How much European and how much Amerindian do you see in these 3 Argentines?

[Argentano]

Please tell me how much european and how much amerindian do you see (individually) in this 4 argentines with italian surnames

Javier Mascherano

http://us.cdn200.fansshare.com/photo/javiermascherano/la-roda-de-premsa-de-javier-mascherano-integra-2084491332.jpg

http://i4.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article3265705.ece/ALTERNATES/s2197/javier-mascherano-300-237315417-3265705.jpg

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/690/193/hi-res-457386177-javier-mascherano-of-fc-barcelona-reacts-during-the_crop_exact.jpg?w=1500&h=1500&q=85



Angel Di Maria

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Angel_di_Maria-Portugal_vs._Argentina.jpg

http://www.corazonblanco.com/media/galeria/44/7/4/0/1/n_real_madrid_di_maria-5191047.jpg

http://www.superdt.cl/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/image91.jpg



Javier Pastore

http://thepremierleagueowl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/pastore-1.jpg

http://lagazzettadf.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/pastore.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwfbkiF6VQ1qfxktpo1_1280.jpg

Ezequiel Lavezzi


http://imagenesfotos.com/wp-content/2013/02/ezequiel-lavezzi16.jpg

http://media.melty.fr/article-966913-ajust_930/ezequiel-lavezzi.jpg

http://img0.cfstatic.com/psg/ezequiel-lavezzi-amoureux-de-paris_64914_wide.jpg


you can also classify them if you want

thanks

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Not sure But they look mostly European with some traces of Amerindian.

[Sikeliot]

All three of them look mixed, but I couldn't say how much.

[Argentano]

Not sure But they look mostly European with some traces of Amerindian.

if you had to guess percentages individually? :p

[Argentano]

All three of them look mixed, but I couldn't say how much.

OK but at least mestizos, harnizos or castizos?

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

if you had to guess percentages individually? :p

I say they are under 30% Amerindian no more than 25-28%, The rest European. Castizo range the 3. the second maybe harnizo/castizo.

[Tooting Carmen]

Angel Di Maria is very 'off', but the rest are passable as exotic Southern Europeans. Even if they do have Amerindian ancestry, it is relatively minor.

[Peyrol]

Castizos or nearly-Meds (less than 10%).

[Styrian Mujo]

Are they of Italian ancestry?

[Argentano]

Are they of Italian ancestry?

their surnames are..

i dont know wether they are pure italians or 1/16 italians

[Lemonhead]

3 Castizos and 1 Criollo
1. 75% European-25% Amerindian Castizo
2. 75% European-25% Amerindian Castizo
3. 100% European Criollo
4. 75% European-25% Amerindian Castizo

[B01AB20]

can't see any mix.
http://us.cdn200.fansshare.com/photo/javiermascherano/la-roda-de-premsa-de-javier-mascherano-integra-2084491332.jpg


mas feo que un pecado, but I'd guess him as north-african or levantine.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Angel_di_Maria-Portugal_vs._Argentina.jpg


castizo or dark euro, depends on the angle.
http://lagazzettadf.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/pastore.jpg


I'd guess him as full euro.
http://imagenesfotos.com/wp-content/2013/02/ezequiel-lavezzi16.jpg

[Styrian Mujo]

their surnames are..

i dont know wether they are pure italians or 1/16 italians
Well most of them look southern Italian with some minor Amerindian.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Estoy de acuerdo con B01AB20.

[Black Wolf]

Impossible to say or know without a genetic test.

[Incal]

Not sure But they look mostly European with some traces of Amerindian.

This.

[Argentano]

Impossible to say or know without a genetic test.

"Please tell me how much european and how much amerindian do you see (individually) in this 4 argentines with italian surnames"

you can know what you see...of course i am not asking people to genetically test the photos

[Brighton]

Umm 10-15%, 25%, 5-10% and 0% respectively.. I'm not at classifying though

[Armand_Duval]

The only one who is straighforward mestizo looking is De Maria, he looks tehuelche influenced; the others fall pretty much as castizo-criollo they dont seem to have an important amerind influence whatsoever, maybe Pastore just very little but Lavezzi and Mascherano.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

1. Mascherano doesn't look too heavily Amerindian mixed, in fact he just looks like a S. Italian wog. I would say he's a castizo.
2. Di Maria looks heavily mixed with NA. He looks like a mestizo.
3. Pastore looks like a modified Med he too is a castizo.
4. Lavezzi looks obviously NA mixed. I would say harnizo.

