Protesters being financed, U$ 5 billion spent according to Nuland

[curupira]

Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nuland said it in the video below:


In an eight minute, 46 second speech at the National Press Club sponsored by the US-Ukraine Foundation, Chevron, and Ukraine-in-Washington Lobby Group, Nuland boasted that Washington has spent $5 billion to foment agitation to bring Ukraine into the EU.

Once captured by the EU, Ukraine will be “helped” by the West acting through the IMF. Nuland, of course, presented the IMF as Ukraine’s rescuer, not as the iron hand of the West that will squeeze all life out of Ukraine’s struggling economy.

Nuland’s audience consisted of all the people who will be enriched by the looting and by connections to a Washington-appointed Ukrainian government. Just look at the large Chevron sign next to which Nuland speaks, and you will know what it is all about.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/02/21/is-ukraine-drifting-toward-civil-war-and-great-power-confrontation/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y0y-JUsPTU

[RussiaPrussia]

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[RussiaPrussia]

sponsored by chevron, interesting

[Pure ja]

IMF is fine, but Chevron means fracking.

[curupira]

George Soros may also have been an "additional hand" in it.


Back in 2011 the Party of Regions warned that if left unchecked the globalist financier George Soros would unleash a “Libyan scenario” on Ukraine.

“I even have information that Soros has allocated certain funds in order to prepare a certain group of young boys here in Ukraine who could launch any existing projects based on the North Africa examples,” said Aleksandr Yefremov, head of the Party of Regions parliamentary faction.

A “certain group of young boys,” namely violent gun-toting hooligans from the Right Sector and associated neofascist groups, are reportedly in control of Kyiv as of Saturday. Members of 31st Hundred, an opposition group from Lviv, were said to be in control of Ukraine’s Parliament building, The New York Times reports, and the president, Viktor Yanukovych, has fled the capitol. Protesters have taken control of his home.

The United States and NATO supported mercenaries in Libya who overthrew the government and murdered its leader, Col. Muammar al-Gaddafi. Libya is now paralyzed by factional, regional, tribal and ideological divisions, a fate Ukraine now confronts as stores are looted, cash machines emptied, and a mass exodus departs the capitol for Odessa, Simferopol and Kharkov, Ukrainian cities largely loyal to the government and less affected by the turmoil, according to Russia Today.

In 2008 the now imprisoned former prime minister, Yulia Timoshenko, talked about the role George Soros played in Ukrainian politics and the advice he gave following the financial crisis.

“This raised suspicions that through such advice George Soros could influence the rate of the Ukrainian national currency in his own speculative interests. Several officials from president Yushchenko’s administration said they wanted to launch a probe into Soros’ Ukrainian activities, but it did not happen,” RT.com reported in 2011.

In 2010 the Ukrainian State Security Service began monitoring the activities of the Soros sponsored and funded Vozrozdeniye (“Renaissance”) foundation and its connection to other NGOs operating in the country. The investigation did not produce actionable results.

In response to the accusations leveled by Aleksandr Yefremov, the Soros Foundation “said in a special statement that all funds allocated for Ukrainian programs are being spent on the development of the open and democratic society and also for helping Ukrainian citizens, who suffered from the effects of the international financial crisis.”

In January we reported on the cynical attempt by Soros to undermine Ukraine and other nations in the Russian Federation. Soros’ Open Society Institute, now known as Open Society Foundations (OSF), doles out grants to activist NGOs in central Europe and builds upon and continues the work of the Ford Foundation. Since the early 1950s, the CIA has used the Ford Foundation as a funding cover. Soros and a handful of U.S. organizations such as the National Endowment for Democracy destabilize and overthrow governments, tasks formerly accomplished by the CIA.

The destabilization of the Ukrainian government is part of an ongoing geostrategic move by the globalists to undermine any challenge to their hegemonic designs. Libya suffered the result of what is essentially an order out of chaos plan. A similar plan on Russia’s frontier is now underway.
http://mediachecker.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/soros-funded-libyan-scenario-now-unfolding-in-ukraine/
http://www.infowars.com/soros-funded-libyan-scenario-now-unfolding-in-ukraine/

[Unome]

Lies and simple propaganda, c'mon, do better than this.

Easterners just do not want to believe that Ukraine is acting of her own volition here. Why can't some people just value Freedom, as US does?

Let Freedom Ring! :cool_002:

[curupira]

Lies and simple propaganda

One cannot deny the US and the EU are doing all they can to distance Ukraine from Russia, thus weakening Russia.

[Unome]

One cannot deny the US and the EU are doing all they can to distance Ukraine from Russia, thus weakening Russia.
Yes but donating $5bil is the accusation.

This is a lot of money; where is it? Does Ukraine have fighter jets or something? Where did this supposed money come and go??

Some evidence?

[curupira]

Where did this supposed money come and go??

Some evidence?

The American diplomat Victoria Nuland said it herself.


