Do you like the flag of Kosovo?

[Musso]

I personally like it, but would you have liked a different flag for Kosovo?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Flag_of_Kosovo.svg/200px-Flag_of_Kosovo.svg.png

Some proposals that were made:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Flag_proposal_Kosovo_2008.svg/200px-Flag_proposal_Kosovo_2008.svg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Flag_of_Kosovo_%28DioGuardi%27s_proposal%29.svg/200px-Flag_of_Kosovo_%28DioGuardi%27s_proposal%29.svg.pn g
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Flag_proposal_Kosovo_2008-3.svg/200px-Flag_proposal_Kosovo_2008-3.svg.png

[Cleitus]

I hate it

[KrashNick]

I like more this one

http://www.balkantravellers.com/images/stories/peak_season/kosovo_flag/rugovas-flag.jpg

[Pjeter Pan]

I don't like it, they should change it ASAP

[Cleitus]

I like more this one

http://www.balkantravellers.com/images/stories/peak_season/kosovo_flag/rugovas-flag.jpg
http://www.footjuniors.ch/images/dardania.gif

[Cleitus]

I don't like it, they should change it ASAP
Albanian and Kosova have to unite, we dont need another Flag.

[Pjeter Pan]

Albanian and Kosova have to unite, we dont need another Flag.
Well hurry up and unite. who's stopping albania and Kosovo?

[Cleitus]

Well hurry up and unite. who's stopping albania and Kosovo?
The Guys who currently occupy Kosova

[Skerdilaid]

Don't like it, it's like a Gypsy rag, very colorful and all. We don't need another flag, we have our flag that we bled for! The red on the Albanian flag represents blood from our struggles, Scanderbeg banner used to be on white cloth, but story has it that the flag bearer got killed and the white cloth turned red from his blood. So, to put it shortly, can't be replaced.

I have noticed though the Ashkalies and Gypsies of Kosova that speak Albanian embrace it, and are quite vocal about it.

[Yehiel]

what the stars reprosent

[ChocolateFace]

The only one suitable in my eyes.

http://www.nato.int/multi/2009/090407a-alb-cro-flag/photos/images/090407a-017.jpg

[KrashNick]

what the stars reprosent

minorities

[ChocolateFace]

what the stars reprosent

The 6 major ethnic groups of the country.

[Yehiel]

minorities

what monorites?

[The.Mask]

what the stars reprosent

rights for everyone.

Albanians, serbs, bosnians, turks, gypsys and the rest.

[KrashNick]

what monorites?

Albanians , Serbs, Turks, Gorani, Romani (Ashkali and Egyptians) and Bosniaks.

[Pjeter Pan]

The Guys who currently occupy Kosovawhat do you mean? why wouldn't they want to join albania? vote them out for a party that wants to join

[Cleitus]

rights for everyone.

Albanians, serbs, bosnians, turks, gypsys and the rest.
We have to fight the equallity shit.

[Pjeter Pan]

How long before Kosovo and Albania unite?

[Skerdilaid]

what the stars reprosent

All the ethnic groups of Kosova.

[Cleitus]

what do you mean? why wouldn't they want to join albania? vote them out for a party that wants to join

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articlePictures/British%20MoD%20(Kosovo-NATO%20Divisions).GIF

[Musso]

Interesting, seems many people don't like the flag. I personally like the design, but I guess tastes differ. Though the Albanian flag is one of the nicest out there, in my opinion. Wish my country had a flag that cool...

[Chieftain]

Not at all, Kosovo is a mongrel name that was invented by mongrel subhuman slavs that invaded the ancient Illyrian lands in the 8th century, the flag is completely wrong.

The land known today as Kosovo has been inhabitated since ancient times, centuries before the slavs came here and it was named Dardania, slavic/serb presence in Kosovo is documented only after the 7th century after the barbaric slavs invaded these lands, they are immigrants and not natives.

In the upcoming years after union with Praevalitana(Northern Albanian illyrian lands) and Illyriada in Fyrom, the name and flag will be switched to the Illyrian confederation, than we will throw every kind of subhuman out of the confederation(serbs, gypsies, ashkalis, turks etc) and we will switch to our ancient Illyrian pagan rituals.

[Kalimtari]

http://www.aicc.al/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/albanianflag1.jpg

[ALSh]

This is the real flag


http://www.aicc.al/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/albanianflag1.jpg

[albosomething]

http://www.aicc.al/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/albanianflag1.jpg

only this flag, our ancestors didn't die so romani or serbs could have a star up there

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Interesting, seems many people don't like the flag. I personally like the design, but I guess tastes differ. Though the Albanian flag is one of the nicest out there, in my opinion. Wish my country had a flag that cool...

It's not about design rather what represent as a whole, those 6 stars are main problem or discrimination since how could possibly absolute majority in this case Albanians have same size star with minorities such as Roma for example who have done not a damn thing for Kosova - so its more about meaning than design also the flag is imposition since day one from International Community.

This would be appropriate flag if we were about to see struggle or contribution of an ethnic group about independence of Kosovan state.
http://www.trepca.net/2006/foto/flamuri_kosoves_03012006_dhurate_lexueseve_te_trep ca_net_1.jpg

[Tomorr]

The one and only flag...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Flag_of_Albania.svg

Hopefully in the future once we've grown in strength, we will once again use this as our battle flag in war to take back our lands which rightfully belongs to us

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=44828&d=1393266978
44828

[Musso]

It's not about design rather what represent as a whole, those 6 stars are main problem or discrimination since how could possibly absolute majority in this case Albanians have same size star with minorities such as Roma for example who have done not a damn thing for Kosova - so its more about meaning than design also the flag is imposition since day one from International Community.