You forgot to post Aguero lol.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

People thinking Lavezzi is close to full European. :picard1:

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2012/324x324/250000688.jpg
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2011/324x324/250000688.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DeV8Z8jMc2g/T0bwcVI4vhI/AAAAAAAAkOg/ffWHqzelZKs/s640/150543_2062007_ezequiel-lavezzi-1.jpg

[Incal]

Estoy de acuerdo con B01AB20.

Same.

[Argentano]

1. Mascherano doesn't look too heavily Amerindian mixed, in fact he just looks like a S. Italian wog. I would say he's a castizo.
2. Di Maria looks heavily mixed with NA. He looks like a mestizo.
3. Pastore looks like a modified Med he too is a castizo.
4. Lavezzi looks obviously NA mixed. I would say harnizo.

You forgot to post Aguero lol.

i posted players with italian surnames that could be mixed..i will post aguero and tevez in other thread

i realize i should have posted messi here:picard1:

[GrebluBro]

Javier Mascherano => 80% Euro 20% Ameri => pass in Italy

Angel Di Maria => 65% Euro 35% Ameri => can't pass as Euro


Javier Pastore => 85% Euro 15% Ameri => pass in Italy


Ezequiel Lavezzi => pure Euro => pass in Italy

[GrebluBro]

Ezequiel Lavezzi is pure European

[Hadouken]

di maria looks mestizo

the rest castizo at best so i dont think anything more than 25% amerindian for the 3

[Peyrol]

You forgot the most mestizo italoargentine ever: Mauro Camoranesi.

To me look almost totally (>70%) andine

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Mauro_Camoranesi_2010.jpg

http://fantacancio.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mauro-german-camoranesi.jpg

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~ass37/66728.jpg

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

You forgot the most mestizo italoargentine ever: Mauro Camoranesi.

To me look almost totally (>70%) andine

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Mauro_Camoranesi_2010.jpg

http://fantacancio.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mauro-german-camoranesi.jpg

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~ass37/66728.jpg
I see strong Italian in him, Dinaro-Med with Amerindian influence

[Peyrol]

I see strong Italian in him, Dinaro-Med with Amerindian influence

Lol, look almost totally mapuche.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Lol, look almost totally mapuche.

Most of those "mapuche" are already kind of mixed,mestizo, hence he shows similarity look to some mapuche. He is a mestizo with his Euro part being Italian and his Amerindian being the Amerindian that were there before, that's most likely mapuche.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Most of those "mapuche" are already kind of mixed,mestizo, hence he shows similarity look to some mapuche. He is a mestizo with his Euro part being Italian and his Amerindian being the Amerindian that were there before that is most likely mapuche.

This is one of the few that I found that looks totally mapuche or close to pure
http://www.iisd.ca/biodiv/cop5/pix/5b-mapuche.jpg

the mans Looks Mongoloid.

[GrebluBro]

I see strong Italian in him, Dinaro-Med with Amerindian influence

I second that...

[GrebluBro]

//

People are confused with Italian looks and biased to pred. Italian descendansts from New World..

These confused TA guys claim pure Italians having a bit Amerindian

pred.Italian as Castizo

Castizo as Harnizo
Harnizo as Mestizo

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I second that...

I see some look from him that looks kind of similar to some Italians from the U.S., Italian Americans. There is actually one Italian man that I know of who have a similar look to him, just that he is some Alpinized or just fat wog type looking one from Youtube who used to make videos and is known as "the Guy from Boston".

[GrebluBro]

I see some look from him that looks kind of similar to some Italians from the U.S., Italian Americans. There is actually one Italian man that I know of who have a similar look to him, just that he is some Alpinized or just fat wog type looking one from Youtube who used to make videos and is known as "the Guy from Boston".

That guy is probably 65-70% Italian 30-35% Ameri

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

The only differences from the two is one is a mestizo version and the other a wog version one. xD

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I see some look from him that looks kind of similar to some Italians from the U.S., Italian Americans. There is actually one Italian man that I know of who have a similar look to him, just that he is some Alpinized or just fat wog type looking one from Youtube who used to make videos and is known as "the Guy from Boston".

