard the name God.

Carl Sagan was another fool. Like the current atheist religious preacher, Richard Dawkins, Sagan contributed nothing to science and instead just preached the religion of atheism to gullible fools. That made Sagan rich of course. Atheists preachers get paid a lot to spread their BS.

[LightHouse89]

Wrong! You are forcing your atheist religion on others. Atheism is by far and away the stupidest, most irrational idea in human history, that's why its promoted by all the dumbed down media in order to brainwash weak minded fools. Theism is the natural state as is traditional religion. Scientific tests have proved this by analyzing children that were raised by atheist parents and were taught nothing about God yet they naturally believed that there was an ultimate power in the universe even if they had never heard the name God.

Carl Sagan was another fool. Like the current atheist religious preacher, Richard Dawkins, Sagan contributed nothing to science and instead just preached the religion of atheism to gullible fools. That made Sagan rich of course. Atheists preachers get paid a lot to spread their BS.

Take Democoons in America......we cannot define marriage based on a book written 3,500 years ago....there for gay marriage is legitimate hahah. Democoons.

[Fire Haired]

Take Democoons in America......we cannot define marriage based on a book written 3,500 years ago....there for gay marriage is legitimate hahah. Democoons.

What book are you talking about? Besides that logic makes no sense.

[Dál Riata]

Take Democoons in America......we cannot define marriage based on a book written 3,500 years ago....there for gay marriage is legitimate hahah. Democoons.

When I watch atheist's videos on youtube, it isn't usually very long before they make videos supporting gay marriage, abortion, mass immigration, sexual promiscuity, etc. They really seem to think that if it wasn't for the Bible, they could have a successful society based around these self-destructive ideas with no consequences. They're incredibly naive.


What book are you talking about? Besides that logic makes no sense.

He's pointing out that atheist liberals think that the only reason people think that gay marriage is wrong is because the Bible says so, therefore, if they can just prove the Bible wrong, that makes gay marriage OK. Yet lots of other religions and non-Christian cultures have agreed that marriage is between a man and a woman. And there are logical and rational arguments that agree with the Bible that marriage should be between a man and a woman. After all, that's how nature works.

[Jägerstaffel]

Jägerstaffel, the reason I get angry at you is simply because of your opinion and profile picture. Honestly, some your opinions on morals to me seems evil and your profile picture does too. I have mixed feelings(not in that way LOL) about you though because at the same time you seem like a reasonable person and usually treat people in your posts with respect. I doubt your theory that so many people in the world have similar believes(morals, religion) is because of Abrahamic religions is accurate. I think that's just an excuse to explain the similarities.

I'm sorry, but I really don't care what you think about my profile picture. Also you misunderstand my "theory", but whatever - can't be bothered to go in circles with you.

[Jägerstaffel]

Wrong! You are forcing your atheist religion on others. Atheism is by far and away the stupidest, most irrational idea in human history, that's why its promoted by all the dumbed down media in order to brainwash weak minded fools.

It isn't a religion by any stretch of the imagination.


Theism is the natural state as is traditional religion. Scientific tests have proved this by analyzing children that were raised by atheist parents and were taught nothing about God yet they naturally believed that there was an ultimate power in the universe even if they had never heard the name God.

I would love to read about these "scientific" tests. Care to share?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I'm sorry, but I really don't care what you think about my profile picture.

Of course you do, did the profile picture fairy select it for you? You want to talk hate about people's religion, then come and try to act like you are just being rational. Totally retarded.

If atheism is so rational, why are outspoken atheists all so incredibly dumb?

[Fire Haired]

I'm sorry, but I really don't care what you think about my profile picture. Also you misunderstand my "theory", but whatever - can't be bothered to go in circles with you.

How is having a profile picture of someone giving Jesus dying on the cross the bird, okay? It doesn't matter how I have dis respected you, you should get a new profile picture.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

How is having a profile picture of someone giving Jesus dying on the cross the bird, okay? It doesn't matter how I have dis respected you, you should get a new profile picture.

Even if he thinks it's ok, he can't come back and say how logical and unbiased he is. His picture is just as retarded as everything he says.

[Fortis in Arduis]

How is having a profile picture of someone giving Jesus dying on the cross the bird, okay? It doesn't matter how I have dis respected you, you should get a new profile picture.

The explanation is that the guy has not yet had a religious experience or spiritual awakening.

According to my leanings, it might be that he is simply a new soul, rather than an old one with many previous incarnations and so, this world is probably quite satisfying for him.

As time passes, more and more souls are born and reborn. Their karmic accounts are relatively clean and they do not have so many unanswered questions as the older souls, and so their need for religion and spiritual growth is relatively lesser. When the destruction comes, Armageddon, Ragnarok, or the end of Kali Yuga, they will return to the domain of the souls, and wait to be reborn again at this time, after the cycle of time begins and our predestined lives repeat, again.

Think of it this way: They will not live through the Golden Age, after the destruction, but they can live through this current age of hell and enjoy it anyway.

[Rex_]

Atheism isn't a religion but it should be. Faith in metaphysics must be replaced with faith in reason. The Atheist's moral code must simply be thus: Evolution is good. As Galton said, eugenics should be the basis for a new secular religion.

[Dál Riata]

It isn't a religion by any stretch of the imagination.

If its not a religion, why do so many of you atheists behave as if its a religion? Then again, maybe you're right. After all, the word religion has the same root as the word relationship. And atheists reject religion because you reject relationships. Therefore, 'blind faith with no basis in science, logic or reason' is a better description of atheism.


I would love to read about these "scientific" tests. Care to share?

It was in all the papers a couple of years ago. I can't find a link to it now so you'll have to do your own research.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

If its not a religion, why do so many of you atheists behave as if its a religion?
Then again, maybe you're right. After all, the word religion has the same root as the word relationship. And atheists reject religion because you reject relationships. Therefore, 'blind faith with no basis in science, logic or reason' is a better description of atheism.


Atheists who get worked up on it are basically the prodigal son. They think they know better than anyone and don't want to face responsibilities like raising a family, supporting themselves, etc. which all kind of goes along with general 'leftist commie shitbag'.

Statistically, sociologists and liberal arts retards are many times more atheistic than physics, mathematicians, computer science people, or doctors and lawyers. Shows how 'scientific' these raging retards are, and goes along with the general theme it's more about not wanting to face up to the idea of right and wrong. For example, of pedos how many believe in god...any?