This would be appropriate flag if we were about to see struggle or contribution of an ethnic group about independence of Kosovan state.
http://www.trepca.net/2006/foto/flamuri_kosoves_03012006_dhurate_lexueseve_te_trep ca_net_1.jpg

I see your point. I guess the design was done to appease the EU folks and support the image of a multi-ethnic Kosovo. Honestly, I think it's good PR for Kosovo, to be presented as a multi-ethnic, democracy, that is yearning to be a EU member in the future. Though I understand the point of Albanian Patriots that may disagree with this image.

[Armenian Bishop]

The red on the Albanian flag represents blood from our struggles, Scanderbeg banner used to be on white cloth, but story has it that the flag bearer got killed and the white cloth turned red from his blood.

It's an inspirational story about the warrior, of yore, who filled the Albanian flag with his own blood, when he was struck down, thus transforming the white background into a red background.


Interesting, seems many people don't like the flag. I personally like the design, but I guess tastes differ. Though the Albanian flag is one of the nicest out there, in my opinion. Wish my country had a flag that cool...

Tricolor Flags, which don't serve as a background to an emblem or picture, could be more imaginative, including the Armenian Flag. Other Historic Armenian Flags could've been selected, but the tricolor flag has earned a place as the banner of Armenia.

The Top Red Stripe of the Armenian Flag represents Blood Shed by Armenians for Armenia, Armenian Christianity, and the Armenian People; the Center Blue Stripe represents the fortitude of Armenians, under the Boundless, Everlasting, and Awesome Armenian Skyline; and, the Bottom Orange Stripe, the Color of Armenian Apricots, represents the Fertility of Armenian Soil, and the Pregnant Productivity of Armenian Labor and Talent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Armenia

This was the flag carried into battle to save Armenian Genocide Victims; it was the flag carried into battle by Armenian Fedayeen to give private police protection for Armenian men, women, children and babies, who were abused, harassed, preyed upon, and ultimately murdered by order of the Ottoman Empire. This was the flag that persevered against Ottoman persecution, and the Young Turk perpetration of genocide. Armenians, worldwide, carry it as their banner, as a statement of endurance and victory against genocide and genocide denial of the Turkish State.

[RussiaPrussia]

the only one who should question his flag is albania, how can this tiny muslim country claim the byzantine eagle without having and wanting any connection to the byzantine empire

[The Illyrian Warrior]

the only one who should question his flag is albania, how can this tiny muslim country claim the byzantine eagle without having and wanting any connection to the byzantine empire

This tiny Muslim state gave Christianity more than Russia ever did for, just inform your virgin brain with our National hero background or contribution you idiot since you already started to speak about Byzantine and religion on subject which got nothing to do with it in first place.

Athleta Christi title

Since the 15th century, the title has been a political one, granted by Popes to men who have led military campaigns defending Christianity. The militant Catholic hymn Athleta Christi nobilis ("Noble Champion of the Lord"), a hymn for Matins on May 18, the feast of Saint Venantius, was written in the 17th century by an unknown author. The medieval precursors of the hymn are numerous and include hymns, responsories and antiphons dedicated to many saints and martyrs, even non-militant ones such as Cosmas and Damian.

Those who have held the title include:
Louis I of Hungary, called upon by Pope Innocent VI;

John Hunyadi of Hungary, called by Pope Pius II;

George Kastrioti Skanderbeg of Albania, called by Popes Callixtus III, Pius II, Paul II, and Nicholas V;

Stephen the Great of Moldavia, called by Pope Sixtus IV.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

No need to thumb me down RussiaPrussia come with arguments not with thumbs as sign of butthurt your uncurable virgin brain of yours isn't capable of discussion or proving me otherwise. :biggrin:

[Arianiti]

the only one who should question his flag is albania, how can this tiny muslim country claim the byzantine eagle without having and wanting any connection to the byzantine empire

When Russia decided to become monotheist country quite late compared to others they sent people out in the white world to chose a religion.

The only reason they did not chose Islam was bc vodka drinking was extremely forbidden. Interesting.

[Pontios]

The real flag of Kosovo is the best in my opinion.

http://www.sutomoresobe.com/Slike/flag-serbia.gif

[Dombra]

I don't like it, looks far too Bosnian

[Kastrioti1443]

...

With that flag we clean the blood of greek whores after we beat them, your mother is on of them, typical armenoid subhuman from turkey.

[RandoBloom]

The real flag of Kosovo is the best in my opinion.

http://www.sutomoresobe.com/Slike/flag-serbia.gif

Lol. Are you realy that uneducated :laugh:

[Pontios]

Lol. Are you realy that uneducated :laugh:

Interesting... What does Kosovo mean in Albanian?


Kosovo (Serbian Cyrillic: Косово, [kôsoʋo]) is the Serbian neuter possessive adjective of kos (кос) "blackbird",[26] an ellipsis for Kosovo Polje, 'blackbird field', the site of the 1389 Battle of Kosovo Field.

[RussiaPrussia]

the only one who should question his flag is albania, how can this tiny muslim country claim the byzantine eagle without having and wanting any connection to the byzantine empire

lol alboz butthurt 4 thumbsdown

[RussiaPrussia]

When Russia decided to become monotheist country quite late compared to others they sent people out in the white world to chose a religion.