So you know who I was saying of, here is a video of him, known as "The Guy from Boston"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqFq22UDebY&hd=1

[GrebluBro]

I see strong Italian in him, Dinaro-Med with Amerindian influence

Left one woman is pure Italian...Now I say even 80% possible for this guy :thumb001:

http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/35087_127207290654969_2136015_n.jpg?lvh=1

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Left one woman is pure Italian...Now I say 80% Italian for this guy :thumb001:

http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/35087_127207290654969_2136015_n.jpg?lvh=1

Lol, the Italian women do looks kind of like him. I see it.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

People are confused with Italian looks and biased to pred. Italian descendansts from New World..

These confused TA guys claim pure Italians having a bit Amerindian

pred.Italian as Castizo

Castizo as Harnizo
Harnizo as Mestizo
Some here sometimes can be Biased. like some seem to had been biased with some relatives of mine that I put in some classify threads. who look Criollo/white but some said "mestizo" but most of them show little to no Amerindian in them. xD

[Prince Carlo]

How do you know that their Euro part is only Italian??? LOL-

They surely have plenty of Iberian blood. Just like 99% of South American mongrels.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

How do you know that their Euro part is only Italian??? LOL-

They surely have plenty of Iberians blood. Just like 99% of South American mongrels.

:p Nordopelli! I don't want no argument here with you But your comment is kind of Ignorant. :bored:

[Argentano]

How do you know that their Euro part is only Italian??? LOL-

They surely have plenty of Iberian blood. Just like 99% of South American mongrels.

is that for me?

i mean i already said


their surnames are..

i dont know wether they are pure italians or 1/16 italians

[Empecinado]

So you know who I was saying of, here is a video of him, known as "The Guy from Boston"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqFq22UDebY&hd=1

Looks like MrSwan.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Looks like MrSwan.

I hadn't thought about it But now that you mention, It is true. I see it, He does look like him.

[Lemonhead]

Javier Pastore looks the most European
http://static.sportsvibe.co.uk/assets/SportPhotos/2014-01/_resampled/SetWidth638-pastore.jpghttp://www.prensalibre.com.gt/deportes/futbol_internacional/Javier-Pastore_PREIMA20101005_0139_5.jpg

[Carlito's Way]

Angel Di Maria is very 'off', but the rest are passable as exotic Southern Europeans. Even if they do have Amerindian ancestry, it is relatively minor.

i agree with this one right here

[blogen]

Javier Pastore looks the most European

Yes, even his eyes are big. But, he has a dominant heritage from the Amerindians:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8256/y1x1.jpg

A flat cheekbone. So he is an almost Europid Mestizo.

[Peyrol]

Maradona itself is more mestizo than these futbolers.

[Ibericus]

Di Maria looks quite amerindian to me, he's surely has more 30% , considering average argenitinean is around 15-18%...

[Lemonhead]

Yes, even his eyes are big. But, he has a dominant heritage from the Amerindians:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8256/y1x1.jpg

A flat cheekbone. So he is an almost Europid Mestizo.

Can you please explain to me the differences between European facial features and Amerindian facial features?

[RMuller]

Di Maria looks to be around 40-45% amerindian he has dinarid features like the nose.The rest are around 15-25% amerindian.You can't really notice it on Pastore and Macherano.

[blogen]

Can you please explain to me the differences between European facial features and Amerindian facial features?

Identical with the visible basic Mongoloid differences:
- flat cheekbone (absolute dominant, all descendants inherit it)
- mostly close eyes
- mostly brachycephalic skull
- swarthy character with swarthy skin color mostly

Useful to examine the type of the zygomatic bone first.

[Lemonhead]

Identical with the visible basic Mongoloid differences:
- flat cheekbone (absolute dominant, all descendants inherit it)
- mostly close eyes
- mostly brachycephalic skull
- swarthy character with swarthy skin color mostly

Useful to examine the type of the zygomatic bone first.

Can you post a rounded cheekbone versus a flat cheekbone so I can see the difference better.

[B01AB20]

Di Maria looks to be around 40-45% amerindian he has dinarid features like the nose.The rest are around 15-25% amerindian.You can't really notice it on Pastore and Macherano.

if you can't really notice then how can you say 'the rest are around 15-25% amerindian' :confused:

wishful thinking? it's because they're argentines and hence they must be admidxed?.

creía que no eras de esos rmuller, pero quizá me equivoqué. ;)

[blogen]

Can you post a rounded cheekbone versus a flat cheekbone so I can see the difference better.