In an eight minute, 46 second speech at the National Press Club sponsored by the US-Ukraine Foundation, Chevron, and Ukraine-in-Washington Lobby Group, Nuland boasted that Washington has spent $5 billion to foment agitation to bring Ukraine into the EU

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/02/21/is-ukraine-drifting-toward-civil-war-and-great-power-confrontation/

[Unome]

So prove it.

As I said, $5bil is a lot of money. Where is the money now, in Ukraine? A bunch of tanks or something? A nuclear bomb? A small army?

All you have to do is provide some evidence of how this money manifested, should be simple. Otherwise this is simple propaganda and false accusation.

[curupira]

^ The American diplomat Victoria Nuland has said it herself... that the US has 'invested' over U$ 5 billion to help 'democratize' Ukraine (we know what 'democratize' in this context means: Ukraine away from Russia).

Just have a look at the video by yourself.... 7:40 onwards in the video below:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y0y-JUsPTU

[Leo Iscariot]

No shock here.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Lies and simple propaganda, c'mon, do better than this.

Easterners just do not want to believe that Ukraine is acting of her own volition here. Why can't some people just value Freedom, as US does?

Let Freedom Ring! :cool_002:

They probably gave george soros $2.5 billion of it just to have femen girls shit on pictures of the pope, most of which went to his bank account. That's what they usually mean by 'fomenting freedom'. Probably had about as much effect as a fart in the wind.

[Methmatician]

It's not the protesters that have been financed, it's the new Ukrainian government :picard1:

[Sarmatian]

Yes but donating $5bil is the accusation.

This is a lot of money; where is it? Does Ukraine have fighter jets or something? Where did this supposed money come and go??

Some evidence?

Money where used to prepare a “certain group of young boys” for 'liberation' of Ukraine. Which means they were trained in the network of camps around Baltics. Some reports suggest there are as many as 20 000 of these 'boys', they are well trained, armed and equipped. Some of them have seen action in Chechnya, Georgia, Syria (all confirmed) and probably Lybia.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Money where used to prepare a “certain group of young boys” for 'liberation' of Ukraine. Which means they were trained in the network of camps around Baltics. Some reports suggest there are as many as 20 000 of these 'boys', they are well trained, armed and equipped. Some of them have seen action in Chechnya, Georgia, Syria (all confirmed) and probably Lybia.

I think you're delusioning on this one. For 5 billion they could even buy me as mercenary, they would not train a bunch of tards just for this.

[Sarmatian]

I think you're delusioning on this one. For 5 billion they could even buy me as mercenary, they would not train a bunch of tards just for this.

They don't train anyone, they just signing the check. UNA-UNSO was founded by veterans of Soviet-Afghan war, they can build an army on their own, all they needed was money.

Sure 5 billion is quite a sum but keep in mind all these activities are illegal so all supplies should've been obtained through black market. Plus maintaining an undercover army of 20000 is quite a demanding task, will need a lot of bribes for that.

Still it's not the only expenses these radicals have had. All these years they were very active in politics and seemed to be quite resourceful.

But anyway I don't think all 5 billion went to the extreme Right and their army. I'm sure the shady dealers fueled a few different developments that served one purpose.

[Äijä]

Money where used to prepare a “certain group of young boys” for 'liberation' of Ukraine. Which means they were trained in the network of camps around Baltics. Some reports suggest there are as many as 20 000 of these 'boys', they are well trained, armed and equipped. Some of them have seen action in Chechnya, Georgia, Syria (all confirmed) and probably Lybia.

You have some proof of this?

[Hong Key]

They will use any means necessary to accomplice there diabolical plans. Which includes proxy war with Russia, White genocide etc. Some of the protest groups will be compromised. I have a bad feeling about one in particular. But others will get money/support and left alone to do there thing. Since the Right Wing can disrupt things the most, there the ones they go with and then of course throw the evil Nazis under the bus when there done. Remember the U.S. is fighting against al Qaeda is Afghanistan and fight along side al Qaeda in Syria. U.S., E.U. and Russia out of Ukraine. Ukraine for the Ukrainians.

[Sarmatian]

You have some proof of this?

Even Ukrainian Security Service was unable to prove it. But working info is there are training camps in Latvia, Poland and someplace else I don't remember.

[Äijä]

Even Ukrainian Security Service was unable to prove it. But working info is there are training camps in Latvia, Poland and someplace else I don't remember.

Who would be running these camps? Smells like disinformation but you seem sane so willing to entertain the claim.

[Hong Key]

I don't know anything about camps and 20,000 army of youths but I know some of the Afghan vets he mentioned did fight in Chechnya against Russia. Unless that's Russian propaganda.
Aleksandr Muzychko a/k/a Sashko Bilyi. Head of the leading Ukrainian nationalist group, Right Sector–the most prominent group in the Ukraine protests... in 1994, Muzychko, arrived in Chechnya to join separatist forces. He took part in numerous battles with federal troops, mainly in the capital Grozny, and personally knocked out three tanks, six armored personnel carriers and a SP vehicle. From R.T.