The only reason they did not chose Islam was bc vodka drinking was extremely forbidden. Interesting.

best decision ever

[Arianiti]

Interesting... What does Kosovo mean in Albanian?

Kos does not mean blackbird in Serbian, actually it is not a word at all.

Do not speak of things you have no clue.

[Drina]

Horrible, like the current one of Bosnia :/

[RandoBloom]

Interesting... What does Kosovo mean in Albanian?

What does Dardania mean in Serbian?

If I call England Uguluwugulu will that mean England doesnt/didnt exist?

[Stefan_Dusan]

Kos does not mean blackbird in Serbian, actually it is not a word at all.

Do not speak of things you have no clue.

Crni Kos means blackbird in serbian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhQPS5JjL8I

[Skerdilaid]

Crni Kos means blackbird in serbian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhQPS5JjL8I

He speaks Serbian and Slavic languages in general better then you do;)

[Pontios]

Crni Kos means blackbird in serbian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhQPS5JjL8I

Exactly. :lol: Even a Russian speaker would understand that!

[Crn Volk]

This is the real flag of Kosovo

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Flag_of_SR_Serbia.svg/800px-Flag_of_SR_Serbia.svg.png

http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D 1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%90%D1%83%D1 %82%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%9F%D0% BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%98%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%9 A%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE

[Skerdilaid]

^^Lame ass Slavs, why do you have those Albo customs in your signature?

[Crn Volk]

^^Lame ass Slavs, whey do you have those Albo customs in your signature?

you picked up alot of our customs, including our folk customes, despite fleeing to the mountains. it must have been cold up their, living like savages. i guess you had to come down to civilization once in a while to see what the humans were doing....savages then and savages now.....

[Skerdilaid]

you picked up alot of our customs, including our folk customes, despite fleeing to the mountains. it must have been cold up their, living like savages. i guess you had to come down to civilization once in a while to see what the humans were doing....savages then and savages now.....

Sure we did, those costumes in red/white gilded in gold are Albanian to the core, and not specific to one region but from Peloponnese and all the way up to Nish were worn by Albanians. Remember, you came to Balkans butt naked doing weird shit in rivers like water buffalo's....

[Crn Volk]

Sure we did, those costumes in red/white gilded in gold are Albanian to the core, and not specific to one region but from Peloponnese and all the way up to Nish were worn by Albanians. Remember, you came to Balkans butt naked doing weird shit in rivers like water buffalo's....

But naked? Yet, we conquered Haemus.....

[Skerdilaid]

But naked? Yet, we conquered Haemus.....

You conquered kurac! It was mostly due to your Turk mastered that dragged you down, but prior to that other forces entered it and broke the defense. So, my water buffalo friend, even Turks can claim more then you can...

[Crn Volk]

You conquered kurac! It was mostly due to your Turk mastered that dragged you down, but prior to that other forces entered it and broke the defense. So, my water buffalo friend, even Turks can claim more then you can...

The Sclavonians were a fighting force in their own right, and did not need any 'turks';




Daurentius is the first Slavic chieftain to be recorded by name, by the Byzantine historian Menander Protector, who reported that the Avar khagan Bayan I sent an embassy, asking Daurentius and his Slavs to accept Avar suzerainty and pay tribute, because the Avars knew that the Slavs had amassed great wealth after repeatedly plundering the Byzantine Balkan provinces. Daurentius reportedly retorted that "Others do not conquer our land, we conquer theirs [...] so it shall always be for us", and had the envoys slain.[4] Bayan then campaigned (in 578) against Daurentius' people, with aid from the Byzantines, and set fire to many of their settlements, although this did not stop the Slavic raids deep into the Byzantine Empire.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daurentius


http://www.andrzejb.net/slavic/images/map2.jpg


Slavic warrior of the 7th century;

http://www.art-girona.com/2898-thickbox_default/-slavic-warrior-vii-century-ad.jpg

[Skerdilaid]

Here is your master holding you from the head:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Bulgar_warrior.jpg

And that is not a Slavic warrior, here is how your farmer/warrior ancestors looked like, note your masters on horse:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kXuefqF3xdw/UuK2T5AXksI/AAAAAAAA_FA/Edr-gmZiX-A/s1600/11avar.jpg

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/331/f/0/slavic_warrior_by_walsidar-d33pwom.jpg

[Crn Volk]

Avars and Bulgars. Very creative an predictable. Now re-read my post again.

Slav Chieftains like Hacon and Prebond has nothing to do with those asians you posted.

[Skerdilaid]

Avars and Bulgars. Very creative an predictable. Now re-read my post again.

Slav Chieftains like Hacon and Prebond has nothing to do with those asians you posted.

Good night my water buffalo friend:rolleyes:

[Kataxu]

Aheuahaeuhaeae, what the fuck is this supposed to be ?!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Flag_proposal_Kosovo_2008-3.svg/200px-Flag_proposal_Kosovo_2008-3.svg.png

[Skerdilaid]

Aheuahaeuhaeae, what the fuck is this supposed to be ?!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Flag_proposal_Kosovo_2008-3.svg/200px-Flag_proposal_Kosovo_2008-3.svg.png

Bored kids playing around :D

[Arianiti]

.


Mongol, easy

When creating ur flag youd have been more creative


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkrmnsTAiHQ

[Chieftain]

KrashNick and the other albanian moderators should not allow offensive slang being used in the Dardania section, if you don't like it than go with a simple no, we don't need such things in our section, again Nick should do whatever he wants in this section, but keep in mind that other moderators don't allow such offences/claims in their sections, some fucking justice eh?

