MPs from Buenos Aires, Argentina versus MPs from Santiago, Chile - compare and contrast

[Tooting Carmen]

I have had requests from some users to do threads about MPs from both countries, so here goes.

BUENOS AIRES
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[Tooting Carmen]

BUENOS AIRES (continued)
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[Tooting Carmen]

SANTIAGO
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[Tooting Carmen]

SANTIAGO (continued)
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[mikeyup]

can't even notice any amerindian strains

[Armand_Duval]

Both considerably "whiter" on average than their counterparts of mexico, curiously there are slightly more possible admixed looking individuals among these argentineans than possible admixed among the chileans.

[Tooting Carmen]

Both considerably "whiter" on average than their counterparts of mexico, curiously there are slightly more possible admixed looking individuals among these argentineans than possible admixed among the chileans.

Yes, there seems to be much more of a disparity in average appearance/phenotype between the different social classes in Chile than in Argentina.

[Tooting Carmen]

can't even notice any amerindian strains

A lot of them don't even have Spanish or Amerindian surnames; there are surnames from Portugal, Italy, Croatia, Britain, France, Germany, Palestine even.

[Smaug]

Meds, Alpines and Atlantids. Of course some seem mixed. They seem more "Med" than the average White Brazilian.

[Tooting Carmen]

They seem more "Med" than the average White Brazilian.

Given that most White Brazilians are of Portuguese, Spanish and/or Italian descent, I really doubt it.

[Damião de Góis]

there are surnames from Portugal

Which surnames, out of curiosity?

[Argentano]

Meds, Alpines and Atlantids. Of course some seem mixed. They seem more "Med" than the average White Brazilian.


Both considerably "whiter" on average than their counterparts of mexico, curiously there are slightly more possible admixed looking individuals among these argentineans than possible admixed among the chileans.


wich ones look mixed?

[Tooting Carmen]

Which surnames, out of curiosity?

Silva and Moreira come to mind.

[Armand_Duval]

can't even notice any amerindian strains

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GVg8Shr9ypg/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAACw/KL_8acaDqxk/photo.jpg




This ones look "suspicious".

http://www.noticiasdiaxdia.com.ar/data/img_cont/img_imagenes/img_gr/1932.jpg

http://elperiodistaonline.cl/locales/files/2010/07/karla-rubilar.jpg

http://www.babeldigital.com.ar/data/img_cont/img_imagenes/img_gr/1288_imagen_unica.jpg

http://elecciones2009.lanacion.cl/fotos/candidatos/tucapel_jimenez_fuentes.jpg

[mikeyup]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GVg8Shr9ypg/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAACw/KL_8acaDqxk/photo.jpg




This ones look "suspicious".

http://www.noticiasdiaxdia.com.ar/data/img_cont/img_imagenes/img_gr/1932.jpg

http://elperiodistaonline.cl/locales/files/2010/07/karla-rubilar.jpg

http://www.babeldigital.com.ar/data/img_cont/img_imagenes/img_gr/1288_imagen_unica.jpg

http://elecciones2009.lanacion.cl/fotos/candidatos/tucapel_jimenez_fuentes.jpg


still very small amerindian in such a big group

[Tooting Carmen]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GVg8Shr9ypg/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAACw/KL_8acaDqxk/photo.jpg




This ones look "suspicious".

http://www.noticiasdiaxdia.com.ar/data/img_cont/img_imagenes/img_gr/1932.jpg

http://elperiodistaonline.cl/locales/files/2010/07/karla-rubilar.jpg

http://www.babeldigital.com.ar/data/img_cont/img_imagenes/img_gr/1288_imagen_unica.jpg

http://elecciones2009.lanacion.cl/fotos/candidatos/tucapel_jimenez_fuentes.jpg

The last one's name is Tucapel, so not surprising. But for goodness sake, there are bound to be some Mestizos here and there. Public life in Chile and Argentina is not entirely immune from its surroundings, after all.

[Argentano]

This ones look "suspicious".

http://www.noticiasdiaxdia.com.ar/data/img_cont/img_imagenes/img_gr/1932.jpg



i cant see the amerind in claudio lozano

http://bairesparatodos.com/wp-content/uploads/14318.jpg

[Smaug]

Given that most White Brazilians are of Portuguese, Spanish and/or Italian descent, I really doubt it.

There are more Italian-Argentinians with southern roots than Italian-Brazilians, who are mostly of Northern stock, specially Venetian. Our Portuguese and Spaniards are also mostly from Northern Portugal and Galicia, who are lighter than the rest of Iberians. In addition, we've got bigger Germamic and Slavic communities here. Compare them to these White Brazilians from my threads:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69385-Immigration-to-Brazil

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?104228-Italian-Brazilians

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?101722-State-of-S%E3o-Paulo-SE-Brazil

The average White Brazilian is a German-Italian-Portuguese mix, sometimes with Dutch, Spanish or Eastern European elements.

[Brighton]

Meds, Alpines and Atlantids. Of course some seem mixed. They seem more "Med" than the average White Brazilian.
I doubt that my dear friend..

[Armand_Duval]

still very small amerindian in such a big group

Agree, that's why I only said "suspicious", but the first lady of the quoted ones.


i cant see the amerind in claudio lozano

http://bairesparatodos.com/wp-content/uploads/14318.jpg

Perhaps It was the initial picture, besides it is not rare to mistake some rough cromagnid traits with some amerind subtypes and the other way around too.

