Is this modern day Ionian a good standin for ancient Ionian Socrates?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/625577_283321411797902_1817386769_n.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/UWASocrates_gobeirne_cropped.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Socrates_Louvre.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

The Ionian is a bit more CM I'd say. But maybe.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Well you can't see socrates's chin under the beard.

[Smeagol]

He could be.

[Sikeliot]

Yes. I think Ionians might be a good proxy for ancient Greeks since they have not experienced most of the genetic influxes that other Greeks have experienced. On 23andme Ionians appear to be more "southern" on the PCA plot than other mainland Greeks, but they have much less Near Eastern admixture than Aegean islanders, Cretans etc.

This implies to me that they have both evaded the Slavic influence, and have not mixed with Pontians, Anatolians, or other Near Easterners who have made their way to Greece for whatever reason. And they never had a largely Anatolian genetic base unlike Aegean islanders.

[Anglojew]

Yes. Similar type I'd say. Are their descriptions of Socrates pigmentation?

Kamal900's dads a dead ringer too (but brunette).

[Smeagol]

Are their descriptions of Socrates pigmentation?

There aren't.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Too bad.

[Hithaeglir]

There aren't any modern Greeks who identify as "Ionians".

[Immortal Technique]

Looks levantine and east med

[Bloodnigger]

Somewhat.

For some reason this has been stuck in my head for a while

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Vatsoc.jpg

http://greece.greekreporter.com/files/Nikolaos-Michaloliakos.jpg

[Bloodnigger]

Yes. I think Ionians might be a good proxy for ancient Greeks since they have not experienced most of the genetic influxes that other Greeks have experienced. On 23andme Ionians appear to be more "southern" on the PCA plot than other mainland Greeks, but they have much less Near Eastern admixture than Aegean islanders, Cretans etc.

This implies to me that they have both evaded the Slavic influence, and have not mixed with Pontians, Anatolians, or other Near Easterners who have made their way to Greece for whatever reason. And they never had a largely Anatolian genetic base unlike Aegean islanders.

I've seen the K plots, mainlander greeks do score more northern but they are less near eastern than the islanders which have not picked any of the migrations at all, including the dudes from the population exchange.

Are you trying to tell me that ancient greeks were seriously more southern and near eastern?

[aherne]

He is much more gracilized, but same basic element in both (CM)...

[Faklon]

Manolis Rasoulis,Greek singer

http://www.flowmagazine.gr/images/uploads/manolis_rasoulis_3.jpg

http://www.gentikoule.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/rasoulis-ofi.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HeUqVsVJNxo/TjWjiU-hZDI/AAAAAAAAAHk/jP-erQrDkxk/s1600/rasoulis+130311_l.jpg

[Sikeliot]

He's from Kefalonia, but we call those islands Ionian now.

[Queen B]

There aren't any modern Greeks who identify as "Ionians".

Excuse me , miss, what am I? :whistle::whistle::whistle:

[Faklon]

Excuse me , miss, what am I? :whistle::whistle::whistle:

Παγώνα.:lol:

[Hithaeglir]

Excuse me , miss, what am I? :whistle::whistle::whistle:

a Zakynthian :lol:

[Bloodnigger]

Excuse me , miss, what am I? :whistle::whistle::whistle:

Slavicized.

[Queen B]

a Zakynthian :lol:
Which is part of which islands?

Slavicized.
Not even close.

[Hithaeglir]

Which is part of which islands?

The Ionian islands :P But do you say i'm "Ionian" when people ask you where you come from? :P

[Queen B]

The Ionian islands :P But do you say i'm "Ionian" when people ask you where you come from? :P

In English, yes. Eptanisia (Septinisular) isn't a very common word for use in English.

[Hithaeglir]

In English, yes. Eptanisia (Septinisular) isn't a very common word for use in English.

True.Septinisular would be a very cool word though :P

[Casandrinos]

Manolis Rasoulis,Greek singer

http://www.flowmagazine.gr/images/uploads/manolis_rasoulis_3.jpg

http://www.gentikoule.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/rasoulis-ofi.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HeUqVsVJNxo/TjWjiU-hZDI/AAAAAAAAAHk/jP-erQrDkxk/s1600/rasoulis+130311_l.jpg


Seems like ancients indeed discovered time machine :icon_lol:

[Bloodnigger]

Seems like ancients indeed discovered time machine :icon_lol:

Not really. Put a beard on any greek old man and he's suddenly Lycurgus or Aristophanes.

http://puu.sh/bqTxz.jpg

http://puu.sh/bqTF9.jpg

[Casandrinos]

Not really. Put a beard on any greek old man and he's suddenly Lycurgus or Aristophanes.

http://puu.sh/bqTxz.jpg

http://puu.sh/bqTF9.jpg

I agree but i felt as if the bust was done to honor Rasoulis for the ''ax ellada'' and not Socrates :icon_lol:

[Sakis]

http://puu.sh/bqTF9.jpg

That guy looks like the bust of Zeus on my avatar.Holy shit.

[Bloodnigger]

We should start growing beards by the time we are 40.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4895735040/h1D116D92/

http://puu.sh/bqWE0.jpg

http://puu.sh/bqWGc.jpg

[Dorian]

http://s4.postimg.org/8bptvnsa5/image.jpg
http://s4.postimg.org/vegcuttrh/532219.jpg
http://s4.postimg.org/jduwu3mct/1491679.jpg

[Scholarios]

Yes. I think Ionians might be a good proxy for ancient Greeks since they have not experienced most of the genetic influxes that other Greeks have experienced. On 23andme Ionians appear to be more "southern" on the PCA plot than other mainland Greeks, but they have much less Near Eastern admixture than Aegean islanders, Cretans etc.

This implies to me that they have both evaded the Slavic influence, and have not mixed with Pontians, Anatolians, or other Near Easterners who have made their way to Greece for whatever reason. And they never had a largely Anatolian genetic base unlike Aegean islanders.

Hmm. Ionian Islanders are people inhabiting the archipelago of the Ionian Sea. "Ionians"-- the ancient Greek "ethne" were the people of Athens and Ionic Coast. (Asia Minor). Hence the Iranian and Turkish and Arabic names for Greeks - Yunanistani- Yunani etc. "Ionians".

It's unclear what Melonhead originally meant by it though...

http://www.travellinkturkey.com/aegean/ionia-map.jpg

We also have a Athenian suburb named as 'Nea Ionia" founded by refugees from Asia Minor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nea_Ionia

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Yes. Similar type I'd say. Are their descriptions of Socrates pigmentation?

Kamal900's dads a dead ringer too (but brunette).

Kamal's dad looks like Socrates twin 100%.

[Faklon]

http://s4.postimg.org/8bptvnsa5/image.jpg
http://s4.postimg.org/vegcuttrh/532219.jpg
http://s4.postimg.org/jduwu3mct/1491679.jpg

Massive Trikala specimen.

Bet that in another situation he would be labelled Alpha Slavovlach.

See Sikeliot?
I post Rasoulis(Cretan) and this is what you get.

[Scholarios]

Massive Trikala specimen.

Bet that in another situation he would be labelled Alpha Slavovlach.

See Sikeliot?
I post Rasoulis(Cretan) and this is what you get.

Personally, I do distinguish between this Alpinid look that I rightly or wrongly associate with Ancient Epirus, Socrates, and other " non Intruders". Slavovlach is generally reserved for the upside down triangle heads, square jaw, balto-gorids who Sikeliot sometimes posts.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Were indo europeans whities or brown swarties? We must know!