[Kastrioti1443]

Crni Kos means blackbird in serbian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhQPS5JjL8I

Kosovo is a turkish word, like it or not.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Kosovo is a turkish word, like it or not.

It's a slavic word, Kos has only meaning in slavic languages not turkish ones.

[Kastrioti1443]

It's a slavic word, Kos has only meaning in slavic languages not turkish ones.

It has nothing to do with the kos thing, but it was named after ottomans, who called it the land of black birds

[Stefan_Dusan]

It has nothing to do with the kos thing, but it was named after ottomans, who called it the land of black birds

According to google translator blackbird is karatavuk in Turkish. How did Kosovo come from that? Even construction of the word Kosovo is slavic (with ending ovo) from Kos which is slavic word. Why would you rather it be Turkish than slavic :D

[Kastrioti1443]

According to google translator blackbird is karatavuk in Turkish. How did Kosovo come from that? Even construction of the word Kosovo is slavic (with ending ovo) from Kos which is slavic word. Why would you rather it be Turkish than slavic :D

In fact there are albanian villages with kosov name even in the south, and till lately it was used to name black birds.

Kosovo is in your way, to us Kosova, endings are subjective.

What I meant is that this name '' kosovo'' was given after 1400 by the ottomans.

[Hanibalas Lekteris]

Probably one of the ugliest flags out there.

[zhaoyun]

I hate it



No, I don't like flags that show the geographic limits of the country. It is pessimistic, does not leave room for expansion. Im an optimist.

[Stefan_Dusan]

In fact there are albanian villages with kosov name even in the south, and till lately it was used to name black birds.

Well Kos as a toponym extends even south as Greece! That's because of the slavic settlers made it all the way to the Peloponnese. As interesting side note, blackbird (thrush) is kos in Polish.

[Cleitus]

It's a slavic word, Kos has only meaning in slavic languages not turkish ones.

This is what Kos means in Albanian http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JI1tQnxcT5M/TgDq_ZleE8I/AAAAAAAAABg/mEe6Qco0hsM/s1600/Joghurt.JPG

[Cleitus]

No, I don't like flags that show the geographic limits of the country. It is pessimistic, does not leave room for expansion. Im an optimist.

Yeah thats what i actually think

[Stefan_Dusan]

This is what Kos means in Albanian http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JI1tQnxcT5M/TgDq_ZleE8I/AAAAAAAAABg/mEe6Qco0hsM/s1600/Joghurt.JPG

That looked like mayonnaise to my American eyes. You mean yogurt?

[Prengs]

What I meant is that this name '' kosovo'' was given after 1400 by the ottomans.

Yes Kosovo was given by ottomans, not in 1400, but after 1800.
Kosovo must be slavic term (given by ottomans) unlike "Serbia" that probably is caucasian or iranian term.

[Cleitus]

That looked like mayonnaise to my American eyes. You mean yogurt?
yes

[The Illyrian Warrior]

According to google translator blackbird is karatavuk in Turkish. How did Kosovo come from that? Even construction of the word Kosovo is slavic (with ending ovo) from Kos which is slavic word. Why would you rather it be Turkish than slavic :D

Wow, since when you took course from priests Stefane....Ok, lets say Kosova comes from Serbs (which isn't true since its debatable) but don't you think Dardania is more important historic name for Kosova and yet more important among Albanians aswell than Kosova is for Serbs since connects with our identity, history and continuation in these territory.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Wow, since when you took course from priests Stefane....Ok, lets say Kosova comes from Serbs (which isn't true since its debatable) but don't you think Dardania is more important historic name for Kosova and yet more important among Albanians aswell than Kosova is for Serbs since connects with our identity, history and continuation in these territory.

lol do you really want to have this debate :D We're talking about name origin and you're itching to have debate if Albanians were continuous in Kosovo.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

lol do you really want to have this debate :D We're talking about name origin and you're itching to have debate if Albanians were continuous in Kosovo.

You're trying to mention or start exact same thing first, basically Kosova toponymies didn't meant shit since you're admiting yourself everywhere slavs made settlements used to change toponymies into slavic also churches aren't an evidence of Serbian favors claiming native title either since those churches build in medieval era were prayer buildings for every tribe (or nation of modern times)....So this fairytail stories were pretty much popular in 19th of Serbian nationalist to rise moral and preparation to conquer Kosova when Ottoman were about to leave, however what was taken is given now.

[Stefan_Dusan]

You're trying to mention or start exact same thing first, basically Kosova toponymies didn't meant shit since you're admiting yourself everywhere slavs made settlements used to change toponymies into slavic also churches aren't an evidence of Serbian favors claiming native title either since those churches build in medieval era were prayer buildings for every tribe (or nation of modern times)....So this fairytail stories were pretty much popular in 19th of Serbian nationalist to rise moral and preparation to conquer Kosova when Ottoman were about to leave, however what was taken is given now.