Yes, the basic difference. (http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/725/7ag7.jpg) Or an other figure. (http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2074/g9ty.jpg) The difference will be spectacular
and the nose is an excellent scale onto this:

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/3607/i272.jpg

[Argentano]

if you can't really notice then how can you say 'the rest are around 15-25% amerindian' :confused:

wishful thinking? it's because they're argentines and hence they must be admidxed?.

creía que no eras de esos rmuller, pero quizá me equivoqué. ;)

Jajajja estaba pensando lo mismo

[Argentano]

Yes, even his eyes are big. But, he has a dominant heritage from the Amerindians:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8256/y1x1.jpg

A flat cheekbone. So he is an almost Europid Mestizo.

Dominant? Whats ur percentage for pastore?

[blogen]

Dominant? Whats ur percentage for pastore?

What percentage? The mixing? Only two values exist: median and very. He is very Europid. His dominant heritage is a fundamental character in his crania, but not in his face.

[RMuller]

if you can't really notice then how can you say 'the rest are around 15-25% amerindian' :confused:


You can't see Amerindian when someone is 15% amerindian. I suppose Pastore and Machorone is around that range or have more amerindian .The 4th player is around 25% amerindian based on the pics other pics a member posted of him.


wishful thinking? it's because they're argentines and hence they must be admidxed?.

It was CMV88 who asked how much amerindian do we see.


creía que no eras de esos rmuller, pero quizá me equivoqué. ;)

I don't know what you are trying to say but i have seen Mexicans that don't show any amerindian but once you meet their parents or siblings you know they are mixed.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

if you can't really notice then how can you say 'the rest are around 15-25% amerindian' :confused:

wishful thinking? it's because they're argentines and hence they must be admidxed?.

creía que no eras de esos rmuller, pero quizá me equivoqué. ;)
Some people can be biased for what they are or where they from. like they can be biased with a white or pred white from Latin America But not with a white or pred white from U.S., a white American.

They might say they are "not" white because they're Argentine or whatever But someone like Johnny Depp, who has Amerindian ancestry, a Castizo is still consider and seen as "white". But a white from Latin America with little or no Amerindian, they must be mixed because they're Latin American. Ignorants and biased people.

[Argentano]

It was CMV88 who asked how much amerindian do we see.


exactly!


Di Maria looks to be around 40-45% amerindian he has dinarid features like the nose.The rest are around 15-25% amerindian.You can't really notice it on Pastore and Macherano.

understand?



I don't know what you are trying to say but i have seen Mexicans that don't show any amerindian but once you meet their parents or siblings you know they are mixed.

ok then we should classify everybody as 10 to 20% amerind!

we are not saying they are pure europeans....we are just saying they are innocent until proven guilty :p

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I agree with RMuller about the Di Maria comment. Yeah, he looks to be Dinarid, Dinarid-Med with Amerindian influence.

[MINARDOWICZ]

1st:

10% native 90% euro & MENA but could be more or less. He is basically white.

2nd:

20% native 80% euro & MENA. How range castizo.

3rd:

25% native 75% euro & MENA. Castizo. Maybe 30% is possible as well BTW.

4th:

35% native 65% euro & MENA. Somewhere in the 30-40% range for native. Looks Harnizo.

[B01AB20]

Some people can be biased for what they are or where they from. like they can be biased with a white or pred white from Latin America But not with a white or pred white from U.S., a white American.

They might say they are "not" white because they're Argentine or whatever But someone like Johnny Depp, who has Amerindian ancestry, a Castizo is still consider and seen as "white". But a white from Latin America with little or no Amerindian, they must be mixed because they're Latin American. Ignorants and biased people.

Yeah I know what you mean, but you can't put the blame on the 'gringos' only,
Many chicanos and some mexicans are mestizo militants and do the same, for them everybody in latinamerica is mestizo... but if rmuller says that 'You can't see Amerindian when someone is 15% amerindian' ;) then for example all of europe less sacandinavia maybe is plenty of potential mexicans mestizos because they 'don't show the amerindian' and they are not nordic looking, but curiously the norwegian pallantides had a 'mestizo looking' despite being a pure nordic with dark hair.