I think this is there Wiki page. I don't feel like reading it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_National_Assembly_%E2%80%93_Ukrainian_Na tional_Self_Defence

EDIT: And there accused of fighting in Georgia against the Russians.

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Who would be running these camps? Smells like disinformation but you seem sane so willing to entertain the claim.
ever heard of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_site
btw most of 'pro-western' opposition in east slavic countries receive money through Lithuania

[RussiaPrussia]

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[Hweinlant]

With 5 billion $ you would have an effective mini-army, not just a bunch of kids with molotov coctails and air guns.

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/02/18/kiev-218-006-f9664086edc3610065ffbee8674246dd49ed4ce5.jpg?

[Pure ja]

Money where used to prepare a “certain group of young boys” for 'liberation' of Ukraine. Which means they were trained in the network of camps around Baltics. Some reports suggest there are as many as 20 000 of these 'boys', they are well trained, armed and equipped. Some of them have seen action in Chechnya, Georgia, Syria (all confirmed) and probably Lybia.

Around Baltics???
So does that mean the Pskov oblast and Kaliningrad?
Because sure as hell there have not been any training camps for 20 000 ukrainians within the Baltics.

EDIT. And what exactly was "all confirmed"???

[Pure ja]

Even Ukrainian Security Service was unable to prove it. But working info is there are training camps in Latvia, Poland and someplace else I don't remember.

Latvian professional army is about 1000-men strong.
Latvians do not even have conscription any more.
And that means that any extraordinary military camps would stand out and be noted in a second.

EDIT. Correction, Latvia has about 1800 active professional soldiers. Plus officers.

[Sarmatian]

With 5 billion $ you would have an effective mini-army, not just a bunch of kids with molotov coctails and air guns.

Well it's not like one can go with his 5 billion to another sovereign country in the middle of Europe and build an army there. One have to organize all sorts of social and political activities that will allow to allocate a small part of these money to illegal operations. Then as it's usual for Ukraine some chunk of money will get stolen.

[Sarmatian]

Around Baltics???
So does that mean the Pskov oblast and Kaliningrad?
Because sure as hell there have not been any training camps for 20 000 ukrainians within the Baltics.

It wouldn't surprise me if they have camps in underpopulated forests of Russia too.

And don't be ridiculous, nobody is going to put all 20 000 people in one place. Camps for such purposes are small and can only accommodate very few people at one time.


EDIT. And what exactly was "all confirmed"???

It means participation of Ukrainian nationalists in these wars as mercenaries or volunteers is confirmed.

[Krampus]

Swag

[Hweinlant]

Well it's not like one can go with his 5 billion to another sovereign country in the middle of Europe and build an army there. One have to organize all sorts of social and political activities that will allow to allocate a small part of these money to illegal operations. Then as it's usual for Ukraine some chunk of money will get stolen.

That sounds like normal meddling aka "building the grass root civil society" and not like building a army. In-fact I think Nuland was specifically referring to this type of investments, rather than some clandestine shadow army. What ever the outcome is, the intention was good. U.S , like EU, have wanted to assist Ukrainians to build more open and transparent society in all steps. Clearly that is much needed in Ukraine, considering that their president just ran off with state's funds.

[Sarmatian]

That sounds like normal meddling aka "building the grass root civil society" and not like building a army. In-fact I think Nuland was specifically referring to this type of investments, rather than some clandestine shadow army. What ever the outcome is, the intention was good. U.S , like EU, have wanted to assist Ukrainians to build more open and transparent society in all steps. Clearly that is much needed in Ukraine, considering that their president just ran off with state's funds.

Maybe US intentions were good and they financed social developments only. But when dealing with such a corrupt country as Ukraine one should understand that large chunk of money will be taken away and used inappropriately on things like lavish lifestyle or all sorts of illegal activities. I don't think those people in US giving 5 billion to Ukrainian opposition are naive and benevolent, they know very well who they're dealing with and can foresee activities of these beneficiaries some few steps ahead. And that's exactly why they give away such money: it's perfectly serves their goal, someone else getting their hands dirty while US taking all the biggest and sweetest fruits.

[Pure ja]

It wouldn't surprise me if they have camps in underpopulated forests of Russia too.

And don't be ridiculous, nobody is going to put all 20 000 people in one place. Camps for such purposes are small and can only accommodate very few people at one time.


Paramilitary camps within the Baltic countries are out of the question. At best one can imagine some under-the-roof close combat (self-defense) training in larger cities with a large russian (soviet ex-military) population - an ideal place for Kremlin spying, so again not likely. Besides RF and Belarus, the only other option would be Poland.

[glass]

Paramilitary camps within the Baltic countries are out of the question.
CIA black sites in Lithuania (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cia-black-sites-lithuania/story?id=9400744)
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[Pure ja]

CIA black sites in Lithuania (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cia-black-sites-lithuania/story?id=9400744)
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Do you suggest that Ukrainian nationalists trained in a Lithuanian prison???
That would be a novel approach.

[Burkean]

"Protesters being financed"

Ok, but what is wrong in this?)