Lol I'm not trying to do anything. Arianti said Kos was not any word in Serbian I corrected him. It means thrush. When you add black (Crni Kos) it means blackbird (black thrush) on Serbian. You on other hand want to go into debate and prove Serbians are newcomer ok here is some evidence against Albanians being first in Kosovo:

1)First recorded of Albanians by Byzantine sources have them around central Albania and even south into Eprus. In Kosovo/Dardania they recorded Vlahs and then Slavs.
2)Almost all of population back in Byzantine day was Orthodox. If that Orthodox population was Albanian than where are the Orthodox Albanians now in Kosovo?
3)There were several large migrations out of Kosovo in the 1600s, and Austrians and Hungarians recorded those leaving to be overwhelming Serbian. They did mention some Albanians but in minority.
4)Albanians themselves in Kosovo often proudly trace their ancestry to northern Albania/Montenegro even Nish area.
5)Ottoman sources indicate Muslim population in Kosovo came primarily from mountains west..

Blah Blah all circumstantial evidence. I don't want to have this debate since I don't care. Especially not here, but if you want start thread and we will debate.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Lol I'm not trying to do anything. Arianti said Kos was not any word in Serbian I corrected him. It means thrush. When you add black (Crni Kos) it means blackbird (black thrush) on Serbian. You on other hand want to go into debate and prove Serbians are newcomer ok here is some evidence against Albanians being first in Kosovo:

1)First recorded of Albanians by Byzantine sources have them around central Albania and even south into Eprus. In Kosovo/Dardania they recorded Vlahs and then Slavs.
2)Almost all of population back in Byzantine day was Orthodox. If that Orthodox population was Albanian than where are the Orthodox Albanians now in Kosovo?
3)There were several large migrations out of Kosovo in the 1600s, and Austrians and Hungarians recorded those leaving to be overwhelming Serbian. They did mention some Albanians but in minority.
4)Albanians themselves in Kosovo often proudly trace their ancestry to northern Albania/Montenegro even Nish area.
5)Ottoman sources indicate Muslim population in Kosovo came primarily from mountains west..

Blah Blah all circumstantial evidence. I don't want to have this debate since I don't care. Especially not here, but if you want start thread and we will debate.

What evidence, do you honestly think you proved something with that??

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0814755984

Here is real evidence, just made a short research and if well-respected among scholar community Noel Malcolm when he bash Serbian myth about Kosova isn't enough than we don't have what to speak about more unless you know something he and we don't know about.

Get it, Slavs are newcomers whether you or someone like it or not.

[Stefan_Dusan]

What evidence, do you honestly think you proved something with that??

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0814755984

Where does it say Albanians are native to Kosovo? And what is his evidence? Did you even read book :D

Byzantine sources didn't record any Albanians in Kosovo but they did in central Albania/Epirus. Why did they find Albanians in those desolate rocky places but not in the valleys of Kosovo that support larger population :D

[Arianiti]

According to google translator blackbird is karatavuk in Turkish. How did Kosovo come from that? Even construction of the word Kosovo is slavic (with ending ovo) from Kos which is slavic word. Why would you rather it be Turkish than slavic :D

ovo-is more Bulgarian ending imo.

I think that name should be very recent. When Kosova was separated from mother country, beginning of 20 cent.

[Stefan_Dusan]

ovo-is more Bulgarian ending imo.

I think that name should be very recent. When Kosova was separated by mother country, beginning of 20 cent.

Nah Severovo is a village in southwest Serbia far from Bulgarians. It's slavic ending found in both languages :)

[Kiyant]

Not at all, Kosovo is a mongrel name that was invented by mongrel subhuman slavs that invaded the ancient Illyrian lands in the 8th century, the flag is completely wrong.

The land known today as Kosovo has been inhabitated since ancient times, centuries before the slavs came here and it was named Dardania, slavic/serb presence in Kosovo is documented only after the 7th century after the barbaric slavs invaded these lands, they are immigrants and not natives.

In the upcoming years after union with Praevalitana(Northern Albanian illyrian lands) and Illyriada in Fyrom, the name and flag will be switched to the Illyrian confederation, than we will throw every kind of subhuman out of the confederation(serbs, gypsies, ashkalis, turks etc) and we will switch to our ancient Illyrian pagan rituals.

Dream on i dont have anything against Albanians but who do you think you are to say that Turks are subhumans?

[Arianiti]

Nah Severovo is a village in southwest Serbia far from Bulgarians. It's slavic ending found in both languages :)

It does not really matter how did it get it and when. It is an imposed name. Toponyms can change easily and it should fit to the majority of population.

Kosova should be called Dardania, which is its real and original name.

[Stefan_Dusan]

It does not really matter how did it get it and when. It is an imposed name.

Kosova should be called Dardania, which is its real and original name.

Dardania is the Roman given to the region. Just as imposed as Kosovo :)

[Arianiti]

Dardania is the Roman given to the region. Just as imposed as Kosovo :)

No you are wrong. Dardhania existed long before Romanum Emperium :) It was actually Dardanians who created Rome.

And it can be explained only via Albanian Language.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Where does it say Albanians are native to Kosovo? And what is his evidence? Did you even read book :D

Byzantine sources didn't record any Albanians in Kosovo but they did in central Albania/Epirus. Why did they find Albanians in those desolate rocky places but not in the valleys of Kosovo that support larger population :D

Who told you that, your native family about siptari or what?! :D Slow down with mythical orgasm since scholar proved something which gives you and all other srpski bitter taste of reality in contrary what church usual bombs your brain followed with school literature there.

Bashing of serbian myth simply means serbs native fairytale is bunch of bullcrap if PC is disabled among scholars, and if this leaves you un-bothered than fine by me. ;)

[Kiyant]

No you are wrong. Dardhania existred long before Romanum Emperium :) It was actually Dardanians who created Rome.