[Brighton]

The last one's surname is Tucapel, so not surprising. But for goodness sake, there are bound to be some Mestizos here and there. Public life in Chile and Argentina is not entirely immune from its surroundings, after all.
That's his name, not surname :P His surname is Jiménez: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucapel_Jim%C3%A9nez_Fuentes

[Argentano]

The last one's name is Tucapel, so not surprising. But for goodness sake, there are bound to be some Mestizos here and there. Public life in Chile and Argentina is not entirely immune from its surroundings, after all.

yeah i think argenitne example is representative of the middle class :thumb001:

[GrebluBro]

90% Argentine MPs are White..80% for Chile

[Lemonhead]

All the Argentines look Criollo, there are like 3 Castizos and Mestizos in Santiago, but overall very similar. Is the Buenos Aires sample more representative than the Santiago sample of their respective general populations?

[Tooting Carmen]

Is the Buenos Aires sample more representative than the Santiago sample of their respective general populations?

From my experience of having visited both cities and, moreover, having met many Chileans and Argentines in Britain, I'd say so.

[Brighton]

All the Argentines look Criollo, there are like 3 Castizos and Mestizos in Santiago, but overall very similar. Is the Buenos Aires sample more representative than the Santiago sample of their respective general populations?
Yeah it is.

In Santiago there's more variation in phenotype among social classes than in Buenos Aires -and than in most Latin American capitals, to be honest.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yeah it is.

In Santiago there's more variation in phenotype among social classes than in Buenos Aires.

But why is this? How has Chile ended up so much more divided in this respect than has Argentina? After all, Mexico and Colombia both have plenty of dark Mestizos in public life and among the professional middle classes (see my other thread), so why not Chile?

[Brighton]

But why is this? How has Chile ended up so much more divided in this respect than has Argentina? After all, Mexico and Colombia both have plenty of dark Mestizos in public life and among the professional middle classes (see my other thread), so why not Chile?
Well, I don't know if Chile itself but more likely Santiago..

This capital is geographically very divided.. more wealthy people living in North-East Santiago, the middle classes in Central, South-East and South-West Santiago, and the working class in North, West and South Santiago. This means people don't tend to mix that much and therefore colonial relations are maybe prolonged for more time (I'm only guessing, I'm not an expert)..

Also, Argentina has a substantial White population which means there is a lot of working-class White people..

On the other hand, Mexico and Colombia didn't receive the German/British immigration Chile did and therefore its "Iberian elite" (even "Lebanese elite" in the case of some parts of Mexico City) doesn't stick out as much as the Chilean "Basque-British-German" elite (Only guessing again ???)

I don't think.. does it seem like a good explanations?? it's the only thing that occurs to me at this moment haha

[Tooting Carmen]

Well, I don't know if Chile itself but more likely Santiago..

This capital is geographically very divided.. more wealthy people living in North-East Santiago, the middle classes in Central, South-East and South-West Santiago, and the working class in North, West and South Santiago. This means people don't tend to mix that much and therefore colonial relations are maybe prolonged for more time (I'm only guessing, I'm not an expert)..

Also, Argentina has a substantial White population which means there is a lot of working-class White people..

On the other hand, Mexico and Colombia didn't receive the German/British immigration Chile did and therefore its "Iberian elite" (even "Lebanese elite" in the case of some parts of Mexico City) doesn't stick out as much as the Chilean "Basque-British-German" elite (Only guessing again ???)

I don't think.. does it seem like a good explanations?? it's the only thing that occurs to me at this moment haha

Actually, those seem like good explanations to me, even if they may only be part of the story.

[Brighton]

Actually, those seem like good explanations to me, even if they may only be part of the story.
Haha thanks

I'm going to be now

Peace out!

[Sikeliot]

They look the same.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

10. Atlanto-CM
11. Dinarid-Med
12. Dinarid with Alpine influence
13. Dinarid-Med
14. Nordid-CM
15. Med with Alpine influence
16. Dinized-Med
17. Alpinid-Atlanto
18. Mainly Berid
19. men: Alpinid

Santiago:
1. Atlanto-CM
2. Baskid-Alpine
3. chick: Mainly Gracile Med, Castiza
4. Mainly Alpinid
5.Atlantid with Baskid influence
6.Atlantid

the others, also mostly
Meds, Alpinids and Atlantids types. with some seem a bit mixed, Castizos.

[Kalimtari]

Italia&Iberia for the most

[Tooting Carmen]

Italia&Iberia for the most

Yes.

[Kalimtari]

Yes.

strongest overall influences in Argentine

[Brighton]

strongest overall influences in Argentine
What about Chileans? :P

[Argentano]

They look the same.

wich ones of the argies look typical south italian?

[Brighton]

They look the same.
Where do you think they'd be more common? (for both countries)

[Sikeliot]

wich ones of the argies look typical south italian?

Many could pass but as a group they don't look like a group of southern Italians. Too much northern Italian, and Iberian influence as a whole.

[brazuca]

the majority of Italian immigrants in Argentine are Southerners.

[Brighton]

Many could pass but as a group they don't look like a group of southern Italians. Too much northern Italian, and Iberian influence as a whole.

Thanks for answering to me..

[Tooting Carmen]

bump

[Antimage]

Irish-argentine?

http://cdn01.ib.infobae.com/adjuntos/162/imagenes/010/251/0010251881.jpg

[Argentano]

Irish-argentine?

http://cdn01.ib.infobae.com/adjuntos/162/imagenes/010/251/0010251881.jpg

thats Juan Cabandie....he is the son of rebels that were killed during the militar government..

i think the surname is french

[Enflamme]

Many Europid in this group.

[aherne]

Mainly European Med + Alpine (some of them looking Iberian, some more ambigous) coupled with Amerindian influence visible in a few. Chilean sample, in particular, is not very representative for overall population who is genetically almost balanced mestizos...

[Odin]

Mostly Meds, Alpines and Atlantids in Buenos Aires and Castizos, Harnizos and Mestizos in Santiago. So Buenos Aires is whiter than Santiago.