The mestizo doctrine has a dogma, 'everybody in latinamerica is mestizo by default (except the black admixed :( ).

I thought rmuller was not a mestizo militant, but maybe he is.

[Antimage]

I don't see any amerindian in ezequiel lavezzi. He could easily pass as a local in south italy

[Han Cholo]

Please tell me how much european and how much amerindian do you see (individually) in this 4 argentines with italian surnames

Javier Mascherano

http://us.cdn200.fansshare.com/photo/javiermascherano/la-roda-de-premsa-de-javier-mascherano-integra-2084491332.jpg

http://i4.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article3265705.ece/ALTERNATES/s2197/javier-mascherano-300-237315417-3265705.jpg

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/690/193/hi-res-457386177-javier-mascherano-of-fc-barcelona-reacts-during-the_crop_exact.jpg?w=1500&h=1500&q=85


No Amerindian, but if you really forced me to see anything mixed about him, I'd rather say black.



Angel Di Maria

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Angel_di_Maria-Portugal_vs._Argentina.jpg

http://www.corazonblanco.com/media/galeria/44/7/4/0/1/n_real_madrid_di_maria-5191047.jpg

http://www.superdt.cl/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/image91.jpg

No Amerindian at all. Looks like a super-wogged out Sicilian or Levantine. The complete lack of Amerindian traits in the second pic is obvious. Very surprised people is classifying him as a fullblown mestizo.




Javier Pastore

http://thepremierleagueowl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/pastore-1.jpg

http://lagazzettadf.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/pastore.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwfbkiF6VQ1qfxktpo1_1280.jpg

15-25% Amerindian. This is the only one that clearly shows it.



Ezequiel Lavezzi


http://imagenesfotos.com/wp-content/2013/02/ezequiel-lavezzi16.jpg

http://media.melty.fr/article-966913-ajust_930/ezequiel-lavezzi.jpg

http://img0.cfstatic.com/psg/ezequiel-lavezzi-amoureux-de-paris_64914_wide.jpg


you can also classify them if you want

thanks

Less than 10%. Looks mostly like a "complete wog". But in other pics I've seen of him a bit is noticeable.

[dawson]

Facundo Roncaglia (Italian name) has more Amerindian than these 4 players together

http://www.violanews.com/images/2012/08/Autografi-Roncaglia.jpg?334edb

[Han Cholo]

Facundo Roncaglia (Italian name) has more Amerindian than these 4 players together

http://www.violanews.com/images/2012/08/Autografi-Roncaglia.jpg?334edb

Looks tehuelche influenced.

http://ian.macky.net/secretmuseum/tehuelche_indians.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7340/9343993045_948afcf9ff_z.jpg

[dawson]

Saviola

http://www.goolfm.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/3462.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

Mascherano and Lavezzi don't seem to have native american input.

[♥ Lily ♥]

They all look mixed with Amerindian.

[Empecinado]

Di Maria surely has some black ancestry.

[Leto]

Di Maria surely has some black ancestry.
Blacks are rare in Argentina. He's definitely not fully Euro, but I'm not sure about black. Kylie chose bad pictures.
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Angel+Di+Maria+Argentina+v+Nigeria+Group+B+SyvCSG5 vKlbl.jpg
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Angel+Di+Maria+Real+Madrid+v+AFC+Ajax+UEFA+yQA4eqG GrPFl.jpg

[Empecinado]

Blacks are rare in Argentina. He's definitely not fully Euro, but I'm not sure about black. Kylie chose bad pictures.
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Angel+Di+Maria+Argentina+v+Nigeria+Group+B+SyvCSG5 vKlbl.jpg
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Angel+Di+Maria+Real+Madrid+v+AFC+Ajax+UEFA+yQA4eqG GrPFl.jpg

Argentinian low classes have some (small) black ancestry and in some individuals shows:

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sbxW5YbMFI0/hqdefault.jpg

http://sp8.fotolog.com/photo/24/52/107/soy_delfondo/1277348809942_f.jpg

[Argentano]

the gun in the last photo haha...he is robbing people with that?

q negros d mierda

[Leto]

Argentinian low classes have some (small) black ancestry and in some individuals shows:
Maybe so.