And it can be explained only via Albanian Language.

No it is quite clear thst Rome was created by Romans(Italics) of Greek ancestry thats why they had such a big greek influence

[Stefan_Dusan]

Who told you that, your native family about siptari or what?! :D Slow down with mythical orgasm since scholar proved something which gives you and all other srpski bitter taste of reality in contrary what church usual bombs your brain followed with school literature there.

What did he prove, quote him here instead of showing me book cover :D Here is review:


"An excellent scholarly contribution to the study of the province. . . . Seriously differs from the biased interpretations published by Serbian and Albanian historians, or trendy but shallow Western "Kosovology experts."
—Canadian Slavonic Papers

I doubt you read book or know what it says, you just posted it here :D

[Arianiti]

No it is quite clear thst Rome was created by Romans(Italics) of Greek ancestry thats why they had such a big greek influence

No, this is not true. I have already posted on this forum the family tree of those who established Rome . The rest is all bs.

[Arianiti]

Dardanus
In Greek mythology, Dardanus was a son of Zeus and Electra, daughter of Atlas, and founder of the city of Dardania on Mount Ida in the Troad.

Dardanias are Troyans :)

[Kiyant]

No, this is not true. I have already posted on this forum the family tree of those who established Rome . The rest is all bs.

Yeah greeks and ancient romans lied because they didnt want to give Albanian credits...........

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Heck what do you actually want to prove something which is already a dead case for you, being newcomers starting from 7th doesn't leave much choice compared to us which definitely are in much better positions since majority of scholars already support claim of Illyrians being direct ancestors of Albanians in this case Dardanians included aswell, thus not even Caucasian theory helped you much although a frenchie tried so hard to get support of his own theory among international historian community for BS which was turned down immediately.

[Arianiti]

Yeah greeks and ancient romans lied because they didnt want to give Albanian credits...........

Yes. the all ancient history that you learn today is a fake one.

Aeneas Dardanus went to "Rome" after Troy fell, and his successors Rome and Romulus created Rome, and another successor of him Brutus created Albion, Britania, pre-anglo-saxon era.

[Kiyant]

Yes. the all ancient history that you learn today is a fake one.

Aeneas Dardanus went to Rome after Troy fell, and his successors Rome and Romulus created Rome, and another successor of him Brutus created Albion, Britania, pre-anglo-saxon era.

Sounds bs like the Turkic theory of Etruscans and Sumerians most of the time baseless

[Arianiti]

Sounds bs like the Turkic theory of Etruscans and Sumerians most of the time baseless


I know its hard for you to believe it. What about mount Dardanelles you have in Turkey. Do they belong to us Dardhanians what do you think?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

What did he prove, quote him here instead of showing me book cover :D Here is review:

I doubt you read book or know what it says, you just posted it here :D

Do you actually read the book or not, or just stick to some useless details which have nothing to do with subject overall.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Heck what do you actually want to prove something which is already a dead case for you, being newcomers starting from 7th doesn't leave much choice compared to us which definitely are in much better positions since majority of scholars already support claim of Illyrians being direct ancestors of Albanians in this case Dardanians included aswell, thus not even Caucasian theory helped you much although a frenchie tried so hard to get support of his own theory among international historian community for BS which was turned down immediately.

It's not dead case. If Albanians are native to one corner of the Balkans doesn't make you native to every corner on the Balkans. The people of Kosovo became romanized, i.e Vlahs during Roman empire. Later they mixed with slavs. Who settled in Balkans 6th or so century.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Do you actually read the book or not, or just stick to some useless details which have nothing to do with subject overall.

I haven't read book. You brought it here, at least quote passage that supports you instead of showing me book cover. I can't do much with book covers except admire art.

[Arianiti]

http://i43.tinypic.com/o88i94.png

[Kiyant]

http://i43.tinypic.com/o88i94.png

Aeneas was a Trojan prince not a Dardanian.........

[The Illyrian Warrior]

It's not dead case. If Albanians are native to one corner of the Balkans doesn't make you native to every corner on the Balkans. The people of Kosovo became romanized, i.e Vlahs during Roman empire. Later they mixed with slavs. Who settled in Balkans 6th or so century.

And where does it leave native Dardanians were they Vlachic aswell?! Or just disappeared? :rolleyes2:

You know this doesn't make any sense, why in the earth you try to mix things up just to disapprove something which connects more with Albanians historically than with Serbs in these territory .....Vlachs weren't such a massive group to expand their presence more than Illyrians or Dardanians, TBH all this Vlachic theory is more an overrated historical attention to leave room for manoeuvre to balance or leave Albanians case in Kosova not settled once and for all.

[Arianiti]

Aeneas was a Trojan prince not a Dardanian.........

Dardanian, Troyan same thing
Aeneas `the Dardanian' (King) of LATIUM (when left the Troy)
Aeneas `the Dardanian'. Prince of Troy

[Kiyant]

Dardanian, Troyan same thing
Aeneas `the Dardanian' (King) of LATIUM (when left the Troy)
Aeneas `the Dardanian'. Prince of Troy
But Trojans were Greeks or Anatolians how can they be Albanian if Albanians are Illyrian (Illyrians didnt speak Anatolian languages or Greek)

[Arianiti]

But Trojans were Greeks or Anatolians how can they be Albanian if Albanians are Illyrian (Illyrians didnt speak Anatolian languages or Greek)

If Trojans were Greeks why would Greek tribes fight them for ten years and burn everything in Troy. :)

[Pjeter Pan]

But Trojans were Greeks or Anatolians how can they be Albanian if Albanians are Illyrian (Illyrians didnt speak Anatolian languages or Greek) Trojan weren't Greeks. They were just Trojans

[Pjeter Pan]

Yes. the all ancient history that you learn today is a fake one.

Aeneas Dardanus went to "Rome" after Troy fell, and his successors Rome and Romulus created Rome, and another successor of him Brutus created Albion, Britania, pre-anglo-saxon era.
Stop with the mythology

[Kiyant]

Trojan weren't Greeks. They were just Trojans

Trojans were most likely Anatolians

[Kiyant]

If Trojans were Greeks why would Greek tribes fight them for ten years and burn everything in Troy. :)

Maybe because they were Anatolians?

[Arianiti]

Stop with the mythology


Stop with the shitty fake history.

[Arianiti]

Trojans were most likely Anatolians

Who are Anatolians?

Anatol, what the fck this name means in antiquity?

[Pjeter Pan]

If Trojans were Greeks why would Greek tribes fight them for ten years and burn everything in Troy. :)

Greek city states always fought each other. For example Athens and Sparta

[Stefan_Dusan]

And where does it leave native Dardanians were they Vlachic aswell?! Or just disappeared? :rolleyes2:

The native Dardanians became Vlahs when they lost their language and began speaking Romance. When the slavs encountered them, they called them vlasi but in reality they were ancient Dardanians (maybe mixed with Romans to some extent) speaking Romance tongue and having Orthodox religion.

[Pjeter Pan]

Stop with the shitty fake history.

Nothing fake about, the so called history you're talking is based on mythology lol

[Cleitus]

Maybe because they were Anatolians?
Trojans were Thracians.

[Arianiti]

Do you know why the Dardanian Constantine the Great established Constantinople in today's territory ? Bc he wanted close to Kingdom of Troy, and maybe to reestablish it :)

[Arianiti]

Trojans were Thracians.

Really?

and who are the thracians?

Pst

[Pjeter Pan]

Really?

and who are the thracians?

Pst
Use google

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians

[Arianiti]

Ik shko bone cicin :mad:

Use google yourself

[Dandelion]

No offence, but I don't like the flag. It resembles the EU flag too much.

[Cleitus]

Really?

and who are the thracians?

Pst
The Thracians (Ancient Greek: Θρᾷκες Thrāikes, Latin: Thraci) were a group of Indo-European tribes inhabiting a large area in Central and Southeastern Europe. They were bordered by the Scythians to the north, the Celts and the Illyrians to the west, the Ancient Greeks to the south and the Black Sea to the east. They spoke the Thracian language – a scarcely attested branch of the Indo-European language family. The study of Thracians and Thracian culture is known as Thracology.
The first historical record about the Thracians is found in the Iliad, where they are described as allies of the Trojans in the Trojan War against the Greeks. The ethnonym Thracian comes from Ancient Greek Θρᾷξ (plural Θρᾷκες; Thrāix, Thrāikes) or Θρᾴκιος/Ionic: Θρηίκιος (Thrāikios/Thrēikios), and the toponym Thrace comes from Θρᾴκη/Ion.: Θρῄκη (Thrāikē/Thrēikē). These forms are all exonyms as applied by the Greeks.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Btw Archon my surname Progovac and your apricity name progoni taken from Albanian ruling family share same root: word for ancestor.

[Dandelion]

I like more this one

http://www.balkantravellers.com/images/stories/peak_season/kosovo_flag/rugovas-flag.jpg

Better indeed. Should have the black double-headed eagle on it.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

The native Dardanians became Vlahs when they lost their language and began speaking Romance. When the slavs encountered them, they called them vlasi but in reality they were ancient Dardanians (maybe mixed with Romans to some extent) speaking Romance tongue and having Orthodox religion.

Vlach origin is still debatable how in the heck you came in this conclusion?! Great schism didn't happen in those times until 11th century, back than churches nor religion wasn't separated as today in Catholism and Orthodoxy.

[Arianiti]

The Thracians

Illyrian, Thracian, Dardanian, Macedonians etc they were all one group.

Wikipedia lies.

[Cleitus]

Pse puma bon Thumb Down ?
http://2guysreadinggibbon.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/map-thrace-740px-roman_provinces_of_illyricum_macedonia_moesia_pann onia_and_thracia.jpg

[Pjeter Pan]

Btw Archon my surname Progovac and your apricity name progoni taken from Albanian ruling family share same root: word for ancestor. naming my son that :D
Lol nice what's you name mean?
Progon, it comes from "Po agon", that means the sun is rising

[Stefan_Dusan]

Vlach origin is still debatable how in the heck you came in this conclusion?! Great schism didn't happen in those times until 11th century, back than churches nor religion wasn't separated as today in Catholism and Orthodoxy.

They were Romance speaking people, i.e Vlahs. There is no such thing as Vlah origin as Vlahs have different origins depending on circumstance. Your right back in 6th century about religion but they stayed faithful to Constantinople never Rome. Hence Orthodox.

[Pjeter Pan]

Ik shko bone cicin :mad:

Use google yourself
What's your problem man you believe in mythology and I believe in actual real history with facts and evidence. Are you a fucking historian? You don't know shit.

[Kiyant]

Who are Anatolians?

Anatol, what the fck this name means in antiquity?

Anatolian were a language group which were wiped out by Greeks

[Stefan_Dusan]

naming my son that :D
Lol nice what's you name mean?
Progon, it comes from "Po agon", that means the sun is rising

No, I think Progo means ancestor. In slavic you add vac. In albanian ni for someone. So Progon means original ancestor of the family.

[Cleitus]

What's your problem man you believe in mythology and I believe in actual real history with facts and evidence. Are you a fucking historian? You don't know shit.
Stop using such heavy words.

[Arianiti]

[QUOTE=Hyperborea;2440738]Pse puma bon Thumb Down ?


Gabimisht, Sorry

Krejt rrena jane keto. Prej ketu deri pertej Stambollit te sotem ka qene toke shqiptare.

Ska pase kurgjo tjeter vetem paraardhesit tane, gjaku yne.

[Arianiti]

What's your problem man you believe in mythology and I believe in actual real history with facts and evidence. Are you a fucking historian? You don't know shit.

Ti e din mutin.

Little ignorant selling shit.

[Pjeter Pan]

No, I think Progo means ancestor. In slavic you add vac. In albanian ni for someone. So Progon means original ancestor of the family.
Idk man this is what kastrioti told me, he knows more about it.
In what language does it mean ancestor? Serbian or Albanian

[Skerdilaid]

No, I think Progo means ancestor. In slavic you add vac. In albanian ni for someone. So Progon means original ancestor of the family.

Lol

[Pjeter Pan]

Ti e din mutin.

Little ignorant selling shit.

Don't be a hypocrite

[Stefan_Dusan]

Idk man this is what kastrioti told me, he knows more about it.
In what language does it mean ancestor? Serbian or Albanian

Greek. Just look at English word Progenitor notice how similar beginning is to Progo.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Lol

What are you laughing at Dardan :D

[Óttar]

Looks like fuckin' Antarctica.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Flag_of_Antarctica.svg

[Dandelion]

http://rlv.zcache.com/glbt_rainbow_pride_double_headed_eagle_button-r1e2a11676eb94b7f802f60ebe388ae35_x7j3i_8byvr_324. jpg

[Skerdilaid]

What are you laughing at Dardan :D

Never mind;)

[Armenian Bishop]

I always thought that the Thracian People were a Trojan Ally, but didn't think that Trojans themselves were Thracian.

In Rhesus, by Euripides, as well as in Homer's Iliad, a Thracian King, Rhesus of Thrace, arrived with a small army to help the Trojans defend Troy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhesus_of_Thrace

[justme]

I always thought that the Thracian People were a Trojan Ally, but didn't think that Trojans themselves were Thracian.

In Rhesus, by Euripides, as well as in Homer's Iliad, a Thracian King, Rhesus of Thrace, arrived with a small army to help the Trojans defend Troy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhesus_of_Thrace
Well a brother always helps a brother so it could e possible they were related... Blood is thicker then water.

[Gentos]

I dont like it, we have one flag!

[SKYNET]

this one is most attractive to me, and I can explain why


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Flag_of_Kosovo_%28DioGuardi%27s_proposal%29.svg/200px-Flag_of_Kosovo_%28DioGuardi%27s_proposal%29.svg.pn g



the current flag of Kosovo reminds me a bit of Bosnian.

[Gentos]

45216

[Gjergj Dukagjini]

Needless to say, this flag came out of a big compromise. While the question of Kosova got perplexed by sharp antagonism between Great Powers, EU off the bat designed a flag which eschewed from any Albanian element on it. They instead opted for a flag which would represent even minorities likewise. A gravest mistake methinks because demographically speaking, Kosova is way more homogeneous than Bosnia and Macedonia. I don't lay much stress to the recent census which was forged by EU, but in all probability Albanians are more than 2.5 million, thus comprising 96% of general population. Being so, the national symbols should have been designed as to symbolize the thoroughly Albanian character of Kosova. Be that as it may, this flag will remain temporarily as Kosova surely will be part of Albania in the near future. I think the following speaks volumes on how will our future look...

http://s13.postimg.org/tumdpb4fb/flamuri_kombetar_mbulon_kosoven.jpg

[Kelmend/Gjigol]

the only one who should question his flag is albania, how can this tiny muslim country claim the byzantine eagle without having and wanting any connection to the byzantine empire




You Stick to your's what ever it is


Albanian Flag is a Raptor/Drakue

[armenianbodyhair]

Its ugly AF.

[Bughuul]

I don't even understand why Kosovo can't just become a region of Albania!? Why would we need Albania Two?

[Armenian Bishop]

Its ugly AF.

I have to agree. I don't like the flag of Kosovo. It's a product of the UN and NATO, whom gave Kosovo life, with the bombing of Serbian civilian targets.

[Alexandros]

Kosovo-Flag is a fake flag like the Bosnian flag. 90% of Albanians in Germany and CH use the flag of Republic of Albania. Kosovo is not ''free'' or ''independente'' ... its more like a western protectorate with camp Bonsteel (USA), EULEX (EU)etc. ...
The ''country'' is disputed and no entry in EU, UEFA, Olympic games or UN. There will also in future conflicts (Northern-Kosovo, Mitrovica).

The most Albanians in Germany and CH dont like this flag.

[Peyrol]

I like more this one

http://www.balkantravellers.com/images/stories/peak_season/kosovo_flag/rugovas-flag.jpg

That's a badass flag, look good



How about the flag of the former Greater Albania?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Flag_of_Albania_%281939-1943%29.svg/600px-Flag_of_Albania_%281939-1943%29.svg.png